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Notes from first day of voluntary minicamp

It was a day for establishing practice habits. It was a day to make sure fundamentals were on point. It was a day in which Dolphins coaches challenged players mentally.

The result of Tuesdays two practices at this voluntary veteran minicamp?

""I really liked the way the guys worked," coach Joe Philbin said. "I thought their work ethic was excellent. Obviously, we made a lot of mistakes from a technique and fundamental standpoint. There wasn't a whole lot of blown assignments believe it or not so I think the guys were attentive, I think they gave effort. I think we're off to a good start."

Cameron Wake was the only player of 64 on the roster who did not report today. He has missed various times this offseason to call attention to his displeasure over his contract situation.

The quarterbacks-- David Garrard and Matt Moore -- split the reps "almost dead even" Philbin said and Wednesday Pat Devlin will get more work.

The center-quarterback exchange was sloppy today. Moore and Mike Pouncey, who had issues last year, had a couple of problems with the exchange today.

A lot of my twitter followers mocked me when I mentioned I like Mississippi State defensive tackle Fletcher Cox as Miami's first-round pick if they select at No. 8. Some said it makes no sense to add another defensive tackle when Randy Starks, Jared Odrick and Paul Soliai are likely defensive tackles.

Well, the Dolphins don't necessarily see Odrick as a 4-3 DT. They think he might be a fit as a 4-3 DE.

"We're intrigued by him," Philbin said. "We think he has a chance to fit in a couple of different spots. Obviously, in the sub packages he's done a good job inside as a rusher. We think he may have a fit as an outside (defensive end) player as well."

Speaking of Ryan Tannehill, it is obvious that offensive coordinator Mike Sherman, formerly Tannehill's coach at Texas A&M, has briefed the Dolphins on his former quarterback. But it's not like you think.

"We've talked obviously a lot," Philbin said. "We''ve had draft meetings. We've discussed him as an individual. We've watched his film. Obviously, Mike has been around Ryan for a long, long time. But it wasn't like we sat around and said, 'OK what about him at No. 8?"

"Remember a coach doesn't have the same perspective on the draft that a general manager has. A coach doesn't exhaustively watch player A and compare him to B and to C and to D and to F ... We really haven't had any discussions where he should go. But certainly he's a resource so we've asked him some questions about him."  

Jake Long said he feels "as healthy as I've felt in a while." Old Faithful is back.

Odrick and linebacker Karlos Dansby, meanwhile, missed work both in the morning and afternoon drills with unknown injuries.

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Irescum will get us another Pat White or Chad "Robo" Henne.

CraigM,

I appologize, youre not as dumb as I thought. Even you wont disagree with what 250 million American males already know as fact. Luck #1? There's hope for you yet. LOL

OUR GARAGE MANAGER .......... 3 MILLION PER YEAR
ODRICK ,MY FOOT................... 3.8 PER YEAR
GATES ,THE BUST..................... 1.2 MILLION PER YEAR
SMITH...................................... 2 MILLION PER YEAR
DANSBY.................................... 8 MILLION PER YEAR
PHILPEN................................... 3.7 MILLION PER YEAR
BESS......................................... 2.8 MILLION PER YEAR
HARTLINE................................. 1,8 MILLION PER YEAR

WAKE.......... AS HENNE.......... 600,000..........BEST IN THE NFL IN HIS POSITION .......

NO SHAME LEFT ......................

Right now, as it stands Pre Draft:

WR's

Gates, Hartline and Bess. Not exactly awe inspiring, but a group that can hold things down until the youngsters and Rookie start to contribute.

Nothing Floyd or Stephen Hill couldn't upgrade in a hurry. Add in a breakout season from Gates, Wallace or Moore? We're not that far away.

Overall Grade C+
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Tight End

Fasano's not a bad old school type of TE. He blocks well, gets open and has good hands for the most part.

Clay is mostly an unproven commodity. But judging from his rookie season, he's a quick learner. His versatility is a gigantic plus. Fullback/H-Back/TE, he does it all. I even saw him making some good blocks. Flashes the potential for big play ability. If not for Clay being green, my grade would be a lot higher.

B-
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Long, Cogs and Pouncey is more than half of a GREAT line. Worst case scenario, Artis Hicks and Jerry are a big upgrade over Carey and Colombust.

Add in a Decastro or even a later Kelechi Osemele and this is NOWHERE near as bad as Carey, Colombo and SpOrano made it look. They did get Bush his best rushing season as a pro.

