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Smokescreens? Smokescreens? What smokescreens?

Well, the Minnesota Vikings failed miserably. They tried to get people to believe the Cleveland Browns might draft Ryan Tannehil. You see, they wanted some team like, say, the Dolphins to panic and trade up to the No. 3 overall selection ahead of Cleveland to get Tannehill.

Except the Browns, sitting there with the No. 4 pick, were too busy talking up Justin Blackmon and sent practically the entire organization to Trent Richardson's pro day. So most folks are seeing the Browns not taking a quarterback with their first of two selections the first round of tomorrow's NFL draft.

Then, the Jacksonville Jaguars got involved in the screening of smoke. Fully aware they have the seventh pick in a draft containing perhaps six elite players, the Jags are eager to get out of their pick. And they see Tannehill as the only way of doing that by perhaps convincing Kansas City or Seattle or someone, anyone to trade to No. 7 for the right to get the Texas A&M QB.

That means you have to convince folks the quarterback will be off the board by No. 8, which of course is where the Dolphins pick.

Fine. Let's do that ...

"People know Miami's going to take him," Jacksonville director of player personnel Terry McDonough said on the Pete Prisco Show in J-Ville yesterday. "If a team wants a quarterback, they're going to have to come in front of Miami."

Convenient, right?

The Dolphins, meanwhile, are involved in their own agenda-driven campaign. You know about ProFootballtalk.com's report that owner Stephen Ross is pushing GM Jeff Ireland to draft Tannehill. I had Mike Florio, the author of the report on my radio show, Armando and Perkins, on Tuesday and he deftly sidestepped questions about his source, but it is clear that person is not in the Dolphins' organization.

So here's my question: How would a source not within the Miami organization thus not privy to conversations between an owner and general manager know what the owner is telling the GM?

Clearly, other teams want the narrative out there that the Dolphins are under pressure to pick Tannehill.

(Before I go on, allow me to clarify something: Florio's report was that Ross was "pushing" Ireland on Tannehill. That is not correct. But I know that Ross badly, badly wants a quarterback drafted by the Dolphins. There is a difference. Ross has let it be known he wants the right QB picked, be it Tannehill or whomever.)

The Dolphins, as I reported through sources, said the PFT report is not true. That's good. But then they went way further. And that's not good.

The Dolphins had Jeff Ireland issue an on-the-record denial of the story to Florio. And then Ross sent Florio and e-mail denying the story also. if the Dolphins had said nothing or issued a denial off the record, it would have given no clue they want Tannehill or don't.

But they went into the realm of protesting too much. And that sends red flags flying up staffs everywhere. So, believe it or not, the multiple denials actually worked against Miami around the league.

There are rumors today, by the way, that Miami wants to trade down from No. 8. Those are not coming from inside the Miami organization. Those are coming from one place, actually: Dallas.

Interesting.

I'm hearing the Cowboys want to move up to make sure they land safety Mark Barron. And obviously, Ireland as a former Cowboys employee would be a viable trade partner because of his relationship within the Dallas organization.

What does all this mean?

Believe nothing you're hearing except this:

The Dolphins love Ryan Tannehill for his potential but are aware he's a project. They are willing to take him at No. 8. They are not going to trade up to get him because they don't strongly believe anyone is going to get ahead of them to pick him.

The Dolphins are willing to trade down if a willing partner offers the right package. (Yes, I admit, the team wants that information out there.) And if in a trade down scenario Tannehill is gone, the club has other players fitting other needs that they would sell to the public as the right call for building their team.

Jeepers, this time of year is full of skullduggery.

