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Daniel Thomas is so far simply disappointing

On Monday I was standing on the sideline watching the Dolphins practice. On what is just a routine run play into the A-gap, Daniel Thomas took the handoff and this happened when there was no apparent hole:

The Dolphins running back took the handoff and turned his back to the line of scrimmage and backpedalled into the pile of offensive and defensive linemen facing the wrong direction.

I turned to Dolphins officials and said that play tells me all I need to know about Thomas as a running back. His instincts are wrong. Rather than lowering his head and pads and bullying his way into the line to create a hole or, at the very least, bouncing outside to salvage the play, he basically gave up on the play and protected himself.

Not what I would expect from the kid who is 6-1 and 228 pounds.

Not what I would expect from a second-round pick.

Not what I would expect from the player who is supposed to inherit the Miami running back spot after this year because Reggie Bush is in the final year of his contract.

Not what I would expect from an NFL running back.

That moment, in all its disappointment, came back to me when I watched Hard Knocks Tuesday. In the opening minutes of the show, amid all the players that are not getting the job done or getting cut or traded, we see Thomas called into coach Joe Philbin's office.

It wasn't so the coach could give the player a standing ovation. Seems Thomas was late to the team plane that carried the Dolphins to the Carolina game two weeks ago. And he apparently did not meet dress code requirements.

And then last week he was late to a weight lifting session.

"Last week you were late to the plane and you weren't in the proper dress code," Philbin tells Thomas. "Now, I come to find out you were 15 minutes late today. From where I sit I get concerned about that stuff. Obviously, you're going to get fined, but that's not the point. The point is I don't want to be fining anybody. I want guys that do what they're supposed to do and be where they're supposed to be and right now, two times in four days, that's not a good thing."

There's more:

"And I'm just telling you, this can't happen, that kind of stuff can't happen," Philbin adds. "I'm getting a little queasy about you. You got to take responsibility for your own career, what you're doing and when you're doing it. I don't want to come talk to you again. I want to see you out there and next time I want to talk to you on a positive thing, not this kind of stuff."

So what does all this mean?

Look, the Dolphins are fishing for bodies or draft picks or anything that can possibly help them rise from the mire that currently threatens to sink them to the bottom of the AFC East standings once the season begins.

The Detroit Lions, meanwhile, are searching for running backs. And so it's only logical that the Lions might be looking at Miami's supposedly well-stocked running back stable and think maybe Bush might be available for a receiver or draft pick.

And if I'm the Dolphins, I would love to be able to consider the option. Except that the heir to the job can't be on time and isn't exactly producing on the field and isn't exactly following in the tradition of Larry Csonka, either.

So what can the Dolphins do but hold on to Bush, right?

Well, you might say, they can offer Thomas. That's a fine idea except Thomas hasn't done anything of high regard in this league and his tardiness was now on national TV. Also, the head coach said on national TV that he's starting to feel "queasy" about the guy. Yeah, that's going to bring a bigtime dividend in trade from Detroit  ... or anybody.

It's just disappointing. That's all I can say. Disappointing.


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As I've stated before, Ireland sucks as a GM. HardKnocks makes it clear!!! Philbin isn't much better! Ireland asks him, "Whaddaya think, I don't know, whaddayou think! The blind leading the blind!

Yeah, could be, JJ. Shula had Griese to replace Norton. He and Thomas made a great trade to get Buoniconti to replace Emmanuel and so on. Haven't seen that here yet.

Well, yes, watta you know! Philbin has RT to replace Moore.

Oscar, the Who's Who of the greatest magnitude....who carried Griese and the team during the undefeated season?

boy, go to sleep. EM

Oscar, can't answer my question, sir?

WTH, who is it, you YB? Get the fuc- out of here.

"That's a fine idea except Thomas hasn't done anything of high regard in this league


I agree with most of what you say, except he lead afc rookies in yards and is like one or 2 backs who have ever lead off with 2 100yard avg games

Oscar, Earl Edwin Morrall, became known as the GREATEST BACKUP QB in NFL history. When Johnny Unitas was injured in the final exhibition game, Morrall became the starter and led the Colts into SBIII, losing to the NYJ, Namath, 16-7! Shula claimed Morrall for $100 off waivers.....Morrall took over in game 5 of the 72 season, due to Griese's injury, and led the Fins to the undefeated season. He started 11 of 17 games that year, for his previous coach Shula!

