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Would Dolphins trade up for Tannehill?

Talk around the hallways of the Breakers Hotel during the NFL annual meeting this week included whispers of the Cleveland Browns wanting to trade down from their perch at No. 4 in the coming NFL draft. That talk was confirmed when Cleveland general manager Tom Heckert, a former Dolphins personnel man, told the Cleveland Plain Dealer he would consider trading down.

"We're not trading up, I guarantee that," Heckert said. "There's going to be five guys that we really like and we're going to get a really good player at number four. But we could still get a really good player at five, six, seven, eight too."

You must note that Heckert included No. 8. That is the position the Dolphins currently hold and the one where Miami may feel a need to improve upon. The thinking among some league people is that Miami is desperate to draft a quarterback and Ryan Tannehill will be the target.

And rather than wait to pick the Texas A&M player at No. 8, there is a possibility the Dolphins might show some desperation and trade up to get him. Thus, Heckert could be setting the Dolphins up for that deal by talking it up.

Here's the problem: Few people believe Tannehill is a value at No. 8, much less one at No. 4. So the Dolphins, who have so far refused to overpay for a handful of quarterbacks under general manager Jeff Ireland, would be positioning themselves to overpay for Tannehill.

Now, overpay is a relative term. The Dolphins might believe Washington giving up three first-round picks plus other considerations for Robert Griffin III is overpaying. I think it's a great move. GREAT! If you've read this blog for any amount of time, you know I love RG3 and think that was the move the Dolphins needed to make instead of chasing Peyton Manning.

But perhaps the Dolphins have a great feel about Tannehill considering offensive coordinator Mike Sherman was Tannehill's head coach at A&M. Maybe they know something. So maybe they really, really want to make sure they get the player.

I suppose the Dolphins would have to consider getting to No. 4 to ensure their ability to get their guy. Maybe that's the case, but I definitely hope and pray they stand their ground and stay at No. 8.

The truth is the Browns are really the only team ahead of Miami that might take him. Indianapolis is taking Andrew Luck at No. 1. Washington is taking RG3 at No. 2. Minnesota isn't taking a QB there because they drafted Christian Ponder last year in the first round. Tampa Bay at No. 5 doesn't need a QB. Neither does St. Louis at No. 6 -- proven by the fact they passed on a chance for RG3. And I am certain the Jaguars are commited to Blaine Gabbert this year so they're not drafting Tannehill at No. 7.

That only leaves Cleveland as a possibility for Tannehill. And the Browns are willing to drop. Heckert is bluffing the Dolphins, people. I think it will be interesting to see if Heckert and a large Cleveland contingent are at Tannehill's Pro Day Thursday.

Usually that would signal a significant interest by a team in a player. I would expect that's exactly what the Browns would like to show they have in Tannehill to make Miami nervous.

Don't be nervous, Miami -- at least not about Cleveland.

Now the Dolphins might be concerned teams behind them might want to trade up to take Tannehill. The Chiefs at No. 11 need a quarterback and might want to pull ahead of Miami for a chance at Tannehill. That seems to be the only team likely to threaten Miami in this scenario.

So are St. Louis, Tampa or Jacksonville willing to drop back to 11? I guess it depends on their board and the compensation offered. I find it hard to believe KC GM Scott Pioli would pay too much for the chance to move up four to six spots to take Tannehill.

And why do I say this? I guess it boils down to the player not the move. Frankly, I don't see Tannehill as a top 10 player. I think he might go that high. But I think the reason would be because he's a quarterback, the NFL is a QB league, and somebody might be desperate enough to overdraft him.

I just hope that as far as flying up to No. 4 overall, it's not the Dolphins.

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Now your off on a false tangent. I didn't compare Tebow to Weeden. You were the one implying if Weeden beat RG3 then he must be better. By that logic, Tebow is better than Rothlisberger because Tebow beat him in the playoffs. So you see, your logic is flawed. Distorting my argument or writing LOL won't change that.

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your arguement is the one on the false tangent... Weeden played great hence winning... U used Tebow in an analogy and that is why i literally laughed out loud when i read that. RGIII is great no doubt but when they matched up Weeden had the superior day. If RGIII didn't throw up 2 picks that game and led Baylor's offense to only 24 points compared to 54 by Weeden then maybe your statement might make sense.

Weeden played better. Period.

Where are people getting the crap, Mike Sherman knopws Tannehill better than anyone else?

Tannehill's a coverted "college wr". 2011 was his first "full" starting season at the qb position. Has anyone considered that Sherman made him the starter beccause he was the best "option" available based on what he had on his college roster?