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if tannehill is a QB bust(first round) it will be three years and a waisted number one, you know, the first year, after our starter and back-up show that they are not franchise material, and the fans start calling for tannehill, he finally comes in at the end of the season(1 year), the next season he gets the start, we don't go to the play-offs and the comentators are suggesting this and that(2 years), then we need the third year to try it again. if MALLET is a QB bust, it maybe cost us two third rounders, and ONLY two waisted years and the player we selected with our #8 pick will be there to say, hey at least miami has something to show for our #8 pick. it will be one less need to fill, one less game changer needed. who would you rather sign, a QB that has a belicheat stamp of approval(same coach that saw something in brady) or a QB that is signed by a reach. sherman might say i coached him, i think he'll be good, and belicheat says, i drafted mallet and i think he'll be good, kinda equal, but really not, lower stakes, lower risk, the ability to sign a top ten talent to add to the QB upgrade, a rocket arm, a competitve fire that might rival marino's, and a great education, pro system in colledge... all this stuff comes with RYAN MALLET.

budkti nobody reads your endless posts with no paragraphs. they are difificult to read and really boring. you write a lot and don't say much like that dc guy.

I would have no problem with a trade down to late in the 1st round and taking Weeden there. Something tells me he won't make it out of the 1st round, despite his age. So what if we only get 4 or 5 good years out of the guy. That would be 3 or 4 more than anyone since Marino.

In that scenario we get a more game ready QB (in the 1st round) and extra picks to fill needs in later rounds. The jinx is broken and we can load up.

Weeden got it done as a starter! Tannehill just good on paper did do much as a starter but choked! alot!!

Just because you want to trade for Mallett doesn't mean NE wil trade him. Brady isn't getting any younger. Besides if he is any good, they certainly aren't going to trade him to their own difivision.

DD- There are lots of fans screaming for any QB regardless, so there will be some backlash. Maybe the NFL network guys were also talking about the knee-jerk media backlash if they don't take him... like Kiper went into a tirade about how stupid the Phins were for passing on Quinn, lol. Now espn is pushing McShay as the "expert" so he will pull a Kiper if they pass.

Weeden 6"4" 220 is extremely smart and accurate and has a cannon fo an arm! Much better choose than Tannehill who is a backup that it Tannehill is Henne all over again cannon for an arm no brains!

in addition MALLET is garunteed to make at least one home game a sell out, the pats vs. fins will never be the same as teacher vs. pupil sells out until brady retires, AND, in ADDITION to that, ireland would have cleverly avoided facing off against the QB they passed up in the draft, the quarterback who is going to leave miami fans saying"we passed up on RYAN MALLET for who??? daniel thomas??? huh??..you know, the QB belicheat deems worthy to the thrown of BRADY.. the highlight of the 2013 upcoming preseason is with out a doubt going to be the RYAN MALLET show, i only hope he is wearing the aqua and orange. maybe the highlight of the draft will be miami trading for mallet....we need some HIGH FIVES Mr. Ross...

I think the smart Dolphans will be ok with passing on Tannehill. So long as we pick up one of the other 2nd tier quarterbacks and appear to have a plan in doing so. The reactionary, and probably more vocal, fans will want blood. Whether that's a 50/50 mix you got me, probably more like 20/80.

Even if Ireland knows what he's doing I will still puke if they pick Trannyhill.

Lol! Brady Quinn.Sweating his A** off in the green room on draft day.Brady Quinn = Ray Lucas.Kiper sure pooped the bed on that one.

Did I miss something? When did Ryan Mallet win the SB? I'm glad everyone is so certain that he's a superstar QB. What is all of this based on? I'm not saying he's crap, I just don't understand the hype.

Like anyone in the Jaguars camp know their butt from a hole in the ground. If they don't know what their doing(evident by the #7 pick) how the hell do they know what we are doing?

So assuming we take Tannehill in the first...just assuming.

Do we go WR or pass rusher in the 2nd??

..I know trying to projct trades is kind of dumb..I don't know the other teams well enough to start to guess why someone would trade with us, or what the value is, etc..I only bring this up after seeing the Eagles traded away Asante Samuel. They cleared a lot of cap space in doing so. IMO giving them some wiggle room should they want to move up in round 1...They also have a bounty of picks. This is purely hypothetic, and if you already have read enough I understand.

I think if we do trade back in the first round it will be with the Eagles..One thing that I think is that can use the help on the defensive line. Fletcher Cox comes to mind right off the bat, as well as Brockers from LSU. It is reasonable to believe they may even want to take Kuechly(spelling??) at 8. We would only fall to 14 in round 1, and could obtain another second rounder, perhaps pick 51...Would you guys be for this move if it was available?

