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Getting Flynn at right price as important as getting him

The question today is apparently not whether the Dolphins will try to sign Matt Flynn. It seems if the team gets a chance to sign the Green Bay free agent backup quarterback, that is exactly what will happen.

No, the question I believe more important is not whether the Dolphins will try to sign Flynn but how they'll try to sign Flynn. It's a completely different issue and definitely as important an issue.

Flynn, according to a reliable source, will be in town sometime late tonight. He'll be here, assuming he doesn't get blown away by the Seattle Seahawks and simply jumps at the opportunity. But once he arrives, then what?

What to do with Flynn?

Do the Dolphins commit to Flynn as their starter or do they commit to him as, ahem, a quarterback who will come to camp and compete with Matt Moore for the starting job. In other words, do the Dolphins commit starting quarterback money or do they commit the kind of money a player who has a chance to start but isn't certain of that typically gets?

If the Dolphins are committing to Flynn as their starter, they may have to spend between $7-$9 million per season. The deal would probably extend past two years and there would be a chunky bag of guaranteed money included.

The lesser commitment is obviously cheaper -- probably $4-$5 million per year with incentive clauses that would hike the deal's worth if Flynn wins the starting job, thus deserving more money. This kind of deal protects the team if he fails.

Me?

Flynn is worth one but definitely not the other. He is a value if signing a deal that protects the team in case he's more A.J. Feeley than Drew Brees. He still gets paid if he becomes a star. But he has to earn his money rather than getting it the minute he walks in the locker room.

Makes sense, right?

The problem is Flynn wants to maximize his earning. He will want the biggest deal he can get, certainly his agent will want that. And because he's got two quarterback-hungry teams talking to him, he might be able to leverage one versus the other to get what he wants.

(Personally, I don't see the Seahawks letting themselves be held up. They paid Travaris Jackson a two-year deal worth $8 million last season. I assume if they offer Flynn, it'll be a similar deal and ask him to fight for the starting job. I say this because you must remember Flynn was not Seattle's top QB choice this offseason. They actually scheduled Chad Henne to come to town before Flynn. Henne never made it because he signed with Jacksonville.)

Well, the Dolphins can similarly make the case that Flynn is not their top choice. At least I hope they make that case. Everyone knows they wanted Peyton Manning. And I assume they aren't going to use the money on Flynn that they would have used on Manning.

At least I hope not because that's just dumb.

I guess what I'm asking is for the Dolphins to hold their desperation in check. Getting Flynn simply isn't like getting Manning. We don't even know if he's any good.

With Flynn it's not just about getting him to come. As a relatively unproven player, he has to come at the right price -- for the team.

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Yeah Andy that 4 mil cap space by dumping Bell could be put to better use by drafting a younger player moving Jones over to Bells spot; I mean we were like 15th against the pass can't get much worse by dumping him.

Miami should just say they are keeping moore as qb. That way they can say they have somebody they wanted.

Manning is going to Denver. Tebow must feel like crap, bring your team to the second round of the playoffs, only to be benched by a injured QB.

Tebow is not a qb. Tebow is not good.

Trying to clarify this...

So our FA prize QB needs to be cheap, and should compete with Moore, and maybe win the starting job.

Because we're not sure if he's really a bigtime starter or not. Philbin, the guy who coached him his entire career to date isn't sure.

Should I be celebrating our future success? Confident in our superbowl aspirations? Applauding the FO for their free agency prowess?

Who else finds this highly disappointing?

NHFINSFAN, the difference is, every year Indy fans KNEW there was a high probability of them going all the way. We on the other hand have to hope and pray we make the Wildcard. Sorry, but with Manning our chances go waaay up. We are back to hope and prayer.

