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Is Manning really that into the Dolphins?

I've dated in my life. I know what it looks like when someone is really into me ... and I know what it looks like when someone really isn't that into me. (Insert jokes in comments section).

Anyway, free agency is a little like dating. You wine. You dine. You spend money. You chase. It is a date minus the flowers or candy. And so far, Peyton Manning has been on four dates in the last week since his release from the Indianapolis Colts.

He dated Denver. He dated Arizona. He dated Miami. And he dated Tennessee.

My issue?

He dated Denver in Denver over a two-day span. He dated Arizona in Arizona over a two-day span. He dated Tennessee in Nashville over a 9-hour span.

The Dolphins? They had to go to him. They got only five hours.

Does that sound like the Dolphins got equal treatment? Does it sound like Manning, who I reported yesterday is very interested in finding a strong relationship with his next team, got an ample opportunity to bond with anyone representing Miami?

Obviously, I am on the outside looking in. The Dolphins continue to believe they are in the game. They continue to wait on a final nod of approval or dismissive hand gesture to know how to proceed next. And for all we know, details of their visit with Manning included the free agent quarterback hugging every Miami rep and promising to sign as soon as he dispensed with one last visit.

But I doubt it. And it just seems from my point of view that even if the Dolphins are in this horse race, they are aboard a nag trailing the field. That's how I see it. That is increasingly how fans that email me, call my radio show and follow me on twitter view it.

How is it the Dolphins apparently haven't seen this?

Today, by the way, feels like a big day to me on the Manning front. My gut is we'll see some sort of indication from the Manning camp by tonight which teams are seriously, seriously in the running for the player. ESPN has reported every team that has interviewed Manning is in the running.

But eventually this is going to begin getting whittled. Arizona's deadline for paying quarterback Kevin Kolb a $7 million bonus. The Dolphins cannot continue to sit idle while next QB possibility Matt Flynn visits with Seattle. And one assumes the Titans, talking to several other free agents, also need indication which way this will turn.

So the end of the great courting of Peyton Manning seems on the horizon.

By the way, on another topic, Kendall Langford is scheduled to visit the Cincinnati Bengals today.

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Why is Ross keeping Ireland for the rebuild? He should clean the whole house not just one room.

The soft market for Flynn means only one thing he isn't that good that's all there is to it.

Smf good call on logan also the kid from WVU had a great year Geno Smith.

@Phins78 [In Ireland we Trust] 2008 Jake Long Draft recap by JEFF "THE SCOUT GURU" IRELAND

"Here's the actual quote of the slip. Ireland said about the first pick, "You hope that he's a pillar of your defense for a long time." Then everyone laughed and it was pointed out to him what he had said. Ireland responded, "A pillar of your defense or offense, your team." Ireland was asked if that was part of a smokescreen, to which he responded, "I'll let you guys decide." Interesting stuff, but who knows what, if anything, it means. [end update]"

Phins78 -- I hope Clay becomes a stud. I hope Gates becomes a star in the WCO. Is it possible? Yes. Probable? No. But it doesn't mean I am not rooting for them to succeed.

"Craig and Andy,
maybe you guys can tell me why we need to spend the rest of our cap space on a projected top 15 QB, to unseat our current top 12 QB."

Projections are worthless. The Eagles and Cowboys were projected to play each other in the NFC championship and both missed the playoffs. Flynn is projected a top 15 but could be top 5 or bottom 5. Don't trust projections.

Moore is what he is, there is no upside and he doesn't fit well in a WCO because he has a slow release and clumsy back pedal.

Flynn understands this offense like no one else and has upside. We know what Moore brings, mediocrity. Flynn is risk/reward, Moore is ho hum, keep the same mediocre stats and 8-8 record. Just my opinion.

Peyton is obviously not coming to a team rebuilding.

Move on...

Steven Ross is the only one in this organization that wants Manning.

Philbin doesn't want him. he is obviously building his team to his liking.

Phins78,

Again you are right on the money at 2:08pm. Clay is the guy that I'm most excited to see develop. I still think Thomas can be a 1000 yard back for this team (there, I said it) but he's going to have to stay healthy. I don't ever see him as being a star but I think he could be a Sammie Smith type player for us for 2-3 years. In combination with Bush I'd be OK with that.

Phin78,

So Ireland bears no responsibility for ANY of the personnel decisions that were made except for last year??? That's a joke. I guess the Marshall trade from Denver is on Parcells too right since Parcells didn't walk away until after FA & the draft. Do you remember that Dansby signed in part b/c Parcells pursued him. Being from NY I know how Parcells operates & there is NO WAY he would have made that trade for a diva, malcontent with an absurd amount of off the field incidents.

