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Is Manning really that into the Dolphins?

I've dated in my life. I know what it looks like when someone is really into me ... and I know what it looks like when someone really isn't that into me. (Insert jokes in comments section).

Anyway, free agency is a little like dating. You wine. You dine. You spend money. You chase. It is a date minus the flowers or candy. And so far, Peyton Manning has been on four dates in the last week since his release from the Indianapolis Colts.

He dated Denver. He dated Arizona. He dated Miami. And he dated Tennessee.

My issue?

He dated Denver in Denver over a two-day span. He dated Arizona in Arizona over a two-day span. He dated Tennessee in Nashville over a 9-hour span.

The Dolphins? They had to go to him. They got only five hours.

Does that sound like the Dolphins got equal treatment? Does it sound like Manning, who I reported yesterday is very interested in finding a strong relationship with his next team, got an ample opportunity to bond with anyone representing Miami?

Obviously, I am on the outside looking in. The Dolphins continue to believe they are in the game. They continue to wait on a final nod of approval or dismissive hand gesture to know how to proceed next. And for all we know, details of their visit with Manning included the free agent quarterback hugging every Miami rep and promising to sign as soon as he dispensed with one last visit.

But I doubt it. And it just seems from my point of view that even if the Dolphins are in this horse race, they are aboard a nag trailing the field. That's how I see it. That is increasingly how fans that email me, call my radio show and follow me on twitter view it.

How is it the Dolphins apparently haven't seen this?

Today, by the way, feels like a big day to me on the Manning front. My gut is we'll see some sort of indication from the Manning camp by tonight which teams are seriously, seriously in the running for the player. ESPN has reported every team that has interviewed Manning is in the running.

But eventually this is going to begin getting whittled. Arizona's deadline for paying quarterback Kevin Kolb a $7 million bonus. The Dolphins cannot continue to sit idle while next QB possibility Matt Flynn visits with Seattle. And one assumes the Titans, talking to several other free agents, also need indication which way this will turn.

So the end of the great courting of Peyton Manning seems on the horizon.

By the way, on another topic, Kendall Langford is scheduled to visit the Cincinnati Bengals today.

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Jack when you quote someone you have to source your quote so that we may read it as well. Otherwise everyone could just wrap a sentence with quotes and claim someone said it without having to have proof. We don't even know the context of the interview so the quotes could be misconstrued. If you write the source of your quote you will garner more trust and respect.

DD,

My bad, but still I would love to have Mario Williams. The problem is we wouldve had to give more than $50 million guaranteed to pry him away from Buffalo.

We may have been able to get right at our cap limit concerning the guaranteed money of signing. But our problem would have come when Mario hits the "incentive money" in such a large contract. When he reached his incentives it would probaly force us go over cap.

One thing for sure, had we signed Mario Williams there was absolutely no way to resign Soliai.

I also agree that THIS offseason will define Ireland, with the EXCEPTION of the QB decision. That one is being driven by Ross.

wolfman13 --- Whether or not a QB will turn into a good QB has a lot less to do with fan support and more to do with his abilities, coaching, and talent around him.

Posted by: No Balls | March 15, 2012 at 01:04 PM

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You seem to be missing my point and my sarcasm. As I stated in an earlier post, Dolphin fans can look at Dalton in Cinncinati with envy...but had he been drafted to the Phin and put up the exact same statistics, Dolphin fans would only see the negatives and dwell upon them. That is apparantly all that most Dolphin fans are good for.

Zero objectivity, zero patience or understanding of player development.

wolfman,

Maybe finally round pegs into round holes?

Could it be?

Mario Williams signs 6 year 100 million dollar contract 60 miliion Guranteed. Jeez, godly.

YG YOU do realize Manning was in the same division with Mario Williams and is said to be favoring another team within that division, and he was doing that before Mario left. Calm down.

If we get Winston I'll considered the FA period a success. I'm ok with Moores as QB with that line protecting him. If Blackmon falls to #8 (hard but stranger things happen) we are set at WR. If not, we trade down and take Floyd and get an extra pick for round 2. We could then use our two picks on Cousins/Weeden and maybe TE Fleener from Stanford. Offense looks much improved then...

