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Riley Reiff to Dolphins at No. 8? Are you kidding?

Riley Reiff is a good football player, OK? I have nothing against the offensive tackle from the University of Iowa. I have watched a couple of games in which he has played and he's always performed well enough.

And that, coupled with his size and ability and smarts, is a reason he's considered a top of the first round type of talent. But to the Dolphins? Are you kidding me?

God, I hope not.

Seems Reiff to the Dolphins is a popular stream of thought among NFL draft analysts. ESPN's Mel Kiper penciled Reiff to Miami in his first and only (so far) mock draft. NFL Network talent analyst Bucky Brooks similarly has Reiff going to the Dolphins with the eighth overall selection. And NFL Network reporter Steve Wyche has the Dolphins picking Reiff as well.

I get it.

Reiff is an offensive tackle. He's perfect for the Dolphins to fill the void at right tackle -- even though he played left tackle at Iowa. And, of course, his connections to Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz makes him a natural for the Dolphins because Miami coaches Joe Philbin and Mike Sherman know and respect Ferentz and value his players.

But ...

Riley Reiff, for all his attributes and gifts and the logic of filling an obvious void, would be a terrible pick for the Dolphins at No. 8. Why?

Value.

There is simply not a great deal of value of picking a right tackle in the top 10 selections of the draft. No, there's no rule that says this is a fact. No, there's no philosophy or statistic that has proven this to be the case. But work with me for a second and let me state my case ...

{UPDATE: Since posting this, I got a call from an NFL scout who reads the blog and he told me he has Reiff as a guard. And he said he's not alone in the thinking. So there's that.]

The draft is not only picking the right players, but also getting them in the right round to maximize their value. And in the top 10 a team with so many needs as Miami has should not be investing on a player that neither will score points, nor prevent points from being scored. The offensive right tackle will never, not even on his best day, throw a TD pass, or intercept a pass, or sack the quarterback, strip him of the ball and run it in for a TD. He will never make a game-changing play.

And that game-changer is the only kind of player that brings value to a team in the top 10 picks.

Said another way, I want my team to pick a quarterback, a cornerback, a wide receiver, a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE. I want playmakers drafted in the top 10.

I do not want grunts.

Grunts are wonderful additions later.

Why?

Because grunts don't lead a team to the playoffs or the Super Bowl. Playmakers lead teams to the playoffs or the Super Bowl.

That doesn't mean I am against drafting offensive linemen later in the first round or anytime after that. And some special offensive linemen deserve top 10 consideration depending on a team's relative needs and whether the player is a left tackle or center.

But a right tackle? Or a guard?

In the top 10?

Quick, who was Green Bay's right tackle this year while they went 15-1? Quick, who was the last right tackle to be named NFL MVP or even his own team's MVP?

Yeah, thought so.

A top 10 pick is a premium, premium draft choice. It should be used to select premium, premium NFL playmakers.

And right tackles, no matter how gifted, do not qualify. Reiff, by the way, is No. 77 in the video below.

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Thanks Craig and DC.........

I just think one of those QB's sound more likely at this point.

Pass rush helps the entire defense, including young D-backs that still need to prove themselves

Steve, you are right man..but I also think no matter what that Ireland shouldn't be here in 2013...he needs to be out on the curb along with the remaining Parcells garbage

Lou,

We're saying the same thing. Pass rusher is what I want to see too. I just don't think Reiff at 8 is the disaster that some people are making it out to be. I think he'll be a good player in the NFL and if he were part of the plan to eventually move Long for a QB, I'd be fine with that. Having said that, this is like a plan D or E for me.

I agree Ohio. If they aren't going to upgrade the secondary, next best thing to help is get more pass rush.

Then again, we'll see what the new DC does with the secondary, that's supposed to be his forte.

I saw a mock draft last night on NFL Network where Tannehill went to the Redskins @ #6.

...that was the same one having us picking Reiff @ #8.

Well, Armando, i said this yesterday:
If Manning goes to Miami, the game changes. Cap space gone, can't sign adequate FA RT with what you got, so draft is only real avenue. Manning is fragile, and the investment will be high. Bob's your uncle, we draft a RT top round.
Yup.
It sucks, and I hate it. But I think the experts are right on this one.
And since we can't fill our roster needs in FA, we'll have to draft them. Bob's still your uncle, we skip QB this year too.
We'll procrastinate till next year, and notice that the crop seems slimmer than this year - has to be with the two freak-of-nature QBs on the top of this one pushing the rest of the candidates down the rounds. Plus our draft position won't be as high; expecting 15-20 as the usual mediocre teams are.
So there it is.
Shake your head and gripe (as many of us are) but I don't think we have a choice but to accept it.
Ross has told us this is what we want.

