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Getting Flynn at right price as important as getting him

The question today is apparently not whether the Dolphins will try to sign Matt Flynn. It seems if the team gets a chance to sign the Green Bay free agent backup quarterback, that is exactly what will happen.

No, the question I believe more important is not whether the Dolphins will try to sign Flynn but how they'll try to sign Flynn. It's a completely different issue and definitely as important an issue.

Flynn, according to a reliable source, will be in town sometime late tonight. He'll be here, assuming he doesn't get blown away by the Seattle Seahawks and simply jumps at the opportunity. But once he arrives, then what?

What to do with Flynn?

Do the Dolphins commit to Flynn as their starter or do they commit to him as, ahem, a quarterback who will come to camp and compete with Matt Moore for the starting job. In other words, do the Dolphins commit starting quarterback money or do they commit the kind of money a player who has a chance to start but isn't certain of that typically gets?

If the Dolphins are committing to Flynn as their starter, they may have to spend between $7-$9 million per season. The deal would probably extend past two years and there would be a chunky bag of guaranteed money included.

The lesser commitment is obviously cheaper -- probably $4-$5 million per year with incentive clauses that would hike the deal's worth if Flynn wins the starting job, thus deserving more money. This kind of deal protects the team if he fails.

Me?

Flynn is worth one but definitely not the other. He is a value if signing a deal that protects the team in case he's more A.J. Feeley than Drew Brees. He still gets paid if he becomes a star. But he has to earn his money rather than getting it the minute he walks in the locker room.

Makes sense, right?

The problem is Flynn wants to maximize his earning. He will want the biggest deal he can get, certainly his agent will want that. And because he's got two quarterback-hungry teams talking to him, he might be able to leverage one versus the other to get what he wants.

(Personally, I don't see the Seahawks letting themselves be held up. They paid Travaris Jackson a two-year deal worth $8 million last season. I assume if they offer Flynn, it'll be a similar deal and ask him to fight for the starting job. I say this because you must remember Flynn was not Seattle's top QB choice this offseason. They actually scheduled Chad Henne to come to town before Flynn. Henne never made it because he signed with Jacksonville.)

Well, the Dolphins can similarly make the case that Flynn is not their top choice. At least I hope they make that case. Everyone knows they wanted Peyton Manning. And I assume they aren't going to use the money on Flynn that they would have used on Manning.

At least I hope not because that's just dumb.

I guess what I'm asking is for the Dolphins to hold their desperation in check. Getting Flynn simply isn't like getting Manning. We don't even know if he's any good.

With Flynn it's not just about getting him to come. As a relatively unproven player, he has to come at the right price -- for the team.

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Looks like our last SB win 40 years ago is closer then our next one! YIKES!

Some of you guys need to get some tail. Saturday night and all you do is hang out on a blog and whine.

So true!

I would of felt better going into this year with the same coaching staff with Henne battling Moore!

Sad as that may be!

Ross needs to sell the team. He has run it into the ground in short order. Keeping Ireland is insanity. No one with a choice wants to work for the Dullfins.

Mario Mamningham signs with 49ers already.

"According to the Miami Herald, the Dolphins are hoping free agent Matt Flynn can be signed to a "modest contract."
This lines up with Yahoo's Friday report that Miami was "low-balling" its only real Peyton Manning fallback option. If modesty becomes the theme of Flynn's weekend visit to South Beach, he could be taking his talents to the Pacific Northwest come Monday."

This is the SAME team that chased Peyton Manning & would have had to cough up $20 Million a year for a 36 year old coming off of surgery right???? I've been a Dolphin fan my whole life BUT I just don't how much more I can take.....If the last ten years hasn't been bad enough Ross appears to have taken this franchise back to the lows that we experienced when we went 1-15 with Cameron & Mueller.

