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Jeff Ireland on impact of offensive linemen

Remember when pundits were saying Reilly Reiff was Miami's likely pick at No. 8? Yeah, ain't happening.

But that doesn't mean the offensive line will be dismissed when the Dolphins dive into the draft next week. The Dolphins need help at right guard and right tackle. And they expect to get it.

But in the first round? God, I hope not.

As I've stated, the first round -- particularly the top part of the round -- should be set aside for impact players. I define impact players as those who make game-defining plays. They score touchdowns. They sack quarterbacks and end drives. They throw touchdowns. They come up with interceptions.

Offensive linemen do none of these.

And yet Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland considers offensive linemen impact players. I know because today I asked Ireland if he believes offensive linemen can be in that group of impact players with the receivers and quarterbacks and alike.

“It depends on if it’s the right guy, yeah, I consider him an impact player," Ireland said. "If a guy can start 16 games every single year and be a Pro Bowler, I think that’s a pretty impactful player.”

I respectfully disagree. An offensive lineman may be a foundational player. He might be a franchise cornerstone. But impactful?

Nope.

Quick, name the left tackle for the New York Giants. Or the New Orleans Saints.

No offensive lineman can lead his team to a playoff win. No offensive lineman makes a difference in a game unless he’s completely inept and is giving up sack after sack after sack.

Richmond Webb was as good as there was at left tackle and he shut down Bruce Smith year after year. And yet it was the Bills always advancing to the Super Bowl and typically doing it at Miami's expense.

With Miami's new-look offense, it has been speculated the Dolphins will be searching for a different kind of offensive lineman this year -- a smaller, quicker lineman. Ireland said that is not true.

"I think [offensive line coach] Jim [Turner] and [offensive coordinator] Mike [Sherman] and [coach] Joe [Philbin] are still looking for big, strong, athletic types for offensive linemen," Ireland said.

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First Mo FO's!

If the top part of the first round are for "impact" players, score TD's, sack QB's, throw TD's, guess we F up by taking Long number 1 overall huh Armando?

Just because you can't name the Giants LT doesn't mean he didn't make an impact. Maybe without him Eli doesn't have a chance to make that throw to Manningham? Ever thing about that?

sazer, STFU, Fat a** Olineman are not impactful players. Who cares about thoughs oversize turds..

You can go to Japan and pay a Sumo Wrestler to be a olineman in the NFL...

Good story on our newest TE

.....Brown had the best vertical jump (39 inches), broad jump (10 feet, 3 inches), 40-yard time (4.43) of all the football hopefuls attending BYU's pro day.

With his brothers in attendance and overcome with tears, Brown had done enough to receive interest from the Giants, Raiders, Colts, Packers and Dolphins. In the end, he picked the Dolphins' three-year contract offer with a small signing bonus.......


http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201204/accountant-play-football-miami-dolphins

uhhh.... Armando you stole my lines.

I swear,... you looking over my shoulder?

FIRE JEFF IRELAND! BOYCOTT THE DOLPHINS! STEPHEN ROSS IS A MORON!

Clue, take that used condom out of your mouth before you type, I can't read what your are saying.

Ask Marino how much he liked his oversized turd, dumbo.

Hey Armando why don't you ask Marino how much of an impact Richmond Webb and Keith Simms made on the team and for his career?
Judging from this article I'm betting you will be very surprised by his answer.

I like to chew on condoms after the deed, thats why I buy the sweet chocolate ones, you get a good chew with some filling!

Hey Armando why don't you ask Dan Marino how what kind of impact Richmond Webb and Keith Simms had on his career and the team. Judging from this article I think the answer may surprise you.

So Mando,
If you call a defensive lineman an impact player then you have to call an offensive lineman an impact player. Doesnt it make sense that by removing Bruce Smith from the equation Webb has impacted the game substantially???

Now you're stealing my lines, Ohio. ;)

(check my post @ 5:28 on your site)

You see Clue, others have a clue, not you. Even Philbin said we can not expect any better QB play until we get better line play.

What does that tell you? Or can't you figure it out?


