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Getting Flynn at right price as important as getting him

The question today is apparently not whether the Dolphins will try to sign Matt Flynn. It seems if the team gets a chance to sign the Green Bay free agent backup quarterback, that is exactly what will happen.

No, the question I believe more important is not whether the Dolphins will try to sign Flynn but how they'll try to sign Flynn. It's a completely different issue and definitely as important an issue.

Flynn, according to a reliable source, will be in town sometime late tonight. He'll be here, assuming he doesn't get blown away by the Seattle Seahawks and simply jumps at the opportunity. But once he arrives, then what?

What to do with Flynn?

Do the Dolphins commit to Flynn as their starter or do they commit to him as, ahem, a quarterback who will come to camp and compete with Matt Moore for the starting job. In other words, do the Dolphins commit starting quarterback money or do they commit the kind of money a player who has a chance to start but isn't certain of that typically gets?

If the Dolphins are committing to Flynn as their starter, they may have to spend between $7-$9 million per season. The deal would probably extend past two years and there would be a chunky bag of guaranteed money included.

The lesser commitment is obviously cheaper -- probably $4-$5 million per year with incentive clauses that would hike the deal's worth if Flynn wins the starting job, thus deserving more money. This kind of deal protects the team if he fails.


Flynn is worth one but definitely not the other. He is a value if signing a deal that protects the team in case he's more A.J. Feeley than Drew Brees. He still gets paid if he becomes a star. But he has to earn his money rather than getting it the minute he walks in the locker room.

Makes sense, right?

The problem is Flynn wants to maximize his earning. He will want the biggest deal he can get, certainly his agent will want that. And because he's got two quarterback-hungry teams talking to him, he might be able to leverage one versus the other to get what he wants.

(Personally, I don't see the Seahawks letting themselves be held up. They paid Travaris Jackson a two-year deal worth $8 million last season. I assume if they offer Flynn, it'll be a similar deal and ask him to fight for the starting job. I say this because you must remember Flynn was not Seattle's top QB choice this offseason. They actually scheduled Chad Henne to come to town before Flynn. Henne never made it because he signed with Jacksonville.)

Well, the Dolphins can similarly make the case that Flynn is not their top choice. At least I hope they make that case. Everyone knows they wanted Peyton Manning. And I assume they aren't going to use the money on Flynn that they would have used on Manning.

At least I hope not because that's just dumb.

I guess what I'm asking is for the Dolphins to hold their desperation in check. Getting Flynn simply isn't like getting Manning. We don't even know if he's any good.

With Flynn it's not just about getting him to come. As a relatively unproven player, he has to come at the right price -- for the team.

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smith had great numbers with a wr corps as bad as ours, other than v.davis

I think both of these guys have played in a "WC" offense. Take the cheaper one.

The only thing I know is Smith went toe to toe against Eli last year and that game could of went either way. That was impressive.

Miami is now looking at Alex Smith and if the Dolphins sign Alex Smith I'm done with them.Flynn at least has an up side,albeit unproven over any length of time, Alex Smith and Flynn haven't shown what Matt Moore has so I agree that Matt Flynn for the right price is the way to go.


If you recall what i posted about the Ross/harbaugh connection that is now coming to root.

If Peyton signs with the 49ers, where will Smith and Flynn sign_______?

With THE SCOUT in charge most likely Flynn and Smith will end up somewhere else as he occupies the GMs office trying to figure it out.

Deputy Doggy Ross may finally see how worthless Ireland really is.

yeah im guessing its flynn. neither one is gonna get the fan base excited. ross has struckout again. gonna be ugly in that stadium this year

True about Winston, dusty. But who can understand the designs of the Lord? I know I don't.

see ya brent, go be a jets fan

PS; Also, regardless WHO our QB may be, Moore, Flynn, Smith, whoever... Who does he have to throw to? Marshall GONE.

Hence is exactly why I been pumping up WR Justin Blackmon.

Also, someone on here (I don't recall who and i never read that) posted that Philbin doesn't want an Alpha receiver which is why they traded Marshall.

So if it's a WC O, who is the WR that will get those chunk yards? The TE, RB?

Ireland made Armando, me, many others look bad last year when we were whining about his picking little known Players in the Draft, and it turned out pretty good for him. We'll see.

need alot more than blackmon, dont trade up

Ireland made Armando, me, many others look bad last year when we were whining about his picking little known Players in the Draft, and it turned out pretty good for him. We'll see.

Posted by: oscar canosa | March 18, 2012 at 09:58 AM

Oscar, you need to see a psychologist. lol

What teams rejects will we clamour over next??

So is it it doesent matter what wr you have, if you dont have a qb to throw to them, or it doesent matter what qb you have if you dont have a wr to throw to? In miamis case they have neither!

either way fellas relax, we are in rebuilding mode. will take a couple years

I only wish(Blackmon), NY. But you know, up there, the Lord... BTW, the not wanting an alpha receiver is the biggest load of crap I've heard as of late.

