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Dolphins issues and answers on the menu

Do you want to know what kind of shape John Jerry looks like he's in?

Do you want to know my thoughts on Clyde Gates?

Do you want to know which quarterback looked better during the first day of the Dolphins' veteran minicamp?

Do you want to know why the Dolphins cannot afford to lose Cameron Wake? (This one is troubling because he's threatening to sit out if he doesn't get a contract extension and the Dolphins are holding fast to the idea he's not going to be paid what the best NFL pass rushers are paid.)

But the look of the Miami defense without Wake is not good. Jamaal Westerman? Really?

All these issues will be discussed on my radio show, Armando and Perkins, this morning from 6 to 10 a.m.

Meanwhile, we must congratulate coach Joe Philbin for his first Dolphins practice. In that practice, I was taken aback by Miami's need in the deep secondary. Chris Clemons and Reshad Jones, neither of whom has locked down the starting free safety job in previous years, are the assumed answers in Miami's deep secondary.

And as far as leadership is concerned, well, the loss of Yeremiah Bell is being felt.

“Y.B. has been the leader around here for a long time and to not see him is definitely strange,” said cornerback Nolan Carroll. “But we’ve got to adjust to it and grow from it as a group. There aren’t a ton of guys capable of [filling his shoes] in terms of leadership. But that’s why we’re out here — to find them.”

 

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DC,

I just want to let you know the draft is tomorrow night. Please make a note of it and heck your tv guide for the time and station.

Rumor has it they may draft a QB. If that happens, have you given some thought to what you might be able to talk about day in and day out for the next few years?

BB, I have given thought to that. And what I concluded is until said QB becomes a franchise QB, I will talk about drafting a QB every year until we get it right. So, you see, tomorrow night ends NOTHING.

I will continue to speak about the QB position, day in, day out, until Armando shuts down the blog or your head explodes, whatever comes last.

I will miss YB37 but it is simply time to find his replacement.
I thought it would be tough moving on from the R@R Express but RB22 made me forget all about them.
Give Reshad Jones a shot at SS or draft someone.

With all the Dolphins needs, I think it would be prudent to trade down and acquire more picks (if you can find a trade partner).
The X factor would be Jeff Ireland's ability to find Day 1 starters.

Good Luck Jeffey.
Bring home some REAL groceries.

Go Miami Dolphins!!!

Will be very telling that if Tannehill is selected it was Ross's choice. Thinking Ireland is in win now mode, not wait a few years (as Ireland will not be here in few years if they don't turn it around fast).

Still don't get their logic of bringing in Flynn and then not signing him??? They obviously knew him very well....if they thought he was the answer, then they had to sign him...if they thought Tannehill was the answer, why bother with the Flynn visit....just adds to their circus public relations nightmare of front office.

DC,

Scroll up.........you and I have both been deleted. Not sure why. No links, we played by the rules.

Fire Ireland !!!!

I have to admit DC's post is funny.

DC,

What's your take on Tannehill from every angle you can think of? Please respond two or three times each hour until our selection..

Thanks

Ohio is where the Amish roam & sheep are scared.

Unfortunately, my take doesn't matter now. We're in the cone of silence. Spotlight goes off of me and onto Jeff Ireland. He is your GM. He is the man in charge. I'm just an audience member now.

I'll give Mr. Ireland due respect and withdraw any commentary until AFTER the Draft.

All I'll say is...there's looming danger if Ireland's even THINKING about trading back.

But, just for sh*ts and giggles, why don't YOU give us YOUR take on ANYTHING related to football Billy Blogger.

I know I'm your only real interest on the blog, so thought I'd expose your B.S. reason for being here.

Do you even LIKE the sport? Or are you just a turd fan of another team here to create a disturbance? Inquiring minds wanna know.

Do you want to know why the Dolphins cannot afford to lose Cameron Wake? (This one is troubling because he's threatening to sit out if he doesn't get a contract extension and the Dolphins are holding fast to the idea he's not going to be paid what the best NFL pass rushers are paid.)

Ireland probably told Wake's agent that b/c of the lack of cap space that he is willing to pay him in cherry flavored licorice for now.

Wake needs to do what's best for him here. This is the business side of the sport that fans hate but Wake has earned an extension of AT LEAST ten times what he is making. The good news for fans is that I don't think Ross & Ireland can afford another PR disaster so they're going to have to cave in or run the risk alienating more of their fans.

