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Peyton Manning facts and speculation

Let's separate facts from speculation this morning because there is much of both swirling around the Peyton Manning derby.

Fact: The Dolphins are in lockdown mode. The organization has decided and orders have been passed throughout the organization that no one is to speak to the media even under the cover of background or off-the-record conversations. People that normally answer my texts or emails are ignoring me now -- beyond my family, I mean.

Fact: One source that ignored the orders at least one last time before also shutting down told me the Dolphins still expect to speak with Peyton Manning before he picks a team to play for in 2012, assuming he's healthy.

Fact: Peyton Manning himself has not said which team, if any, are the leaders in his mind on where to play. He has not eliminated the Dolphins yet.

Fact: ESPN reported this morning Manning's two "likeliest landing spots" are Arizona and Denver," and that Miami "isn't as high on the list" as the other two.

Fact: Last I spoke with someon in the Manning camp, which was Friday, I was told it was Arizona and Miami the likely spots with Denver needing to make up ground. Obviously this was before the Manning visit to Denver.

And now some interpretation:

The Dolphins are not out of this yet. The Dolphins typically operate by having general manager Jeff Ireland telling the agent representing the player Miami is interested in not to speak to the media about Miami's interest -- an approach that almost always gets ignored because an agent's agenda, by definition, is to drum up interest in his client not diminish it.

In this case, however, there may be nothing wrong with diminishing the Dolphins because there is so much attention on Manning and so many team interested that not including the Dolphins in the conversation is not a hinderance to his marketability.

Moreover, when the Dolphins have previously gone into lockdown mode it is never to cover that nothing is happening, but rather usually to protect something that is happening. I believe the Dolphins want to play this coy because they still clearly believe themselves in the game and don't want to risk being eliminated.

I think they also might have gotten spooked by that report that Manning was upset by all the media attention in Miami. Guess what, folks? He got the exact same treatment in Denver when he arrived Friday night -- complete with Helicopter chase coverage -- and the Arizona media hasn't exactly ignored his presence, either. So the attention concerns still feels artificial.

This is a concern: Denver, by sheer consequence of having John Elway as president, had someone who speaks the same language as Manning with him constantly. That's a plus. Arizona, by sheer consequence of the fact coach Ken Whisenhunt is an offensive mind and has taken a team to the Super Bowl and has a longstanding relationship with Manning, has someone with Manning who speak the same language as Manning with him constantly.

I'm not sure who the Dolphins would put in front of Manning who speaks the same language. Owner Stephen Ross doesn't. Ireland has never played or coached. And unless I am unaware of it, neither coach Joe Philbin or offensive coordinator Mike Sherman have any sort of previous longstanding relationship with Manning. This is troubling.

The Dolphins could address the issue by having Dan Marino part of the team working to get Manning ... but I don't know if Marino would do that. I don't know if it would feel contrived since Marino really doesn't work for the team. I don't know if that's the best or only way to get past the issue of making Manning feel he's got someone in the room that speaks his language.

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beerphin,

Sorry buddy, but a qb whom himself is already a certain first ballot hof, cant be overshadowed by the likes of Marino and Elway.

Peyton ensured that when he broke Marino's single season td record and gained a sb championship ring. That championship also put him in rare air with Elway.

Manning's a first ballot hof'er just waiting on the retirement speech to happen.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dolphins had already tried to reach out to Marino for the interview process. It makes sense that they'd try atleast to give themselves the best opportunity to land Manning. Marino definitely doesn't hurt.

Redskins better pray that RGIII is a prophet from heaven this year and in the following years for what they gave up for him.....they've got some balls, I'll give them that....huge risk for a guy that has so much hype...just like luck

Yesterday's Gone, look at my last post om page 4.

It appears that many of you don't fully understand how the media works and are far too easily influenced by it.

Everyone has interests, from the organizations doing the reporting, to the sponsors of those organizations, right down to the person writing the article. One has to try to either decipher what those interests may be or not take the report as being anything more that a snapshot of what they think they know at that instant in time, which could have changed by the time you read it.

I'm willing to believe the Dolphins have a plan and will land Manning. They absolutely SHOULD enlist Marino to be there at the meeting in some capacity and he absolutely SHOULD do it.
Denver have proved themselves ruthless and classless in the way they have treated Tebow, its pretty obvious what their plan is, Elway never wanted Tebow but his heroics last season left him in a corner, he couldn't cut or trade him or risk the wrath of the fans so he chases Manning. Brilliant, if they land him Tebow will demand a trade, if they don't land him Tebow will be so pissed off he probably wants out anyway and Denver draft a QB that Elway does want.