I mean really, 3 years ago Ireland didn't even know which side of the ball Jake Long played on. But now he's running the team?

Kris, as usual, is correct. Of course a defensive stud would want to play for Buffalo, a storied franchise that is often a beast and which has a brutal weather home field advantage come playoff time. Plus they were close last year.

Once again, you regulars, you are completely clueless if you think whether a city is "cool" makes someone not want to play for Buffalo. Buffalo is like Pitt, Green Bay, New York -- die hard fans, kick*ss cold weather, nearly a dynasty a few different times.

You don't compare their buffalo wings with our J-Lo and homosexual atmosphere.

A stud DT or DE is honored to play for Buffalo.


All of the QB's are gone with the excveption of Flynn. Flynn is in Seattle now and they know that so Flynn will sign with Seattle today. They offer Sidney Rice, Marshawn Lynch and a lot of cash.
We're screwed.
Both Cleveland and J'ville pick in front of us and both can extort us because they can take the 3rd/4th QB's available and leave us with dick-fist which is where we were when last season ended.

Posted by: TheSMF

Chad Henne signed with Jacksonville ...dont think they are drafting a Q/B ... and seriously dont think cleveland will draft a Q/b with their first pick ... dont have anything to worry about man...

Come on man! Unless there is an invisible puppet on this team I don't see how Ireland is calling any of the shots. This has to be Ross. Only a person with zero football experience make these kind of calls over and over again.

, "A pillar of your defense or offense, your team." Ireland was asked if that was part of a smokescreen, to which he responded, "I'll let you guys decide."

Posted by: JackSparrow

>>>>>>>>>> The irony is everyone made such a big deal of the slip-up, but whether it was done on purpose or not, it DIDN'T MATTER. Miami had the 1st pick in the draft. Who were they trying to play poker with? They were just playing poker with themselves! #IrelandPokerMoves

no balls, I'm having trouble finding anyone who called Ireland a "draft guru". Seriously, google Jeff Ireland, draft guru and tell me if your search comes up with anything.

I don't ever remember ANYONE saying that. I remember them saying he was an up and coming talent scout. But how would anyone refer to someone who has been in charge of one draft in his career a "draft guru". Just doesn't make sense any way you look at it.

Phins78,

That's your first mis-step in a while (@2:17pm). I don't agree that Moore has a slow back pedal or release and I think there's very little between Moore and Flynn. Listen, I think all of us could argue this stuff for days, but IMO I don't see either one of these guys taking us to where we need to go. They're both adequate, middle of the pack guys. If we're talking risk/reward, that's why I'd go with a guy like Weeden. Is he well-suited for a WC offence? I have no idea. But I like his competitiveness, I like that he's able to make all the throws and I like his smarts. If he wasn't 28 years old we wouldn't even be talking about this guy. This is the guy I would roll the dice on.

Agree with the guy who bashed Dusty. It's between Dusty and Ozkar for the stupidest people here. I am serious, but you guys are too stupid to even get that I am right. You are total bafoons.

I expect the NY Jets to draft a QB in this draft (not first round though).

YG you are out of control today. Stop being a woman.

"Why is Ross keeping Ireland for the rebuild? He should clean the whole house not just one room."

Monte,

Polian won the NFL Executive of the Year Award SIX times & was fired for having one bad season after Peyton neck surgeries prevented him from playing PLUS there were a ton of other injuries.

However, we go 0-7 to start the season & we finish 6-10 which is our 3rd straight losing season & Ross decides to keep him??? Ireland is BEYOND fortunate that he still has a job. As for the fans we're going to find out how fortunate we are....

Clue is a close 3rd for the title of stupidest person here.

My biggest issue with Moore is the turnovers (especially fumbles). The guy can't seem to hold onto the ball...

Craig,
Weeden is assumed a top 2nd rounder. But may sneak into 1st. Most teams who want him are near the top, or middle. So we have as good a shot as any. If we get Flynn, I'd state my kids on it that we draft no QB at all. Hence my aversion to Flynn.
Manning would be a given to succeed him with a rookie this or next year.
We can definitely get WR Floyd in the first, np. Blackmon possible, but doubtful.
And 3rd-4th rounds hold several speedy/shifty/YAC type WRs that fit perfectly into the WCO. Not big, not powerful, but dangerous to score every touch. Like those.

So, that's why I hope we skip the Flynn-machine.
Besides.. the "projection"I quoted was from Aaron Rogers, not some analyst in a suit. I think Rogers and Philbin are the guys best suited to guess Flynn's worth.