No Oscar, it's me, the understated guy on the blog.

Oscar, who is the next greatest journeyman back-up QB in the NFL.

getting queasy about the coach, GM, etc.. its part of their job to get these young guys to perform at a high level. casting off talent, Vontae, MARSHALL, etc., its their JOB to optimize the hand their dealt.

God please make this se a bad dream!

GOD PLEASE MAKE THIS SEASON A BAD DREAM. Bad GM=bad players. nuff said!

Carl, call it a recurring nightmare!!!

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Oscar, you've said you're retired, as I am, you should still be available! Don't shy away in the middle of a debate!

Can Philbin stop worrying so much about the discipline and start caring about a team. He's starting to alienate players in a "Cam Cameronish" type of way. Rules are fine, but if it costs you the team (what they call "chemistry") you're going to have a long season. You can demand respect but you must give it out in equal measure. Otherwise this will be a regrettable coaching change.

Xztreme, that's why I said they should trade Long before he got hurt! It's obvious they are blowing up the team! Rebuilding, call it what it is and let the fans move on!

Another player that got hand picked by Ireland !! If I remember correctly .. Ireland even traded up and giving extra picks to move up for a 4th and 5th string RB .

I just love Marshall's dialogue with Smith on the Sideline!

Shortly after Smith's big 4th down stop:

Marshall: Ya..Ya..You showin em. YOU showin em! Know I'm sayin?

Smith: Got no choice. No I got........

Marshall: All ya gotta do, wrap up, Dog......

Ya..You so God Damn big, you wrap up......Fvck It. Know I mean? Dat's all....ya'll gotta keep showin dey a ss you can tackle Dog. Din Dey can't say SHYT!

(Marshall stands up and walks away)

(Smith stands up and thinks: "Whuddee mean "Show Em" I can tackle?)

5 minutes later.....

(Smith still thinking: "I kin tackle.......I KIN!)

Well Armando if the Dolphins had a GM that knew how to build a good culture and recruit self motivated talented athletes. There would not be the need to get into treating men like children. I'm convinced that this team really needs to cut Jeff Ireland. He will be like Randy Mueller when that happens and never again have final decision making power. Ireland needs to take his ACORN MENTALITY SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I have a deck of 52 of the leagues all time greatest QB`s , I won it in a contest at our Fan Club here in Palm Coast , the top card in the deck is a signed Earl Morrell
card, #15 , I still think he should of been allowed to finish the season. They need to stop nit picking players and worrying what they do off field , we`ve lost 4 receivers that way , sure you`d like fine up standing citizens , but they can t all be that way , talented people get big heads , deal with it , don t get a Qb in the draft , then throw him to the wolves with no OL and no one to throw the ball to , they should just let Moore start this season , he hits these no catching receivers in the hands just as well or better

I wish Shula and Marino would buy this team , get rid of Ireland , hire someone who knows how to pick talent , someone the league respects , so good players would like to play for us , but they here Irelands name and its a flat out no , just like Peyton Manning did , the guy had a house here , his favorite receiver was going to follow him , but he said Ireland Hell No!!!

Odin, Oscar has been aloof for years, but when I challenge him, like a mist at sunrise, he dissipates.

....It doesn't matter...This years squad is the equivlent of a special olympics runner up to the runner up to the bronze metal winner..This team is going to eat a big dougnut this year..A big fat glazer.I'm going to lose a bet w/ my girlefriend who claims the Cleveland Steamers..And it sucks to know this

"The family heartaches have given Philbin a greater perspective on life and the NFL. It is evident in his mild-mannered demeanor and ability to make decisions without being rattled. Choosing a starting quarterback? Small potatoes. This is a man who took on a high-profile, high-pressure job in the midst of a horrible tragedy, when other people would have crumpled and wanted to hide."

Amen Jeffrow!

Philbin has paid his dues and earned a shot. Now he's getting that shot with MY Miami Dolphins!