I still have to believe Miami will make this happen somehow but have to go by the principle, hope for the best, prepare for the worst :)

Michael,

I appoligize, you were right. However, if Marino and Manning truly are great friends, then what Marino doesnt say. Says a ton. Because disappointing his friend(Marino) will be a huge monkey on his back when considering his decision. Whether Marino says anything to him or not.

First and foremost, would any superstar, franchise building player, join a team that pushed it's last unquestionable superstar out the door just because a previously failed coach wanted to? I doubt that, and why would Marino help them, I think he's already shown little interest in doing so.

Secondly the way they have treated Matt Moore and others does not exactly give you warm and fuzzies if you're looking for a last chapter in your epic resume.

Remember the clown car chasing Jim Harbaugh openly while Sparano was twisting in the wind? From everything I know about Peyton Manning, he is a relationship and loyalty type of individual and pretty low key. Neither of those are common traits in Glitz and Glamour Miami, much less within the confines of Flipperland.

Lastly, can he really see in Messrs. Ross, Ireland and Philbin the kind of NFL pedigrees that one can trust to build a real contender, real quick? I doubt that. Why would he subject himself to the battering he will likely take on the field and the subsequent and 24/7 fan and media harassment in his second home town, with no escape.

If you look at it from his perspective, this is a no-brainer. If he chose Miami, it would be dispositive evidence that he does not have a brain.

In closing, the fins should do something way atypical, coalesce around Moore. Do not go chasing down rabbit holes at highly questionable gambles (two game Flynn). In the meantime build around the existing, but limited core of quality and IMPACT players, and thereby being prepared next year to pull a Redskins type of major coup and lock down Barkley, having reinforced the team that will protect his fine hide and having Moore in there for a couple of more years allowing Barkley to grow and learn.

That is something Marino might look upon positively, helping grow the kid into a dynasty building QB. I believe he would do it, not for the team, but for the community he loves and lives in. For once build a team the way Shula and similar coaches did.....just saying.

Can we for once in the last 20 years see the team do something solid and sound. Just like the old days...the way old days...one can dream, can't one.

superPHIN,

It's going to be tough. There will be more pressure on RGIII this year than Luck. Think about it. The Colts didn't give up 4 picks for Luck and the Colts were 2-14 last year and just chopped all their vets. What's the expectation for Luck this year? 6-10? 7-9? 7-9 for RGIII means the 'Skins give up another top ten pick. I like this kid a lot but there types of trades never seem to work out in the end. The pressure will be on RGIII and Shananan form day one, where the Eagles, Cowboys and Giants are ALL better teams today than the 'Skins, with or without RGIII. Even Newton last year, despite have one of the BEST seasons all time for a rookie, could only get his team to 6-10, in a much weaker division.

Marino is a first ballot HOF QB as well already... not sure I follow. I understand the statement about Championships. Marino did atleast play in superbowls. I dunno it could be just nostalgia but I liked Marino's game better than Mannings'. Although during his era, Manning I've been impressed with the most as well.

Armando...

I saw your "interview" yesterday on profootballtalk and you are an actual goofball.... I suspected it from your articles... know we all know it...

You were obviously drunk / high, saying things you thought were jokes, then leaving dead air waiting for people to decide you are funny.

Most importantly though, you want us to believe that:
a- Ross is totally ego driving this and he won't use advice from his staff or even doctors
b- your inference that you are smarter than Ross
c- that Peyton is driven by ego and that he actually wants the south florida limelight

and now, you are making the statement that basically "forget all the stuff that's out there, because I know what's happening and no one else does"

the fact is... Peyton did a national tour yesterday and RETURNED to AZ for a FULL STAFF meeting today which he is still at as we speak.... you have to be pretty low in the intelligence scale to not see that for what it is....

oh and sports journalists... there's an easy to get job at the Herald....

why would manning want to come here and play for ireland? i hope peytons mom isnt a prostitute. we just don't have that credible FO.

Yesterday's Gone, oh yeah I agree. They play golf often. But as far as formal cousel is concerned, he's not going to do it unless asked.

