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Riley Reiff to Dolphins at No. 8? Are you kidding?

Riley Reiff is a good football player, OK? I have nothing against the offensive tackle from the University of Iowa. I have watched a couple of games in which he has played and he's always performed well enough.

And that, coupled with his size and ability and smarts, is a reason he's considered a top of the first round type of talent. But to the Dolphins? Are you kidding me?

God, I hope not.

Seems Reiff to the Dolphins is a popular stream of thought among NFL draft analysts. ESPN's Mel Kiper penciled Reiff to Miami in his first and only (so far) mock draft. NFL Network talent analyst Bucky Brooks similarly has Reiff going to the Dolphins with the eighth overall selection. And NFL Network reporter Steve Wyche has the Dolphins picking Reiff as well.

I get it.

Reiff is an offensive tackle. He's perfect for the Dolphins to fill the void at right tackle -- even though he played left tackle at Iowa. And, of course, his connections to Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz makes him a natural for the Dolphins because Miami coaches Joe Philbin and Mike Sherman know and respect Ferentz and value his players.

But ...

Riley Reiff, for all his attributes and gifts and the logic of filling an obvious void, would be a terrible pick for the Dolphins at No. 8. Why?

Value.

There is simply not a great deal of value of picking a right tackle in the top 10 selections of the draft. No, there's no rule that says this is a fact. No, there's no philosophy or statistic that has proven this to be the case. But work with me for a second and let me state my case ...

{UPDATE: Since posting this, I got a call from an NFL scout who reads the blog and he told me he has Reiff as a guard. And he said he's not alone in the thinking. So there's that.]

The draft is not only picking the right players, but also getting them in the right round to maximize their value. And in the top 10 a team with so many needs as Miami has should not be investing on a player that neither will score points, nor prevent points from being scored. The offensive right tackle will never, not even on his best day, throw a TD pass, or intercept a pass, or sack the quarterback, strip him of the ball and run it in for a TD. He will never make a game-changing play.

And that game-changer is the only kind of player that brings value to a team in the top 10 picks.

Said another way, I want my team to pick a quarterback, a cornerback, a wide receiver, a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE. I want playmakers drafted in the top 10.

I do not want grunts.

Grunts are wonderful additions later.

Why?

Because grunts don't lead a team to the playoffs or the Super Bowl. Playmakers lead teams to the playoffs or the Super Bowl.

That doesn't mean I am against drafting offensive linemen later in the first round or anytime after that. And some special offensive linemen deserve top 10 consideration depending on a team's relative needs and whether the player is a left tackle or center.

But a right tackle? Or a guard?

In the top 10?

Quick, who was Green Bay's right tackle this year while they went 15-1? Quick, who was the last right tackle to be named NFL MVP or even his own team's MVP?

Yeah, thought so.

A top 10 pick is a premium, premium draft choice. It should be used to select premium, premium NFL playmakers.

And right tackles, no matter how gifted, do not qualify. Reiff, by the way, is No. 77 in the video below.

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I'm wondering how high guys are on Dontari Poe. The guy is a complete freak of nature and I've heard comparisons to Ngata and JPP (yes, I know they are different players). I know he set the world on fire at the Combine but I'm wondering if he fits on this defence and if guys think he'll still be there at 8.

Thoughts? Should he be part of the discussion at 8?

Better not grab an OL in the first round. Plenty good ones will e left in the second. Let's get a qb or dominating wr or FS or pass rusher. Get a game changer. Misi and oderick are not good pass rushers at all. Wasted picks.

Well good then.Let's still trade down and get the value Salguero is so adamant about.

I believe Richardson will go in the top 16 barring a trade. So with that said teams with a huge need at RB will be wanting to trade up if they are not picking before the 16th pick. The teams I feel are needing RB are Buffalo at 10, KC at 11, Seattle at 12, Arizona at 13 and the Jets at 16. The Jets not as bad as the others but LT is getting old and there other back is a journeyman at best.

Cincy on the other had has a huge need at RB. So if they want to draft in front of all these teams to make sure they get their guy. Carolina would be the most logical but Miami fits in there too.

So that is why I say Cincy may be wanting to trade up this draft and have the picks to do it so it doesn't hurt their draft.

They have Dalton and Green at WR and there OL isn't too shabby. They are a Richardson away from playoff success. :)

This is the reasoning for my trade scenario. It may not fly but in my crazy mind it works.

