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Ireland: No pressure to draft Tannehill from Ross

No one knows what the truth is when sources are involved in a report until something actually happens to support one side or another. This morning, for example, I reported the Dolphins are releasing Phillip Merling, citing an unnamed source.

Well, the Dolphins have released Phillip Merling today.

But sometimes it's impossible to know the truth no matter what happens. Such is the case with the respectful back and forth I've apparently walked into with both Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com and respected NFL beat writer Peter King.

Last night, Florio reported Dolphins owner Steve Ross is "pushing" the Dolphins to pick Ryan Tannehill. The report, important if accurate because it would mean a real estate developer is pushing the buttons on Miami's football decisions, prompted me to reach out to several sources.

I got word back from one of them who vehemently denied the report. The source is very, very, very high up in the Dolphins organization.

Anyway, this morning King also reported the same thing Florio reported. I was thus outnumbered on the anonymous source front!

Except that this afternoon, Florio hosted a segment with Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland on his PFT Live broadcast . And Florio asked him about his report verus my report, including my "very, very, very" description of my source.

"I would tell you Steve is very engaged but he's also very supportive of leaving the decision in the draft up to me and coach Philbin, our scouts and football staff," Ireland said. "I said in my opening press conference last week that I don't feel at all any pressure to draft a need position or anything like that. And I would segue this comment in there: I don't feel pressure from the owner. And he's not pressuring me for that matter. I don't know where that's coming from.

"He's allows me to make the football decisions. He's always allowed me to make the football decisions along with my head coach and our staff. So he understands the process. He understands the thought process. he stands by our draft analysis and he knows the kind of preparation that goes into it and he's fully supportive."

Thus I now outflank Florio and King with an actual on-the-record response. Yeah, just having some fun here because this is the truth:

We don't know the truth.

It is possible Florio and King are totally wrong, as my source and Ireland are saying. On the other hand, it is possible my source is trying to use me (bad idea because that would make me very angry and the Dolphins shouldn't want me writing angry because I'm good at it) and thus I would be wrong.

How will we know?

Well, if the Dolphins do not draft Tannehill, Florio and King were wrong. The fact is Ross is the owner and if he truly is "pushing" Ireland to pick Tannehill, I can pretty much assure you that will get done because Ross signs the checks. So if Tannehill isn't the pick, there's no way he was pushing Ireland toward Tannehill in the first place.

And what if Tannehill is the pick? I guess some of you would say that vindicates Florio and King. I say it only means that's the pick and we all figured that was the way it might go the entire time, dating back a month or more since Peyton Manning went to Denver.

Bottom line? We may never know for sure on this one.

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Hmm...should Miami give up a 2nd round pick for Pittsburgh's WR Wallace? Apparently, no one wanted to offer him a contract when they were pitching him for a 1st rounder. Now, they're seeing if anyone will bite for a 2nd.

id do a second for wallace in no time, but pitt wont

and sign him to long term deal, that would be like trading marshall and a 2nd rd pick for wallace and 2 3rd rounders

coples, osweiller, mcnutt 1-2-3

wow , no thanks on any of them

MANDO: I WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH FOR U TO COMMENT ON FLO -
RIO ALWAYS KNOCKING DOWN THE DOLPHINS. HE NEVER MISSES
A SINGLE CHANCE TO PUT THEM DOWN & RIDICULING THEM. I
DON'T HAVE AN AVENUE TO POST MY COMPLAIN ON WHY IS HE
ALWAYS BEING CRITICAL OF OUR PHINS. IS HE JEALOUS OR
SIMPLY AN ASS. AS FOR MR. KING, HE'S USUALLY VERY RELIA
BLE, BUT MAYBE THEY JUST HAVE THE SAME SOURCE. I'VE
BEEN & PROBABLY WILL BE CRITICAL OF THE PHINS, BUT WE
ARE LOCAL. IT'S OUR DUTY, BUT WE DON'T NEED FLORIO TO
BE SO CRITICAL, SO MANY TIMES. PLEASE DO SAY SOMETHING
IN OUR NAME.