This franchise is just grossly mismanaged The Patriots have the cap room to sign Brandon Lloyd & they've been to the SB 5 times in the last 10 seasons & won 3 of them. How can we continue to be so bad & not have MORE cap space??? I don't get it!!! If Flynn signs somewhere else then I'll come back to the Dolphins after Ross sells or or dies.

Manningham is one 1 of the 4 WRs Henne put in the NFL:
Manningham, Steve Breaston, Jason Avant, Braylon Edwards

How can anyone defend Ross and Ireland is beyond me. I'm pretty sure Philbin by now may be second guessing the decision to come here, yes there are only 32 of these jobs out there but few places like Miami can make sure you never get a head coaching gig ever again.

Wonder why our cap room is so messed up? You do not have to look too far back in the past. This year alone is a perfect microcosm of the true cancer eating this organization from within. The Chiefs, signed Eric Winston -who was all but begging the Phins to sign him- for 4 years $22 million. The KCFkenChiefs. OT is one of the hardest positions to fill via draft and it is rare that a team let a talent like him go, he is 28, still relatively young, a former Cane and would have represented a nice insurance and depth in the line if we could not sign Long next year. Who do we sign instead? Richard Marshall, $16 million, 3 years.

Marshall is a nice player but his talent level is far easier to address via draft than a lineman, in fact there are rumors we could get Riley Reiff to play the position using or 1st rd pick at 8th. It makes zero sense. In fact there are many things that make little sense in Miami. Dansby, Fasano? Please, in fact I'm not even talking trade here you could just release them and we would have been in better shape.

Yes I agree we are the new Detroit Lions, and unfortunately it begins with the owner. Being optimistic we could be a perennial loser team but it could get worse as I can see this POS selling the team elsewhere.

Draft Picks,

I will say this. If, and I know it's a big if, but if Philbin has told these guys Flynn is the qb he thinks can run his offense and they're trying to pinch every penny they can....well, I think you already know.

The whole premise of this article, and line of thought, is flawed.

Saying "don't overpay" implies there are multiple choices of equal value and you have access to all of them.
That is correct when you are buying a commodity like corn or gold or oil.

It is completely untrue in the NFL.

Either you have a QB or you don't.

I have never ever ever heard an announcer, coach, owner or anyone else say, "...he's a great QB and he elevates us to the next level but we're paying to much for him...".

We had only two players on our entire roster that could be consider Nfl superstars. Jake Long/Brandon Marshall. We traded one for 2 3rd rd draft picks.

At least Nfl dc's had to game plan for Marshall. Who will they game plan for now, Jake Long? Last I checked Jake Long hasnt Blocked a kicked, forced a fumble, recorded a sack/safety, caught a pass, nor scored a single point.

Oh yeah, I posted about Jake Long has to be resigned next year and Dansby probably becomes a cap casualty. I forgot all about Reggie Bush.

Bush only had a two year contract. This is the last year. So if Bush has a great season and we still suck. Say bye-bye to Reggie Bush in 2013 free agency. I highly doubt he sticks around in this mess that's Ireland/Ross. Would you?

Alex Smith >>>>> Matt Flynn

Jake Long may not want anymore of the Ross/Ireland mess and bolts in 2013 free agency too. If "ALL" of these things happen. The Nfl and Rodger need to seriously look into taking this franchise the way MLB did with the Dodgers.

MLB took the Dodgers from thier owner due to "gross inconpetency". That's now happening in Miami as we speak.

@We Have Draft Picks

Yeah, I don't get that either. How can they chase Peyton for 20 milly a year but low ball Flynn for chump change. What I really get is signing Moore based on the market value. What I don't get is everyone thinks he's a future HOF'er.

If he is a future HOF'er, then why is everyone low balling him?

What would have happened if Peyton signed with Miami? Peyton does not work for Flynn money. What were they gonna do? Sign Peyton and cut Dansby, Vontae and Long to pay Peyton?

I don't think they were ever serious in signing Peyton to begin with. Just like they are not serious in signing Flynn or anyone. I just wonder why that is.