Kris and Clue,

That's what makes me cautious about Coples too. I've heard that about him also. If there's any truth to that he's not the guy I want either.

Someone said Ingram has short arms. Geez guys, I suppose we could criticize something about every one of these guys if we really wanted to. There's no slam dunks when it comes to the draft. He fills a need and when you look at the best pass rushers in the draft he's right at the top of the list. Your plan would be what? Draft a guy in the 3rd or 4th round? Brilliant!

I say if we can get a trade down with Cincy to 17 I take it in a heart beat. We can get Mercilus at 17 and he's just as good as any of the pass rushers coming out. Plus we then pick up an extra 2nd rounder.

But, but, but...
Armando, please DO continue to gripe. Someone has to who has an actual voice.

The best thing for the Fins to do is to trade down and get a pass rusher or even a DT even if they stand pat. If your getting an Olineman I think Jonathon Martin from Stanford would be a better pick than Reiff.

ok...so trade our number 1 this year and number 1 next year plus brandon marshall for the number 2 pick...I think that this is fair and really a great deal..st. louis gets there wide receiver and an extra number 1..heck..let's through in vonte Davis and that is that!
Posted by: Joe | March 01, 2012 at 11:59 AM

You sir are an idiot. Maybe Marshall and our #1 for the #2 pick but I still wouldn't do that, with the right QB Marshall would become a top 3 WR. Even if you're being facicious it's still stupid

So by all accounts the Colts have to make a decision on Manning by next Thursday. How do you guys see this playing out, assuming they release him? Can the Dolphins examine him and watch him throw? When does the new season start? How soon do you think he signs a contract with someone? Do teams go hard after him with an incentive laden contract or do they sit back and be cautious? I'm assuming he'd have to pass a physical in order to sign a contract with someone.

I'm guessing we'll be get more of this from Armando soon.

I will flip wig if they draft this guy #8 overall. Trade down with some team that is desperate for a LT like Arizona. Defense they gotta go Luke Kuechly or Dontari Poe.

IMO Reiff at 8 is not a bad pick it just has no value. He's a very good tackle just not good value because of where Miami would use him. He would play RT and if they don't think Murtha can handle that or Jerry then they can get a guy later in the draft.

Craig...
Colts release him.
Miami signs him
He passes his physical
We make the playoffs

What about...
..crazy scenario, I know, but HOW crazy? ...

1. Redskins land Manning. Snyder is a beast in getting what he wants, and he wants big name, ticket sales, and championship caliber immediately. Plus Peyton won't be fighing against a WCO coach on how to run the offense. Win win for both.

2. Cleveland signs Flynn, who allows them to use their two firsters for some serious weapons - they have very little. Win win for them.

3. Seattle is now our main compettion for RG3, and they don't necessarily have enough leverage to beat us. We offer Rams exactly what they asked for (2 firsts, and a 3rd and 5th). If they say NO, then we let them sit on their pick, and offer Cleveland some extra picks to move into their slot. Cleveland may like the idea of even more draft options. Rams take Kalil and call it a day, and we give up less than what we offered the Rams for RG3.
Crazy?
Maybe.
But not insane.

Honestly I know everyone is going to jump down my throat and say it won't happen but I think Justin Blackmon will be available #8. The reason he didn't run his forty was supposedly cuz a hammy... I believe he will run a higher than a 4.5 so his stock might drop a little bit. That IMO is a mistake becuz as you can see his strengths lie elsewhere than speed. Best hands and body control I've seen outta a WR since A Johnson.He knows how to create distance and is great YAC guy. If I were them I'd be trying to bring the Oklahoma st Cowboy connection to Miami. Blackmon in the 1st Weeden in the 2nd.

NHFINSFAN,

I like the way you think man...

Ok, I'm going to surprise some people here and completely disagree with Mando's opinion.

OT (right or left) certainly do have value in the top 10. Do they have value if you don't have a qb? No, absolutely not.

But if we sign Manning and have Long on one side, Reiff on the other, and Pouncey protecting the pocket from the middle, do you think we care about other teams pass rush? Do you think other teams will be quick to blitz?

And I can think of only one scenario though where the Reiff pick makes sense though - if we sign Manning, and it is deemed that Murtha nor Jerry can man the position.