What I don't understand from the Dolphins is if you knew Manning wasn't coming (and don't kid yourself, they've had an inkling for a while now) and you are sold on Flynn, why take the CHANCE that Seattle impresses the Hell out of him and signs him. Why take the chance? Why does it take Flynn going on a plane to Seattle before you decide to offer him a contract? I don't get that style of managing. I'm the first guy on here to stick up for these guys but a move like that baffles me. Makes NO sense.
Posted by: Craig M | March 16, 2012 at 10:30 AM

It's simple really. Manning would sell tickets, Flynn won't. Dumb on the Dolphins part to risk it, no question. But, I think they knew, and it has been widely rumored, that Flynn WANTS to come to Miami because it's clearly his best fit & he would not sign anywhere until Miami made a move.

I expect Miami to offer Flynn a 4 or 5 year deal worth about 45 million with about 18 guaranteed. Based on his history in Philbins system, this isn't too much to pay for a guy who can come in & possibly be the franchise qb under this curretnt offensive system.

Flynn was ALWAYS the obvious way to go which is why Miami pursued Manning instead. Typical Dolphins mismanagement to pursue the wrong way of doing things.

Andy, Ireland was responsible for pat white, ignoring the qb position in a rich draft, andruining the reputation of dolphins management in his involvement in the harbaugh fiasco and des Bryant interview. He should be fired for that alone.z

I'm not even bringing up drafting a centre in round one when the average investment around the league is a 5th round pick for the position.

He's a pos and hurting the franchise to a infinite degree.

I am so glad Manning is out of the picture. Now when we loose, we have a fairly good reason. I do not expect this team to have any success while Ross is running the show and "Yes" man Ireland is his man.
This is a sad state of affairs for a storied franchise.
I sometimes wonder if Dan Marino was all a dream.
I just hope there are some good college QB prospects in 2013 draft. We are no better today, than we were last season. Not one bit better unless the defense wins the games for them.

Craig M, I answered ur question in the last blog. To long to repost here again.

Ireland has hurt the team more than any off the field issues Marshall had. Yet he leaves and Ireland stays.

Captain Obvious we don't have the cap space to offer Flynn that kind of deal.

Tim Tebow is a winner.I don't like his displays of kneeling and wasn't a fan of him when in college but the guy wins!
It would be intruguing to have him on Our roster.What if Tebow developed into a Steve Young type qb.Both are tough runners.Tim would be in a west coast system.like the one Young was in SF.

After Blackmon, who will be gone by our #8 pick there is:

Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
Height: 6-3. Weight: 220.

Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.

Hill may be there in the 2nd round but probably not...Floyd will go between 10-15.

Our #8 pick will be very interesting to watch, but most experts say we go DE to help Wake on the opposite side.

Dansby will restructure as needed, Bell cut or do the same. Free up 4-5 million which is what i would offer with a 8-10 million sign on.

trade down and pick up an extra pick is my thought.

Captain Obvious we don't have the cap space to offer Flynn that kind of deal.
Posted by: kyphinfan | March 16, 2012 at 10:57 AM

That's complete & utter sillyness! Redskins had less cap space than Miami & found room room to sign 4 LARGE contracts? Karricker, Garcon, Merriweather & Morgan.

How did Dallas, with less space sign their large money contracts to Carr, tag Spencer, Orton & Pool?

Bash the dumb deals those teams make every year but, you know what? They find ways to sign guys. Miami has NO creativity partly because our GM is merely a scout playing the role of GM.

Captain Obvious....

I have been wondering the SAME thing....it blows my mind...

Our CAPOLOGIST must have NO imagination....or simply is handcuffed to doing things by the letter of the law...

Captain Obvious,

I'll be FURIOUS if the Dolphins offer Flynn that kind of contract. FURIOUS! He's not worth that kind of commitment....sorry. There's no real market for him, other than Seattle. If Seattle offers up that kind of money, then let him sign there. He's worth no more than $4-5 mil a year on a 3 or four year deal.I want to be able to get out of this when we see it's more of the same and we need to draft a young QB first round.