Reporters get paid to write articles. It's high pressure. They just can't sit around waiting for a major story, they have to create stories. They do this by offering opinions, educated guesses and giving analysis. In the end, they are just trying to make a deadline and get the boss off their back. Most stories are nothing but fluff to feed the fan base so they will keep coming back.

beerphin,

If Manning goes to Arizona, you'll have to remember Kurt Warner took his team to the Super Bowl. That will be the expectation in Arizona too. So Manning will have that to deal with. I don't the pressure to succeed with be any less in Arizona than it will be in Miami or Denver.

Wow,

Some of you are now begging marino to be the wildcard for manning....thats pathetic and honestly beneath someone who has meant so much to this organization to pull out the ross red carpet and have marino do all the talking.....C'mon people

Might as well have ross and all his celebrity coherts try and pursuade him to miami....Im sure he'll love that....face it dolfans ross and ireland are no car sellsmen and they have very little in their favor to convince even the most over the hill type of qbs to play here....MOVE ON!!!!

greg z, you know that is so old. Like beating a dead horse.

overshadowed may be a wrong choice of wording. With only the end of a career to compare to an entire career here with Marino, I'd think most fans would agree Marino would still be the favorite all time QB in Miami. Maybe your right though if Manning had played his entire career here in Miami and won a superbowl here he'd be the favorite... IDK it's all speculation.

If Miami doesnt gets Manning, I rather see them go after Saints fa wr Marques Colston than go after qb Matt Flynn.

I just feel there's a great possibility Matt Moore could be better than Flynn over a 16 game season. So why not just add another great weapon(Colston) on the other side of Marshall. Than a guy(Flynn) who isnt guaranteed to beat out Matt Moore in camp.

superPHIN, geeeeee I wonder how he became billionaire. I wish I was so inept.

The most exciting thing Miami can do at this point would be to trade up for Blacmon. Everything else feels like another stale bread offseason.

Draft WR Justin Blackmon with the 1st and go after a righty for the O line and spend the rest on the D. Next year we need to Bark for Barkley.

Michael Floyd is Blackmon bigger and with more speed. And he'll be there at 8.

Barkley? remind me when was the last time a QB from USC ever did anything in the NFL? Palmer's couple years don't count imo he is terrible now.

You guys will think I'm crazy, I know some of you will say its already confirmed, LOL. But short of landing Manning, our best qb option is already in house.

M-A-T-T......................................M-O-O-R-E!

The guy had like 4 games with qb ratings past 100. This guy could be primed to have his first real breakout season this year. If we cant get Peyton, I rather roll the dice on Matt Moore than gamble $40-$50 million on "2 GAME WODER" Matt Flynn.

Justin Blackmon is going to be on the Sunday highlight clips for many years. That kid is a Play Maker and is going to dominate. We must not allow the Jets or Pats to draft this kid otherwise we are screwed for the next 15 years.

The team can spend the next three years building a solid collection of young players that can ride the wave with Barkley in the future, use their high picks this years and spend to start getting the right talent and by the time Barkley is ready for the big chair, they should have something resembling a championship caliber team. Trying to win tomorrow usually costs you the next couple of years.

Why spend the money to hire super expensive people that have had the wear and tear that comes with reaching that superstar status. Just go look at the Tampa Bay Rays.

I'd rather have two young guys battle it out - Flynn and whoever they draft - with Moore as a fall back position. Manning has two or three years left and the Dolphins aren't that close. Didn't we hire this coach to bring his offense in? Now they're going to run Peyton's offense? Doesn't make sense. Go with Flynn - draft the guy from Texas A & M or Okie St. or Boise St., keep Moore in the mix and move on.

The G.M. of the Chargers A.J. Smith said in Payton Manning regards:
“I do wish him the best in whatever the Manning family decides,” Smith said. “I don’t know why you would ask me. And I don’t know why anyone is asking Peyton. If you really want to know what’s going on — what trips he’s making and where he’s going to play — call Archie.”

The Poison drop?

Carson Palmer, Matt Cassel, to a lesser extent Mark Sanchez

I like Floyd he is a beast too. NYG it looks like blackmon won't make it past 5

Clyde,

I would trade the house for a qb, not a wr. Plus, bet your bottom dollar Fisher's taking Blackmon at #4. Bradford needs a major wr weapon.

We would have to trade up to #3 spot(Cleveland) to assure getting Blackmon. So this probably will cost two #1 picks and a 2nd rd'er. Too much to pay for a wr when Marques Colston is on the fa market and you already have Brandon Marshall in his prime.