How is this team so bad and so strapped in cap at the same time?

PS...signing Flynn based on market value.

B33,
You make a good point!
If SF signs Manning, Smith will be available.
Personallly I think Smith and Moore are the same player.
Some QB's can, in one moment, inagine that the wr will make a play and they'll pass the ball into coverage (Brees, Roethlisberger, Eli, Henne).
Other QB's, in one moment, imagine that the pass will be int'd and so they don't throw it (Smith, Moore, Bradford, Freeman, Ryan, Rivers, Brady).

Bottome line: whatever team signs Peyton, with the exception of Denver, will have to release a QB.

If Flynn signs here we're screwed.
If Flynn does't sign here we are even more screwed.
Why?
1. Matt Moore
2. J'ville picks in front of us, they don't need a QB, and they can trade the Tannehill pick to someone else or us.
Even worse:
Cleveland takes Tanneheill and J'ville trades the 7th pick to a team that takes the 4th best QB.
That means we can take the 5th best at 8 or go to camp with Moore, Devlin and an acorn.

This makes me sad. Ive never seen miami past the divisinials and im thinking im gonna have to wait till my 2 year old son is a teen to see miami succesful.bengals got.green and dalton we are near the same spots and I feel we are gonna get screwed. I just want miami to win.

We got a '12 & '13 for Marshall.
Let's see if we can get the same for Dansby.

At this point we'd better pray for Flynn.

All FA's they are signing are not impact Players, I guess saving the $ for Flynn. If we don't sign Flynn, all the good FAs will be gone. Hard to figure out sometimes how this People work.

This is seemingly the same story we've seen over many years here in Miami (and we all know the way that story ends..in failure).

However, we must remember there's a huge difference this time. Philbin brings a totally different offense then has been here in the past. We've never had a WC offense in Miami. I believe Philbin wants that style of offense, and can teach and implement it.

The question will become is Ireland as successful in acquiring the talent to make the system elite as Green Bay's GM was. And, will Philbin be able, as HC, to get his team to respond and his desires met (since HC is a management-job more so than a Coordinator or position Coach. Sparano proved there's more to being a good HC than being a good position Coach).

So, Philbin brings the right idea. An explosive, passing offense with a defense having a better secondary and more pressure on the QB.

Yes, this could be Cam Cameron 2, but people seem to forget, the run game was a HUGE part of Cameron's game plan. That and he didn't get any buy-in from the team (nor knew how to motivate them).

I see players having more respect for Philbin. This is a younger team (who you'd think are tired of losing). I see them seeing this Coach from an elite team (recently SB Champs) having more of an understanding how to get to the top, and wanting to learn his system on how to do that.

This might also show Ireland differently too. Maybe he was too hamstrung by the Parcells approach to drafting. Maybe now with a different goal he'll show he really is a good evaluator of talent.

This is just putting everything in the best light (towards the Dolphins). Hopefully this is the plan and it is successful. If not, we'll be watching the same old dance, old FO excused, new FO comes in promising the gold at the end of the rainbow.

You sure Dont'a Hightower has declared for the Draft? If he's there, nab him.

Flynn nit done deal espn reporting qb smith in town to meet with the brass

So now the question poses smith or flynn

This may sound like paranoia BUT, has anyone considered that Ross/Ireland maybe making these dumb moves purposely. For instance signing what really amounts to backups in FA, while good players go elsewhere for almost the same money (Winston/Marshall),
trading away your best WR (problem child not withstanding), and the list goes on. If you think about it, if Ross can prove to the league office that he is losing massive amounts of money and the fan support isn't there anymore he could move the team. I read a post a few months ago about this same thing and said... no way. But now I'm not so sure. It could explain alot. I hope I'm wrong.

Alex Smith in town this morning to visit the Dolphins...I told you guys one of the reasons Miami hasn't signed Flynn yet is because maybe they might wait and see what happens with Tebow or Smith, depending on where Manning is going. Armando, get out of bed and turn on your blackberry...LOL!!