This is pathetic. No one else is even interested in Flynn but Miami and Seattle. If he is such a hot free agent, why aren't any other teams interested? I'll tell you why. The rest of the teams see Flynn as who he is. Another overrated career backup like Feeley and Kolb. That's why we should have moved up in the draft and gotten RG3. Franchise quarterbacks don't come every year. I also predicted to many of u idiots that Manning was 't coming to Miami. Flynn doesn't even have a strong arm; and now we don't even have a number one receiver to bail someone like him out. Because Ireland got rid of Marshall. That's another position we now have to address in the draft.

and the comment at 11:07 is not to make an attempt that the SKINS or COWBOYS are model franchises by any strech....

They are not perrenial playoff contenders....but @ the same time...neither are we....

I just want to know what their money people are doing to ALWAYS free up so much space....

Craig, if you read between the lines of what Mando wrote yesterday, and think about what Philbin wants in a WR core, I think he actually IS happy with the guys on the team now.

How you ask? Well, I believe he's a bit delusional. He's had the best QB in the league for the last few years, and I guess doesn't remember what it's like NOT to have that. He must have forgotten ELITE QBs make mediocre WRs MUCH better. Not saying the WRs in GB were mediocre, but I have the feeling Philbin thinks he can work with these guys (because they are such good "team" guys, no divas.

I don't see us grabbing a WR in the early rounds (back to the old Parcells philosophy on drafting skill positions). Both Jennings and Driver were from small schools and drafted later (actually, I think Jennings was a 2nd rounder, but Driver was definitely like a 4th or 5th-rounder, or later).

So maybe Ireland has someone in mind later in the Draft to get. And I joked about it with NH earlier, but maybe they do think Moore and Wallace are ready for a bigger role.

It's wishing on a hope and a prayer if you ask me, but this is new territory. My team never ran a WC offense. Maybe this is how it's done. I'm kind of interested to see if they can pull it off (or if it will really be as bad as it seems).

I wouldn't be upset if Flynn signs with Seattle. Force us to look at the draft. Or trade for Tebow, that should guarantee us the first pick in 2013. Then we can select a guard to clear room for tebow's runs.

Thanks Ross. Thanks Peyton.

Mark in Toronto, sorry to burst your bubble but Parcells publicly admitted that he is the one who picked Pat White. He was quoted AND he said Ireland wanted to go a different direction but he saw White as a good investment for the wildcat and vetoed Irelands pick. He went on to say it was the one mistake he would take back.

Mark I'm sure you didn't know this fact before you wrote this. I just can't believe all of the misinformation that is out there. Parcells came right out and said White was his choice and people STILL blame Ireland. I've said this over and over again, there are so many other things people can pin on Ireland that there's no need to make things up.

Fish fans think Moore is good bc they haven't seen a decent qb in over a decade. 1/2 the fan base resides in geriatric wards and can't remember Marino. The other 1/2 were in diapers. So yeah feel free to feast on Moore and be happy with 5 - 8 wins / year. Enjoy watching B Marsh in Chicago and Hartline try to replace his productivity.

DC, I think driver was actually a 7th round feel good story. Not 100% sure but I think I heard that somewhere.

I give Tim Tebow a chance as Our starting qb.Hell,We let chump chad do it for three seasons.

I think the Hicks signing signaled the end of getting Winston especially if reports are true of Winston wanting to become the highest paid RT in football so that leaves Miami with enough money to sign one more fairly high priced free agent. Will it be Flynn? I think in the end he will come to Miami.

As far as our receiver corp i think Miami could be in really good shape in Trent Richardson is still there at 8. The Bengals are known to covet him and have picks 17 and 21 in the first rd. Now the chances of getting both ones are slim but i think getting one of those plus another 2nd are good and would still allow Miami to look at a Kendall Wright or Stephen Hill or a Floyd if he somehow slips down that far. The extra 2nd rd pick usually will help a team although we all know Miami's history with 2nd rd picks but having 2 2nds and 2 3rds could net some good talent which is obviosuly needed by Miami right now.

