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Alex Smith also not all that into Dolphins

More bad news?

How about this: Multiple sources tell me that the only way Alex Smith is going to sign with the Dolphins is if Peyton Manning goes to San Francisco.

That's right, even the jilted 49'ers quarterback would prefer to return to the team that jilted him over the Dolphins organization that on Sunday tried to recruit him to Miami. Smith's camp has made this clear to the Dolphins.

I suppose that is one reason they are today scheduled to host former Jacksonville quarterback David Garrard -- a quarterback that obviously does not rise to "franchise quarterback" status but is, well, a body.

I posted previously that the Dolphins should be wise in handling Smith because, frankly, he has been a good-not-great player in seven previous seasons. So the Dolphins must resist the temptation to go overboard on this guy because making a splash for the sake of public relations may soothe feelings short-term but is a long-term road to unemployment.

And there is definitely pressure on the Dolphins, particularly general manager Jeff Ireland, to give a public relations answer to what is a business approach. Peter King of Sports Illustrated wrote in his Monday Morning quarterback column that Ireland needs to do something out of desperation.

These are King's words:

"In the history of NFL general managers, Ireland is on the coldest streak ever. He needs to do something right. He doesn't even need to hit a home run. A seeing-eye single would do. That may make him more aggressive on Smith today -- and it may make Smith more inclined to go somewhere I don't think he really wants to go.

"Miami looks like the worst team in the AFC East right now. Would Smith rather rub it in 49er GM Trent Baalke's face and run off to a bad team, and would he rather pray for Manning to pick Tennessee or Denver and go back to where he's got the best chance by far of making a Super Bowl run? Ireland may have to do what he loathes -- overspend for an OK player -- just to deodorize the stink of the last few years in Miami."

So the pressure is on Ireland to pay, probably more than Smith is worth. Of course, if Peyton Manning decides to play in Denver or Tennessee, it is now clear he won't get that chance. Because Alex Smith doesn't want to play here that much.

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My Mom describes football as "a bunch of fat guys jumping on top of each other for three hours." And now I'm honestly thinking Jeff Ireland believes that's what football is all about too.
fins nation.
lol

Don't sign Alex Smith. Keep Moore and look to the draft.

I just saw a piece by Chris Mortenson on ESPN2 and he was talking about Flynn signing and others and he said that fins have a plan, but he can't figure it out yet, he said the fins are definitely up to something. I just about choked on my eggs and bacon.

Posted by: PA finfan | March 19, 2012 at 09:37 AM

Could you shoot a tweet out to Mort to call Ireland when he does figure it out? Ireland can use some help! lol

Don't sign Alex Smith. Keep Moore and look to the draft.

Posted by: mr.Tpain | March 19, 2012 at 09:44 AM

I 100% agree. There are some good QB's that will be definitely be there at 1-9 or perhaps even 2-9.


Read King's write up in today's Sports Illustrated. The section about the Dolphins is a long one and on the second or third page.

It shows the Dolphins to be a total disaster of a team for a decade.

King states, "Clearly, when Huizenga brought in Bill Parcells, who imported Jeff Ireland from the Cowboys, he didn't expect the disastrous personnel run that has ensued. (And the man who bought the Dolphins from Huizenga, Stephen Ross, didn't expect Ireland to ask Dez Bryant the sordid question about his mother's occupation in the run-up to the 2010 draft either.)"

The Dolphins need to dismiss Ireland as GM and give Philbin total control over football matters,including personnel, until a new GM is hired.

Otherwise, the 2012 and even 2013 seasons are going to be more of the same.

The end game for Ireland is in place. He stays-- even looks good-- if 1) Flynn does a Kevin Kolb, 2) Plan C (be it Moore, Smith, Garrard or a draftee) produces at least as well as Flynn, and 3) the team at a minimum seriously contends for a playoff spot. Failing these, I think we can be assured that even Mr. Ross will call it the end of Ireland's tenure. Though I'm skeptical, I truly hope the man comes up smelling like roses.

I hope we go 3 and 13 this year, and there are 20,000 fans in the seats, maybe then Ross will sell and/or fire Ireland as the GM.

This is the worst offseason in Dolphins history, no FA wants to be here, no coaches trust Ross. Were currently slated as the worst team in the Division. What has happen to this glorious franchise? WHAT? Sad state right now...

