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Riley Reiff to Dolphins at No. 8? Are you kidding?

Riley Reiff is a good football player, OK? I have nothing against the offensive tackle from the University of Iowa. I have watched a couple of games in which he has played and he's always performed well enough.

And that, coupled with his size and ability and smarts, is a reason he's considered a top of the first round type of talent. But to the Dolphins? Are you kidding me?

God, I hope not.

Seems Reiff to the Dolphins is a popular stream of thought among NFL draft analysts. ESPN's Mel Kiper penciled Reiff to Miami in his first and only (so far) mock draft. NFL Network talent analyst Bucky Brooks similarly has Reiff going to the Dolphins with the eighth overall selection. And NFL Network reporter Steve Wyche has the Dolphins picking Reiff as well.

I get it.

Reiff is an offensive tackle. He's perfect for the Dolphins to fill the void at right tackle -- even though he played left tackle at Iowa. And, of course, his connections to Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz makes him a natural for the Dolphins because Miami coaches Joe Philbin and Mike Sherman know and respect Ferentz and value his players.

But ...

Riley Reiff, for all his attributes and gifts and the logic of filling an obvious void, would be a terrible pick for the Dolphins at No. 8. Why?

Value.

There is simply not a great deal of value of picking a right tackle in the top 10 selections of the draft. No, there's no rule that says this is a fact. No, there's no philosophy or statistic that has proven this to be the case. But work with me for a second and let me state my case ...

{UPDATE: Since posting this, I got a call from an NFL scout who reads the blog and he told me he has Reiff as a guard. And he said he's not alone in the thinking. So there's that.]

The draft is not only picking the right players, but also getting them in the right round to maximize their value. And in the top 10 a team with so many needs as Miami has should not be investing on a player that neither will score points, nor prevent points from being scored. The offensive right tackle will never, not even on his best day, throw a TD pass, or intercept a pass, or sack the quarterback, strip him of the ball and run it in for a TD. He will never make a game-changing play.

And that game-changer is the only kind of player that brings value to a team in the top 10 picks.

Said another way, I want my team to pick a quarterback, a cornerback, a wide receiver, a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE. I want playmakers drafted in the top 10.

I do not want grunts.

Grunts are wonderful additions later.

Why?

Because grunts don't lead a team to the playoffs or the Super Bowl. Playmakers lead teams to the playoffs or the Super Bowl.

That doesn't mean I am against drafting offensive linemen later in the first round or anytime after that. And some special offensive linemen deserve top 10 consideration depending on a team's relative needs and whether the player is a left tackle or center.

But a right tackle? Or a guard?

In the top 10?

Quick, who was Green Bay's right tackle this year while they went 15-1? Quick, who was the last right tackle to be named NFL MVP or even his own team's MVP?

Yeah, thought so.

A top 10 pick is a premium, premium draft choice. It should be used to select premium, premium NFL playmakers.

And right tackles, no matter how gifted, do not qualify. Reiff, by the way, is No. 77 in the video below.

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Texas,

How long do you think it will take for a landing spot for Manning to be found? I can see this thing dragging on for a while. There's even a story out there that the Colts will release Manning and then try and sign him back at a discounted rate, once they've had a better chance to look at him more. Who knows, but I don't see a quick decision coming.

It would be in peytons best interests to have his situation solved as quickly as possible while so many options exist.

I'm not so sure about that Mark. I think he's get a better contract if he were healthier. I'm also not 100 per cent convinced that his heart doesn't still belong in Indy. I don't see a resolve with this for some time....it's going to drive us all crazy. Dolphins will have a decision to make. Wait until Peyton makes up his mind or don't run the risk of missing out on Flynn.

This is totally BS, how did we look against the Eagles?!
We need a good QB yes, Moore is not that bad, but we also need both lines to be damn good! that is how god teams are built!!!! hello!!! If we can get a QB fine, but if not the best player available there should do it!! what ever that player is!!!!

OL is not that important. It shouldnt be the weakest link, but to sqaunder a fortune on it, like Ireland has without results, is insane.