This may sound like paranoia BUT, has anyone considered that Ross/Ireland maybe making these dumb moves purposely. .
Posted by: PA finfan | March 18, 2012 at 08:31 AM


The Dolphin FO doesnt need to try to be dumb. It just comes naturally.

And exactly who in the list below made THE SCOUT Ireland look pretty good?

1st: Mike Pouncey (C) Florida

2nd: Daniel Thomas (RB) Kansas St

4th: Edmond Gates (WR) Ab Christian

6th: Charles Clay (FB) Tulsa

7th: Frank Kearse (DT) Alabama A&M

7th: Jimmy Wilson (DB) Montana

winston was the prize they let get away

Garbage, the Colts cut Peyton Manning. I guess he's garbage...

The biggest complication in all this Game is Peyton Manning not making up his mind on where the fukk he's going to play.

Pouncey, Thomas, Clay, Wilson. You'll see.

I only wish(Blackmon), NY. But you know, up there, the Lord... BTW, the not wanting an alpha receiver is the biggest load of crap I've heard as of late.

Posted by: oscar canosa | March 18, 2012 at 10:03 AM


I never read or heard that also OC so I'm with you.


Squandering 3 picks on a 3rd string RB was brilliance.

oscar you delusional homer you

We are so screwed.

Alex Smith is a bum and only became decent because of Harbough...

Moore is a joke too.

Don't buy season tickets.


NY"G", with all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't judge rookies after one year. If that would be the case, Soliai would of been cut. You have to be patient. It's a hell of a jump from college to the pros. Pouncey was awesome, Thomas was bothered by injuries, Clay made some plays and so did Wilson. For 6th and 7th round picks, they have great value...Later guys!

...Smith may just be forcing SF's hand here..I would be suprised if he ended up here in Miami...Now I'm going to bet that Schefter, and whoever not named Jay Glazer will make a huge deal of this(more then neccessary) and it will get the wheels turning for a lot of the fans base..I have to believe that Flynn is going to be the free agent the team signs..We will see.

Also...Alex Smith had a fine year last season. He was definitley a big part of the reason the Niners had success..The biggest reason IMO was lack of turnovers. The second reason is that Smith wasn't asked to do much at all..I think he only threw 17 TD's...Smith has yet to prove that he can be a quarterback counted on to throw it 35 plus times a game..Harbaugh is a smart guy. He hid Smith from himself for the most part..It was a slow process culminating in that amazing game V. NO..

Everyone will remember that game, or look to it as this is the guy we are getting?? IMO, for the reasons I agrue for Flynn. The system in San Francisco was perfect for Smith. I really have my doubts that he can be much better or more efficient then he was last year, in a system perfect for him...

For the Phins, I don't think it matters. As I said, I believe Smith is just giving the Niners a dose of their own medicine. Or the team believes in Colin Kapernick to lead them this year????????? Nope.

The Dolphins should hire Mayock or Kiper to do their draft. Ireland is just terrible at the draft. And the cap.

Get Welker, give up your number one plain and simple, they have Lloyd and Gonzalez. Welker fits in WCO

..Chew on this...The Niners led the league in field goals last year. Smith wasn't efficient in the redzone, any more then the quarterbacks we had here. Now all of this wasn't totaly his fault.. The Niners were the ultimate run first team, and because the defense was so dominant the team could afford to be conservative.

But put Smith behind center for this team last year(You could say the same for Flynn) and both players would not be sought after..System is everything for quarterbacks that are deficient in certain areas..I don't know why people fight against Flynn for this simple reason. If you take Alex smith out of his comfort zone. I think you get closer to Chad Henne, and farther away from a contender..Same with Flynn. The bonus is that this team is going to play within Flynns comfort zone..Imo this gives the team our best opportunity.

Erom the PBP
the run-up to that catastrophic 2007 Dolphins season, otherwise known as Camageddon.

That time around Cam Cameron was the rookie NFL head coach. Like Philbin, he previously gained accolades as the creative coordinator of a dynamite offensive unit, only at San Diego instead of Green Bay.

The Dolphins were coming off a 6-10 season, just like now.

Trent Green, who once worked with Cameron in Washington, was the trusted veteran imported to run the new Miami offense, in the same way that Philbin is trusting Flynn now.

What's more, the Dolphins traded away their top receiver, Wes Welker, for a couple of draft picks in March of 2007. Not exactly the same as the brushoff just given to Brandon Marshall, but too close for comfort.

Do you remember how Cameron and former general manager Randy Mueller sought to fill that need? They drafted Ted Ginn Jr., with the ninth pick in the first round. This year Miami is picking eighth, another potential plus stalked by foreboding.

If all of this falls short of an actual curse on Philbin in 2012, it at least serves as a caution.

Heres how it will play out. With smith talking to the dolphins that just tells flynn this is bullsh#t, im signing with seattle. Then manning signs with den or tenn, and smith re signs with san fran and miami takea it in the a## again and yes the sign their 36 year old qb and his name is hasselbeck! There you have it folks!