Armando... Have you noticed how many bloggers Ohio Dolfan is stealing from you? Click on his name and you will see. I'm sure he'd be happy to have you join his blog as well.

Tannehill may very well be our pick at 8, but if Ross thinks he's going to put butts in the seats by holding a clipboard,he is senile.

The only thing that is gonna generate some support is winning some football games. Specifically home games.

I wonder if Indy were picking at 8, what they would do?

Of course we're not supposed to be as bad as Indy. We've been rebuildng for 6 years. They just started this year.

rick come on dude, u know with this front office they will rush him and hope he wins a battle in camp to start

Let's not underestimate the FO. They have a lot more time and energy invested in this than us.

Whatever we see or think of, they have thought of 100 times over,

doesnt mean they will get it right reason

How do we really know what his FO will do.

I have to admit Tannehill does have some upside though.

We have made more surprising picks before. If 2010's 1st rder would play like a 1st rder it would make taking Tannehill easier to stomach.

I'd like to add my 2 cents worth and say that I think that if Ireland wants to keep his job he will not gamble with the 8th pick in the draft
he will pick someone he knows will be a perenial Pro Bowler and that certainly is not Tannehill.
As much potential as he may have, he also could be a big bust, and be interception prone. Threw way too may last year to be considered elite QB.
So I think he will play it safe and get someone for the OL (DeCastro makes a lot of sense) or a DE (2 of them merit being the 8th pick in the draft)
I tend to agree with most bloggers and DeCastro would be my pick. Safe, reliable pick, that will produce for many years to come, and OL is a super important role in our team. Football is a team sport and we need team players
We will not take a WR too many really good ones in this draft
No real good standout safety available worthy of the 8th pick
DE Maybe - could happen
OL Most probable since this is a big glaring hole that can come and bite us in the rear later
We need 2 OL people so maybe 3rd or 4th round we might take another one if the ones that are on our board are still available.
As for QB - Moore did an excellent job with the tools he had available and the OL that he had to play with. Imagine if he was given another 3 to 5 seconds on every play to find an open receiver. That can only happen if we have a good OL
If we have to take a QB take one that will contribute from day one. = Weeden in the second or preferably third round if QB is not as much a need in our Board as DE and OL.
But I think those 2 positions require 3 of the top 5 draft picks. then you can pick up one or 2 WR in later rounds. maybe one in third one in 4th
I agree no one wants to trade up to 8th spot and give up a draft pick - there isnt anyone probably worth 2 picks left in that spot unless one of the eleite players falls in our lap, which could happen if Tannehill goes 4th or 7th.
So lets continue to hype him up

ralph,

I get the feeling that after our chase for Manning failed, Ross has gave Ireland a little more rope and probably more time.

I just don't see how they can take too much time,or this franchise will be toast for sure.

ralph ireland has no clue who will be a pro bowler, safe pick is tannehill for ireland because everyone is saying that whos they should take

rick we are rebuilding. gonna take least 2-3 years man. patience is all we have right now

Safest pick would actually be DeCastro. No failure in that. I don't want it, but it's the safest and closest thing to a sure thing that there is at that point.

It doesn't mean they will get it right now. But it does mean you can be sure if we are thinking about it, they are thinking about it.

i agree lou, im talking fan base wise, media wide, nfl etc

dusty,

The one thing i will say is Tannehill def safer for Ireland with Dolphin fans than if he picks Fletcher Cox with the 8 pick as Mando suggested.

He's actually a good player but I don't think I've seen him mentioned too much on the blogs.