I have come to the conclusion that there are two succinct but affiliated groups that dominate this blog and Dolphin fandom in general. The aforementioned "gang of defeat" and the newly formed affiliate "douches of despair."

Wolfman13 -- Let me add also, no one expects "every" player drafted to make the Pro Bowl. But for a GM who speaks of trying to find "acorns" in the draft, he has done a very poor job of it. It would be nice to hit a home-run on some of these lower picks once in a blue moon. I'm willing to give players time to develop, but besides Paul Soliai, who has really developed into a stud player who wasn't drafted in the first couple rounds? Pretty much no one recently.

wolfman,
Maybe finally round pegs into round holes?
Could it be?
Posted by: The Signal | March 15, 2012 at 01:10 PM

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One can certainly hope....and that is where my hope will lie for the foreseeable future.

So, according to Mando...

The Miami Dolphins are like the ugly Prom Date that your mother fixed you up with, huh?

But, we may be Manning's only chance at getting lucky!

Just saying...

No Balls @ 1:15 - Perhaps it's not simply the players that were drafted or brought in by Ireland....perhaps our former HC had zero clue how to develop talent. Perhaps our former HC had zero clue how to properly utilize what talent he had to get the most out of them.

I find that very possible since I can't even figure out what kind of "system" Tony was running....I've just been dubing it the "willy nilly" offensive scheme. Outside the box? Perhaps. Proven NFL philosophy? I hardly think so.

Hey Wolfie!

There's a third group here although it exists as a minority- this third group is called the "fans".

How many times have we seen players leave Miami to have success elsewhere? How many times have "fans" said, "why didn't that guy do it here?"

Could it be that some of our coaches (Tony S) never implemented a system that worked? Could it be that some of our coaches (cough, cough...Tony S) tried to fit square pegs into round holes? Could it be that some of our coaches (clearing throat, Tony S) have no idea how to develop talent?

I think it's a pretty distinct possibility.

But for a GM who speaks of trying to find "acorns" in the draft, he has done a very poor job of it. It would be nice to hit a home-run on some of these lower picks once in a blue moon. I'm willing to give players time to develop,

no balls

Not trying to be a d**k but you contradicted yourself. You say Ireland has done a poor job of finding acorns yet he has only been in charge of one draft and you're already saying players like Gates and Clay are worthless.

It sure is sad being a low information blogger, I wish someone would tell me that they hate Mr. Ross, Jeff and Tony, wait, didn't he go to the Jets, and the rest of the Miami team management, I just didn't know that they hate these guys, I wish someone would post and tell us how they hate, because it is news to us, we never got this information. Bill

Charles Clay. Nolan Carroll isn't bad on ST. Kendall Langford.

Fins need to throw in the towel and move on to the draft. Flynn is no sure-fire answer to the QB situation. There's a strong possibility that he is just a mediocre bandaid that has the potential to halt the development of a future young QB and just keep delaying the ongoing process of obtaining a franchise QB. Tannehill is not a franchise QB. RG3 an Luck are. Need to ride with Moore and hope we finish with the worst record like we should have been trying to do last yr. Man they are so bad they cant win enough to be good nor lose enough to help the team ! And since we are rebuilding we need to trade J Long for draft picks while he still has value. Better get something in return before he hits FA. If Peyton was considering Miami, im sure the departure of the only serviceable WR and the idea of playing against Mario Williams twice a yr totally extinguished that remaiing flicker of hope.

Ever try cracking an acorn? It takes a bit of work.

If you don't understand my analogy, let me put it this way....people are calling guys like Gates and Clay busts...they were late round picks....it will take time for the to develop (if at all). It'll take some work to crack those acorns.

Give 'em more than a season under a "dead man walking" HC and let's see what happens. Please, for the love....

Wolfman,

I totally see your point & some people on here just want to dump on the Dolphins no matter what BUT in fairness this IS Jeff Ireland's 5th off-season & we still have a LOT of needs IMO including a franchise QB which just so happens to be the most important position in football. The guy was retained after we started the season 0-7 which would probably not happen on any other team in the league.