You free up CAP space by offering more guaranteed money (which doesn't count against the CAP). The Cowboys and Skins can do that because they are the 2 richest teams in the NFL.

We always hear about Ross having big pockets, but he needs them to buy out tickets and prevent a lockout (the other 2 Owners don't have that problem).

Phins, mando wrote that white was Ireland was Ireland's pick and it pissed parcells off so much, that he made sure the next years picks followed the parcells prototype of big strong players.

I wasn't in the room but mando wrote that.

Thanks for the info DC....I didn't know that....

If we wanted Flynn and he is the best fit, we should have snatched him up right away and we could have gotten him cheep, instead of wantin' on Peyton and letting Flynn visit QB desperate Seattle which is going to drive the price up.

Thanks again Ross, Peyton!

Tim Tebow is a winner.I don't like his displays of kneeling and wasn't a fan of him when in college but the guy wins!
It would be intruguing to have him on Our roster.What if Tebow developed into a Steve Young type qb.Both are tough runners.Tim would be in a west coast system.like the one Young was in SF.
Posted by: ozkar | March 16, 2012 at 10:58 AM

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He's a winner, except when he's not. When the Broncos win, he gets all the credit....when they lost, it was everyone elses fault.

There were numerous reasons, beyond Tebow, for the Broncos wins. Many games simply came down to a lucky bounce that went their way. Tebow is not an NFL QB.....you can't consistently win in a "passing" league with a QB who only completes 9 passes a game and less than 35% completion rating.

He will have his moments, but I highly doubt there will ever be any consistency. If he starts again somewhere (and I have my doubts) he will most definitely be exposed. To boot, you have to play that stupid college option offense to best utilize Tebow...which means your backup has to be able to do the same since the "option" becomes your base offense and is what is practiced during the week. The "option" is not sustainable as a viable NFL offensive system....just like the "wild cat" isn't a long term solution to use as a base offense....as we've already found out.

So here's an idea I wanted to throw out there:

Obviously the market for Flynn hasn't developed the way he wanted. We heard that the Pack might frachise him for !4 mil at one point and then trade him for a pick. We heard numbers like '$10 mil a year'. I don't think it's going to be anything close to that. At what point do the Packers come back into the future, and look at Flynn as a capable backup, that you pay $4-5 mil a year, should Rodgers go down. He's already shown he can do the job. He's very familiar with the staff. I mean, he's not going to make anywhere close to what he thought he was originally going to make. Doesn't there come a point where Flynn says 'Hmmm....go to GB for $3-4 mil a year, back up Rodgers and maybe win another Super Bowl or two in the next five years or go to Miami and be the starter for $4-5 mil a year, with no guarantee of anything.' I know what I would pick. Being Rodgers backup for that kind of money would be one of the best jobs in the NFL. All the cast of characters are back, except Driver and who knows with him. What are his guarantees in Miami? Some money, sure. The chance to start.....but for how long? Outside of starting, it's not that desirable a situation when compared to backing up in GB.

Hey Captain do you really want Miamis front office to be modeled after Dallas and Washingtons? They both screwed up their caps this year and lost money. Neither has been to the playoffs in how long? And they sign guys? Who carrreeesssss. You have to have a plan when signing free agents. Doesn't their history of just "signing guys" and how it's worked out for them clue you in on something? Isn't it obvious,,,,,captain?

You want to hold up Dallas and Washington as your models of efficiency in the off season while ignoring the fact that every move they have made has led to failure for them. Just silly.

Captain Obvious,
I'll be FURIOUS if the Dolphins offer Flynn that kind of contract. FURIOUS! He's not worth that kind of commitment....sorry. There's no real market for him, other than Seattle. If Seattle offers up that kind of money, then let him sign there. He's worth no more than $4-5 mil a year on a 3 or four year deal.I want to be able to get out of this when we see it's more of the same and we need to draft a young QB first round.