Give St Louis or Indy the whole draft for the first or second overall pick and take one of the two premier quarterbacks. Give up Jake Long or Marshall or both to get it done.
Enough BS. Do what it takes. The Dolphins ave nothing to loose. Nothing.

give it to us mando!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

give it up!!!

peyton wants to win another superbowl.the chances of getting that in indy dont seem good.of the teams that need a QB miami seems the best fit(too cold/no division dome games in DC, Cleveland, KC)& has the best team.get peyton and tannehill.the rookie gets 2-3 years under the master who @ 75% is still top 6 in the nfl(rodgers-brady-ben r.-eli-brees),plus he's coached by 2 of the men who worked with favre and rodgers.

Hey home loser, have you noticed how no one is responding to your redunant, repetitive, obnoxiously boring, juvenile posts?

Take the hint bozo!

i know they picked late but didn't the packers draft an offensive tackle in the 1st round last year???

Franchise tags must be applied by Monday.
I've been saying it for 2 months and I will say it again:
HENNE WILL BE FRANCHISED.

When he is you will all swallow my load as an apology to me.
After that you will all worship me by calling me

LoadMaster

Maybe Craig, but in any case, fukk Flynn! I don't see how this guy has more upside than Moore. Surely not kolb like numbers better than Flynn. If manning is out then the best solution for this club in the short and long term is in the draft.

Yeah, mike Wallace won't be franchised but a career under achiever like henne will be.

Name one weak arm QB who has ever done anything in the NFL? and you fools want Flynn
Posted by: Guy | March 02, 2012 at 10:05 AM

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Joe Montana, Drew Brees, Tom Brady....just to name a few. None of these guys have/had "elite" NFL arm strength.

Mark,

That's how I see it as far as Flynn is concerned too. I think Manning needs ot be the target and if it doesn't work out, you draft one of the kids and add a vet like Campbell or Orton. To me any of those scenarios are light years ahead of where they were last year.

wolfman, thats a lie. Brady can toss the ball 60 yard down the field, Brees arm is avg at best but he makes uo for it with his deadly accurate arm, Montana arm is another avg arm. Flynn has a weak arm, like Penningnton. There a reason why he was a 7th round pick. Fools gold

If we have to pick at #8..can't make a deal for the 2nd pick....I have to agree with Ray (Finkle). The grunts open holes for the running backs. They keep the QB from getting sacked,hurried throws..or getting concusions. Average running backs turn out to be very good runing backs when there are big holes opening up. Jake Long was a first pick..a Pro Bowler since his rookie year. I don't know if Reiff is a premium tackle but if he is..I'd go with him. The right side of our Our O line needs serious upgradng. At one time the Steelers had drafted each O-linemen in the first round. They went to the Suoer Bowl, more than once, with that line.

..I love it when folks come here and suggest the answer is to trade away everything we have..Picks, our best players. Anything it takes is the common rally cry. As important as a quarterback is( I am not downplaying the fact we desperatley need one) Football is a team game. The quarterback always gets more credit then he desereves, and too much of the blame when it goes bad. We aren't going to give away both picks, and our 2 best players..It isn't going to happen

Especially Long..Tradaing Long this year would be just plain stupid. It is a contract year. He will no doubt do everything he can do to be healthy and play well. I know there are some that say he is declining, that he is too big for his knees. I say hogwash..Give him an opportunity to play healthy for a year..He has earned this right. I would say that Long is really the only untouchable player we have this year. Forget about trading Jake Long. This is an example of people trying to outsmart themselves. They will call it "thinking out of the box"..I will identify it for what it is...Total jibber jabber.

Why not? The Dolphins did the exact same thing last yrs draft. But that time they took a Center, needing a QB in the worst way, just like this yr. So dont say they wont do it, when theyve proven that they will take a non game changer in the top ten. Thats almost funny,,,,

Pricemaster, so you're saying the Dolphins are going to keep Henne this year and pay him 14.4 million dollars? Because if they franchise him that's what they will owe him. Please tell me your post is a joke because it surely made me laugh pretty hard.

i know they picked late but didn't the packers draft an offensive tackle in the 1st round last year???
Posted by: jaison | March 02, 2012 at 11:44 AM

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The problem is not taking a lineman in the 1st round per sei....the problem is that another O-lineman would mean the Phins have taken an O-lineman 3 of the last 5 drafts....and D-lineman the other 2 years.