The OL are important, but not the most important, as the FO think. We're fed up of drafting OL men year after year. They could find those in later rounds. Now the team needs WR's, safeties, LB's, and pass rushers...and most important a franchise QB. Historically, I mean with Shula, the Dolphins use to have the best OL and defense as well, not to mention the QB position, without making too much noise.
I understand that Ireland is light-years from being even close from Shula, but the worst thing is that this guy Ireland doesn't learn a damm thing.

I trust in Ireland, though. Somehow, he will mess up this draft as he did in free agency. He's a lost case.

Yeah, not buying this arguement. I guess its how you define impact. If you have a LT like Long, Thomas, Ferguson who solidify the position and the QB is sucessful as a result of their play then thats impact to me. Put a second rate LT in place of a pro bowler and see what happens.

I often agree with what 'Clue' says on these posts but I am on 'sazer's' side on this one.Got to try yet again to sort out that right hand side.

Armando is trying to seem like he knows something when he knows nothing!!

Ask the Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith that question!! Those SB winning Cowboys had arguably the best OL in history!!

Straight animals. Emmitt would run 5 yards before be touched!!

You're right Armando. Let's cut the offensive linemen on this team and not draft any. Real football people like us know that wideouts arose where it's at man.

FYI Just saw this on yahoo:

Ever since Dan Marino retired, the Miami Dolphins have wasted a lot of money signing top college football players to contracts that never really paid off, so now they've decided to give accountants a try.

In short, the story seems to have been delivered directly from a Hollywood script. Les Brown, an accountant at a private equity investment firm in West Palm Beach, Fla., just signed a contract to play tight end for the Dolphins.

More acorns I take it...lol

anyone hear FIreland's interview on LeBatard's show today? further proof. Dan should've asked him if HIS mother was a prostitute!

What an idiot. Ireland hasn't changed and I'd bet will NEVER CHANGE. Like somebody said one time: It's in his DNA.....or was he talking about Sparano?

It's almost like Ireland has no NFL experience

Is Ireland some kind of alien pod people?

He better not take a olineman with the 8th pick

Real simple guys..

This draft has Jeff Ireland's career on the line period! He takes Tannehill and flops he is finished.

Ross can say what he wants, there will be too much pressure from everyone to fire him.

Ireland is no way taking a OL at the 8th pick. No chance!

Are some of you people really so moronic that you actually need NFL scheduling explained to you year after freaking year as if it's quantum physics?

Dear Dummies: With the exception of TWO games each year (determined by where you finish the year prior) the ENTIRE schedule is known in advance. ALL OF IT. You could look up the Dolphins schedule right now in the Year 2044 if you wanted. Every opponent, every site except those two The ONLY variable is the date and time.

The fact that some of you are seemingly surprised anew each year and act as if this is some kind of secretive, unknown process makes you look totally clueless.

You're the same people who stand slack jawed and uncomprehending in front of a salad bar, right?

Irescum is proof that OL dont help.

He might be a franchise cornerstone. But impactful?

Nope.

Quick, name the left tackle for the New York Giants. Or the New Orleans Saints.

No offensive lineman can lead his team to a playoff win. No offensive lineman makes a difference in a game unless he’s completely inept and is giving up sack after sack after sack.

-Salguero-

Ok Armando, tell that to Jumbo Elliot and the jets.

You ever here of The Monday Night Miracle when New York Jets lineman Jumbo Elliott caught a 3 yard touchdown pass to cap a 23 point comeback against the Miami Dolphins?

C'mon MANDO! I know you're just trying to make a point, but your severly overstating your case. Munoz caught a few TD passes as well. Do you know how many TD's are never thrown or ran for if not for an IMPACTFUL block by an Offensive Lineman?

Quit being so "Girly" with your OPINIONS-lol.

Ireland better understand and learn from past failures...

According to Bill Parcell's when they ("they" meaning whatever degree of accountability you give to Parcells along with Ireland) took QB Pat White in the second round they had pushed him up their draft board due to his athletic skills. They strayed away from their "size parameters" thinking that White's movement skills would save him in the NFL.