I like that he was able to keep Soliai & not overpay for him plus I really like that he was able to sign Richard Marshall. As for Brandon Marshall--Ireland was actually lucky to get anything for him with this latest report that happened here in Manhattan last week. However, he should not have ever made the trade in the first place to get a guy that has elite talent BUT is a whiney malcontent with serious issues.

Aside from finding a franchise QB, the way I see is that we definitely need playmakers @ WR, TE, & & another pass rusher. Wake is solid but we need more than just one pass rusher if we expect to contend. After that you can't deny that we don't have defined starters @ RG & RT. Sure I like Murtha but he's unproven & who knows if John Jerry is ready to be a professional athlete considering he came into camp out of shape.

My evil plan:
sign FA RT (hopefully Winston),
CB competition (Marshall good),
look for FA safety, if avail (unknown),
and skip the Manning circus, or Flynn hype train.

Then draft best playmaker avail in 1st round, Cousins/Weeden in 2nd,
and mixture of defensive tackling/terrorizing/turnover-creating beasts,
and shifty YAC-type WRs for the rest of the rounds.

Done. That was easy.

The only monkey wrench was the B. Marshall problem. Not sure how to fix that one. Hopefully one of the draftees steps up eventually.

So far... evil plan going nicely.

Dusty Bottom, your a pessimistic joke. Your not a true fan. Dont ever think you are. You and ones like you cry and complain and put your team down and dont have any faith in them. You truly should go root for a front running team. Are you supposed to be some kinda respected authority on here? Fact is you lack the professionalism and intellegence needed to make an educated assessment of the Dolphins in general. Whether its in regards to the financials, the quality of the roster, or the size of the sticker on the back of your truck. Your bashing professional people in a manner that would suggest you have some sort of background in running a professional football team. It is fans like you that give the Dolphins a bad name. Ill challenge you this with regards to your vitrial...What has Ross done that you are so upset about that makes him such a bad owner? Please tell me from what report, what newspaper article have you gathered your expert opinion on the man and his doings?

Wolfman13 >>> I disagree with you. When Miami drafted Henne, the fans gave him a while before jumping on him.

I'm liking Coyle more and more every day. I just read that he feels Sean Smith and Vontae Davis weren't used properly by the past coaching staff. He said that their progress slowed because the staff failed to recognize their strengths and properly play to them. That isn't a direct quote but comes from an interview in the Post.

I love that he's not afraid to call people out. No pu**y footing around the obvious.

And how many times have we discussed Sparano's staff trying to force players into roles that don't suit them? Round pegs into square holes is what a couple people were talking about earlier.

I said it weeks ago and just read a quote from Omar reiterating my statement. (I know it's just Omar but I'm glad SOMEONE saw what I did when Murtha filled in for Long and Colombo. Murtha is going to surprise fans this year. The coaches and front office know what they have which is why they resigned him. Now the fans will hopefully get a reward by watching one of our o-linemen pick up his game and make a difference. If we can't land Winston I will be watching VERY closely to see if Murtha is what I think he is.

Sorry guys, just checking back in after disappearing for work for a bit.

Phins78 (from earlier), yeah I agree totally about what you said earlier to me about the WC offence. I wasn't crticizing Flynn's game as much as point out that people need to realize it's not going to be an all out aerial assault as some guys might expect. Flynn would be good in this type of offence as he's shown. I realize the offence relys on accuracy and I think that plays to Flynn's strengths.

DD, not surprised by what Williams got. Bit surprised it was Buffalo and a bit surprised he went there first and didn't make it to talk to anyone else. Not sure who else would have wanted to be on a player at that kind of price.

I'm sure I'll be in the minority but the Bills are making strides. Stevie Johnson is tied up for the next few years, their DL will be great with Williams, Williams and Dareus and Fitz is pretty good. Not sure of the status of Fred Jackson but if they have a good draft look out. Without looking at their team closer, I think they just became a player for a guy like Floyd or maybe an OL.

All of the QB's are gone with the excveption of Flynn. Flynn is in Seattle now and they know that so Flynn will sign with Seattle today. They offer Sidney Rice, Marshawn Lynch and a lot of cash.
We're screwed.
Both Cleveland and J'ville pick in front of us and both can extort us because they can take the 3rd/4th QB's available and leave us with dick-fist which is where we were when last season ended.