This line is already better than last years without the draft. Because of the left side, better coaching and the departures of Carey Colombo:

C+
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Running Backs

Bush was awesome and will be better with the new offense and coaches. Same goes for Thomas. Not to mention that he's healthy and no longer a rookie.

If Messam(?) or any of the others step it up and offer depth, we will be in pretty good shape. I like our one two punch and they should be alot better this year.

B+
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Quarterback

Lets not pull any punches. Garrard at this point in career could go either way. I think he can be an adequate back up, but I also hope we don't have to find out.

Moore is WAY better than most give him credit for. He bounced around a little on a not so good team. What people aren't realizing is that Moore is actually developing at a decent rate. He looked good in Carolina, then took a step backwards. What starting QB didn't at some point in their younger years?

At this time last year, Chad Henne had more career starts than Moore. He came in cold, off the bench. No off season, no first team snaps, no nothing. Once he got warmed up, he got onto a hell of a roll. I like Moore and I'm looking forward to him taking that giant step towards becoming a Franchise QB this year. YEAH, I said it. He finished out 6-3 and steadily improved. Like the rest of our players(him maybe more than the rest)he will benefit from better talent around him, better Coaching/Coaches and nice new offensive system.

I'm predicting that Moore will solidify himself as a Top Ten NFL Quarterback THIS YEAR!

B+
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I'm not sure what all that averages out to, but if we truly are rebuilding, we have a damn fine base to start with. The one thing I'm sure of about this offense, is that even with all the holes, it's alot better than most are thinking.

I'm not expecting a Super Bowl run this year, but I am expecting to be pleasently surprised!

THE BUST THIS YEAR;;;;;;;;;;;


LUCK

ODIN........UNLESS WE DRAFT BLACKMON ,,,,,,,,,IT'S THE CELLAR ,...........

ALoco,

I was thinking bout you and you just popped up! LOL

Odrick My Foot! LOL

Ireland is great at finding busts.

I like Desmond Wynn and Antonio Allen, however I don't believe D. Wynn will be able to start this season.

From nfl.com I really like Andre Branch and Rhett Ellison but I dislike the total lack of OT choices and Mohammed Sanu at 3rd (WR class is very deep this year).

ALoco,

Do we have enough left under the salary to get OUR GARAGE MANAGER a new set of tools?

YG........ I JUST LEFT WORK AND I AM SAD TO SEE YOU ATTACKING THE GOOD GUY DD ...HE NEVER SAY ANY THING BAD ABOUT ANY ONE ......


MAY GOD BLESS BOTH OF YOU ............


I AM ALSO HAPPY B/C MY BOSS JUST CAME TO ME AND SAID YOU R GETTING A 3 DOLLARS AN HOUR RAISE ,THEN I SAID ,YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT ,HE SAID ...YOU DESERVE IT ,YOU DESERVE IT ...................HONEY MONEY ..........

ALoco,

Do we have enough left under the salary cap to even get OUR GARAGE MANAGER a new butt plug?

ALoco,

I no like Darryly Dong Dump. He more fake than bananna forest up blind monkey's poop shooter. He like cow who loves to eat beef. LOL

YG.......OUR GARAGE MANAGER RUNS THE DOLPHINS AS HE WOULD RUN AUTO SHOP ..............CHEATING,STEALING AND CONNING ............................ THE REPAIR AUTO SHOP GUYS ARE THE WORST,LIKE PLUMBERS .

The most exciting thing coming out of the voluntary camps is the fact that these guys will have much better conditioning going into the season than the had last year. This should translate into better play right out of the gate.
The 2nd most exciting thing is the fact that the new guys from last year will be getting up to speed for the season with the extra workouts they didn't have last year. That includes guys like Moore. We should see better play from all of them due to that.
I understand the other teams are involved in the same offseason workouts but you could see (if you looked at things objectively) that this team stayed with most of the teams they played last year and there were a number of games they probably could have won if they just had enough gas in their tanks.

..Odin..Those are some high grades don't you think? Take for instance quarterback. B+? IMO if we graded out at B+ Tannehill wouldn't even be in the disscussion. I don't know if Moore is fools gold, or the guy we all moaned and groaned over when we signed him last year. I think it is fair to say he is average. He could go either way.

