How far is Cam Wake willing to go to make point?

Today marked the first day of the Dolphins 2012 offseason conditioning program. Cameron Wake did not attend in protest of the fact he has one year remaining on his contract and wants an extension and doesn't have anything close to that right now.

Wake obviously deserves a new contract in due time.

The Dolphins want to give him that new contract in due time.

The question is what is the appropriate due time.

Wake obviously believes that time is now and he took this mild step to make his point. But here is the question:

How far is he willing to go to make the point more strongly? If he doesn't have an extension will he sit out OTAs? Will he sit out the mandatory minicamp? Will he sit out training camp?

As he increases the pressure he puts on the team by missing increasingly important dates he also loses traction in that he is obligated to be present, can be fined and, ultimately, is still under contract for 2012.

So this bears watching going forward.

Comments

[JackSparrow]

Fine, it was all Tuna's fault! But here is my question. What exactly was Jeff's job during the time Tuna was screwing up the team?

Might as well had T.D. as GM then. Apparently, being GM carries no responsibilities.

If you don't know who T.D. is then you are not a true Dolphin fan.

[JackSparrow]

Here is the thing. Based on good sources. Wake ain't even asking for Peppers money. He asking for over-the-hill JT money.

Is Ireland Jewish?

[Sweat Shop]

If he were a POP STAR...
Stephan Ross would have already signed the F-R-E-A-K-I-N-G contract.

Wake is a good football player and he can help the team.

PAY HIM.

[Sugarnuts]

Dude, the phins need to make wake and long a priority right now...they're the best two players they have on either side of the ball....both are quality individuals as well. It's a no brainer...just pay the men!

[JackSparrow]

Wake is asking for over-the-hill JT money and Ireland is low balling the dude.

Jeff, pay the man over-the-hill JT money. Screwing with Wake is sending yet another signal that Miami is clueless and inept when it comes to football.

[Ohio Dolfan]

Based on good sources?

hmnmmm profootballtalk.com? lol

[UR AN IDIOT]

Where is everyone. How am i supposed ro make fun of people if no one is here. Where am i going to come up with names if no one talks. this blog sux now

Posted by: still thinking | April 10, 2012 at 01:45 PM

Whining about blog trolls? LOL What does that make you?

You're a bigger loser than they are. How empty is your life that blog trolls bother you enough that you impersonate those who impersonate others?

Get a life!

[Just Passing by.]

Here is the thing. Based on good sources. Wake ain't even asking for Peppers money. He asking for over-the-hill JT money.
Is Ireland Jewish?
Posted by: JackSparrow | April 10, 2012 at 03:20 PM

Jack, Going by his last Name I'd say he's...... Irish.LOL

[just passing gas]

How good can a player be that is in "his prime" and can only "fetch a 3rd round pick". Miami fans always over value their own players. Wake played for the number 6 defense last year that added players to compete. Don't be so sure he's looking to rush out the door to a worse defense. And he can't go anywhere until 2013 so if he doesn't perform who will want him besides dolphins fans

[Moderator]

Sparrow -- lose the slurs or get banned.

Your choice.

[JackSparrow]

How old is Ray Lewis? Dude like 105 and still making plays. Why does Ireland think 31 is over the hill for a LB?

[odinseye]

Boulder,

You're basing your premise on him wanting Peppers type of money and postulating from there. In reality, we don't know what his demands are or what type of money he's looking for.

To be fair, I'm sure he's looking to "Get Paid".

But, my point is this: It's better for us to extend him now and let him play happy for the next 3 to 4 seasons. The more important thing is, management is in the best fiscal position as they will be in RIGHT now.

If Wake plays out his contract, he has ALL the barganing chips(sorta like Solia, but probably moreso). Even if he has a bad year, there will be teams lining up to pay him. Believe me, they won't blame Wake for getting double and triple teamed because he's lining up with Misi or Odrick as his bookend.

Long story short, this is the best possible time for the FO to deal with Wake. The longer they try to wait him out, the more money they'll end up having to pay.

[JackSparrow]

LOL!!!!

What slurs? Its a slur to ask if someone is Irish but its not a slur to ask someone if there mom is a prostitute?

[JackSparrow]

CORRECTION:

LOL!!!!

What slurs? Its a slur to ask if someone is JEWISH but its not a slur to ask someone if there mom is a prostitute?