Posted by: Craig M | March 16, 2012 at 11:08 AM

That's pretty funny right there. Yea, I'm sure Flynn will take a smaller deal than Luck or RGIII will end up with as rookies!

Seriously?

He's a veteran. He's a QB. Unproven or not, QB's get paid. Your salary is advocating slightly more than Henne just got to be a back up? $3.375 MILLION PER YEAR!

Come on! That's not even remotely realistic!

You want a QB & you're desperate? You pay the price. Simple as that. If they don't even try, expect the same team you've seen since Marino retired. A Lousy one!

Being cheap is exactly why the phins are in the sh*tty shape they find theirselves. You HAVE to pay for talent not shop at thrift stores!

Mark in Toronto...

What Phins 78 is talking about was the tribute to Parcells....on NFL network....its liks an hour long show/interview....with Parcells looking in the mirror alot (seriously)....

but yes...he does say he regretted the Pat White pick...and he took responsibility for it....

Phins 78....

I hear what your saying...and I don't disagree...but we have taken the opposite appraoch with our CAP...and it has gotten us similiar results....

SO its a PUSH...half -a dozen of one...and 6 of the other.....

As Bill Parcells looks back on his time running the Dolphins, he can’t help but second-guess himself over some draft picks gone wrong. And no pick looks worse in hindsight than the decision to take Pat White in the second round of the 2009 draft.

“We violated our principles,” Parcells told Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, in reference to picking White. “He just wasn’t a prototypical quarterback pick. He was a great college player, and we let that color our judgment.”

Parcells thought White had the potential to be a game-changing player in the wildcat offense, but looking back on it, he thinks the Dolphins should have been looking for a pro-style passer, not an all-purpose athlete.

And the best pro-style passer to enter the league in the three years that Parcells was running the Dolphins’ war room, Matt Ryan, is one player Parcells wishes he would have drafted. Asked if the Dolphins should he have picked Ryan instead of offensive tackle Jake Long in 2008, Parcells said, “maybe, we should have.”

Although Long has turned into a fine tackle, there’s no “maybe” about it: If the Dolphins had taken Ryan first overall, they’d be a franchise in much better shape right now. Michael David Smith, NBC Sports

This isn't the article I read but is close. I hope we can finally put this falsehood to rest. It obviously states Parcell's was in charge of the "war room". He made the call. There is more proof of this anywhere you want to look and just takes some quick internet investigating.

I have seen a lot comments. I think not getting Manning is not completely bad. What happens if he gets hurt? I don’t think they are that bad off. These are the positives:
1. The defense will be a top 5 defense next year
2. Specialty teams will be one of the best next year
3. The offense line is getting better will have an off season to get better
a. I think that this can be a pretty good line
b. Year 2 with Pouncy
4. The have a nice back field

5. They receivers that they do have might not be a prime #1 but they don’t drop the ball and are pretty good

a. Plus they are not divas who require the ball and under the new offense, they don’t want one
6. The have a pretty good TE
a. Could use an good complimentary one

So far I have describe the Super Bowl teams like the Redskins from the 80s and the Ravens Super bowl team……

7. They have a QB in Moore (who would not be my first pick) who with a full training camp could fix some of his issues
8. So I would sign Flynn under an incentive based contract
9. And if that does not work, draft a QB
Overall, they are pretty good team that needs to add a few pieces to its young core. Which may include a new wide receiver?
Right now, I would say they are the second best team in the AFC East. They are re-building but completely overhaul.
Here is one other option. Go with the QBs on staff, get a cheaper backup and wait until next year and go for Logan Thomas for VA Tech. He will be a legit QB and the Fins would be in the playoffs automatically.

DC,

Thanks for that. To DC or anyone else, can you tell me if the Pats run a version of the WC offence. Is this the type of offence we'll be running next year. Life in the NFL is getting complicated. It used to be about getting good players, now it's becoming 'this guys would be good in this offence/defence but not good in that offence/defence'. It's no wonder personnel guys make so many mistakes. So much to take into account.