No Balls - the fans gave him one season (ok technically two since he sat on the bench his first season). People were calling for his head in his 2nd season as a starter (3rd season overall).

People on this blog often talk about Brees....and how the Phins screwed up by passing on him in the draft. Well....the "fans" would have run him out on a rail too...over his first three seasons, he had worse stats than Henne and didn't have a good season until his 4th year and much of that was attributed to the rise of Gates and LT. I lived in SD at the time....nobody thought Brees was worth a squat, let alone a franchise contract. Phins would have done the same thing....both fan bases have very low football IQs

Not trying to be a d**k but you contradicted yourself. You say Ireland has done a poor job of finding acorns yet he has only been in charge of one draft and you're already saying players like Gates and Clay are worthless.

Posted by: Phins78

I don't just mean Ireland, but the entire organization since Jimmy Johnson left. Doesn't matter who has been making the picks. As for Gates, we will see. The Phinsiders projected him this week as mainly a special teams player because he can't run routes. As for Clay, he is an okay TE/HB but do you really think he will prosper into a top receiving TE? I doubt it. A home-run would be like drafting Jimmy Graham, Aaron Hernandez, etc. I doubt Clay turns into that.

OMG I'm going to lose my f***in mind. Now it's Irelands 5th off season? Did everyone forget that Parcells was the Vice President in charge of player acquisitions. That Parcells was the one training Jeff? That Parcells vetoed Jeffs choice and took Pat White and later admitted he was wrong on that? That Parcells drafted Henne because "he reminds me of Phil Simms".

Why has everyone been ignoring my posts on this for 3 pages? Does it not the suit the soup du jour which is senselessly bashing Jeff Ireland with no objectivity in mind?

I'm all for calling people out but I don't understand why we're blaming the child for the sins of the Father. Can someone,,,,ANYONE that keeps blaming Ireland for 3 years of drafts he wasn't in charge of explain your reasoning on this one? Are you new fans maybe and don't realize Bill Parcells was employed by the organization to turn things around?

Phins78,

Winston is going to be expensive. Are you OK with tying that kind of money up on the OL or would you prefer to spend that money elsewhere. I happen to think Murtha can be good for this team at RT too and he'd cost a whole lot less.

wolf, great points on Henne. I really hope that Henne goes on to light it up in Jacksonville or somewhere else. I still think the guy has good talent and with the right coaching and right players around him he could be salvaged. The fans were on him from the get-go and he never had a chance. Too bad...

With the 8th pick of the 2012 NFL Draft the Miami Dolphins have selected..

Acorns Galore out of Acorn University.

4 hours into free agency Henne had a contract which paid him extra not to travel to Seattle.
4 hours.
Moore was unemployed for 2 months before he a got a $1mil/yr contract.
Henne was unemployed for 4 hours before he got a $4mil/yr contract.

Guess the plan is to build through the draft. I'm fine with that. Worked for Green Bay and Pittsburgh. Can't say I'm thrilled about Ireland's draft resume but it is what it is.

It's just hard after so many down years to think about a rebuilding project. Especially when Ross is sending mixed signals by going after Manning. Are we going young and rebuilding or are we in win now mode?

Wolfman -- So do you want another year of Henne? I think Henne was given enough time to prove whether he was the man here or not. Time to move on. To compare Henne to Brees is ridiculous.

Bills just inked Super Mario...This should give us even more reason to sign Eric Winston ASAP! No low balling!!

no balls as I remember it Henne came in for half a season a little more and fans supported him. He didn't even get first team snaps, much like the pass we give to Moore for last seasons 0-3 start.

We went into the offseason and fans were all excited saying Henne was going to be the s**t. Then the first season he had a chance to be the starter the fans turned on him like a pack of wild dogs. He had a bad start and that was the end of it. No one cared that Henning was 90 years old and still running an offense that predated world war 2. No one cared that he had no weapons and a putrid o-line. It was all Hennes fault and he needed to be gone.