Otherwise, if we get a qb from outside of the draft, I think cb, wr, or pass rusher would be as a good a pick as Reiff or Martin. It is up to the GM to decide who is the best available player (who isn't a guard or running back or inside linebacker) and take him.

There is no value at #8, EVER, in taking a RT.
It would be dumb.

Manning or no Manning this team needs more playmakers and you can't waste an opp to take a top ten player in the draft on a RIGHT TACKLE

The good teams in this league, the ones not coached by Tony Sparano, don't invest all first rounders on their offensive lines

look it up. the argument that "we have to get this O-line right" is hollow, cliched, and makes excuses bad coaching. it's finheaven thinking at its worst.


Tony Sparano could have 12 first round picks on the O-line and it still would be sub par

ESPN speculating that the Colts will keep Manning and draft Luck. Reports keep surfacing about his improved health. Trade our picks, do what it takes, get RGIII.
Waste no more time. The clock is ticking. Another O lineman in the first round? Really? Get the playmaker that will change the NFL next year AND the future. Another lackluster year, and the franchise could be in trouble, serious trouble. Get the excitent back. Do it Mr. Ross, Mr. Ireland. Do it now. Pull the trigger.

I'd even trade my 3rd and 5th rd picks to move up a couple slots to grab him if need be

I say, come draft day, Cleveland will be looking to trade down out of the #4, instead of looking to trade up. They have numerous needs on that team and they could pick up a number of wr's, a running back, o-linemen, etc. that could help their team.
Cleveland isn't just one or two players away from getting it together.

Sorry, important I correct this word-EXCITEMENT. As in, get it back.

To NH FINS FAN-

Belichick has what, 2, first rounders on his O-line??? Mankins and Nate Solder.

You have to remember the Pats have had multiple first round picks lately and they still only have 2 guys on their line who were taken in first round, and we're talking low in the first round, not at #8

Belichicks team has many more playmakers than we do so he could even afford to take more OL high

Miami is not in that kind of spot now

Reiff has short arms, looked like an OK not great athlete at the combine, didn't run that well and tested OK. how is he a top 10 pick?

because we have a need at the position?

Not good enough.

I don't see the Colts keeping Manning, I don't care what ESPN is saying (you can throw this in my face next week when he renegotiates with them and stays there). Paint the picture for me....

They've fired his coach, the GM who drafted him, his OC has retired and they are about to draft his replacement. On top of that Wayne is a FA, Mathis is a FA and the talk is Dallas Clark might retire. This was a 2-14 football team last year and not just because Manning didn't play. They have LOTS of holes. So Manning says to them 'Thank you. You can chop my bonus and let's put it all on the line and go win a championship'. I just don't see it happening. No idea why he would do it and no idea why the Colts would stick Luck on the bench.

The more I think about it the more I wonder if Richardson would even go in the top ten. Running backs aren't valued early in the first round the way they were in the past due to the short length of time they play for in the league. He may end up falling into the mid first before he is chosen. After Luck and RGIII I think everyone else is going defense, wr's and o-line into the middle of the round. Richardson may not end up off the board until 12 or later. JMHObservation.

I've seen a number of mocks with Reiff going to the Phins....been seeing them for awhile, so I'm wondering why this is really "news" worthy.

Personally, I think most mocks have him going to the Phins due to most boards have him pegged right around 7th BPA, and have other top 10 playmakers off the board when Miami drafts at 8. We all know that teams talk about BPA a lot...but ultimately draft based on a combination of need and BPA.

Personally, I don't see it. While there is a need there, it's not like this line stinks. We have to fix the RT position, and that's about it. This can be done elsewhere in the draft or FA. Like Armando said, who was GB's right tackle.

I could only see this happening if there was seriously something wrong with Long...this guys a LT and ranked the 2nd best LT on every board I've looked at. He will play LT in the NFL as well.

Personally, if they weren't able to trade up for RG3, I would say either trade back or make a tiny little reach for Michael Floyd. Most boards peg him at #13 BPA....I'd make that leap. This guy was awesome a ND and really wowed at the combine.

I know I keep saying SF was an exception and not the rule in building a winner in the NFL but they had three first round picks on their offensive line including picking a right tackle at 12 or thereabouts.

Just interesting to note.

Solder doesn't even start for pats Veldheer does and he was like a 4th rd pick

He might now that Light is considering retiring

Lou,

I don't see Richarson going top ten. I like the kid but don't see the value in taking him there. I have him going at 12 to Seattle (unless they resign Lynch) or possibly to the Jets at 16.