At running back. I know this sounds crazy. But who is going to play fullback? Do we know if Messam can play? Fullback is a huge part of the WCO..Think about the great WCO offenses and they all have capable fullbacks..They have to be versitile enough to not only block, but run catch as well. We have all seen the Gruden-Luck QB and have become familar with the "banana" a staple play in every west coast program. Do we have a guy that can fill that role?

I appreciate your positive outlook. and the grades are your opinion. IMO..If we really graded out that well, we wouldn't be searching for so much help. Who knows. Perhaps you are right on the money, and the players are there. I just can't see them

PROFESSOR LOU............. RE YOUR POST @ 11;29 PM............ARE YOU SAYING THAT OUR TEAM WHO LIVES IN THE CELLAR COULD HAVE WON THE SB LAST YEAR ?

ODIN...BASED ON YOUR GRADES ,,,,,,,WE WILL WIN THE SB THIS YEAR.......

That's exactly what I'm saying. They were just 1 less donut away from winning the super bowl. No, I'm not saying that! How the heck could you possibly conclude that from my post?
What I am saying is, if this team had been better conditioned from the beginning of the season, they would have been much more competitive which could have translated into another 2, 3 or even 4 wins.

PROFESSOR LOU.......... PLEASE REFRAIN FROM USING THE WORD (( IF ))...YOU USED A LOT OF IF'S IN YOUR LAST 3 POSTS .............


PS.....I DON'T LIKE READING POSTS THAT INCLUDES THAT WORD ,(( IF )).

Oh, dear God.

Now you guys are adding "conditioning expert" to your self-anointed roles as "draft analyst" and "coaching guru?"

This place is always good for a laugh!

Professor Lou,

You're right. The Pats first game of the season was a perfect example. It wasn't until about the midway point of the season that this team actually finished games. By then we were 0-7....done.

The conservative play-calling didn't help much either. The game against Cleveland early in the year drove me nuts!

...Craig, Lou..How much of that conservative play calling do you think was due to the trust factor between our coordinators and Henne? To me it was clear that the team didn't trust Henne to play quarterback with the lead.

We also had it first and ten from about the 50 after the Gates return with plenty of time to get in field goal range...That wasn't a conditioning issue, that was an execution issue.

Back to my original point.. If the quarterback had earned the full trust of the coordinators do you think the playcalling would have been the same? Probably not. Teams with good quarterbacks keep the foot on the gas. They do not try and protect against his deficiencies.

Sheesh, my wife is starting to smell like a nose tackle after an overtime game! Even after a shower.LOL.

DD,

Fair point. I agree.

Darryl,

You have every right to question my grades(that's why I put em out there ;). Actually, I felt I was grading just a TEENY TINY BIT high(it's the fan in me).

Ok, Moore and Tannehill not being in the discussion?

The only discussion I'll have about Tannehill is why we shouldn't draft him at all-Period. Worst case scenario, yeah. Rather take a chance on Cousins or Weeden six days a week and twice on Sunday.

Moore is still green. Has about the same amount of career starts as Henne. Looking at him objectively, he has accomplished alot. Shown steady improvement and is DEVELOPING. Since his rookie and sophmore slump season, he has been pretty freaking decent. He's on a 6-3 roll after coming off the bench with no off season, no first team reps, no nothing. As fans and because of the overall state of the team, we're all a little too close to the forest. I honestly think Moore is going to FLOURISH under Sherman/Philbin.

In summation, Tannehill isn't in the conversation wre it up to me.

Fullback in the WCO? A pass catching/blocking fullback that knows how to handle a bananna-lol?

That's EASY! CHARLES CLAY! There, I said it, I'll say it again too-lol.

Seriously though Darryl, I think Clay will be used as the 2nd TE in the double formations. I also think he'll play fullback in a TON of formations.

Did we let Hilliard go? If not Hilliard and that big back from Canada can battle it out for depth. But I think Clay will be more than adequate as a H-Back/Fullback/TE in the WCO.

I was embellishing a bit with my grades, but as I said, I'm expecting some pleasant surprises.


ODIN...BASED ON YOUR GRADES ,,,,,,,WE WILL WIN THE SB THIS YEAR.......

Posted by: ALoco | April 24, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Really?


SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!

Odin...Yup we let Hilliard go...I won't be able to sleep in my Lex Hilliard Dolphin Pijamas..The ones with the feet and everything..Comfy!!