RLZ, its going to take the first or second overall pick to get Barkley. You talk like he will just be waiting around for us to pick him.

I like Matt Moore don't get me wrong but I think Weeden or Tannehill will be better than he is now. Moore isn't old he could improve as well. You have to get someone to compete with him though to push him to that next level.

I don't think Colston is worth much outside of the Brees/NO offense. I really don't.

Here is todays ESPN Scout Incs top 32

1. Andrew Luck*

2. Robert Griffin III*

3. Matt Kalil

4. Trent Richardson*

5. Morris Claiborne*

6. Melvin Ingram

7. Justin Blackmon*

8. Michael Brockers*

9. Luke Kuechly*

10. Riley Reiff*

11. Quinton Coples

12. Mark Barron

13. Ryan Tannehill

14. Dontari Poe

15. Janoris Jenkins

16. David DeCastro*

17. Courtney Upshaw

18. Fletcher Cox*

19. Michael Floyd

20. Cordy Glenn

21. Dre Kirkpatrick*

22. Kendall Wright

23. Jonathan Martin*

24. Mike Adams

25. Jerel Worthy*

26. Andre Branch

27. Peter Konz*

28. Devon Still

29. Brock Osweiler*

30. Chandler Jones*

31. Lamar Miller*

32. Dont'a Hightower*

Elway is such a good VP that he had no other choice but to use Tim Tebow as QB last season. He is not the HC, but a front-office exec who wouldn't have much to do with the day to day involving Manning. I think the three teams are very similar in talent, but Manning growing up a Dolphin and Marino fan, and already living here will make the difference.

YOU GUYS TALKING TRADE UP FOR BLACKMON. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN MARQUES COLSTON IS A FA?

IF PEYTON DOESNT COME TO MIAMI, MARQUES COLSTON, NOT MATT FLYNN, SHOULD BE NEXT ON OUR FA RADAR. IT ISNT EVEN CERTAIN FLYNN WILL BE AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN MATT MOORE.

Matt Moore > Palmer > Cassel > Sanchez > Barkley? imo

Darga, with all due respect, you obviously did not read my entire post

"thereby being prepared next year to pull a Redskins type of major coup and lock down Barkley"

As in once you get to the point you pay the price.

No one expected the Redskins to nab RGIII. But they did.

Moore was really an Oregon State guy.


Matt Moore > Palmer > Cassel > Sanchez > Barkley? imo

Posted by: beerphin | March 11, 2012 at 03:20 PM

Barkley had a heck of a game against Luck this past season. Let's see how this season goes.

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From a team's marketing perspective, a Matt Barkley is a home run. Intelligent, articulate and Hollywood leading man looks. That my friends IS a perfect match for Miami

The national media will eat this up. he will be in high, and I mean real high demand for interviews etc. That will get a lot of buzz humming about and around the team. That will drive TV audience levels through the roof. It will fill the stands and merchandising revenue will sky rocket.

As a now retired global marketing senior executive for a fortune 50 company...I can honestly tell you that his name is even perfect. If this kid's talent is 70% of what's been advertised, he is pure marketing platinum.

Dolphin Dave, Your correct about Manning and playing in winter weather. But Seattle no longer has dome, that's gone. The new stadium is half dome, but field is open to weather and lots of rain. Denver would actually be better throwing stadium for Manning.

If I were running the team, I would pursue this path. Build the team, then go after and lock down Barkley.

Then in 2013 I would announce that they would only sell a limited number of season passes. Say maybe 85% to 95%. That is called an allocation.

Typically people want most what they cannot get. It creates a feeding frenzy. At the same time Joe Bag-o-Donuts feels he has a shot to see his team maybe once every year or so. That instills a feeling of ownership and relativity.

Community acceptance will grown and the positive imagery is priceless.

Enough, for a minute there, I forgot that I was retired. Hopefully you folks get my point.

Manning is going to look at his options from all angles, just like he plays the game of football. He will study the Coaching, schemes, opponents, owner, recent history of all these teams and the harsh truth is Miami is lacking/ behind in most of these categories. We need to fix the QB position long term anyway. Not put a who knows how healthy manning in there to sell some seats band-aid. I'm for whatever happens. But I'm not going to get upset if he winds up in Arizona or Denver. Everything happens for a reason Dol-Fans.


superPHIN, geeeeee I wonder how he became billionaire. I wish I was so inept.