Ireland needs to go

FYI maoriii

SF is moving to a new stadium in Santa Barbara, 45 min-1 hr south of SF. Not on the bay. That is where their training facilities are.

we have no money nananananana
Ross is an IDIOT nananananana
Ireland is a dumbazz nananananana
Flynn went to seattle nananananana
we'll start o-10 nananananana
maybe 0-16 nananananana


geez I give up,thank god for baseball


Go PHINS,,,whatever.

MS. Ross and Jeff the Drunk have ruined this organization.
They are super successful at creating thousands of empty seats at JOE ROBBIE STADIUM!

The perception around the league is that something is rotten in Miami. True or not perception is reality and Ireland must go, now.

Funny how most of the posters on this board knew that a couple years ago and now everyone is just figuring it out. Too bad people within the organization don't actually read this blog like Armando has said. Could have saved a lot of trouble.

I hope we go 3 and 13 this year, and there are 20,000 fans in the seats, maybe then Ross will sell and/or fire Ireland as the GM.
This is the worst offseason in Dolphins history, no FA wants to be here, no coaches trust Ross. Were currently slated as the worst team in the Division. What has happen to this glorious franchise? WHAT? Sad state right now...
Posted by: Clue | March 19, 2012 at 09:51 AM

What changed from last week? Werent you the doofus ripping me for haveing a depressing, yet, realistic view of this team?

No need to apologize, your completely embarassing & hypocritical 360% spin is enuff.

I'm just trying to understand what the thought-process is with this FO? "Oh, we tried, but couldn't land anyone, so be it." I don't see that as being my thought. If Peyton was option 1, Flynn 2, now Smith I guess being 3, what option is drafting a kid? Or was that going to happen all along? Or was this all just some sick joke to get Moore's juices going?

I really can't see, psychologically, how a team in Miami's desperation for a QB, just lowballs these players and doesn't make a legitimate attempt to get any of them. Take the Redskins (no, not always the best team in terms of talent acquisition). But you have to respect, they saw Rex Grossman and John Beck was their QBs. They couldn't accept that. And they had almost no WR talent. So what do they do? FIRST SECOND of FA they take care of their QB situation (trading up to 2nd spot in the Draft) and grab not 1, but 2 (or maybe 3) WRs).

Again, I'm not saying we need to be like the Redskins, what I'm pointing out is how 1 team jumped right off the bat to fill their needs immediately, while the other team is acting like they really don't have any needs, and can fill them anytime (there's no sense of urgency).

And again, this isn't a Playoff team. This isn't even a team that's close. This is a mediocre, 6-10 team, with a brand new HC and a QB who's pretty much a .500 QB in this league. Doesn't on the face look like a team that SHOULDN'T be a little worried about their situation.

I'm just asking, WHAT THE H*LL IS THIS FO DOING?

180

If Smith is leaking this INFO then we need to CUT BAIY tight now....

The most attractive thing about Flynn was that he wanted to be the Miami Dolphins Starting QB....unfortunatley for Mr. Flynn...it didn't seem that Coach Philbin really wanted him all that much....

This is Bill Parcells legacy, talk about overpaying for Hype.

I'm just asking, WHAT THE H*LL IS THIS FO DOING?

Posted by: DC Dolfan | March 19, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Nothing

From PFT's FA Winners & Losers. A sobering write up:

6.  Loser:  Dolphins.

Peter King of SI.com chronicles a decade of bizarre personnel moves by the Dolphins, but the organization is now developing another troubling reputation:  anyone with options won’t opt for Miami.

It began last year with owner Stephen Ross clumsily pursuing coach Jim Harbaugh, which painted a vivid picture of disloyalty to coach Tony Sparano.  It continued in 2012 when Ross tried, and failed, to lure coach Jeff Fisher to town.  And it spread to the ranks of players in 2012, with Peyton Manning showing tepid interest at best in joining the team (even though some believed it was a done deal that he’d be a Dolphin).  Then, Matt Flynn’s decision to play for the Seahawks instead of former Packers coordinator/Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin did more than raise eyebrows — especially when followed by Steelers safety Ryan Clark proclaiming that “no one” wants to play for the Dolphins.