Aj, the Patriots don't have ANYONE at ANY POSITION drafted very high - other than what- an ordinary Jerrod Mayo drafted in the top 15.

I agree alot with "Ohio" like my post yesterday< If and only if you get Manning you take the best tackle on the board if and only if that issue is not addressed in free agency. right tackle may not make any spectacular plays but he could allow Manning to make some and help keep from re-injury.Also if Long goes down you have a viable replacement temporarily. Sorry guys RG3 is too expensive as much as I like him. Best scenario: get Manning and Reggie Wayne along with a good RT in free agency then draft the best pass rusher on the board.

err I meant Vollmer not Veldheer i think he is a raider.

Craig M, DE with short arms typically cant get off there blocks against NFL o lineman. Couples even with his questionable work habit is superior. I hope we dont draft neither, prefer RG3, prob only come through in my dreams though

Agree, Richardson won't go top 10. I don't know of any team that is DYING to add a running back. Even the best of them all Adrian peterson's talents are being wated away and he may never be the same. Somebody probably should've tried him at a different position in college.

Murph...right now on our depth chart we have Colombo & Garner at RT.

We have an immediate need since we are cutting Colombo from the roster.

The argument of the day and the theme of the blog is: Do we use our #8 pick to fill that need?

I would rather draft the next Zach Thomas in Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College over Reiff...but that's just my opinion.

Ireland may (and will) see it differently.

Sorry I meant I agree with Kris in part in my post not "ohio".

Don't put much credence in what ESPN speculates either, just reporting what I heard. It doesn't matter to me where he goes. I have the highest regard and respect for Peyton Maninng. He is a future hall of famer and a great guy. Probably does have a few good years left. But, one hit, one a healthy player could take, could send him into retirement. We need the future of the franchise. We need the best impact player we can get on offense. His trade value they say is worth a number one pick? Well, duh...Ya get what ya pay for. Go get him.

Freakishly Long arms is what makes Jake Long so dominant, once thoughs arms lock on a DE,they become a statue.

One hit and he could be driving his Jazzy by blowing air thru a straw.

You guys have 25 different players all going in the top 10. Get real.

Clue,
It's not spelled "thoughs". It's spelled "doughs".

Manning going to announce his retirement tomorrow. One less thing to debate.

Trade down, load up.

Seems to me it doesn't matter WHAT Ireland does he'll be criticized. If he adds Manning people will say he should have sold the farm for RGIII or added Flynn. If he sells the farm for RGIII, people will say he should have added manning or Flynn. It's a no win situation. What none of us have a clue about is what the coverasations with other teams are all about. It's a thankless job and if I was Jeff Ireland I wouldn't go near a Dolphins blog or newspaper on the team. It's can't win territory for this guy. Nothing short of a Super Bowl will be good enough for most fans.

You guys have 25 different players all going in the top 10. Get real.
Posted by: Reality | March 01, 2012 at 01:15 PM

I just counted. I only have 17.

Reports are the Jets are interested in Chad Henne. WOW that would be a story!

We should trade down.Maybe pick up a sec. rd. pick We currently don't have.And select an OL later in the first rd.Or a Tannehill or Weeden to go along with Our FA qb acquisiition.

Agree Craig M...

But it goes with the territory...

The Coach gets payed millions....Ireland is the coaches BOSS...so its safe to assume he is well compensated for all of his troubles....

Craig,
I don't think Ireland pays any attention to what the blogs or papers say. I'm not so sure he could read, for one thing. But seriously, every time he is interviewed by guys like Omar who ask him about the plane flying over the stadium with the "Fire Ireland" banner he either plays stupid or could care less.

Kris,

Agreed.....I'm just stating the obvious.

Very likely we take a pass rusher with the #8 pick. It's our greatest need next to QB.

ozkar,
Miami does have a 2nd round pick.

Stop commenting on chump chad henne's future whereabouts.Good riddance to that Fool's Gold.

we're just expressing opinion here, I think that's the purpose of this blog. I've read plenty of yours. Ireland has the job, criticisim and accountability come with it. That's life. In my humble opinion, Go Get RGIII.

I thought We lost it when We move up to acquire Daniel Thomas?

Someone probably mentioned this earlier, but this is an excellent way for us to shed the Jake Long contract. We can get a good LT for about 25% of what we are playing JL. I love the guy but like you said, you cant have all that money tied into your OL. So draft reily, parlay Jake for extra draft picks and keep the train a chugging.

There is some moron going around in circles talking to himself, pathetic blog.

Posted by: Dolphan81 | March 01, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Guilty as charged!

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