Disclaimer..This is a longshot, as I said trying to project a trade is like finding a needle in the haystack.

I don't think we are good enough at drafting in general to move down and still find talent.

One last point on Tannehill, if anyone is even paying attention to me lol.

If were gonna take him I would feel much better if the intention was to give him every opportunity to start.

I would be interesting to see our new potential star qb running our new offense.

If the intention is to start Moore or Garrard irregardless, then I think you build around them until you have your holes filled and you can afford the luxery a drafting your future qb.

Fins have the chance to pick Cox or Coples. Either one could have Brady and other QBs running for their lives.


"So here's my question: How would a source not within the Miami organization thus not privy to conversations between an owner and general manager know what the owner is telling the GM?"

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! I f***ing said this exact thing was happening and was called an Ireland loving homer! Naaaahhhhh, just smart I guess. I hope everyone who took this lie as fact and attacked their own team is thoroughly embarrassed. Freaking Florio, that guy is a waste of space, an oxygen thief if you will. Armando never should have allowed him on the show, he has no credibility if he's listening to people outside of the organization tell him what Ross is saying to Ireland. What a joke.

U idiots u wanna pass on tannehill so we can get another lineman...tannehill will b great..morons

If there is an elite pass rusher at #8 we have to take him. Cousins or Weeden in the second and wr's in the third. We need to pressure Brady period!

And Wakes agent needs to get his head out of his ass and stop asking for to get top 5 money, that's ridiculous. What are they afraid of with an incentive laiden contract? If he's top 5 he certainly won't have any trouble meeting the incentives.

"For to get" nice grammar dummy. Woops

...The Eagles pick @15 not 14...my mistake.

Dolfan Rick..Do you mean start this season? I think that would be a huge mistake..A bigger mistake then even drafting him @8 would be to start him immedietly. I would think we would have to fight temptation to put him in the mix even if we were struggling say week 10, out of the race for the playoffs.. I don't think anything good would come of that..We wouldn't be saving a season, we are already commited to him so it isn't important to know what we have, he isn't going anywhere..Odds are if we are suffering at that point in the year, the offensive line is putrid and we would just expose him, perhaps ruin him in this scenario..

If we do take him IMO the best case scenario says he sits at least this season.

I'm okay with selecting any QB other than Weeden.
Wasjed up MLB player who went back to college in his mid 20s to play against a bunch of kids 6 years younger than him. NO THANKS.

DD,

I sort of get that. Just trying to get my head wrapped around why we would use the 8th pick in the draft on him.

pick tannehill or trade back and take weeden with that later 1st round pick--either is fine with me--the next tier QBs don't seem to be much of an upgrade over Moore, if at all--tannehill or weeden

The purpose of playing the NFL season is to win the Super Bowl. You cannot win the Superbowl unless you have an elite franchise quarterback. Matt Moore is not an elite franchise quarterback. David Gerard is not an elite franchise quarterback. The Dolphins will never win the Superbowl with either of them at quarterback.

You have to draft Tannyhill. If it turns out he is not an elite franchise quarterback then you draft another quarterback next year until you hit on one.

Defensive lineman, tackles, safety, receiver are all well and good. BUT we are just spinning our wheels until we get an elite Quarterback.

thavafin--weeden grades out as high or higher than just about any QB outside of luck and griffin--would be ready to start next year when moor's contract is done, or start him later in the year if the situation is right--he's considered the most ready to start of nearly any of them

These same experts who are saying Tannehill should go in the top ten also said Gabbert was a top ten pick.

While Gabbert isn't a bust yet, the Jags just gave Henne a ton of money for insurance.

I'm starting to hear Chandler Jones' name attached to the Dolphins. Don't know much about him. Would people be happy with this pick? It's funny, it was all Coples and Reiff previously and late all these other names are coming up like Cox and Jones. And people say it's only Tannehill who's had a meteroric rise. What about guys like Gilmore?

Gotta admit I don't know which we they are going to go but gun to my head I think it will be Tannehill.