Whether Ireland decides to pay the price for RGIII or not could ultimately depend on how he approaches free agency. If they get help on the offensive line and get a pass rusher he may take the plunge. It's still highly doubtful he would be that aggressive but you never know.
Personally, I would rather see him build a team thru the draft with the picks he has. The #8 is a good position to be in this year. They should have no problem getting a solid player who will contribute from day one.
In the 2nd round, I could see him possibly moving down a little to try and accumulate another pick or two.
Nobody knows what will happen but it should be interesting to see come draft day.

Stop commenting on chump chad henne's future whereabouts.Good riddance to that Fool's Gold.

Posted by: ozkar | March 01, 2012 at 01:27 PM

That's the funny part. If he goes to the Jets, he is probably better than Sanchez. That's not saying much obviously.

Would Ryan & Tannenbaum be objective enough & let him start or do they stick with that fraud Sanchez? Trying to force feed him down Jets fans throats like Ireland & Sparano tried to do with Henne. Would be fun to watch.

Texas,

I don't hate your draft scenario but who would you have the Dolphins pick at 17?

Like Bart Scott said"Can't wait" Prof.Lou.

I agree, we need a playmaker at #8.

Personally, I don't like running backs anywhere in the first round. To me, if you're picking someone in the first it's got to be at a position where they could be a game changer or they will give you at leat 10 solid years.

It doesn't matter to me who the jests start.Chump chad or sanchez.Both are only serviceable back-ups.Both franchise would have had better success if they would have stayed away from them.

lol

Quick, how far would a successful team get with Columbo on their line?

Yeah, thought so.

2-14

Of course, Manning will probably agree to a performance incentive contract leaving cap space to go after a DE in FA. At that point do we go after another DE with the #8 pick or solidify the right side of the line?

Another friggin lineman? Didnt Irelnd learn his lesson from botching Matt Ryan? GEEZ!

Graeat a lover had to weigh in.CHUMP CHAD SUCKED,SUCKS,WILL SUCK finfaNL.

Craig, there will be a number of talented players on the board there.

Mercilus
Perry
Floyd
Kuechly
Martin
Adams

For me right now it would be a tough choice between Mercilus, Perry and Floyd. Would have to do some more research.

Did Colombo get a Segway or a bike with a baseball card in the spoke?

all this QB talk...i'm losing sleep over these F-in Phish.if our owner truly wants peyton then i'd like to see tannehill @#8.he's got a nice stat line for a 20 game starter,prototypical size,& he's atheletic.on the 0-line start jerry & murtha(2 young hungry beasts)on the right.in the rest of the draft get Clemson DE/OLB andre branch(he looks like a tuck/pierre-paul clone)& as many pass rushers as possible(to make brady wet his pants).in FA sign reggie nelson to play FS & move reshard to his correct position @ SS.maybe sign j shockey if he comes cheap. he's hungry & IF him & manning stay healthy i see many big plays.

Yo waterboy Ireland, how bout squandering 3 picks on a backup punter? IDIOT!

Well said orange crush!

Henne to the Jets would make for a very amusing 2012 season.

Texas,

Good scenarios. I'm not as sold on Kuechly for this team as much as other guys are. Not saying he's not going to be a very good player because I think he will be, I just don't know what another tackling machine does for this team. I'd much rather see a guy who can put a ton of pressure on the QB and I don't see Kuechly as that guy. For my money, out linebackers are one of the strengths of this team and I'd rather see us add to our pass rush or improve at the WR position.

It's ineffectual henne and the jests,southeast!

Mark Toronto.. NE is tough to compare..one reason, Tom F'in Brady. They have the luxury of doing other things because of brady

Henne made Matt Moore look like Joe Montana...

I'm wondering how high guys are on Dontari Poe. The guy is a complete freak of nature and I've heard comparisons to Ngata and JPP (yes, I know they are different players). I know he set the world on fire at the Combine but I'm wondering if he fits on this defence and if guys think he'll still be there at 8.
Thoughts? Should he be part of the discussion at 8?
Posted by: Craig M | March 01, 2012 at 01:28 PM

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He's definitely a freak of nature. With his size and upper body strength, one would think he'd be a natural fit a NT in a 3-4 base defense, however, most have him pegged to be moved to a 3-4 base DE.

The downside on him is that as a NT, he has had difficulty to this point with leverage and despite his enormous size and strength, he gets pushed around. He's quick, but not quite quick enough to really be much more than a contain threat as a 4-3 DT.