[MJ]

Irescum messed up the cap so bad he cant pay anyone!! LMAO

[JackSparrow]

Is Ireland Jewish? Why is that a slur but asking a grown man if his mom turns tricks on Dan Marino Pkwy is not a slur?

EXPLAIN MODERATOR?

[Just Passing by.]

Odins Right, If they dont sign him now it's gonna cost morenext year,He is a beast at bull-rushing.

[killerdolphin]

Extend his contract and pay him

[We Have Draft Picks]

"Great, then we can what? Replace him with a freaking wanna be acorn? Or another Free Agent that will command as much if not more money? Then we can hope that either one will live up to billings and play half as good as Wake.

Wake has at least 3 SOLID years left in him. Extrend the guy now and avoid having to search for another premier pass rusher. Or avoid having to pay through the nose and cap strap yourself like Buffalo did this year.

We already have one of the best pass rushers in the league. Find his bookend to maximize his skills and extend him three years. Now, while management still has some leverage.

You think players(esp. free agents already don't want to come here)? Let Ireland screw this up too and see if it doesn't get worse(if thats even possible)."

Odinseye,

I couldn't agree more. My problem with all this is that Wake should have been extended months ago. The same goes for Randy Starks & btw--going back to Soliai, Ireland was very dumb not to extend him when he had the chance.

I don't think Wake being 30 is a concern. He developed late but he's still in his prime, he's healthy, & he hasn't been an idiot off the field.

With all that said I can TOTALLY see our Front Office doing nothing on this & then Ross/Ireland will wonder why practically everyone who covers the NFL rips our team to shreds. I can also see Ireland trading Wake for a 2nd round pick since he doesn't want to pay market value for talent.

I pray this is Ireland's last season & Ross actually hires someone competent who is not his lap dog.

[JackSparrow]

Tuna drafted the players right? Does that mean Ireland the Jew was making the money calls? Is that why we are in the situation we are in now?

[Just Passing by.]

But then again, Remember that Ireland/Ross are to busy looking for Acorns., Wake is one of those acorns, Sign him.

[..]

BAN Jack Sparrow

[dolfanman13]

The Fins arleady cut ties with their best offensive player. I don't think they can afford to do the same on the defensive side UNLESS they really do wanna tank their season so they can draft Matt Barkley next year? Not a likely move but hey, you never know! This team really does baffle me, haha.

[JS_in_LA]

wait til after the draft, and start of training camp, when your finances can be clarified, and see if Wake feels confident enough to have Philbin assume Wake is the man while he's watching the other players, and maybe new studs play.
THEN you'll have your talks work out right. Right now, he's in a void.
Worst possible time to demand anything.
But he may get his doe anyway. But if Im Ireland, I have no incentive to do it now. It behooves me to wait for a spell.

[konandy]

This team is putrid! So much so that's it's now past painfull and heartbreaking and has entered the "it's so bad it's now funny zone." BUT......there is one thing worse than the Dolphins mismanagement>>>The jokers that attempt to write these idiot articles who have never played. So...in honor of my new-found hero "Still Thinking," I will do the only sane thing left to do.
I LIKE PINE TREES.

[JackSparrow]

I don't give a F anymore. Ireland is pond scum. This dude doesn't know anything about running a football team.

He is the worst boss in history. You don't piss off the entire team for acorns.

[Mr. Bagel]

Sparrow. There are stereotypes, but the fact is the Jews are quite wealthy and prevalent throughout the government. "Government Sachs" rules the world, and rule you too.

[Sweat Shop]

Again.. the JETS will Take him in a second.
You can count on it.

Ross goes 'Ga' 'Ga' for aging Superstars but
ignores and pisses off decent players who help the team.

It's kind like an ON/OFF switch.

..and now that everyone is yelling, they'll dig their heals in further because their EGOS can't allow them to act reasonable

So Players will tell Players...
MIAMI IS THE WORST PLACE TO PLAY FOOTBALL !

[No Balls]

Is Ireland Jewish?

Posted by: JackSparrow

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Does it matter? Doesn't matter if he is white, black, christian, irish or native american.

The only thing that matters is the guy is a crappy GM.