It’s possible that Philbin simply wasn’t all that interested in Flynn, and that Philbin knows  Flynn’s pair of high-end performances (one in 2010 and one in 2011) won’t translate to being an effective week-in, week-out starter, once opposing defenses have a chance to study enough of his film and figure him out.  If that’s the case, the Dolphins shouldn’t have even brought him to town for a visit.  By doing so, it creates the impression that they wanted him — and that yet again they failed to get their man.

Correct or not, there’s now a perception that no one of significant consequence wants to work for the Dolphins.  And the harder Ross tries to turn the page by making a “big splash,” the more likely it is that he’ll continue to swing the bat and hit himself in the face with it.

There is something wrong in Miami. Coaches no longer wish to work here. Players avoid coming here unless they are paid a premium or have no better options.

Some very good players express discomfort, and worse, about the vibe in the organization.

Writers, local and national, are also quite negative about the team, especially it's front office.

And there is the fact that on the field the Dolphins are a 6-10 team. And they have loss talent since then, not added it.

The draft? Any fan looking to the draft for comfort is not remembering how awful this team has drafted for the past decade.

Stay the course Ireland...DO NOT PANIC AND OVERPAY AVERAGE TALENT!!! Sign David Garrard at a reasonable price. Garrard is better than Flynn & Alex Smith...Check the numbers. Matt Moore & David Garrard are capable quarterbacks!!!

DC, other teams have experienced, competent GM's who aren't talent scouts disguised as GM's.

WE SUCK, maybe I'm a homer, I can't believe they'd just sit around doing nothing. And I'm not an Ireland fan. But I at the VERY least expect him to have some plan.

My best guess is these FA options weren't very high on our list (except Manning). And they were going to draft a QB the entire time. So this was all just show and games.

Anyone else believe that?

Jeeze...did I just walk into a funeral?
We should be 'HAPPY" we did not OVERPAY a back up with only two starts under his belt.

I'd take Smith over Flynn any day!

Heck, I'd take Moore over Flynn, but not over Tebow.

Which gets me to my next point...do the Ross/Ireland runaway train wreck make a play for Tebow if Manning pick Denver?

The media is as much to blame for Miami's image woes, so what if we have Matt Moore as our QB? he had more 20yd or more passes than anybody in the league last year, and no off season to learn the offense or get acquainted with receivers, I like the guy

Get your seats here! Cheap JOE ROBBIE STADIUM seats! Right here. Thousands and thousands to choose from.

DC, the fact that Manning interested them shows just how dysfuntional this team is & how bad the offseason plan was.

Miami hasn't won CONSISTENTLY in a decade. Why on earth would Manning, chasing a ring, come here? It made NO sense for EITHER side.

Ireland & the phins are an unitigated disaster. Ryan Clark knew it, Harbaugh knew it, Fisher, Manning, Flynn & on & on & on!

What our stupid staff should do right now is not to hire any QB, wait 'til next year and hire the best QB of the draft by doing exactly what the redskins did this year if necessary. Now that all the possible mistakes have done, the worst thing Ireland could do to this team is to hire a second rate QB just for the sake of it.
But Ireland is Ireland: stupidity is in his nature. Only God knows what this moron is going to do in detriment of this team just to prove Ross that he's doing something. And Ross...well Ross, you know.... no comment.

And the hits keep coming. But it's possible that this latest fiasco might be good news in the long run.

Seems to me some of this mess has to be getting through to Ross. Maybe Ross will fire Ireland soon. I can dream, can't I?

I must be one of the blind faith fan-bots because I'm relieved that they haven't signed any of these FA QBs. I still choose to believe that somebody in the building knows what they're doing and the reason they have these QBs visit and then leave is that they find they're not worth the money they're being offered by other clubs.

Who really wants the FO to sign Manning for $120M and 6 years? Not me. Who really wants to strap themselves to Flynn or Smith with a $8M/year (or more), multi-year contract. Not me.

I'd rather see them start Moore and draft the next QB...been saying that all along. That would be my preference.

Now, if they sign Garrard and don't draft a QB, I really will be wondering WTF they are doing.

Then and only then will I accept that they have no plan and are acting out of desperation. That's when I will jump on the inept FO wagon.

Doesn't all of this go away if we draft Tannehill?