In years past I would have said to stand pat & take the best available guy at your pick.

With the massive amount of holes on this team right now, the best alternative is to trade back, try to pick up a 2nd & 3rd(depending on how far back we go) & try to fill holes. This team will be in a position to draft high next year & get a QB with more potential than Tannehill.

An even better scenario would be to let a team trade up to 8 for their #1 this year & next year. That would be ideal!

The Bills did it for Losman. The Browns for Quinn. It is possible.

The day before the draft & there seems to be three players that can be our pick assuming we stay @ 8;

1) Coples
2) Tannehill
3) Kuechly

I think Ireland will take Coples based on his size & his ability to rush the passer. Kuechly would be the safest pick & the player I would take. If it's Tannehill I pray that this kid pans out in a year or two.

WHDP,

Unfortunately/Fortunately (depending on your point-of-view), once camp mandatory practices start, Wake will lose $10K a day for missing practice, and then he won't be making anything. So the organization has the upper-hand in these matters (as of the new CBA).

411, go back and research the 2nd-rd picks of the last 4 years and then see how you feel about trading back. I dunno, to me it was open/shut. I'd take 1 Jason Pierre-Paul's for 20 Koa Misi's. All day, every day.

Sometimes you just need to bite the bullet and get a PLAYMAKER.

Why would we pay Wake for what he did 2 years ago? That would be a bad business decision. Players don't play hard after they get the big contract. Cut Wake. Develop the next hungry guy.

Well, Adam Shefter said Miami was interested in Coples. And as Kris knows, EVERYTHING he says is spot on golden truth.

So it will be Coples.

"In years past I would have said to stand pat & take the best available guy at your pick.

With the massive amount of holes on this team right now, the best alternative is to trade back, try to pick up a 2nd & 3rd(depending on how far back we go) & try to fill holes. This team will be in a position to draft high next year & get a QB with more potential than Tannehill.

An even better scenario would be to let a team trade up to 8 for their #1 this year & next year. That would be ideal!

The Bills did it for Losman. The Browns for Quinn. It is possible."

411,

I wouldn't take Tannehill. That I know for sure BUT I don't think I'd trade down. We haven't had a pick this high since Jake Long & there's a very good chance we can get an immediate impact player. I have no idea what our board looks like but it's possible that we have Coples or some other player rated higher than the 8th best prospect. In that case you have to take that guy.

I'd take 1 Jason Pierre-Paul's for 20 Koa Misi's. All day, every day.

Sometimes you just need to bite the bullet and get a PLAYMAKER.

Posted by: DC Dolfan | April 25, 2012 at 09:50 AM


I noticed you conveniently left out Odrick just to make your point look better. Odrick played very well in his first full season. Maybe if he had the rest of the Giants D supporting him he'd look even better?

Some bloggers are just so desperate to be right they will distort and bend reality any which way it suits them.

"Unfortunately/Fortunately (depending on your point-of-view), once camp mandatory practices start, Wake will lose $10K a day for missing practice, and then he won't be making anything. So the organization has the upper-hand in these matters (as of the new CBA)."

DC,

I respectfully disagree with you. The same thing happened with Chris Johnson last year & Darrell Revis two years ago. Wake's agent will be looking at the bigger picture which is a big pay day & not the short-term.

Obviously as a fan I don't want Wake to hold out BUT I also think he's getting screwed by the Dolphins. Also he's not 25 years old so it's now or never for him. In terms of NFL dollars for a pass rusher of his caliber anything less than $6 Million a year is an insult. $615,000??? Come on....

I know what Miami's 2nd round picks have been. When they traded down in previous drafts, the base of talent was better. That's why it was dumb to trade down. They should have taken the impact players then. When they had a base around them to work with.

Miami's talent base is almost ZERO now. We are where we were in 20008, maybe worse.

Impact players on a team with no base is pointless. I agree with the point that we need impact players but, in order to have an impact, you have to have a decent team around them.

Build the team this year. Pay your dues. Make an effort to get the impact players starting next year in FA & thru the draft.

Clemons and R. Jones are the assumed answer for the secondary? This while Buffalo added 2 monster pass rushers and word is Y. Bell could be joining the Jets? This team is screwed big time. But finally, I get Ireland's top secret, ingenious hidden plan! We suck this year to guarantee the overall first pick in next years draft and finally get our franchise QB- Matt Barkley. Great job Jeffy!

"Miami's talent base is almost ZERO now. We are where we were in 20008, maybe worse."

