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Would Dolphins trade up for Tannehill?

Talk around the hallways of the Breakers Hotel during the NFL annual meeting this week included whispers of the Cleveland Browns wanting to trade down from their perch at No. 4 in the coming NFL draft. That talk was confirmed when Cleveland general manager Tom Heckert, a former Dolphins personnel man, told the Cleveland Plain Dealer he would consider trading down.

"We're not trading up, I guarantee that," Heckert said. "There's going to be five guys that we really like and we're going to get a really good player at number four. But we could still get a really good player at five, six, seven, eight too."

You must note that Heckert included No. 8. That is the position the Dolphins currently hold and the one where Miami may feel a need to improve upon. The thinking among some league people is that Miami is desperate to draft a quarterback and Ryan Tannehill will be the target.

And rather than wait to pick the Texas A&M player at No. 8, there is a possibility the Dolphins might show some desperation and trade up to get him. Thus, Heckert could be setting the Dolphins up for that deal by talking it up.

Here's the problem: Few people believe Tannehill is a value at No. 8, much less one at No. 4. So the Dolphins, who have so far refused to overpay for a handful of quarterbacks under general manager Jeff Ireland, would be positioning themselves to overpay for Tannehill.

Now, overpay is a relative term. The Dolphins might believe Washington giving up three first-round picks plus other considerations for Robert Griffin III is overpaying. I think it's a great move. GREAT! If you've read this blog for any amount of time, you know I love RG3 and think that was the move the Dolphins needed to make instead of chasing Peyton Manning.

But perhaps the Dolphins have a great feel about Tannehill considering offensive coordinator Mike Sherman was Tannehill's head coach at A&M. Maybe they know something. So maybe they really, really want to make sure they get the player.

I suppose the Dolphins would have to consider getting to No. 4 to ensure their ability to get their guy. Maybe that's the case, but I definitely hope and pray they stand their ground and stay at No. 8.

The truth is the Browns are really the only team ahead of Miami that might take him. Indianapolis is taking Andrew Luck at No. 1. Washington is taking RG3 at No. 2. Minnesota isn't taking a QB there because they drafted Christian Ponder last year in the first round. Tampa Bay at No. 5 doesn't need a QB. Neither does St. Louis at No. 6 -- proven by the fact they passed on a chance for RG3. And I am certain the Jaguars are commited to Blaine Gabbert this year so they're not drafting Tannehill at No. 7.

That only leaves Cleveland as a possibility for Tannehill. And the Browns are willing to drop. Heckert is bluffing the Dolphins, people. I think it will be interesting to see if Heckert and a large Cleveland contingent are at Tannehill's Pro Day Thursday.

Usually that would signal a significant interest by a team in a player. I would expect that's exactly what the Browns would like to show they have in Tannehill to make Miami nervous.

Don't be nervous, Miami -- at least not about Cleveland.

Now the Dolphins might be concerned teams behind them might want to trade up to take Tannehill. The Chiefs at No. 11 need a quarterback and might want to pull ahead of Miami for a chance at Tannehill. That seems to be the only team likely to threaten Miami in this scenario.

So are St. Louis, Tampa or Jacksonville willing to drop back to 11? I guess it depends on their board and the compensation offered. I find it hard to believe KC GM Scott Pioli would pay too much for the chance to move up four to six spots to take Tannehill.

And why do I say this? I guess it boils down to the player not the move. Frankly, I don't see Tannehill as a top 10 player. I think he might go that high. But I think the reason would be because he's a quarterback, the NFL is a QB league, and somebody might be desperate enough to overdraft him.

I just hope that as far as flying up to No. 4 overall, it's not the Dolphins.

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...This is ironic. I haven't posted in about a week.(Epic fishing trip to the Bitteroot for Skwala hatch)..The last few posts that were being debated where wether or not the Phins would have to trade up to get Tannehill(If this is who they target)

We debated if Cleveland was be using him as a bluff card, or would they be serious about drafting him..Either way, they will do everything they can to make it appear Tannehill is on their radar. Back today, and it seems like we have arrived full circle.

..It is definitley worth re-visiting. As the disccusion involved only a few who were participating at the time. (Note..For the blogger who was calling everyone idiots for thinking the Phins may have to trade up to get Tannehill..I present you todays blog by Armando..) I would certainly hope that trading up for Tannehill is not an option...Could you imagine?? I believe there is no such thing as overpaying for a franchise guy..The problem is that Ireland has made it clear that he has taken the term overpay to new lows by lowballing IMO better options that were available in the free agency period..Also. Trading up for Ryan Tannehill @ 4?????????? Really? I doubt the team will do this just citing the way we have gone about being frugal(some will say prudent)this offseason..it doesn't jive with the plan of responsible spending, or solid draft structure in which you do not reach on talent...This case would be a reach...Big time.