The media is as much to blame for Miami's image woes, so what if we have Matt Moore as our QB? he had more 20yd or more passes than anybody in the league last year, and no off season to learn the offense or get acquainted with receivers, I like the guy

Posted by: Eddie | March 19, 2012 at 10:10 AM

How many of those passes were thrown to the guy just traded for a sack of peanuts & a dry tug job? Good luck replicating that success with Brian Hartline & Davone Bess.

Should have stuck with Moore (serviceable), resigned Henne (jags got him for 3 mil a year). As it is we get Moore and who? Garrard? Please. Maybe reach for Tannehill? He may be ready in a couple years. Suck for next year? An option. Everyone who has been saying how horrible Henne was, well it just got a whole lot worse.

IMO....if Philbin really WANTED Flynn to run his offense, he would have convinced Ross to pay for him.

Obviously Philbin is not as enamored with Flynn as we thought, or as much as the media hyped the connection between the two during their days in GB.

The QB in a WCO needs two things:

1. Quick release, Quick feet, Quick mind
2. Accuracy to hit crossing receivers on the run

We all watched Smith beat the Saints in the best divisional playoff game in the last 10 years using both those traits.

If Philbin thinks Smith is the best trigger man for his WCO, then pay him!

Don't want Smith. And Dolphins OBVIOUSLY were not in love with Flynn. I still think Fins are targeting Tannehill.

Speaking of Irelands address!! I hope it changes real soon as far away from Miami as he can get!!!

Who cares about Flynn? Fukkin Christmas sweater.

I'm happy as a pig in shite right now. Let Seattle have Flynn, he's a life long backup.

Tannehill or Weeden and this offseason will be a success. Not the instant gratification of a manning or the press rg3 would bring, but it could still work.

And this is coming from someone who is as hard on Ireland as anyone.

Now if they don't end up with tannehill or Weeden, then I'm pissed.

Reality Check/We Suck, I'm trying to understand these guys. But honestly, I'm coming to the same conclusion as you too.

It's sad. I mean, there's mismanagement and then there's complete dereliction of duty. This could be the worst collapse of any FO EVER! If we go 1-15 again I shudder to think how bad of a scene it will be.

I just saw on ESPN rumors that the Rams might also be a player for Garrard. Well forget him then. Don't think Ryan Leaf has any suitors at the moment.

i am in the auto business so i compare irelands lack of good decisions to car auctions. there are many dealers in attendance and the most desirable vehicles go quickly to buyers who "can pull the trigger" quickly, recognizing their needs. price doesnt become an issue. but ireland is like the dealer who overthinks,doesnt act,then pays too much for a car no one wants later in the auction. philbin can only sit and watch the ineptitude of his gm.

Whining? Again? And all day too. Some of you are really going to waste your entire day in here writing the same exact complaints over and over? It's all been said already, what are you doing here, saying the same things again?

HEY, here's something, if you hate the team so much and think we should stop supporting them until Ireland is fired (and or Ross sells the team) then how are you going to accomplish that by loading fan blogs with thousands of posts? The team will just see that and applaud itself for having so many fans who care! DUH!

So if you're in here offering ideas, or talking about other team needs because we already have a decent qb in the fold then I can see why you're here entertaining yourself.

But the whining, moaning, belittling, over and over and over is not only annoying it's actually hurting your own cause. It's not the objective who "don't get it", it is YOU. Stop helping Jeff Ireland stay employed, ignore the fan blogs, stop buying merchandise, and stop buying tickets. If you're REALLY serious about your cause I would think this post has been a tremendous eye opener and I don't expect to see a lot of you back. But if you're still here later, whining, calling for boycotts, then it is quite obvious you are very stupid.

On the receiver front, we should sign Ted Ginn and T.O. This will give us veteran receiver help to fill in foe the loss of Brandon Marshall.
Posted by: bond, david bond | March 19, 2012 at 09:19 AM

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T.O. is busy playing in the IFL....if you can call it playing. He looked pathetic against a bunch of never have beens a couple weekends ago when his Allen Wrangler played the NM Stars.

what gets me is when parcells came here....why did he hire a gm? why not hire a coach and give them control over personal decisions? isn't that what he wanted when he was with the jets or pats, and that's why he ultimitly left? sounds a little hypocritical. something about....."if your gonna make the meal,you should be able to shop for the groceries."

if that is his philosophy....why didn't he implement it
there in miami? makes no sence.

after 4-5 yrs, the offensive line should be stable, it is not. after 4-5 yrs, the secondary should be stable, it is not. after 4-5 yrs, we should have a franchize qb in place we do not (henne couldve been, they messed with his head...made him too conservative, afraid to take chances.) if dansby is making 11 mil. this yr, why haven't they tried to restructure is deal? i know dansby has to be open to it, but have they even approached him?

they spend their salary cap space on other teams back ups, in hopes that they can become starters. this "looking for acorns" is getting anoying. pretty soon you field a team of back ups trying to compete with other teams starters....you can't win.