What's so damn "intimate" about that is what I cant understand? If Tannehill was a 3 or 4yr starter then I would say Sherman has "intimate knowledge" about him.

If I hear "Sheman has intimate knowledge about Tannehill" one more time. I hope the person saying it haed explodes! LOL

B33, you can't even follow your own logic or your own arguments nor comprehend my simple points. I hereby cease and desist our debate.

Let's keep in mind, Armando merely posed the question as to whether they would trade up for Tannehill. It has no basis in reality and is merely a blog topic. I will be shocked if anyone trades up to 4 to take him, to take someone else maybe, but not Tannehill.

LOL, at 8th Tannehill is a MASSIVE reach, if they trade up I will find my way to Occupy Davie until Ireland leaves. While Tannehill may prove to be a good QB, it will take a good couple of years. Why? Because he is not anywhere close to being ready for it. He could not even handle it at the college level playing against joke defenses in the Big XII, how on earth is he going to excel at the next level?

If Philbin is the supposed offensive guru mind he is then he should be able to mold a similar type of player with the same so called potential but found in later rounds (Cousins, Wilson) instead of depriving the team of much needed draft picks. If we trade up for him he'd better become a mega star QB or ALL of them, Ireland, coaches, etc must be fired.

I liked the Philbin hire because of his time at Green Bay and although he deserves time to prove himself I am beginning to get tired of all the posts here by people talking about the guy as if he's this sort of genius, future HOF coach. He's done nothing yet, I hope he becomes a great coach but it will be naive to forget he's a rookie head coach after all.

intimate meaning close; or personal from association... don't blame me if you don't understand the meaning. Sherman was his head coach... need I say more. I'm out i'm done feeding the trolls

B33RCA53 | March 28, 2012 at 11:28 PM,

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Now Einstein, lets hope Sherman doesnt have "intimate knowledge" of Tannehill. That would create quite the problem if the two of them were left alone in the showers!

Seems Idiotville has no city limits! LOL

..I was thinking about Tannehill a bit today. I would think that if we could put Tannehill in a group with all of the first round quarterbacks drafted in say the last 4 years where he would rank? I understand this doesn't matter as every year there is a class of players...They go where they are rated that year..I get it. But for the sake of the exercise humor me..

Would Tannehill even be a first round selection? Would he even be a second round selection? The idea that a team would move up in the first ten picks of the draft to select a player that is definitley a project is IMO crazy..Different story if it your pick(in this case I would still be on the side of bad choice should QB Tannehill be the choice at 8)..I don't think for a second that the team is going to move up in this draft..I also see no need to take a first round quarterback this year. Any guy we get, from round 1 to round 7 is going to sit and learn the offense. I think the team is going to struggle big time next year. Just look at our skill position players, or playmakers compaired to the top, even middle level teams..It is going to take a while for this team to mesh...Forget quarterback this year. It is not neccessary to force a pick, just to try and fill a need. IMO..Both Garrard, and Moore are better options at quarterback then any that will become available to us..Barring some miraculous trade.

For Sherman to have "intimate knowledge" of Tannehill means he could give a full description of Tannehill's "private areas".

Now that's some "intimate knowledge" I hope he shares with no one! Just saying.............. LOL

LISTEN PEOPLE THE DOLPHINS WILL TRADE DOWN..IF THE GET TANNEHILL WE WILL BE BACKED UP FOR ANOTHER 6 OR 7 YEARS

Tannehill is not a 1st round pick... period!
Is he a better prospect than Mallett?? no? then he's not a 1st round pick.

I expect the Dolphins will transfer to the Arena League.

Tannehill would've been a 4th rd pk in last years draft.

Darryl Dunphy,

Better yet, evaluate where Tannehill would rank amongst the current 32 NFL qb's in terms of ability and upside. What's really scary is right now, based on what he's shown, you cant "DEFINITIVELY" say his "UPSIDE" is higher than "MATT MOORE'S".

So how can you risk the 8th overall pick on that. Im sure Sherman, a well experienced nfl coach, will highly reccomend taking a guy with only "ONE FULL SEASON" as his starter. At the #8 position. It's a move that has desperation written all over it.

I just dont believe Mike Sherman will vouch for taking this guy 1st rd. Peoplesoon forget, with Tannehill, Sherman was "FIRED" last season! LOL

No one guarantee Tannehill's even shown anything to suggest he can definitely be better than Chad Henne. Pick him at #8, you have to be kidding me. LOL

I'd like to see them get Fleener. I think TE's like him are rarer than any of the WR's we could take and he will be more versatile. Trade down or use the extra three to trade up and nab him.