So in my estimation Henne was given exactly one off season to become a pro bowler before the ignorant fans turned on him. I don't care, not a Henne fan, just pointing out the facts as I remember them. Fans weren't interested in giving Henne a few years to develop, they had already crowned him the next king and when he didn't perform out of the gates the torches were lit.

Am I wrong people? Help me out on this one.

The bright side:

Logan Thomas QB VT: Think Cam Newton in a 6'8" body.
Entering his Jr year and will be bigger than Luck & RG3 hype wise.

Maybe Ireland planned it like this all along.
We'll definitely be getting the 1st or 2nd pick next season.

As I recall, Clay looked pretty good when he was thrown the ball.

Gates had some nice returns in the second half of the season. I think we're gonna watch him "take it to the house" this year.

Pouncey will be solid starter for years to come.

Thomas is a load who's hard to bring down (when healthy) and a nice compliment to Bush.

Wilson showed flashes of big-play ability and was a STEAL in the 7th.

All-in-all I'd say 2011 was a pretty solid draft.

AndyNJ,

Not sure if you're still around or not but Peter King is on your side and CONVINCED that Flynn will be a good starting QB in the NFL. I'm mean TOTALLY convinced. I remember reading that he had Flynn as number FIVE most attractive FA available (I thought it way too high myself, but what do I know).

Anyways, I just wanted to say I hope you are right Andy. Noything would make me happier than seeing somebody step in and do the job. Just wanted to share King's thoughts (even though he's not a talent evaluator) and say if you are right, I'll be the first to shake your hand (through the computer at least). Cheers....

ok no balls, I agree, as an organization yes.

@ Phins78
You're absolutely right. Just like they are labelling D Thomas a bust or anyone from last year's draft for that matter
Heck with our current standards P Manning is a bust with that awful 3-13 record on his first year and throwing more Ints than TD's...Why do we want that guy anyway?

Wolf - you speak the truth. The lockout is the main reason Gates was unprepared , next yr with a full training camp I think he will take it to the next level. Players like Gates and D Thomas didn't have the funds for a pro trainer. That was the main reason for Thomas' hamstring problems.

I don't think Miami has bad fans. On the contrary we as fans just have higher expectations than one playoff game in ten years. Here in Phoenix the fans are mostly apathetic and bandwagon types. If the Cardinals win that's fine and if they lose that's pretty much ok too. I'll take Dolphin fans over these homer shills every day of the week.

Just wanted to add that I read a number of people say we are 'rebuilding'. I say BS to that. Why? Because we got rid of a problem child and freed up capspace? Sorry....not buying it. If we were rebuilding we'd be dumping guys like Dansby, Bell, Hartline etc....we're not. I beieve Ireland and Philbin believe they can win now. Yes, they were 6-10 last year but how many games did they throw away? This team is TOTALLY capaable going 10-6 this season with the right mix of players added. I admit they need to improve WR and the QB play needs to be better but the schedule is believed to be the easiest in the league. A lot of people have already written them off this year and that's fine. Same guys who wrote the team of after going 1-15 and then jumped back on board when the team went 11-5. The script on this season is a long way from being completed.

What's this lifetime contract I'm hearing between Peyton and the Titans? That's pretty impressive of an offer if you ask me.

Craig and Andy,
maybe you guys can tell me why we need to spend the rest of our cap space on a projected top 15 QB, to unseat our current top 12 QB.

I'd rather spin the draft wheel and hope the guy turns out to be much higher than both.

I said I'd have faith in Philbin's choice, and right now I'm confused, as it doesn't appear that he's all-in on Flynn either. Otherwise, i think this deal gets done - even without Manning's official nod. Fin FO isn't stupid enough to throw out all reason to chase a guy (Manning) that EVERY source is saying just isn't coming. Unless the second option just really isn't that important.

Questions, questions.

I think lack of off-season conditioning program last year also contributed to hamstring issues (Thomas, Davis)

No Craig Murtha is the way to go if they have that much faith in him. I do. But I also can't help thinking how awesome it would be to have Long,Incognito,Pouncey,Jerry/Murtha,and Winston for an o-line. If Jerry continues his progress he could start at RG freeing Murtha up to be an EXCELLENT backup for Long and Winston. Holy s**t our o-line would BE PHENOMENAL.