[dolfanman13]

Also, age shouldn't be a factor at all. The guy is only 30. He's got at least 4 or 5 years left playing at a high level. Give him a 4 or 5 year deal. It's really unacceptable when your FG kicker is making a LOT more than your best defensive player. WTF?!?!

[Just Passing by.]

13, IMHO there rebuilding(With Ireland it will be a disaster)look for top 5 picks for the next 3 years, And I gotta bet that Philpen will be replaced next year , We are the new detroit Lions. Like Alice cooper album "WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE"

[odinseye]

I WONDER IF WAKE THINKS HE'D BE GATTING PAID IF DOLPHINS DID'NT PLUCK HIM FROM OBSCURITY OF CANADA?
PROBALY BE WORKING AS A TRUCK DRIVER.

posted by: ALoco | April 10, 2012 at 02:51 PM

A truck driver? Gee I dunno, 8 other teams, including the Patriots were all trying to sign Wake.

You think they wanted him to drive the Team Bus?

[JackSparrow]

LOL!!! They kept Penny on the roster even though he sucks and is broke DICK. But low balling Wake just proves Ireland is a racist POS.

[JackSparrow]

How does waiting put Ireland in the drivers seat? Wake can just sit out the entire season.

Wake is in the drivers seat right now.

[Ohio Dolfan]

Does the conversation ever just stay on football?

[Dr. Finklestein]

JsckSparrow. Just reading your posts tells me you are a very unhappy, irritable, frustrated person. I hope you get well soon. Life is too short to spew nothing but bitterness and mock others.

[JackSparrow]

Here we go. Tuna found Wake but you guys are blasting Tuna for all this mess. Now all of a sudden, Ireland found Wake and Wake should be grateful to Ireland.

Can't have it both ways. Was or was not Ireland responsible for all this messy acorn pie?

[Derek4Dolphins]

I have no doubt that Miami will sign Wake. However, at this point and time, the team is involved in preparing for one of the most important drafts they will have for a long while.
This particular time is not all about "Cam Wake"... right now is all about "The Miami Dolphins"... Cam Wake is under Contract for the next year. He would do well to follow the example set forth to him by his Defensive counterpart Paul Soliai. A guy who got paid nearly $16 million dollars on a franchise tag in 2011, and now is on a 2 year deal. If Miami does NOT resign him then, Paul will still be under 30 when his contract runs out.
Wake is being an idiot. He should know the team wants him, hell, Miami is the team that brought his exiled azzz back from Canada and gave him another chance... Now, with Cap money low, the Draft on tap and the team trying to find its footing, Wake decides to have a little temper tantrum.
I like Wake... I really do... But let a team offer us a 2nd round pick for him and I would stand out in the parking lot and wave "Buh-Bye"... particularly after a not so hot 2011 season where his moves were on film and he got stood up more then once... 8.5 sacks in 2011 after 14 in 2010.... that is off by nearly 50% and he had Jason Taylor on the opposite side...
Like I said... I LIKE Wake... but he is NOT being a team player when he REALLY needs to just be patient and let it work out... He IS under contract... RIGHT???

Or does that final year just mean nothing cause you want more $$$...???

[JackSparrow]

Race seems to matter in other things. Why not football?

[JackSparrow]

LOL!!! If you are happy with this buffoonish front office then you are the one with the problem.

[DC Dolfan]

I never heard Tuna found ANYONE but Henne and Pat White. My understanding is IRELAND found Wake.

[Just Passing by.]

Ohio, It's been Football talk for the last 3 Hours, Why are you asking?, Maybe your the troll looking to discredit Armando's blog.

[JackSparrow]

LOL!!!! How is that possible? You guys are claiming Ireland only had the reigns last year and this year.

Wake was signed 3 years ago!

So again! Was or was not Ireland responsible for all this acorn mess?

[Pissed. Done with Mando's blog after the baseball Cuba article]

You Cubans have gone too far this time. You are pseudoeducated. Do you know about how it was under Batista before Castro, Armando? Read a little.

It appears democracy is not really ingrained into Hispanic nations.

The Miami "Exile" Mafia is such a disaster.

I hate Castro not for the reason the Mafia does, but because of him we have what Miami now is.

Mando, how did Castro "break" your family? Was your family one of the wealthy property owners?

[JJ]

Undersized CFL, old, overrated one-season-wonder Wake is overrated. Now is the time to let him walk, not give him his retirement fund. Observe history. Learn.