Didn't happen at all.

As a 2 year WR before becoming a college level QB. He is Pat White 2.0 but has MUCH LESS college experience and solid track record.

The Fins need a difference maker at a lot of positions. The Golden rule when drafting this high is don't be the last in line at a position...2 QBs will already be gone!

Cheers, Rob

Parcells commented that they chased athleticism when they should have been thinking more of a classic passer.

Cheers,

Let me see. If we take Tanehill at 8th we will need an elite O-line more than never before cuz this guy really likes to become the toy of any decent defense he encounters around. And I like the way he runs out of the pocket to relieve pressure, but he will also need a big variety of receivers on most plays just to survive the NFL. Possession receivers mostly, since you don't see him completing deep passes very often.

Call it whatever you like. You still can't have any long-term impact without a proper foundation.

No offensive lineman can lead his team to a playoff win. No offensive lineman makes a difference in a game unless he’s completely inept and is giving up sack after sack after sack.

-Salguero-

Ok Armando, tell that to Jumbo Elliot and the jets.

You ever here of The Monday Night Miracle when New York Jets lineman Jumbo Elliott caught a 3 yard touchdown pass to cap a 23 point comeback against the Miami Dolphins?

C'mon MANDO! I know you're just trying to make a point, but your severly overstating your case. Munoz caught a few TD passes as well. Do you know how many TD's are never thrown or ran for if not for an IMPACTFUL block by an Offensive Lineman?

Quit being so "Girly" with your OPINIONS-lol.

Hey, Armando, you think the Herald needs a loan? We might consider it.

This might be news to many, but Philbin is more of a believer in building a Team from the trenches, than BP was.

Hey, Armando, are you stubborn?

Anybody seen YG today?

Judging by the condition he was in the past couple of days and now, if he see's this?

I'd say he's a canidate for suicide watch.

Oscar you're a Doctor aren't you? Be on call man, we just might need you!

Ireland will draft another OL or trade down and I'm sure he will still draft another OL in the 1st round !!Ireland will then resigned Colombo to start RT again

I always am, odin, always.

Ireland will find us another Pat White.

We need to stop making what we need on the team such a high priorty and pick according to our draft board. The Packers had other needs when they picked Aaron Rodgers but he was clearly the top ranked player on their board so they picked him and now they do not have a hole at qb even though Brett Favre is gone. This selection got them a ring. Miami did not pick according to need in 83 when they picked Marino but he was the top player on their board and although he never got them a ring he was and always will be one of the top ranked passers of all time giving us Dolphins fans someone to be proud about wearing our uniform. There is a time and place to pick a need but if the player staring you in the face is head and shoulders better than everyone else available and a clear upgrade from what you already have on the field you pick him and keep moving . Especially in the early rounds.

Joe Philbin knows less about building a team then Cam Cameron.!

*** BREAKING NEWS ***

Inhale and exhale, ready, BIG inhale and exhale, in and out. That's it. Let all that bad air out and take in the good air.

OK. Now that you are primed and relaxed here is the reality that i am helping you to realize now.

in 7 days and 36 minutes the Dolphins will be on the clock and the results will NOT be a shock to the world. Jeff THE SCOUT will come out of this empty handed as always. He will be and has all his time as the Scout occupying the GM's office been picking acorns and trading for Value picks.

So if you are thinking about losing sleep or throwing a Draft party in high hopes that you will be celebrating, it ain't gonna happen.

So again, take a deep breath in and out with the old bad air. Relax and after the draft is over come back on here and rant and rave about how much Ireland sucks, again.

How can I surmise all the above? THE Scouts "MO" ain't gonna change just that he wants YOU to think it will and I ain't falling for his lies.

Enjoy and good night.

This latest blog by Armando shows that he is even dumber than we thought. How are those great impact players supposed to make an impact without an IMPACTFUL line?

So if you can't name someone's left tackle, that means he didn't help the team win? That means he wasn't instrumental in making the IMPACT plays happen? Or does it just mean you don't know the name of every player in the NFL?