I'm all in. I'll root for the Guy, I'll pray for him, I'll be his biggest Fan until given a LEGITIMATE reason not to be.

These rich Kiddie Kats are getting Big Money to play for Philbin's team. I have no problem with the facts he has some rules they need to follow.

These people that want to criticize him for that need to take a Hike! If they were paying their employees a couple Million, I bet they'd expect them to be cordial and prompt! In their complaints they're being ironically hippocritical.

Pay me a Couple Million a year and see if I can't make the plane and the mettings on time!

**Go Joe**

I bust on our drafting all the time--how do you pass up Dez Bryant? I don't care if he has a crazy mom, the dude was an obvious stud/playmaker..exactly what we need. However, D Thomas is a gamer..I think he is valuable indeed.

The more I hear from Philbin...the MORE I like him.....


"its just like Novocain....just give it time"
-Remember the Titans

Continue to be consistent Joe.....in your approach...in your discipline....in everyday life.....

The first day of Hard Knocks....Philbin remarked that he has been a coach for well over 3,000 days of his life.....he knows what RIGHT looks like....

Ireland would have to look in the dictionary for the word ACORN and realize that it doesnt actually mean UPGRADE!!!!

Posted by: superPHIN | August 28, 2012 at 04:59 PM

Hope you don't mind that I re-posted this superPHIN.....its to funny.....






Yesterday's Gone, I appreciate that you don't agree with me. That's your right. But why can't you disagree using facts instead of attacking me or others personally?

Fact is you don't know what you don't know. You don't attend practices. You don't review tape. You don't go to games.

You're just somebody droning an opinion based on ... what? One quick view of the game. Stop. Think. And state your case, if you can, without attacking people.

It's how men do things.

Let's start with Vontae Davis first. That reaction to being traded was the weirded most immature thing I have ever seen in my life!! A little baby. Bye bye! We need men here not 2 year olds.

Second, Daniel Thomas. This was a major kick in the ass to him. If this doesn't shake his pride nothing will. You would think having Reggie Bush as a guy to look up too with his work ethic would rub off.

I can really see now how Coach Joe doesn't take any immature baby BS!! He treats these guys like men. Period!

I would love to know what Sparano was like with these guys.

Here you have a guy like Les Brown who worked his butt off and this meant everything to him. His character is what these teams are looking for.

sparano and philbin are "yes men",forced into following the dictates of an incompetent GM that has been handed supreme power by the owner. coaches are told what they can say and what they can do. when coaches are asked a question they glance at ireland to see whether he nods in agreement. we are screwed. jeff is still a "ball boy".

I like when Coach Joe starts dropping F bombs!! It means he is really pissed and these guys need to see that.


Can we get an update on Jake's knee please!

MARK ANTHONY FOR GM IN 2013!!!!......yessssssssssss!!!

oavery I guess you didn't see Thomas run against Atlanta. If you can watch a replay 6 for 29 yards, 4.8, and a TD. And he ran really hard including the goal line TD. And most of Atlanta's 1's were in.

greg z, and you saw this when. Because I've seen all Hard Knocks and I didn't see it. Bad picks by Jeff yes, Philbin is far from a yes man. You see what you want to see.

hey, why bog this awesome and well informed board with facts, but Thomas averaged 3.5 yards/carry last year and had 12 receptions, in a somewhat injury limited role.....obviously not a large sample but it is the only sample we have since the kid was a rook, but those aint terrible numbers--averaged almost 5 yards/carry vs ATL--sure, kid needs to be more consistent but those are the facts.....not that anybody here cares.

redsky, no one would have or will take Long with his contract. And in previous years he would have been a giant dead money hit to the cap with acceleration of bonus money. This isn't fantasy or Madden.

BPA, good point, and not only that but in his first 2 games he had over 200 yards rushing before hamstring problems tank his season. Even then he was the 2nd leading rookie rusher in the AFC. And out rushed several rookies drafted before him, including Mark Ingram.

Not sure I can call Thomas disappointing because his numbers were solid last year, plus he clearly dropped off once the hammy was a factor......and maybe he needs to grow up some, be accountable and more consistent, I get it.....but for me, I would simply give him the ball more, alot more, and use him as a workhorse back that he was drafted to be, especially this year when Tannehill is gonna need some help, and need to be protected--give him the ball 15-18 times/game.