411,

Are you kidding me??? Dansby, Burnett, Wake, Pouncey, Vontae, & Odrick are worse than what we had in 2008??? Plus we have no idea how good Thomas, Clay, Wilson, & Gates can be yet.

ESPN says Jets might trade up to get Richardson.

They were 1st and 2nd in rushing the first two years that they went to the AFC championship game but dropped to 13th in rushing last year.

Vikings taking Clairborne not Kalil.

Keuchley to the Bucs.

Someone is going to drop to #8.

WHO COULD IT BE?

Need to get Wake to practice...

Hey Happy Draft Eve fellas,

One quick thing I don't understand it's cool to debate on a blog but to insult people or make fun of their opinions, mock them or post under their name or another to take jabs is just childish. With that being said I amped for the draft.

I am on board all the way with DC in drafting a QB and I pray they get it right on Tannehill if he is the pick. I'm hoping the lack of film doesn't turn into an Akili Smith situation. I'm hoping this more like 2004 with Manning, Rivers and Big Ben. And I'd be happy if Tannehill had any of their success to this point in all their respective careers. They are all Franchise QBs.

Eli was a Manning and the genetics along with the production and talent made him the the #1 pick and 2 Super Bowl MVPs later and the rest is history.

Rivers on the other hand holds the records for the most college starts, broke all types of records at the school and ACC records but wasn't viewed as a top 10 selection until the Senior Bowl where he was the best player on the field. I remember seeing Mock Drafts of Miami picking him. He was considered a riser because of position as well. But looking back you can see they missed all his intangibles like having the most consecutive starts in NCAA history for any QB, the records, etc.

Big Ben was a legend at Miami of Ohio. Holds every school passing record, all time winningest QB but played against less then stellar competition and was considered another guy who was a riser out positional value instead of what he was capable of only because he played in the MAC. 3 Super Bowls (2 wins) later the rest is history.

Now I bring up these comparisons simply hoping this is that kind of draft. Key word HOPING. Luck seems to be the real deal and RG3 seems to be headed for stardom as well. Now either could flop but 50/50 and having to make a call I say they are successful NFL QBs. Tannehill the Wild Card seems to be a a guy who rose similar because of positional need with a ton of "potential" but he does lack the starts which worries me some. Also the fact his play is all over the board from Great-terrible and everywhere in between.

However, if Tannehill is the pick I will be a happy fan tomorrow night. If he is not the pick it depends on who we take! It better be someone who is game changer or difference maker Floyd, Ingram, Coples, Barron.

We have,

No, I'm not kidding. Take your blinders off. This team is almost talentless. Our Def. has been overrated the last 2 years. There was even an article...can't recall where yesterday, stating just that.

In 2008, we had a pretty good D & had some good players too.

Dansby? He's approaching 32, do you really think he'll be around when this team will be ready to win??

He might be the most overpaid, overhyped player in the NFL anyway. His play certainly doesn't match his payscale. Stop focusing on the name & start fousing on production.

Burnett is decent.
Pouncey is good.
Wake is on the wrong side of 30 and unhappy.
Vontae Davis is an average DB.
Odrick has potential.

Going into 08 we had a young Ronnie Brown. A hungry Ricky Williams, A younger W. Allen, a younger V. Carey, a younger & healthier J. Long. A younger Y. Bell. An explosive Ted Ginn. A good edge rusher in Joey Porter.

For every name of poential talent you can give me, I can do that same back in 08. In the end they didn't work out. Why? Names don't matter. Production does.

The talent on this team now is largely the same talent that has had 3 str8 losing seasons. You can bend the facts or twist them to suit your needs but, it doesn't change the reality. This team has a major void in talent.

#8 needs to be a positive impact player for the 2012 season!

So, the first part of Mando's blog is an advertisement to promote his radio show and nothing more? Shameful....

Draft Tannehill. He's tall. The following QBs are also tall:

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Ben Rothliesberger

Notice anything?

So I brought the possibility of Wake holding out a few weeks ago. I saw this as a problem on the horizon and I think it's going to get bigger as time moves along. Regardless of which side you fall on, here are the facts:

Wake is our best pass rusher, by far. He's in the last year of a contract that pays him $650K a year. Problem is he's 30 years old and is coming off an 8.5 sack season. This defence is totally different without him.