I'm with you on Tanny..Sadly. I think he is going to be the pick. Gonna have to support him, and put aside my own personal opinions about him should we go that route...I hope I'm wrong about him...If we do draft Tannehill. Moore is going to have to lock it down for at least this year..Garrard. If all goes right, and the planets align...Won't be a factor..A one and done.

This is assuming we draft Tanny..

Nobody here has the slightest idea how Tannehill will do.

Why is that so damn hard for people to admit?

We did get that TE from NE, I think Yeatman, who supposedly has potential. If Moore or Wallace impressed Philbin, they may very well pick oline or dline first.

To me it was clear that didn't trust Henne to play with a lead?

Darryl,

I never bought that argument. But, if it's true, then SpOrano and his staff were even stupider than we thought.

We're talking professional football. We're talking about going up against the Brady's and Belleicheats of the league. We're talking about going up against the best football players and coaches on the planet.

But we called rancid offensive play calls because, after 3 years on the team and two years of starting, we didn't trust HIM? Because we were too afraid he might mess up? Then we NEVER should have been starting him AT ALL.

There's something terribly wrong with that logic. You can't almost throw away games because you don't trust your QB. That's like going to war and NOT firing your missiles because you're afraid they **MIGHT** be duds.

If that truly was the case then from Ireland right on down we were even more pethetic than we thought. If they really didn't trust HENNE THAT MUCH, then Moore should have been starting. Then we should have traded for Orton or Palmer or someone, anyone that we could trust. If that's really the case, we should have tried anything else, rather than just sort of, kind of, almost give the games away with piss poor play calling.

I don't think it was a matter of trust with Henne, so much as it was just overall incompetance!

PS: Sorry if I sound like I'm ranting at you Darryl, I'm not. I'm ranting about the trumatic experiences I suffered during the SpOrano/Henne years.

PSS: I am getting a little mad at you for bringing up bad, VERY BAD memories though(joking :)

With some experience,Tannehill has all the skills to be better than Luck or RG3. If they want to invest a couple of years in him, he really may be the best pick here at 8.

Odin..No worries..Good post @12:23..Everything is going to be alright..We can sleep with the lights off now..The boogie men are gone.


Nobody here has the slightest idea how Tannehill will do.

Why is that so damn hard for people to admit?

Posted by: You Don't Know, I Don't Know. It's Unanimous. | April 25, 2012 at 12:17 AM


Well GrandPa, you see, we've all pretty much admitted we don't know. Where have YOU been?

You see, we're all here giving our opinions, ideas and our guesses.

Have an x-lax, chill out and most of all........ENJOY!

Draft Day is ALMOST Upon Us!!!!

Odrick a 4-3 DE....really....LOL

Tannehill, Sanu and Burris are very likely IMO Burris could be a steal

SOMETHING WITH A NOUGAT FILLING WILL EAT ME TONIGHT!

I BELIEVE CACTUSES CAN SPEAK YIDDISH! NANCY REAGAN IS MADE OF GOAT MEAT! YOUR COFFEE NEEDS A HAIR IMPLANT!

GO TO SLEEP NOW!

**POST OF THE DAY**

Everything is going to be alright..We can sleep with the lights off now..The boogie men are gone.

Posted by: Darryl Dunphy | April 25, 2012 at 12:26 AM


I laughed so hard I almost puked!

I read your post about Philbin somewhere..........where was that?

........What was the name again..........hmmm.........lets see.........OH YEAH!

I read your post over at dolphintalk.wordpress . c o m.

About seeing Philbins presser and how smart and knowledgeable he seems. Good post.

What seems obvious to me, and whats making some what optimistic is how easy it is to recognize that SpOrano couldn't hold Philbins jock. SpOrano was drowning, way in over his head.

Philbin seems to ooze FOOTBALL.

Like other have said, the Coaching staff alone should be worth X amount of wins. Especially compared to the Motley Crew we had here last year.

after tannehill we have no clue who the fins are gonna take in rds 2 and 3

Dusty,

Your last name made me think of Soiled.

I do admit, I miss that guy and his contributions to the blog.

He was having some medical issues the last time I heard from him. I hope he's doing OK.

(Sigh) :(

Too bad we didn't have some SERIOUS Californian, Somoan and Phillipino Dolphins fan.

What is it, about 9:00 o'clock in Cali, 6:00 in Somoa and the Phillipines?

I'm so excited! I can't eat, I can't sleep. It's taking every bit of my self control to not Drink Up my Draft Day "Stash"!

Coples! Coples! Coples! Coples!

