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Miami WRs still a big question mark

The NFL is a passing league. The New England Patriots -- with a relatively weak running game and a flawed defense -- have proven that for years. The New York Giants, meanwhile, have been able to overcome the Patriots in two Super Bowls because they could both pass and attack the passer.

So championships revolve around the pass.

The Dolphins obviously recognize this because they have finally, finally invested a first-round draft pick on a quarterback -- this in quarterback Ryan Tannehill. And while there are questions whether Tannehill will succeed or not, I know this:

Tannehill will need great wide receivers to become a great quarterback. There is zero doubt about that. There can be zero argument about that.

I know that many of you contend the Green Bay Packers, for example, have a great passing game because of their quarterback and offensive system while diminishing the importance of Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson and Donald Driver and James Jones.

Wrong.

Great quarterbacks do not ever do it on their own. to the heights they can otherwise Even the Pats realized this when a mediocre group of receivers got them to the AFC title game in 2006 but the addition of Wes Welker and Randy Moss made them unbeatable in the 2007 regular season and undefeated through 18 games until the Super Bowl.

See the difference? Even with a HOF quarterback, great receivers are a huge upgrade.

That's why I believe the Dolphins must now upgrade the receiver corps. Yes, the club drafted B.J. Cunningham and Rishard Matthews on the draft's third day. And there are reports the Dolphins will sign Texas A&M WR Jeff Fuller and Penn State WR Derek Moye as undrafted free agents.

But all four are developmental players. And the problem is a majority of Miami's current receivers are still developmental players -- including Marlon Moore, Clyde Gates, Roberto Wallace and others.

Frankly, I look at Miami receivers and see a lot of question marks. Maybe they turn to exclamation points. But I don't see Miami's passing game taking off unless and until they do or unless and until the front office upgrades with better players.

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Im so happy we drafted Lamar Miller to return kicks. Now we have 2 of the top 5 returners in the game with he and Bush. And is Nenee wearing #19? I already have a Ted Ginn and Marshall jersey I can't wear anymore. Lol

I think you guys should cut Armando some slack though.

He has a valid point. I think you would have to admit before Marshall was traded alot of folks felt like we needed another reciever opposite him.

Now he is gone, so naturally it would lead to the thinking that now we need to add two top flight WR's.

I really believe that Philbin and Sherman really mean what they say. They don't want a WR in their spread offense they feel obligated to get the ball to.

It will be all about creating mismatches and catching the defense unprepared.

I remember when the Bucs signed Keshawn Johnson and Gruden was running the WCO. Although they eventually won the Super Bowl, Johnson was not a happy camper. Gruden was even criticized for leaving Johnson on the sideline for certain formations.

Philbin and Sherman probably don't want to have to deal with that.

How about them Dolphins ?

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And Stafford didn't have a broken shoulder? Call me crazy but a broken shoulder is worse than a twisted ankle.

Tannehill is Jay Culter part two.

Mando,

The key word is building. The last team that took a QB as high as we did & made a legitimate push toward a SB was Pittsburgh when they took Big Ben. This ain't happening with Tannehill. First of all he's not NFL ready like Ben was & we don't have as good of a team as the Steelers had.

I'd much rather have a RT that protects the QB (whether it's Moore, Garrard or Tannehill) than a WR. Hopefully we can be somewhat competitive this year with Moore @ QB & let Tannehill learn behind him.

You can't upgrade every position in one season so we can upgrade the WR's along with the FS position next year. If Jerry or someone else doesn't step up @ RG then we'll need to address that next year too. We traded away Marshall, cut Bell, & JT retired however the team has now upgraded (or tried to upgrade) the following positions through FA & the draft;

1) QB--Future long term solution & depth
2) CB--By signing Richard Marshall we either got a better starter to pair with Davis or 3rd CB
3) DE--Assuming Wake situation is resolved & we hit on Olivier
4) TE--A legitimate vertical threat
5) RB--Miller was a steal. If Thomas, Bush, & Miller can all stay healthy we can realistically win 9 games this year
6) RT--Deeper & can't be worse than Columbo as our starter
7) OLB--Not sure if we have ONE guy as good as Taylor even though he was 37 but we're deeper


Rick

You guys are at it again. Thomas is going nowhere. He is our power back. I said it yesterday, every time we pick up a player, someone comes along to say the current player at that position is at jeopardy. It's called depth, as Ireland said only yesterday, building depth at a position. Miller is more like Bush, he won't fill Thomas's shoes.