So here's my take....you offer him around the league and try and find a taker for him. Now that might now be a popular opinion on here but hear's my thinking. I don't see the Dolphins being anything special this year. I really don't. If EVERYTHING fell into place perfectly I think they could be 11-5 but I think that's highly unlikely. So try something like 5-11 to 9-7. Are you REALLY going to commit big dollars to Wake with the hope that this team is good in a year or two when he's 31-32? Doesn't make sense to me. Is he one of the best pass rushers in the league? No question. And that's why I'm saying you trade him now. I think you could get a pretty good return for him. My guess would be a first round pick, maybe more. Trade him and draft a younger guy that you won't have to commit huge dollars to. Now there's no guarantee that the draft pick turns out but at least you haven't tied yourself to a huge contract. First team that offers us a first round pick I would do the deal. We got this guy for nothing. To trade him now for a first round pick is a good return. As I'm saying all this, realize I am a big Wake fan and I see this as a big need on our team. If Ireland throws big money at a 30 year old LBer, expect to see some anti-Ireland posts from me.

One other point I want to throw out there as an IDEA. Is there ANY value at all to having the Dolphins use Tannehill sparingly at WR? He's on record as saying it had great value to him being a better QB in College. I'm wondering if the same could be the case in the NFL? Understand, I'm throwing this out there for discussion. It's a BLOG guys, where we share ideas. I'm expecting a bunch of idiots to crucify me for even bringing this up because that's what some of you do. I'm just bringing it up as a THOUGHT. Thoughts?

No way one season Wake now over 30 commands a 1st round pick. No way. More likely a 3rd, at the very best a 2nd for a desparate team.

electrode,

That's what we don't know. That's why I'm saying we should be exploring the options on this. To me it's like the Augnloyee (sp?) from a few years ago with the Bears. Right idea, just the wrong return. For a team that's not close right now, this is the type of move they SHOULD be making.

We can't explore the options, we can only guess. I'd guess Ireland would take a #1 in a hearbeat, just don't see it happening for an over 30 Wake. I would think Ireland and any GM routinely gets calls about players and trades. No doubt he is exploring the options.

No one is giving up a first round pick or more for Wake who is already 30 & has only produced 2 good seasons worth of production.

Jason Taylor fetched 1 2nd rounder at age 33 & his body of work was more consitent & proven. Hew was still in his prime.

Miami's asking price for a borderline hall of Famer was too high & only the constantly overpaying Redskins took the bait.

For Wake think a 2nd & a 4th. No way anyone coughs up a 1st rounder or more. Afterall, the skins have a pass rusher now.

Wake is one of Ireland's prize catches. I don't see him trading him. It could be they are holding off a contract for salary cap reasons. Maybe he could be trade bait too during the draft.

Craig M,

What's up bro? You can't be serious? And I know it was for conversations sake but why would you draft Tannehill #8 to be the QB of the future, franchise QB at that to play him at WR where he could get seriously hurt? No way, no how.

Now a potential package for him on short yardage or even goal line as diversion making the defense think he will do a sneak and toss to Bush or possibly shotgun where they "think" draw and him throwing a quick hitter or something. But not way at WR or Wildcat or anything else IMO.

New post up getting ready for the draft on "The Other Site"

This team is talentless, Im surprise so many of you are optimistic about the upcoming season. If we select Tanneheill he wont see the field until 2014. Unless Moore or Garrad has some sort of career season which isnt happening, we'll be going 6 and 10. And Ireland claims were not re-building. SMH

Do not pick this guy....

Quarterbacks

Best: Tom Brady (76.6 points above expected return)
Worst: Akili Smith (-45.9 points)

We've really forgotten as a culture just how bad Akili Smith was. He's basically the Ryan Tannehill nightmare; after just two years of action in college, Smith's ideal size and arm strength pushed him up draft boards during the spring of 1999. He eventually settled in as the third franchise quarterback in a three-man group, and the Bengals made him the third overall pick behind fellow signal-callers Tim Couch and Donovan McNabb. McNabb was good, and Couch was middling, but Smith was abysmal. He completed 46.6 percent of his passes as a pro, threw 13 interceptions against just five touchdowns, and was out of football after 17 starts in four years. In his one year as the regular starter in Cincinnati, the Bengals offense averaged 11.6 points per game. Tannehill can't possibly be that bad, right?

i'd trade down, especially if Tannehill is there at 8. This will add trade value to the pick. Trade down to somwhere in the mid-teens then I'd go after WR Floyd or Hill. Use the extra 3rd or 2nd round pick to get back into the 1st round and grab Fleener or Chandler Jones.