Oh yeah, 2011 FA:

Ireland (not Parcells) brought in Moore, Burnett, and Reggie Bush.

As I recall those guys worked out pretty good too once our COACHING staff figured out how to use them

Get Flynn!!!!!!!!!!! Forget Manning. Following on the analogy of Mando dating conquests. The Phins got kissed good night, Titans got into a little heavy petting and the Cardinals and Broncos...well he spent the night.
Forget Manning! Please! Call Flynn and tell him you want him to forget the trip to the West coast and to " Come on Down" to SoBe, where the weather is hot and the women are hotter and Mr. Ross has a fist full of cash waiting on him.

"Jack when you quote someone you have to source your quote so that we may read it as well."--Phins78

Your google fingers broke?

Anyways, I'm not a reporter. I don't need a source. Just my eyes. THE EYES DON'T LIE!

2008 11-5
2009 7-9
2010 7-9
2011 6-10

SO USING YOUR OWN THEORY, we got worse under Ireland.

Could Ross and Ireland have found a worse coaching staff?

How can you say Moore has no upside?? You have to be a moron to say that. The dude is 27 years old, has had about 2 seasons. He has shown flashes. It is not clear that he's not a stud. Not guaranteed, but it's not like he's a career backup 37 years old.

He's younger than one of the college players some of you idiots want to draft.

Wolfman -- So do you want another year of Henne? I think Henne was given enough time to prove whether he was the man here or not. Time to move on. To compare Henne to Brees is ridiculous.
Posted by: No Balls | March 15, 2012 at 01:49 PM

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I'm not comparing "him" to Brees...I'm comparing the situation and saying that you and other Phin fans would have run him out on a rail just like the football illiterate fans of SD did

Personally, I don't believe Henne is a franchise QB. I do, however, think he is capable of more than he showed here in Miami and wish him the best of luck elsewhere. Sometimes a change of scenery is for the better...no way a bunch of idiot fans chanting "Orton" when you're starting your 3rd season as a starter doesn't get in your head. There's zero chance he could have success in Miami at this point....it's at least 50/50 elsewhere.

Phins78
Sorry...
"projection" comment from Aaron Rogers (@ 02:27)should've been adressed to you.

wolfman, I've never seen a pro QB worse then Henne. He made Matt Moore look like Joe Montana.

Rebuilding is when you gut the team. We resigned Soliai and traded a "Beast" of an underperforming headache.

This is not rebuilding. It's renovating.

JS, you're a pleasure to read brother

I've thought it for a while now, and now I'm going to go ahead and say it. I don't think Ireland is as much of dip$#it as most people on this blog want to believe. I believe that, if paired with the right coach (I'm hoping it's Philbin, it certainly wasn't Sparano), Ireland and his Coach could build a very competitive team.

There...said it.

no balls that is not what I'm saying. Of course Ireland had duties. The Gm has A LOT on his plate that doesn't relate to scouting and drafting. Ireland went and scouted players, he had other people with him and they also had extensive film work and notes that were brought back to Bill Parcells. The only reason he didn't go was because he knew it would cause a circus and would distract them from evaluating the combine. When college games were attended they were attended by assistant scouts who had a check list of details to write about on any player was interested in. That would then be brought back to Parcells and Ireland.

They sit in a room together and Parcells says "now look little Jeffy, this is how you pick players from the info you have, here's what you do".

Then Jeff would say well I want to get this guy and Parcells said "WRONG, Pat White is the player we are taking because he will amp up our wildcat". Jeff never really was GM in full because Parcells had final say over ALL player acquisitions. That was the way it was set up. Ireland was a gm in training.

So of course he had duties, the GM is in charge of so much that goes on in an organization. Bottom line is Parcells is a known ego maniac and he had final say on player acquisitions, period.

Remember (what was that freakin guys name from Jax or Car we signed, wr/te?) Yeah,,,,that was all Parcells, said he was going to be Miamis Keyshawn.

Craig,

You may be right about Moore. I don't know Flynn b/c I've only seen him start two games in the NFL. Once again I still don't get why Ireland wasn't more complimentary about the way Moore played after Henne got hurt since the upgrade at the QB position was obvious & substantial. Instead Ireland insisted that we NEED to upgrade the QB position. Well...That might not happen BUT the least he can do is upgrade the right side of the line & find some playmakers to make up for BM. All I'm saying is if Ireland drafts a DT in the first round then I might lose my mind for good.