D Rick--need to use that pick on Tannehill only because thats where we happen to be--agree that it probably is a little high but we're at 8, so what are you gonna do? definitely wouldn't write Gabbert off yet but he did slip some, so some folks mustve had their doubts (the Jags traded up to get him so he could've slipped even more)--plus, can we be absolutely certain that a DE or LB or WR that we pick instead of Tannehill is gonna be really good?--those players could be just as disappointing....

nice job mando. good report!

Dolfan Rick,

Gabbert was thrown to the wolves too early. Not sure why the Jags did that but it's what happens when teams don't plan properly. That's no the plan here. The plan is to take their time with Tannehill. We might not see for a year or two. So totally different situation.

Also, as you said, it's WAY too early to call Gabbert a bust. Most personnel people can't evaluate a QB until 36 games into their career. That's considered a better measuring stick. Under what you describe, Brees and Aikman would have been considered busts after their first years in the league.

phins78,

Giants defense squeeked in with a 9-7 record and took care of business in the playoffs and Brady in the SB.

I believe Moore could do a Pennington re-do and make it to the playoffs. The question is how far.

Who would you pick?

1) Cox who could be the next Warren Sapp OR
2) Coples who could be the next Mario williams?

All of the "draft experts" are saying Tannehill. All I know is if this kid doesn't pan out as a very good starting QB there will be a bounty on Ross' & Ireland's head.

I find it hard to believe that Ireland & his scouts have Tannehill rated as the 8th best player in this draft. This pick would clearly be a reach based on a need which usually equates to a bust. I hope I'm wrong but Tannehill is still a developmental prospect & a huge risk. Take Kuechly who is going to be a stud & keep your jobs.

Craig,

Waltercamp Football has Chandler Jones going to the Chargers at 18 on their mock.

He says he's screaming up the draft board and could go as high as 16????

..thavafin..I'm with you on Weeden. He may be a good quarterback. But just for this team, what do we plan on doing with him? Develop him? He is prety much a 30 year old rookie. It makes no sense. If you look at what he does well, and what we struggle with..He just doesn't fit IMO as the future for this team.

Dilfer had an interestin point..This isn't opinion he broke down the "real game tape" on the top 5 rated qb prospects..He looked at how they did under diress. Weeden had the lowest completion percentage of all of them(RG III second lowest)..The problem here was that Weeden faced the least amount of "pressures" in the bunch. So we should expect the team to build our line around an immobile 30 year old rookie who isn't getting younger, who also needs to develop? I'm not buying it.

Also. Look at how Weeden used Blackmon. in 2 years Blackmon was targeted 308 times, with 232 catches..Almost 75 percent. That is some production. But what worries me is that How will Weeden fair when he has to make tough reads to recievers that are well covered without the saftey net of a Justin Blackmon? It is easy to look great throwing to a wide open stud reciever, or look at his inflated completion percentage and think it will translate into the NFL. The system there was really simple..Throw it to Blackmon, or toss a bubble screen.

No way do I think Weeden is a good fit for this offense. If we had an established line, if we had better recievers, if we had the time to develop him..sure. But drafting a guy that will not be at his "NFL Peak" until he is in his mid 30's???

I hope what you are saying is true in regards to the Fins strategy...I kinda hope we don't reach for Tannehill...I would like to see an immediate impact type of player that the opposing coordinators need to take account for starting from the beginning of the season...i.e. WR, TE (Fleener), or pass rusher whether it be an end (Coples) or outside LB....Heck even the ILB from BC would be nice to have.

'm starting to hear Chandler Jones' name attached to the Dolphins. Don't know much about him. Would people be happy with this pick? It's funny, it was all Coples and Reiff previously and late all these other names are coming up like Cox and Jones. And people say it's only Tannehill who's had a meteroric rise. What about guys like Gilmore?

Gotta admit I don't know which we they are going to go but gun to my head I think it will be Tannehill.

Craig,

I would have to agree. It's odd that most of the "experts" all say Tannehill is a reach @ 8 but that the Dolphins will still take him???

Mark my words--No matter what the Dolphins do @ 8 we'll be criticized. If we take Tannehill they'll say we took him too high & if we draft someone else then they'll say we should have taken Tannehill.....