We draft a tackle and everyone says Long's days are numbered. Crazy. If you let go of a good player for every good player you pick up, well that is going nowhere.

Many of you can't wait to shout BUST as though it gives you some satisfaction. You have to give players more than a rookie season to prove themselves. Not to mention last year we installed a brand new offense with a short preseason, making it that much harder for the rookies.

@ralph ortega

I agree! We are deep in QB knowledge. I just question if there will be fair and honest competition.

Y'all think Tanne will hump his wife with a twisted ankle?

Don't think so. She probably gonna divorce him and marry Matt Moore.

Heck, Ross values family so much? Maybe we should line Tanne's wife up at Right Tackle.

I know there are people who say that we're rebuilding this year by taking Tannehill BUT don't tell me we can't win more than 6 games with what we added. Yes we lost a Pro-Bowl WR which hasn't been replaced & won't be this year BUT I'd take a potential starting RT, a stretch the field TE, & a HR hitter @ RB over one guy. There's no question--that as a whole--our offense has been upgraded.

Chill out Devil,

I'm not the enemy. I'm just trying to figure out the logic. I guess you didn't see my earlier post about keeping Long.

I'm usally the one on here saying we should keep our players.

I feel just like you do. Get rid of Dansby because he's overpaid. Go ahead and release Wake because he's ungrateful blah blah blah. That aint me dude.

Heck, I didn't see Tedd Ginn SENIOR running back kicks.

Family is great when the boo birds are trashing your name all over the place.

But in practical terms, a family member doesn't mean a hill of beans in the grand SCHEME OF THINGS.

Anyone who looks at our WRs and thinks Bess or Hartline would be anything more than a third WR on ANY other team is kidding themselves. And beyond that any of these guys: Gates, Naanee, Moore, Wallace, Cunningham, Matthews, Moye and Fuller is just as likely to get cut as they are to start. Probably the best available WR available right now is Patrick Crayton. He could start for Miami.

Until Ross realizes that Ireland is in over his head as a GM (which might be asking too much since he doesn't yet realize Ross himself is in over his head as an owner, it takes more than money to be a good owner) the Dolphins are screwed.

Notice that we don't have a RG, let alone someone capable of starting and if the season started tomorrow, Koa Misi would be starting at OLB and Chris Clemons and Retard Jones would be the safeties.

DevilsAdvocate,

Great post. If anything (assuming health) Thomas is going to be used more this year.

This is before my time but didn't we have three backs with Csonka, Kick, & Mercury Morris???

Upgraded how? None of these picks have ever taken a NFL snap!

You folks are CRAZY if you think Ryan will shred Buffalo and the Jets defense.

Couple that with trying to come from behind against New England's OFFENSE!

#ComeOnMan

I say we play the guys we got and see who they really are. Moore , Wallace and Pruitt really show signs of being solid wideouts. Bess and Hartline do too. The westcoast doesn't need one great wideout it needs several role playing wideouts that are good at playing their roles. Some big body guys some shifty guys some speedsters. If you can get a group of solid role playing wrs you can put a world of hurt on the other defense. Ask yourself this how many teams carry 5 solid corners? None really most nickel backs are shaky in coverage. So if you can line up play in and play out with a group of solid guys you will still be outnumbering the amount of quality players they have to cover with. We can upgrade that position next year but the bigger holes were the ones we filled this year. Our wideouts now are not all that bad and may indeed excel in this new system.

One poster claimed HE HAD NO DOUBT TANNE IS THE ONE!