Read between the lines folks,

Philbin himself has stated he feels the Dolphins offensive woes go a little deeper than the qb position. That doesnt sound like a man Looking to have Tannehill become his 8th overall pick to me.

He sounds more concerned about fixing the oline. We have Jake Long so we're not locked into making Reiff our #8 pick. I do see the potential for 2nd rd being a RT selection though.

I believe its far more likely to see a trade down instead of a trade up. The only player I see that could possibly be still left on the board at #8. That's true #8 value is The Bama rb Richardson. If neither Richardson nor Justin Blackmon are around at #8. We may be best served by trading down and still getting great value.

ion,

If we traded back to, say, the 22nd spot. I can definitely see Fleener in the conversation. But if we're somewhere in the middle, I think its definitely qb(Weedon, not Tannehill), a pass rusher, or wr.

I think TE(Fleener) is out of the question if we traded back into the mid 1st rd. Other needs are too great.

YG...Yeah. I don't think Tannehill is an option. It makes no sense at all. Sure the guy may end up being a very good quarterback..He may be great. This team is just not in the position to take this risk at this point. If we were drafting late in the first round, were playing with an aging established vet..Sure why not. To me all signs point away from Tannehill.

I am still on the side of trading out of the first round all together. I know some have called me crazy, and that is fine.. I just think that the Few players with Elite grades do not reach into the 8 slot. Sure there will be some good players taken in this range, and we may even be lucky enough to draft one..My thinking is that if we are re-building again(It sure appears to be the case) and we are going to use the draft to use as the foundation...Get as many premium picks as you can while the team is in the transitional period..

I don't think this is a team that will be very competitive next year. If the orginization wants to truley get it right..By aquring picks where you get to pick from the premium players in the draft..Your chances of finding a game changer go up incrementaly..Sure no gurantees that the picks pan out..But in this NFL continually going 6-10, 7-9 will kill you..Especially if the draft is where you want to find players..I'm not sure that trading out of the first round to aquire an additional first rounder may not be the best way to fix this team.

Have read a lot of the coments here..

..my take...I think the Fins trade down ..to maximize the number of 1st to 3rd round picks....

.....I think pass rusher...LB....TE....at some point a QB....OT....and WR (not reflecting a particular order)...

...if they trade down..they would get the trade partner's 1st rnd, their own 2nd and the trader's 2nd..then their own 3rd...and maybe the trade partner's 3rd, plus the third from the Marshall trade, and then own 4th, that would be six picks out of the first 104 spots....

.....that wouldn't be too shabby....

..how does my figuring measure uop?...just askin' :-)

Tannehil will be there at #8....

And for the rec', should be around at #38.

I've been wrong before, but I just don't see what all the noise is about homeboy. I'd rather trade back a few, and take Malcolm Floyd.

measure up, not uop..lol

Exactly what I'm saying, Hurri...:-)

Daryl...ageeing with your post as well.....great minds must think alike right around midnite ...:-)

agreeing ,......geez my fingers suk right about now

DD,

Only way Tannehill makes sense, and not at #8, but 1st rd period. If you thought he was good enough to take 1st rd. You need a Rodgers like situation(Brett Favre). Where he could sit for 3 full seasons.

We dont have a an incumbent Brett Favre situation. If we took Tannehill at #8 or the 1st rd period. Its has to be based on seeing both enough college production and upside. Because making that high an investment on a qb in Miami. Tannehill has to be the starter in 2013.

No ifs, ands, or buts about it. A rookie qb soesnt have the luxury to sit and learn for 3yrs here(Rodgers).

..Buster. I'm with you. Trade down..trade as much as posssible to maximize the chances, and find players that fit into the new program. This IMO is going to be the key..

I don't know if Philbin is going to be the answer..I hope so. What I think is going to be crucial. Especially thi next year. Is his ability to sell the vision he has for this team. Will the team, especially the vets buy in? Especially if the team is struggling..Will the players put the program first? Will they believe in the system? If we an get through year one, and then start to plug in the players we need that are ready for this "Program"..We may be successful. If the players do not buy it, and feel the team is just having a firesale...It could be a very long and brutal couple of years.

...and who knows...maybe with Joe Philbin's help, Jeffie boy can get it right this time around..???

YG

As I said, I think Fleener will be more valuable than any of the WR's we could get back there. Just my opinion. You do bring up a good point which I have not forgotten, and that is Philbin seems to be saying we can't expect much from any QB with our current line, so maybe, just maybe they go for Reiff and put him on the right side.