Well, at least it was fun watching Moore throw to Brandon Marshall in the endzone last year and we can still look forward to that...


...Oh yeah, no we can't.

Only the blind faith fan boys of Ireland want Moore and Tannehill...

They both are mediocre.

Why do homers love mediocrity and Matt Moore?
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Listen Test, which more than likely is a troll name. But i will indulge you. Why pay a lot of money to ole timer Manning (risk) Starting pay for a back up (Flynn) More money for Smith than Flynn was offered when in & years he has been well Mediocre. and Why waste a penyy on a wased out Garrard. Moore we know what we have, the only risk, he will get better and not cost the bank. This allows not only the Fins to acquire additional talent but leaves room to draft a QB. (thanks to DC) Ive jumped on the Weeden bandwagon. I say screw FA this year for a QB, lets move on to the draft. I would rather that, than Miami waste, I will say it again WASTE money on some retread FA, just because Ireland and Ross want to save face by signing anyone.

that should read (7)

I think the Dolphins went into the offseason planning on going after Manning and then drafting Tannehill with their first or second round pick. Then Tannehill has moved up the board and they now hope to get him at #8, but in reality he will be gone by then and they are stuck draft an OT or DE which they need but aren't worth the price at #8 so they will try to trade back and save money but they will be stuck reaching for someone at #8 who will be a bust in a couple years, classic failed plan by Ireland.

the regime will now spin the situation into we don't want to overspend on these qb's we didnt really want. peyton politely declined an invite to davie and made us fly to indy. flynn was polite and flew in to listen to a low ball offer. our GM and owner are clueless.

Ireland learned everything about being a GM from fatboy Parcels.

The over riding principle in his philosophy...VALUE!

That's why they passed on Matt Ryan in favor of Chad Henne...VALUE.

There is something to be said about not overpaying, but it can have a paralyzing effect in your buying decisions like greg z mentions above.

Paralysis through analysis!

If you take away all of the hysteria what actually has happened?
The team made a serious effort for Peyton, one of the greatest QBs of all time.
Secondly the team offered a carrer backup what they were willing to pay and he got a higher offer elsewhere.
That's it.

Mark, do you trust them to do whatever it takes to land either one of those? Because after the last 4 years, I sure don't. What if they don't move up to get Tannehill (if they get word Cleveland's taking him)? Or what if they wait too long to grab Weeden and someone else gets him? How much are they willing to risk to just get a body in there (and not THEIR guy)?

More importantly, when does this organization take getting on the WINNING road SERIOUSLY?

Whining? Again? And all day too. Some of you are really going to waste your entire day in here writing the same exact complaints over and over? It's all been said already, what are you doing here, saying the same things again?

Posted by: Phins78 | March 19, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Thats funny considering it's the EXACT same thing you do on a daily basis & are doing right now. Whine about others whining. Go away hyporcrit!!

NH...

That was like 4 things.....

Sick of the team being a laughingstock. Sick of not being excited for the new season. Oh well. I'll be a phins fan till I die. Lets get this season going

And no to Alex smith! Move on to the draft. Tannehill or Weeden and lets go!!!

Boy, Peyton Manning sure is phucking up a lot teams and their QBs, no? These guys like Ireland are like the teenage boys in "American Pie" who ejaculate based on just touching a boob. Pathetic.

Poor Alex Smith, Tebow, Moore.

Like I keep telling you, football men are not rocket scientists. They are the same dumb jocks they were in high school. Remember?

Also, chill out. Only 5 teams have the top 5 QBs. The rest of the teams are in the same boat as us. We are not so terribly pathetic any more than most other teams. Have faith.

Sigh :(

All of this is a message from the football gods....draft your own QB already! It will break the curse.

Unleash The Tebow!

DC, your posts remain way too long, and you remain a tool.

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