Yes, the lines are important....but not every single guy on the line has to be a top 15 pick to have a solid foundation. This is what is frustrating to many fans....and the fact that there has literally been no attempt to draft a franchise QB in 15 years.

Phins78 @ 11:57 - Pricemaster has been spamming this blog for months with the exact same post. He's either trying to get a reaction or he's an idiot. At anyrate, not worth your response.

Phins78,
This team has 7 free agents and 6 draft picks.
There are no FA's coming here.
It needs a scapegoat.
It's not about winning a SB.
It's about Ireland & Philbin staying employed.

oline
lt=long
lg=incognito
c=pouncy
rg=jerry
rt=murtha
backups:carey,garner,feinga
possibly draft best available ol in the 4th round.
Murtha looked good until injury ruined his year and jerry showed signs of life and versitlity at the end of the season. coach em up get peyton and tannehill and use the picks left to draft as many tuck/pierre-paul/jt clones as you can find

Crusher, that easy???

Craig,

As far as the timeline for Manning to sign it could go either way. I can see Manning wanting to get where he is going to learn the new system and get with the players and I can see it possibly drawing out.

But 1 thing for sure as fans, we will be able to gauge Miami's interest in Manning and Flynn real soon.

NOTICE;;;;;;;;


HOW ,WHEN AN EX GREAT QB COMES TO MARKET ,THE DOLPHINS ALWAYS IN THE HUNT .......

THAT A TRADE MARK OF A TEAM WILL ALWAYS BE IN THE CELLAR......

hey mark,
nothings has been easy for the phish since JJ got here in 96.it's a crapshoot.murtha's got to stay healthy, jerry's got to continue to rise, peyton is a huge ? mark, and tucks,taylors & pauls dont fall into your lap w/o top notch evaluation skils(jj had em most of the time and so do the g-men).but tuck and jt were both 3rd rounders so...you never know.

IS BERGER STILL PLAYING FOR US ?


IS HILLARD STILL PLAYING FOR US ?


ARE THESE TWO PLAYERS GETTING PAID BY US ?

HILLARD AND BERGER WERE SIGNED AROUND 1999 ......

In RE to Manning, I think it's going to go pretty fast. I think the whole thing is going to go pretty fast once one of the chips fall.

Personally, I think the first chip will be either Cleveland, Washington, or Miami locking in a trade deal with St. Louis....I'm pretty confident that this wall happen sometime next week and that will be that.

Once Manning is released...sometime next week and by next Friday at the latest, things will move pretty quickly there as well. I don't think we're going to see a scenario like where he's flying all over the country talking to ump-teen teams. I would wager that he has his eye on a few different teams where he would want to go....so, I don't think it'll take all that long. My guess is two weeks tops after he's released.

A GOOD SIGN FOR THE DOLPHINS , OUR NEW HC DIDN'T GO ON THE ARMANDO RADIO SHOW.......ONCE HE GOES ,THAT WOULD BE THE SIGN THAT WE WILL BE ROTTEN IN THE CELLAR .....

indeed, you never know ...

The blog has been weak today

i agree wolfman...st louis wants to do that deal before manning and flynn are signed and there's less demand.sam bradford better eat his wheaties when he comes to joe robbie stadium to play the dolphins. i hope we wipe the street with jeffy fisher's team that day.

MARK...... YOU WASTING YOUR TIME TALKING MANNING WHEN ALL OTHER SMART TEAMS TALKING YOUNG AND UPCOMING QB'S STARS..........

(( THE DOLPHIN FANS ARE THE MOST UNEDUCATED FANS IN THE COUNTRY )).....................IT'S A FACT /////////

wolfman, have to agree with you here. I don't think Peyton will dikk around. When he's ready to sign, it will be a short process. Peyton will want to ensure he's fully integrated to the team by the draft, have players drafted that will suit him. Indy's entire team was built around him - on both sides of the ball. Indy always had a defense that could get after the passer relentlessly and small and quick - built to polay in a track meet.