I have changed my mind. After watching more tape of Tannehill, I say the Dolphins take him at 8. I would prefer if we traded down and got him, but I won't be upset if we take him at 8. Grab him, grab a receiver in the 2nd round, grab a OL and OLB in the third. If we can protect him, start Tannehill. Do not sit him on the bench for a year. He will make mistakes. Let him grow. He will be the best QB Miami has had since Marino. He will be our franchise QB for the next 10 years.

Let me add... if we trade up for him, we panicked. If we draft him 8 and don't start him, we screwed up. We need a receiver and an OL to make certain we don't ruin him.

It does sound like nice plan.......on paper.

Still, there's no way around the fact that Tannehill is the greenest, most raw QB to have garnered 1st round considerations.

I would be afraid that regardless of how much talent we add this year, he's just too inexperienced. 19 collegiate starts is just not enough to draw upon. MOST of the CB's and Safeties he's faced in those 19 games are now appling for managerial positions at McDonalds and Burger King.

The kicker, throwing a kid that raw into the fire could very possibly ruin him for good. Can you imagine him facing Revis? The Bills secondary? How about trying to match wits with Brady in a shootout?

I honestly think Tannehill is the last prospect you'd want to draft with the intentions of starting this year. Not just QB's, I mean out of the ENTIRE draft.

If we did draft Tannehill(God Forbid!), it would be in our best interests to plan on him sitting for AT LEAST a year.

Something I would like to share with you all. For about a year now I have been refrigerating the american farmer sausage and then vigorously applying said meat to my bottom every morning. To be clear I do heat and oil the tip for ease of entry. Normally i let it sit for about a minute and then have at it.

I just find this daily ritual very enjoyable. Aside from the obvious pleasure it also serves to reduce inflammation from the reaming I normally take every night. I know what you're all thinking, "ahhhh so its therapeutic." Well sure it is, but don't think that I don't blow my stack from time to time either.

Now as I said before Tannehill has the skills to be better than Luck. I have sent this information and other scouting reports to our favourite football team. We can only hope they are smart enough to listen to me.

What this guy said:

"THIS TEAM IS A PATHETIC CLUSTER OF IMBECILES CLUTCHING FOR A CLUE..SCREW YOU MR ROSS..SCREW YOU IRELAND, YOU MISERABLE TERD. SHAME ON YOU.

Posted by: Armando Stitz | April 24, 2012 at 08:27 PM


Now all of a sudden Matt Moore is going to light up the league with Wallace, Moore and Hartline. Ha! We got Nenee, Bess and Hartline is OK. We need 2 stud WR's desperately!! U might as well draft Tannehil to play WR until he's ready to play QB. Lol

Tannehill is not the pick. It will be david decastro!

Ugh.. I hope we don't take tannehill at 8.

I'm with B plus. (where is the plus sign on the keyboard) Stick with Moore, get a great starter on defense (pass rusher) see what is there for qb's in the second or third round. If Weeden is there grab him. A great interm pick that will last us 5 or 6 years.
If there is an offensive game changer at 8 pick him up. that is also a great option. Please don't sign a qb that will be a backup for 2 years. The team does not need the controversy. Fans will be screaming for him to start in game 3. By game 8 they will be calling for his head on a platter.
The Tannehill pick could be a yo yo pick. Up, down or half way decent. I would rather see a starter.

i think at 8 we should look for a really good player and not a player that isn't really good and then try to find more really good players in the later rounds. i think we should avoid not really good players because they don't play really good.

From what I see I think we are a few less wins this year (3 to 5 wins) and then 2013 we may turn the corner "if" this organization makes the right moves. But!!! Dont hold yr breath i still think we are an OWNER away from a winning franchise

How the hell does Odrick and Dansby get "injured" prior to a voluntary practice? What injuries do they have? Don't these guy workout regularly?

#8 should be either a player that will score touchdowns or sacking the qb.

Jake Long is back? Cool!! Ask him to restructure his contract so we can sign Wake to a long-term deal!

YG - you're the idiot. I've heard of those players and believe it or not anyone here can discuss potential draft picks. You're a punk so STFU. If you don't have anything productive to add don't read his posts. Idiots like you make me sick. tough cyber bullies, what a loser.

I just want them to draft some HOPE!!! its our biggest need! and is Aloco wake's agent?

put the friggin pads on and hit somebody in the mouth...friggin draft is fools gold....what ever we do it will be wrong like always....snake eyes for sheep...

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