Robert's your Father's Brother! 2 needs taken care of before the 2nd round!

Ohio, do you have a job?

New post up getting ready for the draft on "The Other Site"

Posted by: Ohio Dolfan | April 25, 2012 at 11:05 AM

An post advertising football related content on another site is not a football related post.

A poster made a post we dont look like a very good team right now. Duhhhhhhhh......., just had a hc change, 6-10 record, and drafting #8. Even the player loosses arent that greatly significant.

Y-Bell was a tackle after the catch guy, so if he's replaced with a guy breaking up more catches, instant upgrade. Marshall, 100 catches 4-5 tds? If he's rplaced by a guy with 65 catches, 7-8 td's, upgrade....

Wake? Im sure something gets done after the draft. Whether renegotiate or trade. Wake should have waited until the draft's at least over to start holdout. He's not getting renegotiated while all focus is on the draft.


I believe we could still get a bottom rd 2013 2nd rd pick for him from a deep run calibre playoff team needing pass rush help. But I doubt we're looking to trade him. I do believe a deal get worked out with him before the end of training camp.

Akili Smith didn't make it because he was an imbecile who couldn't absorb a playbook. Same as Ryan Leaf and a hundred other guys with great talent but nothing upstairs.

The comparison to Tannehill in that regard is ludicrous. No idea if he will make it or not (neither do you) but he is a sharp guy by ALL accounts.

No idea where or why you'd make that comparison.

Tanne is the pick. Get over it. Just maybe Sherman is a better judge of QB's than the expert blogging fans.

Craig
I think as far as using Tannehill some as a WR all depends on where he is taken in the draft. You can not have a 1st Rd selected QB out there taking hits from DBs and LBs across the middle and well, anywhere for that matter. I mean, if the guy came of the board middle 3rd or later I could definately see some value to it. Especially since he will be holding a clipboard and learning otherwise. But tannehill will come off way before that and I personally could not justify gettting my 1st or 2nd rd drafted rookie QB hurt catching passes over the field.

I see FYI is still here under different names :)

YG,

Great post @ 11:16 AM

The sky isn't falling and they are trying to improve each position. Wake just had bad timimg, and even though I was a Marshall fan for his play on the field, I think we may end up better off in the end on that deal.

Wake deserves at least Colombo money but I doubt Miami will pay him.Remember Jason Taylor was let go and then re-signed a season later.Miami are too stubborn for their own good.Let Wake go and we need 2 pass rushers not just one.

PFT - Ross wants the Dolphins to take Tannehill.

Shouldn't he let the football people make the football decisions?
What' next, telling the coaches about x's and o's?

CFraigM,

WTH are you talking about? Wake's going nowhere, he'll be offered a heavily incentive laden contract that gives him a big pay raise this year(signing bonus), that probably guarantees he makes 5-6 million this year.

There will probably be about $2 more million he could make this season that highly incentive based. Like if he gets up to 15 sacks, become a pro bowler, and make all-pro. But he has to hit those marks to earn in the $8-$10 million dollar range.

Not to even menmtion, if a 5yr contract, he can become a cap casualty at anytime during its length. Meaning any slippage in play quickly lands him out the door.

If Tannehill is there at 8 I'm actually comfortable with ANY decision they make at that juncture.

Reasoning? Well, Miami probably has more intimate knowledge of the guy than anyone. If they take him, I assume the feeling is he'll eventually be a high quality starter---even if not a factor Year One (which I would not expect realistically, anyway).

If they pass, that also tells me all I need to know.

Not really going to be second-guessing this one if that scenario plays out, although it seems like some folks think that is a fan requirement!

Please join me and odin at ohio's blog. We are going to have a whoopie doo.

wasted pick on tannehill...so many holes.....wheeden is better...who cares about age..the guy has no miles on Him...could go till 40...think about it...

Tim in Tampa,

Don't take what PFT says about the Dolphins as truth. Their goal in life is to reach for any possible story that might make the Dolphins look bad. They hate them for some reason. And anytime I stick up for the Dolphins or call them out for it on that site I get deleted.

Ohio, When will you learn your lesson? SMH.

FYI,

you should thank me.......without me you would have nothing to talk about

I see most are still talking about the draft christmas wish list. Thats ok, Im just done talking about mine. Like another poster posted earlier, there's nothin left now but to wait and see(tomorrow), then biitch Friday. LOL

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