Tannehill is not very accurate. The single most important thing is accuracy. I believe you have that or you don't. Stay away from Tannehill in any round.

Trade down, get more picks. Chances are we will be ok at the very best this year. Draft a QB later rounds, and hell, draft one next year too. All this talk about franchise QBs is ridiculous. Lets face it, you need to be smart AND lucky to land these guys,we are neither. I.E. Pats lucky with brady, manning panned out for colts, (could've been a leaf, or any other number oh high pick washouts). Brees was a 2nd rounder, and it wasn't until his 4th year (3rd starting) he posted a QB rating over 77. Rodgers rode the pine for 4 years, and was picked at the end of the first round. Those are your elite QBs. If everyone had one, they wouldn't be elite they'd be average. You have to make the rest of the team better. It is a gamble. The fact is you have to have patience and a situation where you can develop a QB. Or you luck into a guy like brady. Those are your options.

Home is destroying this blog yet Armando refuses to do anything...

It's eerie how much this situation is like the '08 Dolphins. Back then, the talk was about moving up to draft Brady Quinn or hoping that he fell to the #9 spot.

Clue, you're right! See my name!

UGH! Mike! Stop it... I cant watch this draft. LOL

Trade up for Luck.

Home...Without looking at a draft sight..or googling a scouting report...How does Tannehill throw when rolling out to his left side????

PLEASE GOD NO.

I can think of multitudes of better options than trading up for Tannehill.
Trading up for anyone, it would be Griffin or Luck.
Since that's ridiculous, then pick any of 3 QBs left.
I like Weeden and Cousins better in the first place. Tannehill at 8 is a reach for anyone other than us.
so ...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

What about Russell Wilson? Here is a kid that is
A proven winner, thats who we should take!

Clue,

The sad thing is, I've had more posts of mine deleted than Home has I'm sure.....

Tannehill was by one scout to have great arm strength great speed and throws great on the run but he has difficulty reading defenses and locating the free safety. He said normally that would be fine with someone had they shown some improvement but he said Tannehill never showed any signs of improving in that area he simply fails to indentify where all defensive players are around his target making him a very dangerous pick especially so high.

But if the job entails making modern football decisions or judging concepts in a high-flying offense like New Orleans has, the Parcells-made disaster the Dolphins are today should serve as a warning.

General Manager Jeff Ireland has spent the last year-and-a-half trying, somewhat clumsily at times, to clean up Parcells' messes. Yes, Ireland was part of that. But Parcells was at the helm of what became a toxic dump.

Did he get anything right? Did one long-term decision work out before he quickly ducked out the door five days before the 2010 season?

It's not that Parcells cheated the Dolphins. He gave his top effort. He worked hard and was respected deeply inside the building. He thought in terms of a NFL that doesn't exist anymore.

This merits some selective replaying as people alternately swoon over the idea of Parcells to the Saints and dismiss the Dolphins as a laughingstock due to Ireland and owner Steve Ross.

Again: Ireland and Ross have made their share of awkward errors. Again: Parcells remains the toxic mess they're cleaning up.

The consistent flaw to Parcells was his "bigger and stronger," tenet from the 1980s. That led him to take left tackle Jake Long with the No. 1 overall pick in 2008 instead of a franchise quarterback like Matt Ryan.

Brock Osweiler

Ive never seen Tannehill play one game, can someone please explain to me his positives and negatives and who does he compare to in the NFL?
Posted by: Clue | March 28, 2012 at 01:32 PM

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I've seen him play a handfull of times. On the positive side, he's a team player and he's a guy that a team can rally around. He was recruited as a QB but moved to WR due to injuries. He played WR in '08, '09, and half of '10. He started at QB halfway through the '10 season and all of '11. He's also filled in as a punter from time to time due to injury. Like I said, this guy will do anything the coach asks him to do.

He doesn't have a howitzer for an arm, but most scouts consider his arm to be of NFL calibre. He can be somewhat inconsistent which is greatly attributable to the fact that he really has very limited experience. One second he's wowing you and the next, he's throwing an untimely interception.

The reason he's so highly touted by many scouts is because he has huge upside potential and is considered to have a high ceiling.

Scouts and other NFL people have been highly impressed with his ability to grasp the game and the WC offense in just 1.5 seasons under center. In a sense, many are projecting here....projecting that if he were able to make the same sort of progress given a full 4 years as a starter, he would easily be a top 5 guy. Of course, that's simply a projection based on extrapolation, but that's all anybody has to go by.

He's certainly no sure thing and is not "NFL ready" at the moment. He will most likely need at least 1 season if not 2 on the bench.

Even the experts that LIKE Tannehill, and PROMOTE him, think he's late first round, early second material.

Trading up is wrong move period.

LOL @ Ohio, I cant imagine Armando deleting any of your posts, I've yet to read a comment where you bashed anyone.