Tannehill will not be the pick at No. 8. All these Jets fans passing as Dolphin Fans wanting Tannehill with that first pick is Very Dilusional. Like I've said in other blogs; The only way the Dolphins take a QB at No. 8 IS IF the players name is Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III. Since they won't be there at No. 8 we will be going with a player that will START WEEK 1, NOT HOLD A CLIP-BOARD. If the fans that want Tannehill were the GM, I'd be calling you morons just like you call Ireland a moron and ask for your firing too. Coach Philbin will be putting in a culture and philosophy to Miami. I've been a fan since 1980 and yes I've been frustrated and disappointed too the last 10 years, but we haven't had a coach long enough to have a culture and philosophy in place since Shula. Let Philbin and Ireland do their job and the result will be a 13-3 season with a trip to the AFC Championship game. Yeah, I said it, "Championship game." Will we go to the SB? We will see, but a real fan has optimism, not negativism. Go root for the Wets You Fakers and Haters!!

WIN, LOOSE, OR TIE... DOLPHINS TILL' I DIE!!!

dang dusty..let a guy dream...lol

Our chase for Manning didn't fail. Manning was never coming here. He never had us on the radar. That was all media nonsense. Peyton didn't even meet with us when he was right here in Miami, we were the only team that had to travel to his location to talk to him.

NO on Tannehill!! Draft either Weeden or Cousins!

How do you come up with that reasoning...Reason???

He aint wearing aqua and orange with fish on his hat is he?

With the exception of signing Long before draft day, this FO has never shown their hand. If they were REALLY interested in Tannehill, no way would they have taken him to dinner at the pro day. I think it was all for show.

Give me Tannehill over Weeden. At least Tannehill has a potentially high ceiling. Weeden is pretty much already reached his potential. Drafting Weeden would be a mistake.

I personally think Cousins is this years Andy Dalton and would much rather see him in a fin uniform

Rick, my point is the media led us to believe we were in the drivers seat. We never were, ever. Peyton had no interest in coming here. He wanted an FO he was comfortable with like Elway or Harbaugh. No way was he coming to Philbin and Ireland who he never even knew. So, I'm saying we never had a chance. Miami was never an option for Manning. Actions speak loudr than words.

I also have to ask. Where has it printed that we are rebuilding?

I believe the only thing that has been said...and printed just before (or during maybe)the chase for Manning is we are in win now mode. I believe it was Ireland that said that.

It just doesn't any sense except the QB position. The nucleus of our team is 4-6 years old.

I mean if we were in a position like the Colts or Redskins to draft a QB who most folks think can start day one...then by all means draft a QB in the top 10.

I haven't heard the first person say Tannehill is that guy.

Then to add further confusion you say that you used free agency for depth so you'll have to find starters and role players in the draft...but not with the first rd thats for a project QB....whatever....lol.

3 days and counting and we'll see...

I read this blog on occassion, and have never commen ted.


Posted by: Jeff Ireland is Your Source | April 23, 2012 at 08:27 PM

Sure, right. We believe you. Every two days there is a poster like you saying that and of course you have been posting here all along. It's so obvious.

Rick

Rebuilding is a catchy term, thrown out there by Armando and a bunch of the regulars who can't think for themselves caught on to it.

What does rebuilding mean anyway? Will we have more new players than last years playoff teams? I think not. We aer still building, but we are not rebuilding, which kind of sounds like starting over.

yeah well rebuild, build whatever. I've been watching football for awhile and seen it done lots of different ways.

Oviously building from the bottom up with a strong foundation and franchise QB is the preferred way.

It's not the only way though. I've seen bad teams turn it around in 1 season through free agency, and the draft,and good coaching.

I'm not saying I've seen it a lot. I'm saying I don't think were that bad and theres not that big of seperation in the NFL.

We won 6 of our last 8 games last year. The toughest time to win in the NFL. I say we build on that,not build all over.


Philbin said to draft best player ava. Period that want be tanne unless we,trade back but I think stay at 8 get best player tim couch ca dolfan
DOLPHIN FAN FOR LIFE!!!

Keeping Ireland for ANOTHER rebuild is insanity.