Under Ireland, we should have rebuilt last year. Especially if Tuna screwed up everything. But we didn't. Matter of fact, we didn't rebuild under Tuna either. So therefore, Tuna and Ireland are one in the same. Same mindset, same philosophy, same old same old.

Yeah, there are those here labeling us whom our going by what our sees as "douches of dispair" and "gang of defeat".
Big talk from you guys that are going on "maybes" and "if". Not even an almost and almost only ounts in horse shoes. Have you ever asked yourselves, why is our battle cry has now always become "NEXT YEAR"?
Posted by: Yesterday's Gone | March 15, 2012 at 02:12 PM

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Well, let's see.....I don't personally recall how you feel about Philbin, but there are a lot of Douches of Despair out there that have already labeled him a failure. I can only say maybe and if....because that's all I know....not a single down has been played.

So....you can definitively say whether Philbin is going to be a great HC or not? You have some kind of magic ball or something?

All anyone can say is If/maybe....considering we're not football insiders or anything....just a bunch of idiots typing away on some blog. Maybe I'm missing something here....anyone on the blog affiliated in a professional manner with the Phins or the NFL in general? I thought not.

Douche Bags of Despair indeed!

Ross does not know NFL protocol but he will learn. He is a billionaire because he learns from his mistakes. The Dolphins know they will be going with Flynn in free agency. They also addressed denfense in the FA market so they can go with offense during the first couple of picks in the draft. They should go RT with the # eight pick then WR, then some pass rushers. That's my guess and hope.

I'm certainly not a QB guru but I know a good one when I see one & Moore was certainly an upgrade over Henne. Henne couldn't convert in the redzone & he threw too many INT's.

Dishpan,
Most appreciated.

Blog Fodder,
I'm not in disagreement, so not everyone is ready to toss tomatoes at you. BUT.. I think mr. Ireland's proof-in-the-pudding is this year, this free agency, this draft. I'll withhold praise or criticism until I see the final tally. Right now, difficult to call. B Marshall was a blow.

Matter of fact, we should have gotten better last year once Ireland brought Bush in. This, after getting rid of the (1st or 2nd) most prolific running tandem in Dolphin history.

See the pattern Phins78?

Get rid of good players and replace them with bad players. Bush didn't even show up until the last quarter of the season.

Promichael,

Let's hope you're right but like I said if Ireland dials up a DT with the first pick....Let's just say that he'll need the Secret Service to protect him in Miami.

Could Ross and Ireland have found a worse coaching staff?
Posted by: Monte | March 15, 2012 at 02:28 PM

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Case in point....poster child for Douches of Despair. Not a down has been played, yet this is the "worse coaching staff."

We Have Draft Picks,

You are right on. The difference in the whole TEAM when Moore took over was VERY noticeable, not just on offence. It's like the whole team believed in a QB for the first time again, probably since Pennington. Can that continue with Moore? We'll see. He should have earned that right, though.

That's just it we have draft picks, We don't know what Ireland is responsible for because the front office was set up in a way that Parcells had final say. I'll give you that Ireland COULD have been allowed to make some calls but we will never know. Therefore it is impossible to say for certain if those three years of blunders had anything to do with the man. I can only judge on what I know for sure.

I know for sure he was fully in charge oif last years draft and that is where I will start judging him from. The Dolphins graded out well last year draft wise. Am I to believe that he made all of those dumb decisions for 3 years and then all of the sudden last year had a good draft? And if so isn't that a good thing?

Thomas was the top rookie rusher before injury and people outside of Miami were talking him up. Clay excelled, Gates showed flashes, Pouncey=beast, Wilson is a ferocious hitter with a knack for the ball.

Just sayin

Jeff Ireland was named as the Dolphins’ General Manager on January 2, 2008. He joined the club after a seven-year stint (2001-07) with the Dallas Cowboys, including his last three seasons there as the team’s Vice President of College and Pro Scouting.

In his role with the Dolphins, Ireland is not only responsible for overseeing and coordinating the college and pro personnel departments, but also helps manage the team’s salary cap and player contracts. He supervises all scouting efforts that relate to the college draft, free agency, the Canadian Football League, and personnel of the other 31 NFL teams. Ireland works hand in hand with Head Coach Tony Sparano in implementing a personnel plan to build the Dolphins into a championship caliber team.

SOUNDS LIKE DRAFTING TO ME.

JS,
I do agree with that. I do think Ireland is out of excuses, out of good will, and out of people to take the fall for him.

It's sink or swim time.