...Too late. Any answer I know has been picked apart now by any of the draft sites scattered about the internet.. I just wanted an honest opinion. Not regurgitation of 4-5 different expert opinions condensed into your own...

As an avid Texas A&M fan, I love Tannehill, but the reality is he's not 1st round talent. Maybe 2nd round and definitely 3rd, but not 1st. This is what happens when you have teams absolutely desperate for a quarterback. Players like Tannehill are taken much higher due to the demand for their position. I'll be upset if the Dolphins take him at 8, and absolutely livid if they trade up for him.

Also, in RE to Tannehill....he's a pretty smart cookie and has it all upstairs. He was first team Big 12 Academic honors for '08, '09, '10, and '11. He was pre-med with the intention of becoming an orthopedic surgeon. He's also a pretty settled guy....I believe he married this passed January.

I not sold on Tannehill at 8 much less 4.

I figured it out. As hard as winning this competition might be, with guys like Clue around here, Dusty Bottoms is THE stupidest and most clueless person here, by far.

CLue,
On the positive side, I'd compare him to Cutler or Drew Bledsoe, Flacco, maybe Orton. Nice tools, but needs a lot of teaching to get him solid. But not the typical shark like competitor, or field general.

On the negative: take your pick. Nice arm, nice tools, doesn't win big games. Disappears in the 4th quarter, throws pick-6s that aid in losing efforts. Lots of QBs run out of the league looked like that. Combine studs, reality fails.

He's a project, even most experts agree on that. Could be great, could be fail. Big up or down possibility.

Mike in Houston, thanks for the insight,Tannehill isnt worthy of a first round pic if Barkley and Jones came out he'll prob end up going in the middle of the 2nd. Will you guys quit over vauleing the guy. My bet is Ireland will be moving down and selecting Reiff and Couples in the first round. This isnt so bad right?

The Phins aren't being prudent Darryl, they are being frugal. I agree 100%. The Jags, Titans & Vikings all took a risk last year on QB's. Why? QB's are the most sought after position & w/out 1 you're nothing. You want one, you pay the price. Either overdraft or overpay. Take your pick!

Just like in everyday life, you pay a premium for high quality goods & services. Will it pay off for them? I don't know but, they knew they had to pay the price & they did. Instead of a trade for RGIII, Miami pursued old experienced Manning. Even w/all his injuries, he was the safer play.

It was allot of picks but, if Griffin is what everyone thinks he is, people will quickly forget the pice paid.

The Dolphins approach everything scared. This strategy will NEVER yield a winner. Just look at the last 5 years for proof.

Joke time!

Q. Whats the difference between home & a bucket of sh*t?

A. The Bucket

Home isn't stupid, he's possessed by a retarded Ghost.

Unfortunately for Home, there is no vaccine for stupidty.

Home is the kind of a man that you could use as a blueprint to build an idiot.

If you stand close enough to home, you can hear the ocean.

I heard you got a brain transplant and the brain rejected you.

Home, I'd like to leave you with one thought, but I'm not sure you have anywhere to put it!

Weeden beat Tanneyhill, Griffin and Luck last year....draft him!

....Capt O.@2:06

Very good post...I wrote a response but I deleted it on accident..I'm not sure I can re-write it. Any way. good post.

Home, I'd like to leave you with one thought but, I'm not sure you have anywhere to put it.

Home, I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.

Home, my baby, I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my as*.

Thx DD.

BTW... LOL @ bob the builder!

Home, anyone who told you to be yourself couldn't have given you worse advice.

If we are going to draft him at 8 or 4. He better be a starter and not a project!!!!!!

Home, don't you have a terribly empty feeling - in your skull?

Hmm...........

Lots of similarities between Curt Cousins and Joe Motana.

1. Montana taken 3rd, Cousins projected 3rd rd.
2. Predraft scouting reports nearly identical
3. Physical size nearly identical.

Just saying, could Cousins as a 3rd rd'er be the 2nd coming of Montana? After all, we do have an extra 3rd rd pick from the Marshall trade.

Maybe taking Cousins 3rd rd can have looking back at the Marshall for 2 3rd picks. Becomes like trading Brandon Marshall for Joe Montana. Would any of you do this deal? Just saying............ LOL

Mome,

God called. He says he wants his afterbirth back!

Home

I SAY WE TRADE UP FOR TANNEHILL WITH CLEVELAND THEN........BOOOOM PICK BLACKMON INSTEAD. dRAFT WEEDEN IN THE SECOND AND THERE WE GO.......OFF TO THE RACES BABY

Home...Without looking at a draft sight..or googling a scouting report...How does Tannehill throw when rolling out to his left side????

Posted by: Darryl Dunphy | March 28, 2012 at 01:55 PM

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...Too late. Any answer I know has been picked apart now by any of the draft sites scattered about the internet.. I just wanted an honest opinion. Not regurgitation of 4-5 different expert opinions condensed into your own...