Well, I keep hearing rumors that Tannehill is dropping down draft boards to late 1st/early 2nd round. And, that Miami really likes Osweiler (for some reason). Pass-rusher still looks like the pick where it's the least risky at #8. But, no one really knows what Ireland will do.

If they really wanted to give defensive coordinator fits (and if he's available (doubtful)), take Trent Richardson! With him & Reggie Bush alternating between the backfield & the slot, who do you defend against? Just a thought...

Fins will not rake Tannehill Dolfan Rick I think the QB will be Osweiler from ASU in 2nd or 3rd round. They have shown a lot of interest in him.

Maybe so John. 3 days and counting.

Whatever happens it will be a disaster, blah blah blah. Stop the insanity and hold on to your money until Ireland is gone. Mark my words this draft will be a disaster

These clowns are so dumb even us fans are smarter than they are. Don't get your hopes up guys. Just saying you'll only be heartbroken again. You know I'm right. Liking the Dolphins is like the battered wife syndrome, no matter how much you beat her she keeps coming back. Not me, not this time!

From what I've seen on the NFL channel, I predict Andrew Luck will be one hell of a great QB, while RGIII will eventually become a bust! Can't say much about Tannehill yet. They don't view him enough. But if Ireland picks Tanny with the #8, then undeniably they are in rebuild mode, meaning another 6-10 or worst season. Hopefully the next GM will FINALLY find us a QB.

SURE IRELAND IS ARMANDO'S SOURCE SINCE HE'S IN BAD SPOT ,FANS WISE ..THAT'S WHY ARMANDO IN THE LAST YEAR ,YOU CAN'T FIND ONE POST SAYING ANY THING BAD ABOUT IRELAND .......JUST WAIT UNTIL IRELAND IS GONE .....THEN ARMANDO WILL SAY THE WHOLE STORY ..

IF TANNEHILL STILL ON THE BOARD ,THE DOLPHINS WILL SELECT HIM ...THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO MISS ON HIM.LIKE THEY MISSED ON ANDY DALTON LAST DRAFT ,THANKS TO OUR GARAGE MANAGER.

No matter who we draft and what kind of talent they may or may not have if they do not fit into what the team is trying to do then they will be a bust. That is the hard part about drafting a player or bringing in a free agent. The player must fit what the team is trying to do and they must fit in with the other players. Putting a team together is harder then you all seem to want to believe. There is so much that goes into it.

I'd like to see them get Decastro.Look at the Niners,they have a mediocre QB,servicable WR's,a great running back & a great TE, but that young O line is an Butt-kicking machine.We line it up like this:
Long(LT)-Incognito(LG)-Pouncy(C)-Decastro(RG)-Jerry(RT)

A great O line makes everything on offense better, & a great O line makes the D better(3 minutes left-run clock-Brady never see's ball-D on sidelines drinking gatorade-game over)

With the next pick take Weeden or Cousins.

I would like to see Miami trade down in the first round. Pick up Tann. With the later pick and the take Weeden with the extra 2nd round pick. And fill out the rest of their needs with the rest of the picks.

Taking Tanney 8th is dumber than most of the posts on this blog. He is a PROJECT. Get IT? A PROJECT. You don't take a PROJECT with the 8th pick.

The Dolphins should use this blog as reference material for what NOT to do. If it were up to some of you, we would have drafted Brady Quinn, traded for Kevin Kolb, and picked up Kyle Orton in free agency.

GET A CLUE.........HOW DO KNOW TANNEHILL WILL BE A PROJECT ? THEY SAID THE SAME ABOUT NEWTON AND ANDY DALTON WHO TOOK HIS TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS ,WHERE WE PASSED ON HIM DURING THE DRAFT,THANKS TO MR IRELAND ......

Aloco, Armando wrote an entire column addressed to the Dolphins telling them how fans felt and he ripped Ireland and his choices in that.

Ireland is not the source. Mike Dee is, almost assuredly.

Of course, about 80% of you would probably have to Google his name despite your self-anointed 'expertise.'