Daryl..after 4 years of little Tony Napoleon , the FG enthusiast...I think the players would buy in immediamente.....(just some bilingual colour there lol

We may end up with the very first Billion dollar oline.

It is telling, that after 4 years of oline expert Sparano, the new coach sites the oline as needing to improve before we can expect any QB to have more success. This also means that Moore might even have more upside than we realize with a better oline.

I will say this.....it was refeshing to read all of Coach Joe's insightful comments.....

...since two declarative sentences was Tony S's limit...


...just a bit refreshing....wouldn't you agree ?

Ion...great observation ....

...suddenly saner heads have emerged...and there is a possible light at the end of the proverbial tunnel...

Moore or Garrard. Garrard just might beat him out. They just might find it more worthwhile to get a top OT and top WR or TE in this draft, give the new offensive minded coach something to work with, than waste a pick on an average QB. Moore and Garrard together might easily buy us another year or two to find the guy for the long haul.

ion,

I say forget about Reiff because we do have Long. Think about it. Long becomes a fa in 2013 if we dont get him resigned before seasons end. That will be a huge contract.

Pouncey's a 1st rd'er. It'll be a huge contract when time to resign him. So you cant take another potential huge contract on the oline by taking Reiff at #8. Its potential future salary cap suicide.

In 5-6yrs half of our overall salary cap would be tied up into 3 players and they're all offensive linemen. Albeit, Jake Long will be close to making his retirement speech.

However, if we do decide to make Reiff the #8 pick, I will be looking for some sort of sign and trade deal for Jake Long. Reiff is a true LT, just doesnt make since to have both he and Long at what it would cost, plus have the expensive Pouncey. Economically we wouldnt be able to keep them all together on any kind of longterm basis because of the salary cap.

Not if we want to stay competive at other positions on the team.

YG, yeah, well I never think about cap an money because I don't have to :)

I think this team has gone far far too long with one of the most boring offenses in football. Really since JJ stepped foot in Miami our offense disappeared permanently. So, I'd be more than happy if they get Lloyd or Coby with the first pick, a play maker on offense.

..Ion. I agree that I think a tight end may be a better option in the early rounds of the draft. I really like Fleener. I saw plenty of him as I thought that we were going to be a threat to be in a position to draft Luck..He was no doubt his primary go to target. What I like about him is his height, and arm length..The ability to win matchups against smaller safties, and linebackers would no doubt be a mis-match in our favor..As far as other tight ends that would be a possibility..I'm not to caught up with the other guys..Anyone know, or have any thoughts on some tight end prospects?

A 2nd rd pick is high enough to find a very good RT. Right Tackles are atletic big men who werent quite good enough to plat LT. Reiff is a very good college LT that most figure we would move to RT.

But why over pay by such a huge amount for a poaition(RT) that is most often satified by a 2nd rd pick at most? If we took Reiff at #8 he has to play LT. Long's already there. To me that would only suggest a trade of Jake Long is in the works. Not moving Reiff to RT, when he's arguably the 2nd best LT out of college available.

No suggestion here...only this...after reading what Coach Joe requires of his TE, the guy they pick better be a friggin' freak....because to do all those things well...we're talking a future Pro Bowler

YG...would be really surprised if they part with Jake at this point...but your idea makes sense if they have it in their thoughts...

Darryl, off hand I don't know, but you now what? Forget the other TE's, we have some serious competition to beat. Get the best you can, get Coby and nobody will be complaining anymore that we didn't get Gronk or Hernandez. Would it kill us to draft a star weapon for a change?

Fleener ran a 4.4 forty at pro day. Its just that he isnt a great pick for us unless we traded down into the bottom 3rds of the 1st rd. TE isnt as pressing as other positions on our team.

If we were sitting at #22 and Fleener was still there. Its a no brainer. Also if we were sitting at #22, the top pass rushers would be gone. Still at #22 if Tannehill and Weedon are still on the board we might go that direction too.

Everyone loves Weedon. If not for his age Weedon would be taken in the top 5 if not ever so slightly lower.

I'm calling Ireland tomorrow to instruct him to find a way to get either Blacmon, Lloyd or Fleener. We are long over do. The Marshall experiment failed. If you don't succeed at first, try try again.

Buster,

NO TEAM, let alone the Dolphins, can afford to have tied up in 3 olinemen. What it would cost to try and have Long, Smiley, and Pouncey. Not on a longterm basis anyway. Maybe 2-3yrs Max and you'll have to break it up.

You wont be saying "the devil made me do it" if youre a gm. You would be saying, "the salary cap made me do it!" LOL

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