[Just Passing by.]

Derek, Even if Miami gets a second(Doubtful)Pick forWake, Remember who's in charge of picking in the draft.

[Timothy Mcveigh]

Sparrow (@ 3:27 PM -3:28, -3:30 PM)

(Ireland was wrong and so are you.)
Parents tell their five year olds' that "two wrongs don't make a right."

You R E A C H E D for an opportunity to insert the slur of your dreams.

Stop pretending that you're clueless.
It's obvious...

[JackSparrow]

16 sacks last year doesn't seem undersized in heart to me?

I'd rather have a guy with heart than a guy looking to get paid to ride the bench for a year or two.

[JackSparrow]

Wake is the next Ray Lewis if you think about. Wake can go another 5 or 6 years making game changing plays. Why screw with a guy like that?

Can one of the Jeff nut sack holders please explain that?

[JackSparrow]

LOL!!! I'm clueless? But low balling our best sack master is not clueless?

Please define clueless then?

[JackSparrow]

Here is where we stand guys. They low balling Wake because Ireland totally screwed us on the cap. I guess Tuna was responsible for the draft and the cap right?

My GOD! What was Ireland's responsibilities during the last four years? It wasn't in charge of the draft. He wasn't in charge of the money.

What the hell was he in charge of then?

[Derek4Dolphins]

Derek, Even if Miami gets a second(Doubtful)Pick forWake, Remember who's in charge of picking in the draft.

Posted by: Just Passing by. | April 10, 2012 at 03:57 PM

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Sorry man, I respect everyone who is willing to have a civil and positive "Conversation" about Miami Dolphins football. But if you are looking for someone to join in the pissing, moaning and posting negative comments at every turn about every subject.... I have no time for you...

I keep coming over here hoping to God someone "Gets it".... It just does not seem Armando wants to slow down from learning how to play "Shock Jock" long enough to reign in his blog... So... just like the SS... we all left and made new ones on our own...

See ya in a few weeks.... Maybe things will have changed...?>

[JackSparrow]

I will give Ireland a break if you folks can tell me (year by year) what his responsibilities were.

I want year by year on what he got paid to do.

[klndry]

I started laughing at the post that said Wake wasn't a game changer. Man that guy more to change games in Miami's favor in the last 2 seasons until matt Moore found his stride.
He only has a couple of moves so, what is he worth? I would say a heck of a lot more the 650 k. Weren't we paying that fat toad Carrey 5 mil and what about the run away from the guy carrying the ball Crowder.
Maybe Philbins offense is going to be so good we don't need a defense. Did anyone ever consider that?

[Just Passing by.]

Jack, Ireland is a Idiot,Others he say otherwise are truly clueless, Lets move on.

[DC Dolfan]

What I thought I heard was Tuna led the Drafts in '08/'10, and Ireland led the Drafts in '09/'11. If anyone has better info please share.

[AZPhinfan]

Odinseye and "We Have Draft Picks"

Guys, he shouldn't "hold out". Its not the best way to manage the situation. I know he's grossly underpaid and realize his side of the equation and the whole "one hit away" from retirement argument. Have your agent contact the FO every day about a new deal and if that doesn't work; contact them twice. Show up to practice and impress the new coaches. Be a pro.

Just for the record; nobody has guaranteed jobs from the Milkman to Obama. I realize these young men studied footbal in college and have a small window of opportunity. Wake will have made $5M in four years after 2011. Had he studied Engineering; $80K gross avg annual income over 40-yrs, he's still ahead over $1M.

Again, he's underpaid. But, he should show up for work.

[JackSparrow]

So release him them! Terminate his contract then! Oh wait, you ain't laughing now are you? If he isn't a game changer then just release him! Let the man go somewhere else!

But of course, you ignorant morons know for a FACT Wake is the best defensive player we have on the team.

You still laughing? I'm laughing at how ignorant and buffoonish this organization and fans have become.

[Just Passing by.]

DC, Those years overlap.

[Timothy Mcveigh]

You're missing the point Sparrow...

Ireland is NOT a good GM.

from the bread crumbs I've read...

The Dolphins front office has taken on a culture of intruding and distracting the players during home weeks (with Sales and Promotions crap) and screwing with many of them during contract time.

It's not a fun place to play.