As far as trading the pick, I think it would benefit the rams to trade the pick before or early on in free agency. if you wait until miami has peyton and cleveland has flynn for example, your price goes way down - unless you are ready to move down to 12 ....

ALoco, I thought that honour belonged to the Raiders?

Wolfman,

High trade ups(bordering on blockbuster)don't usually happen this early on. I think you're right in this instance though.

Too many teams considering Manning or Flynn don't want to pass on them unless they know they can take a shot at Luck and or more probably Griffen.

I was thinking the same thing the other day. Whoever trades up with the Rams will want to get that deal done YESTERDAY!

I know Mark, I was kidding about that (Billick is the LAST guy I'd listen to).

It's coming down to the wire, all this speculation will get resolved shortly.

I'm interested in what the Rams will do with their trade. If they were smart, they'd get it worked out BEFORE teams start fighting over Peyton/Flynn. That way they can maximize the trade value. Plus it makes it easier for us (Ireland) to make that move if that's what he really wants to do (and still get into the Manning/Flynn battle if gets outbid for RG3.

Why in the world would Peyton want to go back to a decimated Indy team? He has no chance to win another ring there. That team is in rebuild mode.

Good interview with the Giants GM on this morning's ESPN radio. Talking about QB draft prospects, and what he looks for.

*The best Qbs are the ones that make everyone around them better, and can carry the team when needed."

Agree. Ok - so lets relate that to our current draft class. Yes/No do they do this?:
Luck - yes
Griffin - yes
Tannehill - no
Weeden - yes
Cousins -yes
Osweiler - not sure

the GM also mentioned to look at the team's improvement under the Qb tenure. Baylor, Stanford, OSU, MSU all had terrific seasons with their QBs, and were less so before them.
A&M? Down seasons with Tannehill.

This seems so simple to me, but still we have the experts talking about arm strength and footwork, and other physical tools to rate the QBs.
Sure, those are important, but have we learned nothing from Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Jamarcus Russell et. al.?

Ok, all the geniuses in here are in consensus about the draft trade being worked out very early - so let's see what happens.

i don't think there is any team waiting for rg3's pro day before making an evaluation. The top 3 qb needy teams already are good to go. And Seattle wishes they stunk just a little more last year to be within shouting distance too.

Reports are Manning throwing the ball much better. Looks like him becoming a Dolphin is becoming more of a reality

MANNING;;;;;;;


4 SURGERY IN 4 MONTHS........


NECK SURGERY ,THAT IS...........


THE CELLAR DOLPHIN CELLAR FANS WANT TO SIGN HIM AND GIVE A RETIREMENT PACKAGE............????????????

(( THE DOLPHIN FANS ARE THE MOST UNEDUCATED FANS IN THE COUNTRY )).....

JS, TA&M stunk before and during Tannehill. I agree in principle though - good qbs make your teams winners, don't just show up with the occasional gawdy stat sheet. - Like Chad Henne.

Matt Moore played in 13 games in 2011. He threw for 2,497 yds, 16 td's and 9 int's while completing 60.5% of his passes.
Kevin Kolb played 19 games in four years for the Eagles. He threw for 2082 yds, 11 td's, 14 int's and comleted 60.8% of his passes.
Matt Flynn threw for 1,015 yds in four years with Green Bay, 9 td's, 5 int's while completing 62% of his passes.

Now I understand that Moore had a stint with Carolina and, if you include those years his totals are 5,137 yds passing, 32 td's, 26 int's, completing 59% of his passes. Nothing great but neither is the numbers from the other two qb's I mentioned.
Kolb was traded to Arizona and was paid very well and may end up losing his starting position this year when he has to compete against John Skelton.
Flynn could be looking at the same type of deal as Kolb with his new team. My question, then, is why is Moore not worthy of the same type of deal? Yes, his years with Carolina weren't great but looking at what he did with Miami last year the logic everyone else uses to put a quarterback in a certain category surely must also apply to Moore due to his performance in 2011.
In addition, his experience at quarterback makes him more valuable than the other two. The argument many have used as to why Flynn should be in Miami next year is because he knows Philbin's system. How much does that count for vs experience. Moore came in late and had to learn the Dolphins system and look what he accomplished. Why would you take for granted that Moore's experience doesn't trump the fact that Flynn knows Philbin's system. When people say that they are basically saying Matt Moore can't learn Philbin's system. He's already played against the level of competition in the NFL numerous times. He knows how to read defenses, he's an accurate passer and he can run.
If Miami can't make the trade for RGIII or can't land a healthy Manning they should stay with Moore and pick up Kirk Cousins and develop him over the next two years.