When his pick came up, I wondered why did we trade to be in the 2nd round and pick this guy. Never liked him.


nemak.....I'm no Ireland supporter and dont think he's done a great job, but how exactly do Odrick, Misi and D Thomas qualify as busts? Thomas only played one year, did fairly well but an injury slowed him--and Egnew hasnt played a game yet--what are you talking about?

You can all hate all you want, Ireland is going nowhere next year,nowhere. Did you listen to Ross at the start of the 3rd qtr? He said "patience", it will take patience. If all you haters stop and think about, how many more owners,coaches,GM do you want to get shuffle thru. This has to stop. We need to the hit the RESET button and build this the right way. We finally have a coach who understands that is not afraid aka Sparano of losing his job, he will do it his way and it is about time. Stop with all the negativity, either your a loyal fan or your not. if not move on..Everbody wants to win, ever game...but how many times in the past 13 years have we been thru Coaching circles? Pick up a player here and there and puff everthing is great?..Parcells is the nubmer one reason why we are in this mess, Cap hell,player hell and now we finally have a system,coach and GM who get it and will upright this ship.
Patience true fans,patience. It has been 13 years..lets finally fix this the right way. Stability.

and nemak, i'll just throw in a small reminder that Mr Ross, although he's made some questionable decisions in his early tenure as an owner, is a billionaire......dude......thats billions, with a b......hard to envision him being stupid, or naive--goofy, yes......stupid/naive......no (billionaire, in case you missed it).

DAM @ 6:48....

and spot on I might add....

BPA, Odrick, and Thomas aren't even close to busts. Odrick had 6 sacks in part time work, and Thomas was the 2nd leading rookie rusher in the AFC, So how can you call them busts. Misi has been a starter for the past 3 years, he's not an impact player, but a starter nonetheless. That's not a bust. The reality doesn't match the definition of bust, just doesn't.

This whole team is disappointing. Tannehill is gonna get killed and become damaged goods for his career. Trade players for draft picks? Ireland doesn't know what to do with 2nd round picks, much less any other round...this is looking like it will be the worst Dolphins year ever!!!!!!

BPA, right. One thing Ross isn't is stupid. Although I have to disagree about something, he is a little goofy, and on TV he doesn't communicate effectively. But stupid no way.

OK, some are going to criticize Jeff Ireland for drafting Thomas. It is not his fault that Thomas doesn't perform, it is up to Thomas. I'm sure Jeff Ireland knew what he was doing to pick him in the second round. Also, don't just look at one pick in judging Ireland. Look at his entire record in building a team. Any picks that didn't work out were Bill Parcell's fault or the fault of a coach or scout, not Jeff Ireland.

Mike, read my 8:14 post again.....I agree with you, they are not busts, which is what I said.....I was asking him how/why he'd consider them busts--you and I agree, read t again.

This is rubbish.

Daniel Thomas looks good when it counts.
He had a great start to last season after everyone thought he was a bust in camp.

As for toughness, do me a favour, the guy always falls forwards and fights for yards in games.

Let's not forget how bad Bush looked early last year.

Still, if we are looking to trade another young player away for less than market value, then great ...trade him.

All of you defending Thomas would be in the same boat he is in,just like him, none of you get it. You all would be in line outside the coaches office waiting to get the same lecture. I really like the way this coach is going about changing the culture for this team. This not a playoff team and hes weeding out the "me" guys. When thats done then a team can be pulled together.

Another wasted 2nd round pick on Thomas would not look good on Ireland. if I'm Ireland, I am not idly standing by and letting teh coach handle this one. I'm giving him a good talking to myself.

The rate of burnt 1st and 2nd round picks while he's been on the team is alarming and he's only been given a slight benefit because of the tuna's involvement.

If this team finishes last and gets to trade the first pick overall for three 1st round picks like St. Louis did, I'm not sure I'd want Ireland making those picks.

2 extra firsts and extra 2nd and an extra third in the hands of a guy with a very spotty draft record is not entirely meaningful

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