Please don't compare Dalton to Tannehill.

ALoco, you and I were the two(that I remember)calling for us to draft Dalton last year. Obviously a miss.

But, I just don't see Tannehill being anything like Dalton. Dalton raised some eyebrows by how NFL ready he was. Although he did have quite a few more starts than 19.

I don't have a problem with Tannehill overall. Just two issues:

1. He WILL take at least a year, maybe two to even be ready to TRY getting his feet wet. Then we would have to(should)give him at least another year to get up to speed. That means probably 3 to 4 years for him to even start contributing(if he EVER can contribute). That's an awful long time in NFL years.

2. Using a top ten pick on such a RAW PROJECT. I go over it and over it and I just can't see using the 8th overall pick in 2012 for a guy that won't contribute until 2016-2017(if he ever does develop)!

Having said all that, I wouldn't mind so much getting a for sure blue chipper at 8 and THEN getting Tannehill. Still pricey in my opinion. In other year except this years TwiLight Zone, Tannehill would be considered a solid to GREAT 3rd round pick.

I think Miami should take Fred Flinstone for offensive tackle and Barney Rubble for half back. Bam Bam can be our Star QB

The Dolphins should use this blog as reference material for what NOT to do. If it were up to some of you, we would have drafted Brady Quinn, traded for Kevin Kolb, and picked up Kyle Orton in free agency.

Posted by: GetAClue | April 23, 2012 at 09:59 PM

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Yes, but they sure know how to get convenient amnesia when anyone reminds them of the ASTOUNDINGLY stupid moves they demanded.

Fans hate to be reminded of how clueless they really are.

It was the Dolphins fanbase that started this whole downward spiral in the first place, howling for Don Shula's dismissal years ago.

Don't even TRY to deny that, folks. You may as well deny the sun didn't rise in the East today.

FLPD........ SEEMS LIKE I AM ATTACKING ARMANDO ALL DAY WHICH I AM NOT...THE FACT IS WE UNDERSTAND HE HAS A RADIO SHOW AND ALSO KNOW THE DOLPHIN COACHES AND OTHERS WILL NOT SHOW AT HIS RADIO SHOW WITHOUT IRELAND APPROVAL ........ SO ARMAND NEVER IN THE LAST YEAR WROTE ANY THING AGAINST OUR GARAGE MANAGER ,EVEN WITH ALMOST ALL FANS AGAINST HIM, IS VERY TELLING.....

ARMANDO!!!!!!!

I hope you get to read this...cause I wish to take my hat off to you sir!

Of all the news outlets I read, including the Bleacher Report, Sun Sentinal and The Herald of course, you are the only true journalist in the bunch. That includes Peter King and Mike Florio.

You took a BS story and dug for facts. You are the only one I am aware of who - with great respect to your readers - didn't simply regurgitate information like other news "reporters/agencies".

And yes, here you admit that the truth is neither simple nor even known at this point...but at least you tried. And everyone else looks lazy.

Having been a journalist, I appreciate your diligence and honesty.

Percentage of people here with the right to an opinion on Tannehill: 100%

Percentage of people here with even the slightest clue how he will work out as an NFL quarterback: 0%

MIKE DEE WAS THE RED SOX MONEY MAN HERE IN BOSTON FOR YEARS AND TURNED THE TEAM AROUND VERY FAST ,,,,,,,HE WOULD NEVER TALK TO LOW LEVEL MEDIA PERSON IN THE PROUD STATE OF FLORIDA.........

It was time for Don to go. He had lost his ability to draft talent for today's game. The last two offensive linemen he drafted were the perfect example. 285-290 pound linemen going up against 310-320 pound men. Needles to say those top two draft picks were busts. Shula was still drafting the typ of players that would have been great in the 70's. The problem was signing JJ and then letting him pick his replacement. That was our downfall

Frank Sinatra was repulsive looking (he looked like a reptile) but his charisma convinced women that he was sexy.

The Dolphins can do the same thing.

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