I have to somewhat agree with Crusher earlier about the O-line too.

Considering how good Jerry looked at Tackle in College, I'm AMAZED SpOrano didn't try him on the right earlier instead of letting him flounder at guard.

Now that he has shown what he can do(filling in for Long), I think it's a no-brainer he could be penciled in as the starting Right Tackle. Either way, he'll be an INSTANT upgrade over Colombo.

The Kicker: Jerry gets his shot at RT, we get more picks freed up for skill position/playnakers. Counting on Jerry as the starter, we can wait until the 3rd round or later to adress the O-Line.

Say maybe a Guard or a Tackle that can move to guard in the 3rd or 4th.

The main point is, we can shore up our O-line WITHOUT using a 1st or 2nd round pick.

Scenarios this fan in particular would be acceptable with:

1. Miss/skip on Manning and Flynn, and manage to move up for Griffin. Not crazy, as Manning to Washington or KC is a very definite possibility. Wash would be perfect for us/them. And Cleveland likes Flynn. Then we're in the driver's seat for trading up for Griffin.

2. Miss/skip Manning and Flynn, take a LB/DE in the 1st (or Blackmon if he slips), and grab Cousins/Weeden in the 2nd.

3. Sign Manning, and draft LB/DE in the 1st, Cousins in the 2nd (Tannehill here makes some sense if he can watch Manning for a couple of years).

After that, we're getting into territory that I think we'll still be searching for our future answer at QB next year, and maybe the year after that.

TO ALL THE UNEDUCATED DOLPHIN FANS ;;;;;;;;;


ALERT DONKEYS..........


(( CHAD HENNE WILL SIGN WITH ONE OF 5 TEAMS ARE PUSHING TO SIGN HIM FOR UP TO 7 MILLION A YEAR ,AMONG THEM THE JETS,DENVER,KC AND OTHERS )).........


NOW KEEP TALKING ABOUT MANNING WHO'S LOOKING FOR A RETIREMENT PACKAGE .....

Why would Manning join this pathetic franchise?

Lou, I would agree except that I would take Tannehill at 8 if Manning or rg3 don't pan out. After that, Weeden later in the draft - wherever he's expected to be slotted.

Other than that, don't see much to get excited about this year.

but have we learned nothing from Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Jamarcus Russell et. al.?

Posted by: JS_in_LA | March 02, 2012 at 01:00 PM

I like the post JS. I think for the most part, his evaluating technique is pretty good.

However, putting it to the test, how did Leaf and Akili Smith's college teams do under their tenure-LOL?

It does SEEM simple. But, it's true what they say, there are exceptions to every rule.

THE BIGGEST SIGING WILL BE ...HENNE TO KC .............

Where Manning ends up signing is going to be more up to Manning than it is any particular team. I personally think Miami is on his radar....but I think the fact that the Phins have a rookie HC may dissuade him. I think that'll be the biggest factor to Miami landing Manning. If Manning doesn't care about it, I believe Manning will be a Phin....and I hope he works out better than I think he will.

Henne will be lucky to get a minimum salary as a 3rd string backup.

SEAHAWKS IN CONTACT WITH HENNE'S AGENT ALREADY ........

wolfie ... or Arizona. I think those are the two teams.

If Miami can't make the trade for RGIII or can't land a healthy Manning they should stay with Moore and pick up Kirk Cousins and develop him over the next two years.

Posted by: Professor Lou | March 02, 2012 at 01:06 PM

AMEN!

Take the best playmaker available at 8. Get Cousins in the 2nd. Find a Road Grader in the 3rd.

Shore up the team around Moore and let the Kid get busy! I'm all in on this scenario.

Henne will be lucky to get a minimum salary as a 3rd string backup.
Posted by: TGH


Anyone who says this knows nothing about football.

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