Also, he is very raw and has relied almost soley on his enormous size and strength to this point. He has a lot to work in in RE to technique no matter where he plays on the line.

Most have him pegged late in the 1st.

We should sign a FA RT, rather than waste a draft pick on one.

Of course, Manning will probably agree to a performance incentive contract leaving cap space to go after a DE in FA. At that point do we go after another DE with the #8 pick or solidify the right side of the line?
Posted by: Northwest | March 01, 2012 at 01:40 PM

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He has said that he is willing to have a primarily performance based contract; that said, most things I've been hearing and reading say that he will still command roughly $10-$13M guaranteed. As it stands right now, Miami doesn't have a whole lot of cap space, and a Manning deal....even if it was greatly incentive based, would use up most of it at this point.

wolf,

Thanks for your thoughts on Poe. So despite people describing him as athletic, you don't see him as a guy who can play DE in a 4-3 defence? I'm guessing from your comments that you don't see him as a fit for this team? Am I also right in reading that you think he's a bit raw right now? His number were off the charts and he had Suh beat in a lot of categories. So in your mind he's not the sleeper in this draft?


We should sign a FA RT, rather than waste a draft pick on one.

Posted by: Dolfdan13 | March 01, 2012 at 01:56 PM

We signed Ireland. He's a big FA RT! LOL

wolf,

Do you feel based on what you know about the Manning situation right now that it's wise to be guaranteeing that kind of money for Manning right now? $10-13 million is a lot for a guy we don't know whether he'll ever play again (I'm obviously in the wrong business). It;s not my money, so I don't care but I'm wondering the cap consequences of such a move. Seems to me if it's going to come down to money the Reskins will have us beat by a country mile!

If we are being honest, here are the top 5 QBs in the league in order of greatness:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees
3. Tom Brady
4. Chad Henne
5. Matt Ryan

One of these guys had the misfortune of being stuck on the Dolphins is first few years in the league. Remember how Steve Young started out in Tampa Bay?

Poe isn't going to show much at all on tape, Tigers aren't known for football. But I think he will be the first DT taken so whoever has the most need there would be my guess. top 20 for sure

Steve Young played for TB?

FA RT? I was wondering what that smell was.

I've had my eye on poe for a while I thought he'd be a steal in the 3rd rd 3 months ago... I'm from Miami but I live in Memphis now. I goto tiger bball games all the time but football here is terrible.

Wolf,

if that's the case then I think we go DE with our first pick. We're ALMOST as desperate for a pass rusher as we are for a QB.

Do you guys think there any reality (or cap space) to the speculation that we sign sign Peyton AND Saturday?

If we get Manning we can sign him to an incentive laden contract which may get him at a bargin, draft a QB for the furure whle having a very good back-up on the team. Yes, you can preview to see if Manning is make all the throws before you give him a physica, you just can't legally call it a "try out" under the new rules(or something like that). Two things to ponder here people..Flynn will also come cheap since everyone has the perception he is a system QB, also, if the Fins don't pursue him his value plummets.

Miami should trade down a few spots and take Tannehill. Fill other needs with two second round picks, etc.

Steve Young was on the Bucs 1985-1986. Look it up. Man, you people really are stupid and uneducated. I'm only half joking when I say that most of the time but I might start getting serious about it.

There no guarantees, but Henne has all the skills and he has a very good chance of being our Steve Young that got away.

If you guys had a brain, I'd tell you to try using it.

Henne's numbers are far superior to E. Manning at this age and Henne's been stuck with Fins (Sparano/no WR/wildcat interruptions/general crappiness of the organization).

Henne threw for 440 yards game 1 this year, 1/2 of the most yards in a game in NFL history. He was ready for a breakout year but the O line and the rest of the team did not come ready to play at the start of the season.

If you actually knew anything about football, (1) you'd know that Steve Young was a Buc and (2) Henne throws a great ball, has heart, and has all the tools to be great and is still young.

You guys need therapy or a girlfriend. Geeeez.

Blah blah blah. Trade up. Trade down. Trade sideways. I think this, I think that. IMHO.

When Henne beats out Sancheez it will be interesting to face him twice a year. I wonder if he'd even have an edge or a chip on his shoulder... could enhance this rivalry even further

If the Fins sign Manning they should consider also signing Saturday and move Pouncy to the right tackle spot. Get a dynamic play maker at the 8th spot or trade back for more picks!!

Hey, get a head start on reading tomorrows posts by reading today's posts again from the beginning.