The only reason I ask about the Pats is because I don't consider them to have an elite WR on their roster and I wonder if this is the model we're moving towards. I conside a guy like Jennnings to be elite, regardless of where he was drafted and Driver WAS elite. Reagrdless of hos this plays out, I have to think out starting WRs next year aren't going to be Bess and Hartline....I mean, that's pathetic!

The interest in Flynn is below minimal. Right now the guy should be happy to get a contract. Obviously NFL teams are seeing something different then the rose colored glasses of the fans. Flynn does not deserve starters pay, because he hasn't been a starter. Minimal contract with incentive package at most.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter just reported that the Miami Dolphins are officially out of the running for Manning. Miami was initially considered a front-runner for Manning, partly because he owns a home there. Schefter reported the Dolphins were told they are no longer in the mix.

Here's another article from Dolphins digest;

"As Bill Parcells looks back on his time running the Dolphins, he can’t help but second-guess himself over some draft picks gone wrong. And no pick looks worse in hindsight than the decision to take Pat White in the second round of the 2009 draft.
“We violated our principles,” Parcells told Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, in reference to picking White. “He just wasn’t a prototypical quarterback pick. He was a great college player, and we let that color our judgment.”
Parcells thought White had the potential to be a game-changing player in the wildcat offense, but looking back on it, he thinks the Dolphins should have been looking for a pro-style passer, not an all-purpose athlete.
And the best pro-style passer to enter the league in the three years that Parcells was running the Dolphins’ war room, Matt Ryan, is one player Parcells wishes he would have drafted. Asked if the Dolphins should he have picked Ryan instead of offensive tackle Jake Long in 2008, Parcells said, “maybe, we should have.”
Although Long has turned into a fine tackle, there’s no “maybe” about it: If the Dolphins had taken Ryan first overall, they’d be a franchise in much better shape right now."

Big shout out to Armando in that one!

You want to hold up Dallas and Washington as your models of efficiency in the off season while ignoring the fact that every move they have made has led to failure for them. Just silly.
Posted by: Phins78 | March 16, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Just like the other day, you're seeing things in my post that simply aren't there & you start assuming you know what I'm talking about. I'm sorry but, yet again, you're wrong.

Please refrain from replying to my posts in the future as it will save you allot of time.

FOR THE RECORD, I didn't say they are model franchises. I'm saying, they get it done. They want a guy, they get him. Deny it if you want, doesn't change the fact of the matter.

Whether they sign the wrong guys & don't know how to build a team was NOT the point. They creatively, year after year, find ways to get the guys they want.

If they would sign the right people, I'm sure they'd win more games. Also, please tell me the difference between spending money & failing versus not spending the money & failing all the same? A winner is a winner & a loser is a loser!

Who cares if they try & fail...at least they try!

BYE PEYTON..STILL CAN'T GET OUT OF MY MIND THE INT..YOU THREW TO PORTER VS. THE SAINTS IN THE SUPERBOWL TO SEAL THE GAME IN SUNLIFE STADIUM ..GO AND PLAY WITH THE TITANS AND BE CLOSE TO YOUR FRIEND KENNY CHESNEY!

"One of the reasons we took Jake Long is that he was a surer bet,'' Parcells said. "Quarterbacks, you just don't know. They're so hard to predict. It's easier to project how good a tackle is going to be, and a left tackle plays a pretty important position.''
Another article by Steve Svedkis ,Sun Sentinel;

Parcells said selecting Mountaineers option quarterback White with the 44th overall pick in 2009 "was my mistake."

He went on to add: "It was a deviation from your principles; he was not prototypical. At the time, we're thinking we could expand the Wildcat, you know. But it turns out he wasn't accurate enough and didn't throw it well enough. We learned from that.''

You want I should whack Peyton?