That's just silly buffoonery.

You Fin Fans are silly beyond belief. What about this saying. Hope for the best but plan for the worst?

You fin fans are hoping for the best and planning for the best.

History shows you are DEAD WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im so happy we didnt draft an O lineman with our 1st pick. I kept saying all along, we didnt need to.
Ireland knows the league has a problem covering tight ends. We look pretty good with Fasano as our 3rd stringer because Egnew is a Beast (Mackey Award semifinalist).
I can't wait for camp so I can get a good look at the WR's.

I'm not the enemy. I'm just trying to figure out the logic. I guess you didn't see my earlier post about keeping Long.

IMO--The logic behind trading up for Miller is that he was too good of a player not to take.

BTW--I love the "experts" who keep saying that you can't win in this league by running the football & yet isn't that what the Niners & the Ravens are??? Smith & Flacco are not elite QB's & still could've been playing in the SB if not for one or two plays.

Something to bear in mind with the WCO....By speeding up the tempo the goal is to run more plays on offense which ends up leading to more--not less--rushing attempts & yards.

The guy Ireland was trying to make a comparison to but didnt want to say was Miles Austin. He found him undrafted.

Upgraded how? None of these picks have ever taken a NFL snap!

Sparrow,

Why don't you actually read the post before you spew you nonsense??? By taking a player in the draft at a certain position--at the least--you are upgrading depth & hopefully upgrading talent Martin is an upgrade in terms of depth at Tackle, Miller is an upgrade in terms of depth at RB, Egnew is an upgrade in terms of depth @ TE, Olivier is an upgrade in depth @ DE, etc.

Whether Tannehill starts this year or not, he's still an upgrade in terms of talent & depth than Devlin @ QB.

I wasn't talking to you. Instead of responding ad naseum try reading the postings.

If they pertained to you then respond. If they don't then move on.

I would like to congratulate you all on your fantastic posting. This type of enthusiasm is sure to get the season ticket base up to 31,000. Pretty soon we will have as many seats sold as most CFL teams. Congrats fellas.

Also I have give myself a grape juice enema. I will be spending the rest of the day in diapers watching reruns of Threes Company.

PS...if you CHOOSE to respond then try answering the question also.

HOW HAS THIS TEAM UPGRADED USING DRAFT PICKS THAT HAVE NEVER TAKEN A SNAP IN THE NFL?

JackSparrow, He BROKE his ankle, it wasn't a little sprain like imply. Please get your fact in order.

Im so happy we didnt draft an O lineman with our 1st pick. I kept saying all along, we didnt need to.
Ireland knows the league has a problem covering tight ends. We look pretty good with Fasano as our 3rd stringer because Egnew is a Beast (Mackey Award semifinalist).
I can't wait for camp so I can get a good look at the WR's.

JCB,

Actually we did need to. Our right side allowed more sacks per passing play last year than any team in the NFL. We were lucky to get what some scouts considered to be a first round talent in the 2nd round.

We also NEEDED a first round WR like Blackmon or a first round FS like Mark Barron or a first RG like DeCastro. Most teams can use guys like this.

Strong draft. Go Phins.

Jack most of the time you post untruths, 1/2 truths, or outright lies. Specially he twisted his ankle, I mean come on. The truth please. Oh I guess the truth doesn't fit your argument.

Idle for one would like to see a game breaking #1 reciever,but maybe philbin wants the ball to be spread around, to different recievrs to keep the defense off base.And thats easier done with out that diva reciever damanding the ball putting extra pressure on a young qauterback..There fore he learns progression reading.And becomes a thinking more rounded quarterback.in the early stages.And the defense will have to exercise more time gameplaning for 5 Options instead of one or two.Also I think Marlin Moore can be something special Wallace and Pruitt have some abilities and the doped of gates wow!These guys didn't see the veiled or get a chance because the coaches we had were afraid to use them they played safe with Marshall and. Bess.Because they coached scared,affraid to looose their jobs not coaching to developed for the future.but the right now to save their ass. Have what no one has to day paientce No one here has coached in the NFL or even played true game hell I played in high school and college and I don't think or pretend too knowas much or Mrs than these guys.I just love football and want my team to be good and proud again the great.Dolphins forever no material what!