Craig,

I'm okay with Moore. I don't care what the numbers say he played better than a number of QB's in the NFL including highly paid guys like Carson Palmer & Matt Hasselbach. And with coaches like Philbin & Sherman why can't he improve??? It was Ireland who came out & said we need to upgrade the QB position. Well John Elway could have said the same thing BUT he played in close to the vest.

Ireland needs to focus on giving our QB (whoever it is) the best chance to succeed. We have the right offensive coaches now it's about finding playmakers & find a RG & RT.

Also among the new faces Ireland brought on board in 2008 were 11 rookies who made the team, including eight draft choices, three of whom were in the opening day starting lineup. Long, the team’s first pick of the draft, went on to earn Pro Bowl honors at the conclusion of the season. Ireland added rookie talent beyond the draft, as Davone Bess had the second-highest single-season reception total in the last 40 years among undrafted college free agents in their rookie season, while rookie free agent kicker Dan Carpenter led the Dolphins in scoring.

SOUNDS LIKE HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DRAFTING TO ME. ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2008

What was our record in 2007????

wolfman, I've never seen a pro QB worse then Henne. He made Matt Moore look like Joe Montana.
Posted by: Anthony | March 15, 2012 at 02:32 PM

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Then you are a blind. To name a few, just from last year:

Rex Grossman
John Beck
Senneca Wallace
Dan Orlovsky
Painter
Josh McCown
Blaine Gabbert
Kyle Orton
Tarvaris Jackson

That's just off the top of my head. Henne played better than any of these guys in the limited time he played before injury.

If you're really interested, check out the stats on Brees' first 3 seasons in the league and compare side by side to Henne's...they're worse.

Sorry, he isn't the best QB in the NFL and certainly I do not believe he's a franchise calibre guy....but he isn't the worst. Just more Douches of Despair.

I agree.

I start judging Ireland by last year- his first offseason without Parcells.

In my opinion, both the FA and draft went well last year. I have every reason to expect another solid offseason now.

Resigning Soliai was a good start.

I don't know Craig, you may be right about Moore. I'm just saying what I see with my own eyes. He just seems awkward coming out of the snap. He throws the ball half side arm. I just,,, ya know it doesn't matter. Any way we look at it if people are seeing Moore as some sort of answer at the QB position I completely disagree. The argument is we don't have any tape on Flynn. I counter that we have PLENTY of tape on Moore and nothing says to me that he is ever going to be better than middle of the pack. So what do we do? Take a chance and sign a guy that has upside or stay the course and let Moore continue to lead us down the road of mediocrity?

Yes with a stellar defense Moore could get us in the playoffs with our schedule next season. Do we have a stellar shutdown defense yet? Who's playing FS? Who will take pressure off of Wake? Who's going to step up on defense and make game changing plays? Do we have any of those guys yet? If not Moore is not going to get us over the hump on our own.

I would just like to start taking risks on QBS. We gamble at every other position except QB and have had 17 in 13 years. Coincidence? Sign Flynn and draft another QB. AND THEN ANOTHER NEXT YEAR! Don't stop until you find the guy.

Or we can sit on our hands and proclaim Matt Moore the automatic starter because he's 'good enough'.

Weeden FTW

LOL!!! So now the 2007 card is being played? That pisses me off even more.

We missed out on Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Chris Johnson...just to name a few right off the top of my head.

Phin78,

Yes I agree with you. This appears to have been our best draft in years BUT it's too early to tell on Thomas, Clay, & Gates. I like what I saw from Thomas & Clay when they played but Gates had two catches last year??? What flashes???

Clearly we hit gold on Pouncey & assuming he stays healthy he's only going to get better.

"Ireland added rookie talent beyond the draft, as Davone Bess had the second-highest single-season reception total in the last 40 years among undrafted college free agents in their rookie season,"

HOW IS THIS IRELAND'S SECOND DRAFT? Why is he taking credit for Tuna's drafts then? Why won't he give credit where credit is due? He's taking credit for the good players and firing everyone else for the bad players.

..The more I think about the Marshall trade. The more I think that he was a casualty of the "New Regime"..This is probably stating the obvious here. I think that Philbin wants to create an a no nonsense-This is the way we are doing things now atmosphere. Nobody is bigger then the "team"..If you are going to play for this franchise you are going to be held accountable for your actions..

Now I understand it is nearly impossible to build a football team that are a bunch of chior boys. You have to have players with an edge..You can be edgy, you can press the boundaries a bit..But in the end if you cannot be a high charachter guy within the boundaries of the team..Your gone.. Perhaps Marshall was the example of the direction the team is going.

Feels like Manning is holding the entire free agency process hostage right now. Make a freakin' decision Dude!

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