Again. The denial by Ross and Ireland to Florio's report was NOT that they want to draft Tannehill but that Ross is pushing Ireland to do it. 2 different things.

I kind of prefer an impact player for this season as well, but I could see the reasoning for Tannehill.

C'mon on guys all of us just don't wanna sitting there tomorrow night saying "Jerel Worthy are you kidding me"".

I mean Tannehill,Floyd,Ingram,Cox,Coples,Decastro..sign em up.

I JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM A HIGH SOURCE WITH THE MIAMI HEAT SAYING ..........

(( TANNIEHILL IS OURS @ 8 )).........

Would the Fins have enough talent in 2012 to make it to the playoffs if they pick someone that won't start a game in the 1st round (Tannehill)?

MIAMI DOLPHINS

Time will tell with any player drafted because it's basically a crap shoot. What the Dolphins should have done was trade up to #2 to get RG3. It would have been expensive but this kid may be special and a chance to get a player like him are far and few between. Tannehill is a project, he's going to have to sit and learn for at least a year and then he will need at least a couple years of NFL game experience. So your talking about a player that may not be productive for three years down the road. I just sense that this kid has BUST written all over him. The Dolphins should draft a dominant pass rusher and then trade up for Weeden. Weeden is mature and more polished and should possibly be able to compete for the starting job this season. Although he will be 29, you can get 5 or6 years out of him.

There are plenty of soon to be great Players in this Draft to satisfy all the NFL Teams, and more. Don't be greedy.

sad to see falcons get samuels for a 7th rounder, why couldnt we offer for him

Not sure the trade up for RG3 thing is even rational thinking.

If were even able to outbid the Skins for him we didn't have 50 million in cap space to bulld a team around him they had.

And if in a trade down scenario Tannehill is gone, the club has other players fitting other needs that they would sell to the public as the right call for building their team.

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Armando they can just stay at number eight get the impact player their looking for and sell the public on getting players to build their team. Tannehill is a mistake because of the glaring needs at WR, pass rusher and OT. It's that simple and winning will stop the fans yelling for a QB.

The concensus on all Blogs is that Tannehill will be a bust. If he turns out to be a perennial All-Pro, I guess the naysayers will be buying the T-shirts with hia # on it. And we will know.

DD
Its more than just your points with Weeden for me also. I very much agree about him having Blackmon. But also no older QBs have ever had success in the NFL coming out of college. Not one. And he's not even rated a 1st rounder. And not only did he enjoy the advantage of Blackmon but he was much older than his competition at the college level. That matters! Weeden will be a career backup in the NFL at best. There is no up side to him. What you see IS his upside. There is virtually no more ceiling for this guy. He has pretty much already reached it. That's a fact. Its called being 30 years old in a game where being on the other side means your game start to level out, then decline.

yes pro and we arent gonna win until we find a long term qb

I'm just happy that Bill Parcells is on ESPN being paid by them to convey his dinosaur philosophy. This way we do not have to unload some big slow lineman like Merling and Langford. What about all the money spent on the big slow OL. The franchise QB that could not start on any team in the NFL. The receivers like Turner and others who were big and not able to get separation on their routes. This is certainly the home of the free and brave when a dinosaur like Parcells can still make a living conveying old school methods.

i dont see tannehill being a bust. i see him as a decent starter, not worthy of being the 8th pick though

...thavafin. Great point about Weedens ceiling with relation to his age..I was trying to articulate that point..You said it perfectly.

Dusty Bottoms..With Samuel you have to remember that the Falcons also take on his contract..We couldn't afford it. From the outside it looks cheap..7th rounder, no biggie. Add in the huge amount of cash, and there weren't too many teams in the running. The Falcons really did Philly a favor.

Heck, Im not going to buy his T-shirt, even if he becomes an All-Pro.

he redid his contract, 3 years 18 mill. about the same deal as we gave marshall

It's so obvious they won't pick Tannehill. They've got the whole NFL thinking they will. That story about Ross leaking info was of course intentional, flood the media with mixed messages.

If we draft Tannehill, which position do you think we should address next?

OL

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