HOW HAS THIS TEAM UPGRADED USING DRAFT PICKS THAT HAVE NEVER TAKEN A SNAP IN THE NFL?

Obviously you need to see the players play on the field to know if the guys you drafted are UPGRADES to what you have. I said AT THE LEAST we upgraded the depth which is all any team can do with a draft.

I would think the Colts & Redskins thinks they upgraded the QB position in the draft BUT they don't know yet right??? No one does.

This reminds of when the Dolphins upgraded at QB with Henne. Or maybe when they got the great Jay Fiedler. Nothing like evaluating a guy based on mop up work in one of the most lop sided playoff games ever. Or when they got Brian Griese. Maybe it was the Ray Lucas upgrade or Joey Harrington. My gosh they have all been so wonderful! Oops, don't forget about A J Feeley or John Beck.

Fans were unrealistically optimistic with most of these guys.

Tanne doesn't have a resume to support a top 10 pick. He couldn't carry Luck's jock. Do yourself a favour a watch his games from last year. Then come back here and tell me he is going to beat out Moore. Pathetic.

Oops I just leaked.

To all you over-optimistic enthusiasts with your unrealistic hopes and fantasies need get a clue. Only extraordinary efforts and circumstances could produce your expectations (seen through rose-colored glasses) when taking into account our current circumstances. Yes, it's good to be positive and optimistic but reality trumps all cards. An old saying comes to mind, "sh*t in one hand and wish in the other and see which fills up the fastest."

Pardon my failure to edit my post before posting.

The WRs are a question mark but one thing I can tell you being from Pittsburgh is Derek Moye - the unsigned FA that Armando is saying the Dolphins were trying to sign is a badass. This dude started on his high school team as an eighth grader and played at Penn State as a freshman. This guy can play football. He may not be the fastest or the quickest but he can play ball. Does anyone now if the Dolphins signed this guy or not?

HOW HAS THIS TEAM UPGRADED WITH DRAFT PICKS THAT NEVER TOOK AN NFL SNAP IN THEIR LIVES?

Why won't you folks answer that?

Attack me personally but you can NEVER ANSWER THAT QUESTION with any degree of brain power.

SO OBVIOUSLY INSTEAD OF CROWNING RYAN WE NEED TO SEE WHAT HE DOES ON THE FIELD RIGHT WE HAVE DRAFT PICKS?

So explain why everyone wants to crown this clown before he took one snap in the NFL?

I don't want to hear all this McShay said this and McShay said that.

I want to hear from the jackasses mouth why Ryan's jersey should be retired in 15 years.

Just a Pure BS media article. Its a clasic case of dam if you do dam if you dont. Look there are only so many draft picks that we had. First round it was either QB or WR. You cant have both. Second round it was OL or WR you could not have both. Third Round it was DE or WR both not both. And so on. Had we taken a WR instead of QB number one we still would be here with Ormar who would title the article instead "Miami QB still a big question mark"

Jack if you ask that question you have to ask it about every team in the draft. No player drafted has taken a snap. But with the phins even you are smart enough to know the we have a better starter at RT, a seam TE that can catch the ball, a very athletic DE, that experts project as quick, athletic, strong, and with a motor. We also picked up a QB that threw for 4000 yard, 61.5 comp 29 TD's. We also picked up a very athletic and fast LB that should contribute right away, along with a RB that was projected to be a low 1 or high 2nd round draft pick. At this point all one can do is project. We'll see what happens when the games begin. People here should be overly optimistic, and not overly pessimistic like you.

Sense a theme here. Keep hearing posters say he is not the fastest. Not a good thing. There is no replacement for having multiple wr's who can stretch the field. Hartline would not start for any team in the NFL. He is a long strider...takes a long time to build speed and scares no one after the catch.