This Marshall thing is really screwing up my plans as I didn't think we would have to worry about signing a WR.

Can we pull the offer for Peyton Manning now? Im tired of beeing held ransom by this Diva 36 year old QB

Chris in 623,

'Homer shrills'? Is that like the Packers fans who stuck with their teams when they were finishing 3-13 or 4-12. The Bills fans who stick with their fans through thick and thin. Nobody like to see their team do poorly. The difference is those fans that criticize EVERY move an organization makes, actually makes fun of the guys coaching and managing the team and then doesn't show up to the park on Sundays. Those aren't great fans, any way you cut it. It also factors into the reasoning why guys like Fisher and Manning don't want to come here. You hear some players say 'we have the greatest fans in the world' and I'm sure you've heard of the '12th man'. Doesn't exist in Miami. Try catching a game some time in Buffalo....DIEHARD, loyal fans...and God knows they have more to complain about than us. You think things have been tough in Miami? Look around the league. Browns fans are some of the most diehard fans you will EVER meet.

@Phins78

Have you forgotten Ireland was a draft guru? His sole job was to evaluate talent. So where is it now? Irregardless if he was the one who drafted them or not. But he was the one who evaluated them and informed Tuna on who to draft. But I disagree anyways. He was the damn GM. That's the GM's job to draft players. Are you saying he was the GM for absolutely nothing for all those years?

I'm actually looking forward to seeing Clay more than Gates or Thomas. There's just something about that kid that tells me he's going to be a key member of this team. He's so versatile, he's smart, has great hands and surprising speed. (did you see that catch he made 40 yards down the field tip toeing the sideline?! are you f***ing kidding me, that guy can be an excellent TE imo at the two spot. Fasano is a fine blocker so we don,,,allright getting ahead of myself) Just looking forward to seeing how Philbin uses Clay in the WOC.

Totally agree w Craigm

"Free agent QB Matt Flynn is not expected to receive "starter" money if he signs with the Seahawks.
Flynn is still waiting for the Peyton Manning drama to play out to see if his market develops. In the mean time, the Seahawks' moves to bring in Flynn and Chad Henne suggest they're looking for a quarterback to compete with Tarvaris Jackson rather become the face of the franchise."

This is hard to believe if this is true. By all accounts Flynn was going to get paid like Kolb & now there's a very soft market for him???

Again--if true--we can get Flynn if we want him & not overspend. Ireland may not be that stupid if Philbin is truly sold on the kid.

I have NO PROBLEMS with the Dolphins rebuilding again IF:

(1) Ireland learns from his past mistakes and makes different decisions in the future so that we have a better result in the future, AND

(2) There is a plan in place to rebuild the franchise and we stick to it and don't start going off on tangents when a player like Peyton Manning becomes available, AND

(3) We make smart decisions in the best interest in the football operations, not the marketing operations, AND

(4) We admit we are rebuilding and don't try to lie to season ticket holders that we are in "WIN NOW" mode, AND

(5) We use any means necessary, and make a concerted effort to get a young FRANCHISE QB and don't give up until we have one.

Ross should hire Mayock or Kiper to do the Dolphin draft.

Yeah, there are those here labeling us whom our going by what our sees as "douches of dispair" and "gang of defeat".

Big talk from you guys that are going on "maybes" and "if". Not even an almost and almost only ounts in horse shoes. Have you ever asked yourselves, why is our battle cry has now always become "NEXT YEAR"?

I agree on Clay. He's part of that new hybrid TE position the NFL is moving towards.

JackSparrow,

It's a commonly held belief that Ireland help the GM title in name only. Check with Armando if you need that backed up. Parcells has come out and said 'we should have maybe taken Ryan over Long'. He had the ultimate say. Why do you think he was here? To work on his tan?

JS in LA, I'm undecided on Flynn. I see the value in adding him but it has to be at the right price (ie. cheap). Andy and I disagree on this one. He thinks he's a clear upgrade on Moore, I see him on the same level. If I knew we could get Weeden that's the way I would go. If there's doubt about that I think you sign Flynn at the right price. Not a fan of guys like Cousins. Foe me now, I'm MUCH more interested in getting a number one receiver in the draft.

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