Posted by: Darryl Dunphy | March 28, 2012 at 02:00 PM

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Darryl - outstanding job busting Home.

This is perfect proof Home is no more than a troll.

Good work man!

MANDO, i have ONE simple question. if we were to spend our eigth pick overall on a quarterback, who would you prefer? tainehill, or RYAN MALLET(who had just completed a course from the school of brady+billicheat). this is not to say that MALLET can NOT be had for less, but if you were currently to compare the two, who would you flat out prefer? it is my hope that miami can make a trade for mallet costing us no more then this years #3 and next years #3. i think this preseason will proove to be MALLET'S spotlight. i think everyone(yourself included) will be talking about MALLET'S preseason fireworks display. i only hope that he will be sporting the aqua and orange during what is sure to be a memorable event. wouldn't it be nice if this display also included the talent of the top reciever in the draft(blackman or floyd)... yes mando, it is all there for the taking..

Yg...How are you?? I would perfer the team draft Cousins in round 2-3 over drafting any qurterback in round 1 this year..For the reasons that whoever gets drafted is not going to play this year..does it matter if it is round 1,2 or 3??? Seriously.

This team is probably going to struggle next year. It is reasonable to say at this point the Phins aren't going to compete..Stranger things have happened. On paper, we are not a playoff team right now.

Back to the point...I like Qb. Cousins. If we can draft him in the area he is projected it beats moving up on a guy that is going to be a project anyway. Who's odds of becoming a franchise guy are really closer to a second to third round prospect anyway. IMO it would be a mistake to draft a quarterback in the first round this year...Sorry first round QB guys...Just my opinion.

as a longtime dolfan, i have to admit, that is a VERY exciting scenario. and if I am excited about such a possibility(MALLET + BLACKKMAN) then so to are an awful lot of fans.

No matter what, trading up to #4 will cost a 2013 1st rd draft pick. Probably this year's 2nd rd pick too. Cleveland will ask at least half of what the Skins paid to move up to #2.

So ask yourselves these 2 questions:

1. Is Tannehill worth 2 #1's and a 2nd rd pick?
2. Is Blackmon(WR) worth this much too?

Guys, step away from the ledge. After Luck and RG3 there isnt a player in this draft worth 2 #1's and a 2nd rd pick. CASE CLOSED!

Trading up or drafting Tannehill at #8 would be a HUGE mistake!!!! The guy simply does not have the intangibles to justify that high of a pick. Tannehill is a late 1st or early 2nd rd pick at best!!! Nothing more...you can't turn a frog into a prince...the Phins can't allow the fans to govern their thinking. The present quarterback situation is not bad at all!!! Get VALUE with that #8 pick!!!!

Cleveland won't take a QB at #4, and I don't see any other teams trading up for Tannehill ahead of Miami. Tannehill should still be there at #8 for Miami. I think Miami could trade back and still get Tannehill in the 9-20 range. If Miami doesn't pick him he will fall like Aaron Rodgers years ago. This year is a rare year with two freakish good QBs in the draft. Most other years Tannehill would have been top 5 pick, only maybe Barkley if he came out this year could have the potential to go before Tannehill.

DD,

Reread my post. Im saying draft Cousins 3rd rd right where he's projected to go.

After reading Montana's predraft scouting report, physical size included. He's the mirror image of Montana right down to being projected 3rd rd.

Also, at the time the 49ers qb situation pretty much mirrored ours. Hopefully taking Cousins 3rd rd will also mirror Montana's pro football success. LOL

YG, check out my scenario 2 draft when you have a chance at:

http://www.nfldraftfan.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=18

Not that it would go down like that but has a possibility if the trade goes down. Let me know what you think.

The Dolphins should have the inside track on the abilities of Tannehill since Sherman has coached him. Just like Flynn, if he is not seen as worth the #8 pick then Miami will pass on him or trade back and hope he is still available. They may like one of the round 2 QBs better. Either way the #1 pick needs to be either a QB, WR, TE, or DE/OLB. We already have too much cap space invested on offensive lineman. We need playmakers.

YG, your an idiot for comparing a guy whos never played a down in the NFL to a legend, just becasue there the same size. SMH

I would NOT trade with Cleveland to get Tannenhill..nor would I take Tannenhill at 8...if they are to trade with Cleveland they need to draft ahead of the Rams to get Blackmon... He will contribute from day 1 and fill the void left by Marshall...If they stay the coarse they need to take DE/OLB Courtney Upshaw...he's the next Lawrence Taylor and will fit perfect in 4-3/3-4 hybrid defense...Need a plamker opposite Cam Wake..

...Yg. I know what you were getting at. That would be something. And the similarities are similar...I was just adding on a little while Cousins was a topic...

Home, do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth?

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