I think the Smith visit is a play on both sides. He wants SF to reel him back, and Miami wants to keep Flynn's cost down. In the end, this isn't a serious attempt. Flynn should at least allow Sherman time to teach the system to everyone else. But I'd prefer they draft a QB (if they're about doing this right) to develop if (or when) Flynn reaches his ceiling.

Anthony is absolutely right. History could be repeating itself. I hope that doesn't happen, but if it does I hope they now understand what they need to do with the next #1 pick in the Draft.

I'm interested in how either Flynn or Smith would work out.......still leaning toward Flynn though....they are both question marks.......oh man, life as a fan of an NFL team, lol

Dc...I disagree. I think if Flynn is going to be the guy. Quit fussing around and get him signed. I do not think for one second that Alex Smith is a real option(Watch the team offer him a contract later today..In my face!!!) If Flynn is the answer for now..Go get it done. I'm not sure what leverage the team gains by waiting??

Guys, we will be flying another FIRE IRELAND banner over the stadium for the home opener. We already have the funds to pay for that one but if you want to be added to the wait list for the following flyover go to Finsnation.com, Thanks.

Miami gets no qb period. Flynn to seattle, smith back to san fran. But they can have hasselbeck. Bottom line!

Alex Smith is a game manager and with a great team around him can take his team to the conference championship, ala Mark Sanchez. Flynn may suck or he may be good. I'll take the unknown over the known in this case.

DD, Flynn's not going anywhere. He wants to play here. He fits this system, his dad said he can run it in his sleep. But he's not Peyton. He doesn't deserve the "respect" to wait around. Ireland's job is to keep looking for options until one of them is chosen. Also, they're IN negotiations as we speak. Just working on the terms. So Smith might be working out as the final touches are being put on the Flynn signing. Both of these things can happen simultaneously.

What is disturbing, its one thing that Peyton didn't want us. But when Harbaugh Fisher Peyton turn you down in the face of big $, and then 7th round Flynn has to think it over when his own coach is here, that tells you how far this team has fallen. The luster of the Fins organization has faded completely away.

That's what losing does. That's what not fixing problems (QB, overall philosophy, right HC, right GM, etc.) over a long period of time results in. We'll see if this FO has the right plan and can execute it.


Alex Smith would be a huge move. Way better than Flynn.

Matt Flynn and Alex Smith = other teams rejects.

Fins, the art of going nowhere fast.

7th round Flynn has to choose between the Seahawks and the Fins where he has his ex coach here and he has to think about it??? They must have really low balled him, and if he is not worth more than a lowball offer, why waste time with him?

WTF are they doing?

armando is asleep at the wheel. oh, i know, he's busy trying to dig deep to find out what's going on.

911, this team is in serious trouble. Some of you see Philbin as the guy to turn it around. I see a team with few stars, lowballing good players Winston, and marginal players Flynn, and with their few players worth keeping, Bush and Long in their last year maybe not so eager to resign with this org that can only trip over its own feet. I see Belichek eyeing Bush in 2013. That will be scary.


Must be willing to play for peanuts. Contact the Miami Dolphins.

This is even worse than International Politics.

HoHo, WTF!

I've heard Alex Smith is also in town and tell you what if he signs instead of Flynn those idiots in the front office need to go take a hype. Ross and Ireland are sending this once proud franchise to the grave.
They must at least sign Flynn.
If he is good then great, if not we can draft a Top QB in 2013.

Go Phins, don't mess this up Ireland and Ross you dumb twits.

Jeff “classless moron” Ireland. 6-10 in 4th year. NUFF SAID!

Start of the Parcellian era continues to haunt us.

1. Ernest Wilford-- Huge cap bust

2. Matt Ryan-- Long? We didnt have a franchise qb to protect.

3. Grove-Smiley-- Cap busts

4. Gerbril Wilson-- Cap bust

5. Dansby-- Highest paid ilb in nfl history never to become a pro bowler. Huge cap hit.

6. Marshall-- Huge cap hit now jetisomed for less than what we paid. Would have been cheaper to draft Dez Bryant.

Now add this to doubling down in the draft, 2nd rb bust, and not drafting impact players in the 1st rd otuside of olinemen(Long/Pouncey). Vontae plays more like a 2nd rd'er and Sean Smith plays more like a 4th rd'er.

So here we are. This is the great job some here say the Parcellians have done. Yes, theyve done a great job. Too bad its a great job of making a total mess of things in Miami.

Meanwhile Armando keeps on being Lost.

New Blog up. Armando finally escapes his captors!

I'm guessing Irescum asked Flynn if his momma's a hooka...

Flynn has to know that he is looked at as an enigmatic QB .Yes he has done wonders when asked to play but on both occasions they where meaningless games. So a Franchise that is willing to give him the keys to the Ferrari will need some guarantees. Yeah we will give you the money but more importantly you will have a fair shot at running the show and if you prove worthy of running the show successfully not only do we up your current salary but we will give you bonuses that could make you a millionaire many times over. Flynn has to know that Philbin will give him the shot he deserves, he also has to know that he'll have an advantage over Moore or anybody else because Philbin will be running the same offense as GB (West Coast) so if he is good he'll be the QB for the Dolphins for many more seasons.

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