Wasn't it Armando himself that reported Philbin saying we can expect better QB play until we get better line play? Now he has forgot that little tidbit?

Here it is:

“When I came for the interview, one of the things I told [owner Stephen Ross and general manager Ireland] was there has been a ton of focus on the quarterback position, as it should be in this league,” Philbin said.

“My feeling as I watched the tape, the offensive line needs to get better if our quarterback position is going to play better, so that’s going to be a priority. And we have to make sure that happens as we move forward.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/02/2725083/miami-dolphins-offensive-line.html


Armando, you are out of touch with your own reporting. Now, if you want to say you know better than Philbin, go ahead, but...you may be alone in that thought.

Ok there is exacty one week left before the draft.

Time for me to make my prediction and stick to it. This will be what I think we'll do not necessarily what I would do.

Anyhow without furthur ado.....

With the 8th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Miami Dolphins select.......drum roll please.....

Melvin Ingram- DE- South Carolina

I could live with that. Could you??

Trade down, nobody at 8 will be worth 8. Swap one's and pick up another 2.

Guys Which QB do you guys like since a lot of people do not like Tannehill. I would say Weeden, Cousins, Osweiler, Kellen Moore, Russell Wilson, or Ryan Lindley. I hear Lindley is an intruiging prospect. So who do you guys like???

"Quick, name the left tackle for the New York Giants. Or the New Orleans Saints."
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I bet Eli and Drew can name them. And name their wives. And name their kids. And name their kids friends. And name the high school coach they played for.

Point being this. The OL is like secret service for the President. Not the ones who date Dez's mother, but the ones you see around the President 24/7/365.

This one time I will agree with Jeff. I can see OL being impact players if they provide a couple of open holes a game or a couple few seconds a play.

beezer,

If there's nobody at 8 worth 8, as you put it.

Who's gonna be willing to give up a 2nd rder to get there???

There is no point in wasting a pick on any of these QB's. Moore or Garrard will be starting anyway, built up the team and deal with QB next year. We don't need a project player that won't beat out Moore or Garrard maybe ever.

beezer,

If there is nobody at 8 worth 8, as you put it.

Who's gonna be willing to give up a second rounder to get there????

"Ireland said he used the free agency period this year to "build depth."
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Maybe I'm wrong about this but I thought the DRAFT was used to build depth. Again, I might be wrong about that.

I always thought FA was where you picked up skilled players that can come in an contribute right away.

If I'm wrong about that someone let me know. If not, then Ireland has his wires crossed.

I want Weeden....

Maybe nobody will want to trade up to 8. In that case, take Floyd or Blacmon. Reggie is our only scoring threat, we need one more at least.

Sparrow, only a fool would give an ounce of attention to anything any GM says pre draft. They do these interviews out of obligation and are just babbling to fill airspace, not giving out any genuine information.

Here is a good trade scenario for both the Bucs and Dolphins....


The Bucs need a middle lber, we need WR's...

We swap 1st rders. We take Blackmon at 5. They take Kuechly at 8.

In addition we give them 1 of our 3rd rders.

Mando, does the miami herald keep you from saying what you think? Would you get in trouble if you said the obvious? And by that I mean that Ireland is a complete and total idiot. Hasnt the tiniest idea what he's doing and is destroying this team?? Just curious.

Mando, are you contractually prohibited from stating that this guy js an unqualified moron and destroying this team?

John

Cousins and Weeden are my realisitc draftees to start and try to be our next franchise QB

All the others are a shrug. Draft one, and try him out. Couldn't hurt, but if we miss on the serious contenders, then I'm mentally shutting down till next year, unless I suddenly see wonderous things from "shrug" rookie.

Osweiler is a giant (lierally) mystery, Still see nothing solid to hope for.

Wilson is handicapped from size, and tends to short arm stuff even though he has a strong arm.

K. Moore? A nice coach. Career back-up, and candidate for young assistant coach.

Foles - Arm, and not much else.

Lindley - project. Didn't seem impressive from the stuff I saw, so far.

This blog won't let me post critical posts of fire land. Pretty finny

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