Posted by: Michael | March 11, 2012 at 03:04 PM

inept at football yes...not in business...if it was just football business....I doubt he would be as wealthy especially in south florida as he is....just sayin!!!

YG,

I kind of like that move and I dont think miami will break the bank going for flynn, it really depends on how flynn views his market value, if its in the Kolb range, I would pass easily and I think most teams will...If I would guess anybody miami would try to sell hard for if they miss on manning(and they will) it would be Nicks or possibly even mario williams if miami doesnt feel flynn is worth the investment.................just sayin!!!!

BTW, If Ross were to do a 95% allocation, that would leave about 3800 seat or some $180k to sell at about $45 per seat. Under the $50 price point is hugely important for the purpose of consumer perception. Then you can have a couple or a dad and his kid, go to the game and park for about $100. Powerful optics in today's economic environment.

How did the Dolphins fall so far! Nobody wants to play for this team its f%#@ing sad.

OK, last post...

They would also have huge marketing partnership opportunities hooking up with local media and symbiotic advertiser and have Fins Family Fun Days.

Like 4 tickets, 4 hot dogs, 4 soft drinks and a program for $195 (under $200 price point). The food costs in hot dogs and cokes are under $1 dollar per person combined. Hot Dog prob .60 cents including cup, lid, straw and Ice.

Also have local businesses do similar packages to recognize community volunteers and the like.

make the city feel like their part of Dolphin nation again.

And will go a long way to breaking the glass against the Heat and Marlins fan enthusiasm.

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OK, last post...

They would also have huge marketing partnership opportunities hooking up with local media and symbiotic advertiser and have Fins Family Fun Days.

Like 4 tickets, 4 hot dogs, 4 soft drinks and a program for $195 (under $200 price point). The food costs in hot dogs and cokes are under $1 dollar per person combined. Hot Dog prob .60 cents Drinks will cost about .20 to .25 cts, including cup, lid, straw and Ice.

Also have local businesses do similar packages to recognize community volunteers and the like.

make the city feel like their part of Dolphin nation again.

And will go a long way to breaking the glass against the Heat and Marlins fan enthusiasm.

Denver has lots of Cap room, and could add some of Manning's ex-Colts, too. Denver is $50 million under the cap. They made it into the playoffs and won a game last year in the playoffs with a terrible passing game; so the road to the playoffs is much easier than in Miami. I think the 49ers are a very tough foe for the AZ Cardinals and the Cards are in the NFC. P.S. Make Tebow a fullback, and look out.

I see the wild card in this whole thing being Reggie Wayne. I am stuck up here in Denver. My information was that Wayne has already stated that he'd like to play in Miami. Is that not the case? And I also heard that where one goes, the other goes too. In my mind that would make Miami the obvious destination for Manning.

I live in Denver and this place is a circus because about half the fans up, if not more, are Tebow die-hards. I can't see Manning wanting to play in such an environment.

Arizona is in the NFC which would potentially pit him against his little brother in the playoffs.

That leaves Miami where he would get at least two shots at Brady every season.

Conclusion: Manning will be a Dolphin.

Go Phins!!!

Philbin, just sit back and watch this guy operate. The scout and Ross hired the right guy and I know our patience level is at an all time low but watch what happens. Watch our draft and watch our FA signings, we are gonna see some different things. I thought Manning was gonna be a dolphin from the beginning, too many variables in our favor I believe. Denver is leverage and Arizona couldn't block or tackle me. Peyton alone with Philbin for 15 minutes and it's OVER, two smart classy guys who will hit it off and have a plan.

Art Marrero, you are hilarious, and I love your comment. It is obvious ypu either are involved in sales and marketing, or had been and are retired. Either way that comment is from a smart business standpoint and it is dead on. Manning will be back today from Arizona, rest up, sleep. Tomorrow he meets with Miami, and by noon he has a contract signed with the Phins and its on ESPN.

Ross better enjoy having only 25,000 season tickets if Moore who blows is the QB next year.

Only blind faith fools will continue to waste money on the team.

Moore is terrible.

Check out the Pats schedule. Manning will be playing for a wild card only. Az or denver you can win the division too.

Beergod; you are either delusional or a Brady fan. Phins match up well against the Cheatriots without Manning. With Manning we take the division.

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