Man, what a way for Ross to get back at Harbaugh...Make Smith an offer he can't resist and Manning ends up in Denver or Tennessee...Suddently, the 49ers have no QBs...LOL!

DC, Nice post. could not agree more..My fingers are crossed and my hopes are level. We will see in the coming weeks where we are headed.

Montreal,
where did you read this? Regarding Smith.

Europe, ESPN.com...

Thanks Montreal

Interesting, I wonder if Miami is having second thoughts that they can land Flynn? Or just looking at all options.

NFL.com also reporting it now...

Europe, Philbin knows Flynn better than anyone...He's still NOT a Dolphin and the team is looking at other options (Smith)...That tells you everything you need to know...They still might sign him but they won't give him starter money...He'll have to beat out Matt Moore...

matt moore is better than alex smith. ireland is busy looking for acorns.

SMF, I have NO problem going to camp with Moore. Why? we know more about him than the other options. Starting the season with Moore (as long as we have a QB to groom)I have know problems with at all. At this point it would not matter if Brady were our QB, we have NO weapons. And i would love to see Moore with a better equiped "O".

we have no cap space and no weapons; we were busy signing cowboy rejects.

Europe, I feel the same way. I love Matt Moore. I have no problem drafting a QB or even signing one. But make it an honest battle, not one like last year when our dumb dumb coach named Henne the starter right off the bat. Whoever comes in has to beat out Matt Moore.

Agree.

"The Dolphins did not have the cap space to afford Winston, considered the premier right tackle available."

"The Dolphins called about Mario Manningham but did not have the cap space to pursue him aggressively."

Love how a couple of the blowhards on here took me to task the other day for criticizing Ireland's cap management. Apparently, in their opinion, I shouldn't have been concerned because: A. It's not my money and B. cap space isn't really important.

That's pretty funny. I would argue that it is absolutely relevant that Ireland's incompetence at being a GM, which includes managing your available cap space, have totally fvcked the team this year. You can't shop for filet mignon on a ground beef budget you nitwits. We don't have roster filled with stars to have had such little available cap space. Ireland should have been making moves and deals months ago to ensure we were going to have cap space to make some meaningful deals in FA. He is a one trick pony and appears to only be able to focus on one thing at a time while the world passes him by.

How much are we under the cap now? We still have to sign the Rookies and any of those high-profile ones might cost a bundle. Trade down from 8th?

Oscar, about 5 million...

I have a feeling some of our players will be asked to restructure...And some will get cut...

Uff..

well what does everyone think of alex smith coming in today?

Montreal @9:29
Been thinking the same thing. It is the only options they have. And yes, I too have been wondering who will be cut or traded away for peanuts.

The man is a mediocre to fair QB, dusty. Everyone knows that.

BREAKING NEWS! Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald has been kidnapped by the staff of the Sun-Sentinal. He has not reported anything new on the Miami Dolphins in two days.

Doesn't Armando know Smith is meeting with Miami today?
Flynn's got to be pissed.

I always thought that Dansby's and Marshall's contracts, specially Dansby's, were inordinately stiff. But, heck, they are excellent Players. In all fairness to me, I didn't know cap values were proactive and only counted for the year in progress.

Smith had a heck of a year last year...Was it a fluke or was it finally living up to first overall pick expectations? The Dolphins must think his best years are really coming up if they're bringing him in for a visit...

dmooreiii

Really good post @9:24
Couldn't agree more.

Bringing in Smith only means we get Flynn cheaper

Broder!, are we in deep shiit.

It was no fluke, #1. It was Harbaugh's system. Alex said it himself.

yeah its def a ploy to get flynn to sign for less. but pathetic watching winston barely get more money then we gave a cornerback

or it's a signal that they really don't think Flynn is the quarterback who can get this team more wins.

smith isnt happy with niners. they offered hima 3 year 24 mill deal. but hes talking of firing his agent condon now also

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