CHUMP CHAD HENNE IS NO Steve Young.Most here think RG3 is the 49ers #8.Henne SUCKS.Your morethan well come to cheer for whatever team scrapes him off!

This is not a bad pick. Bottom line is if you can't get the QB you want then you better get lineman who can help the current QB. Mando you are dead wrong, quit your whining. Its not only annoying, but your followers whining too, makes it so much worse. By the way the NFL network reported last night the dolphins are trying to move up for RG3

Your the idiot who reading the posts. GTFO of here if you dont line what you see jerk off

Like Armando would say,you gotta get your money's worth,Repeat until puke.LOL.

wolf,
Thanks for your thoughts on Poe. So despite people describing him as athletic, you don't see him as a guy who can play DE in a 4-3 defence? I'm guessing from your comments that you don't see him as a fit for this team? Am I also right in reading that you think he's a bit raw right now? His number were off the charts and he had Suh beat in a lot of categories. So in your mind he's not the sleeper in this draft?
Posted by: Craig M | March 01, 2012 at 01:58 PM

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Like I said, he's a pretty freakish athlete, especially for his size...and that's why he could likely go in the 1st round (given a 2nd round grade by NFL commission). He has tons of upside if he's willing to sit down and learn some technique rather than simply relying on that ability as he's done in college.

He's really a boom or bust type of guy IMO...if he's willing to put the work in, he could play pretty much anywhere on the line in either a 3-4 or 4-3....he's that freakish! But that's the kicker....thus far, he has shown little interest and made almost no progress during his college career to learn better technique to maximize that athleticism.

This is most evidenced by the disparity between his athletic abilities (he blew everyone away at the combine) and his actual stats. His stats don't pop out at all. I mean, you would expect someone with his God given abilities to put up more than 5 sacks in his college career.

I think he'd be a very interesting prospect, but I think he's got a lot of maturing to do and a lot of work to put in. I think 8 would be too high for him. Most boards have him as the 4th BPA at that position...and 25th-30th overall BPA.

By the way, the Steve Young (or Flynn or whoever backs up Brady in NE) thing proves another incontrovertible fact:

97% of what decides who wins a football game and who wins consistently and becomes a perrenial winner is THE COACH. The 80s Bucs were pathetic--no coaching. Steve Young sucked as a Buc. The 80s 49ers, of course, ruled. Either Montana or Young were great in that SYSTEM with that COACH.

Likewise, Eli Manning went to the Giants, a consistently top notch organization. Manning would have been run out of town in Miami just like poor Henne was.

In today's era, you have Bellicheat and whoever he puts back there totally rules.

Manning is an exception, but he's like a player-coach, the greatest of all time, and he single handedly made the garbage Indy team a winner.

Us? We had Sparano and before that a string of other mediocre (or past their prime) coaches. Hence all of our QBs appears to suck or be journeymen.

The problem the last 4 years was Sparano, not Henne. Trust me.

Henne on the Packers last year puts up THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS AS RODGERS. It's the coach/system.

Football is like chess. It's all about the coaching.

And O linemen, by the way--it's all about coaching them up. You get them in the 6th round.

When Henne gets pressured, 3rd down or 4th quarter, when great QBs shine- Henne chokes.

Henne may have "all the tools" in his arm, but he's missing the most important one (hint: think north of the arm) - the one that can't be coached- that "it" factor, killer instincts, a winning mentality.

I've seen enough of Henne- that is, unless, we're going up against him. That I'd love to see!

I'd rather the Dolphins draft another Ted Ginn then spend another 1st round pick on an O-lineman. If Joe Philbin wants to win the fans over on draft day, draft a playmaker! Any playmaker!

Steve Young also played in the USFL (before his NFL days).....and was the first professional QB to record 300 yards passing and 100 yards rushing in a single game.

beer on the henne/jets thing, our only saving grace there, unfortunately for Henne, is that the Jets are also a garbage organization that has always been garbage, led by a very stupid piece of garbage. So Henne's doomed there too.

But Henne on the Packers or with Bellicheat as his coach would be great same as those teams current QBs are.

It's all about the coaching/system when the guy has the physical skill and heart.

Henne showed us last year that he has heart and wants to be a starter.

I too miss Tedd Ginn Jr, who is the NFL's all time leader in games with more than one TD kick return per games played.

beerphin,

Henne with an edge? Thats a good one!

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in a long long time I agree with mando. It must be full moon

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