Armando has heard my posts an seems to agree. Our wr's are beyond question marks and I have been saying this before and after the draft. Who cares how the wr's are schemed. If you can't separate from coverage you aren't going to get a pick from another wr every time you are attempting to get open. Fins won't see a zone all year because no one will respect what they see.

Jack you're the only Jackass here. Get it jack ass.

We'll have to see how are WR's fit into the spread. The rest of the offense is beginning to look exciting and pretty deep.

Long,Pouncey,Martin,Incognito,Jerry,Garner,and Murtha on the O-line. Not sure what the status of Carey is. He would be a nice luxury for depth though.

Fasano,Clay,and Egnew at TE. Bush,Thomas,Miller,and Slaton in the backfield.

We should a have a fierce competition at QB and it's good to hear them all saying the right things. I was relieved to hear Garrard saying he wants to help this team in anyway he can, even if it's as a backup. He's been known to have somewhat of an attitude.

Don't forget we have a couple of interesting projects as well at TE and FB.

And most of what Ireland says is a stone cold LIE!

Most of the grape juice has been evacuated. At first it was brown but near the end it was mostly purple.

Anyone got the X-rays of this broken ankle? Nah buffoons, Ryan is just a little biach.

Carey is no longer with the team. His contract expired. He would not fit the WC offense anyway and neither do Garner, Jerry, or Incognito. I don't think the receivers are the problem, I think the 2 guard positions are the problem. We don't have mobile athletic guards that is required by the WC offense.

I hope the WR's fit into my spread as well.

Jack tell me about the x-ray you saw. Tell me where you hear about the little twisted ankle. Like I said you LIE, and it's not even close.

Cunningham...slow possession target with no moves..no burst.

Hartline...long strider who builds speed and has zero lateral agility or ability to do any thing once he catches it.

Bess...quicker than fast...can't line up outside and can't get vertical.

Wallace...unproven...stiff...poor route running big wr who has the dropsies

Moore...another quicker than fast wr who struggles running routes and has questionable hands.

Gates...thin wr who is fast in a straight line but can't get off press coverage. Isn't really sudden and has no lateral agility (can elude defenders) has to stop to gear down and make a move.

Matthews...is a clone of BJ Cunningham

No way to know UNTIL Ryan and his Wife takes the field.

Why crown him and his wife....sight unseen? Wouldn't surprise me if Ross is digging on that chit.

Probably drafted Tanne to get next to Tanne's wife.

Here you go moron Jack.

Former Texas A&M quarterback and NFL draft prospect Ryan Tannehill sustained a broken foot while training recently and will miss the Senior Bowl according to a report by ESPN.

Tannehill’s agent Pat Dye told the network that Tannehill broke a fifth metatarsal during a passing drill and may require surgery.

He will miss The Senior Bowl on January 28th as a result.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/01/12/report-tannehill-breaks-foot-to-miss-senior-bowl/

YG either someone stole your log on name or you've fell off the deep end.

In my most phlegm laden voice.

"I'm gonna fire your husband if you don't sleep with me."

Like I posted Jack lie, 1/2 truths. Because you post it doesn't mean it's true.

Well it takes a few weeks for an ankle to heal. Ryan took the rest of the year off. Plus a couple of months.

X-Rays please!

Really Jack where do you get the information about Lauren. You would s... your pants if you ever meet up with Mr. Tannehill and he knew about your post. Cowards like you hid behind blogs like this.

In the spread wr's must be quick and have the ability to r.a.c. Who do you see on this roster who is sudden enough to cause havoc in space? Look at Philly...to wr's who can run by any one in the league along with a few possession targets. GB has plenty speed and the wr's who aren't clock fast are very runners after reception. Some uses strength...some moves but they are all effective. No one can say that about any of our wr. What type of WCO are we trying to run with these wr's.

Really Jack another lie, you're a doctor. Tell me Jack how many weeks. Looks like he did fine at his pro day.

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