Craig M's lifelong ambition is to be a back-up qb.Sounds cowardly to me if you're not desiring a starting qb job.
Seems Craig M likes riding the pine.I for one would seek a starting job.

I say sign Flynn and don't let him leave without a contract signed.

I don't understand some people when they bash on Flynn;
- "he's not good enough because he sat behind Rogers"
- "he's a seventh round draft pick"
- "he's only played two games"

How about this:
- Rogers sat behind Farve all those years, how well did Rogers turn out.
- Tom Brady = 6th Round pick
- Rogers only played in 3-4 games before he took over Farve's spot.

Flynn is coming to a system he already knows, so there will be no learning curve. Sign Flynn and let's build the offense in the draft.

WIN, LOOSE, OR TIE... DOLPHINS TILL' I DIE!!!

Everyone focused on the Henne part of my post... figures...

The question in the post, where I am really interested in what everyone thinks is...

Who and what do we get now... With limited cap space, what names are the best values in your opinions?

Ex. Manningham? Way to expensive for what he has to offer I would think... What are you thoughts?

Matt Moore will likely be the worst Qb of all 32 teams next season and not a guy a draftee QB can learn from. I think Henne will win more games in Jax than Moore in South Beach.

Captain Obvious,

There's so much wrong with your post at 11:17 I don't know where to start.

First of all, regardless of what you think of Henne, he's a three year starter in this league. That has SOME value. You think, not? Take a look at the contract Delhomme got in Cleveland a few years ago. Very mediocre QB but he had starting experience. Teams will pay a bit more for that. Flynn has NONE of that. He's started what, two games? Appeared in 5? You don't pay a premium for that (or at least you don't if you're smart).

I'll argue the Dolphins AREN'T desperate for a QB. They have a guy on the roster who has started in the league about 20 games and took the team to a 6-6 record last year. He knows what he's doing. When you come across as desperate you overpay...and that's when mistakes happen. I happen to think they'd be just as well not signing Flynn and drafting a QB in the draft. You on the other hand think Flyn is the answer to all our problems and woould pay him $45 mil. Let's see who's right.

Lastly, Matt Flynn, at this point in his career is 'the thrift shop'. He's a 7th round draft choice who's started 2 games in the NFL. Doesn't get any more 'thrift shop' than that.

Manningham is not too expensive, we need players who make plays and if we are going to pay loser cb 6 mill then manningham is worth it.
How do we think we are getting Flynn any less than 7 mill? If Tavaris gets four and he's the worst starting qb in the league.......and Flynn is worth the money because he's not Moore. If some loser cb gets 6 then give Flynn what he needs and trade up and get blackmon or trade down and get Floyd and streeter or russel wilson and lets do this.

My thoughts are that chump chad sucks.We should get refund.
Poizen did your henne jag jersey get overnight delivered?

And sign Eric Winston if we still can dammit!

"I'll argue the Dolphins AREN'T desperate for a QB."

Waiting, hoping & praying for a 36 year old coming off 4 neck surgeries isn't desperate huh?

Having your owner & Gm publicly tell anyone with 2 ears the #1 offseason goal is to get an elite QB isn't desperate?

Really?

But that is my point Captain. I want you to see the pattern. The pattern is teams that sign all of the big name free agents never win. Look at the last three years of playoff teams and you will have all of the proof you need. It's wonderful that Dallas and Washington get their guys but it doesn't help them. The teams that win are the teams that build through the draft, teams that build with chemistry in mind. I never said Miami was doing anything right, just that you were using the wrong teams as your model on how the Dolphins should do things. If you had said "the Packers and Giants are consistently good so we shouldn't be going after Peyton, we should draft a guy like they do and build from within" I would have agreed 100 percent.

But instead you said the Dolphins can't sign any guys and Dallas/Washington get all of their guys. I'm just saying why hold our team up to a model that so obviously doesn't work? So I don't have to tell you what the difference is because I never said Miamis way was the right way. You see?

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