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Daniel Thomas is so far simply disappointing

On Monday I was standing on the sideline watching the Dolphins practice. On what is just a routine run play into the A-gap, Daniel Thomas took the handoff and this happened when there was no apparent hole:

The Dolphins running back took the handoff and turned his back to the line of scrimmage and backpedalled into the pile of offensive and defensive linemen facing the wrong direction.

I turned to Dolphins officials and said that play tells me all I need to know about Thomas as a running back. His instincts are wrong. Rather than lowering his head and pads and bullying his way into the line to create a hole or, at the very least, bouncing outside to salvage the play, he basically gave up on the play and protected himself.

Not what I would expect from the kid who is 6-1 and 228 pounds.

Not what I would expect from a second-round pick.

Not what I would expect from the player who is supposed to inherit the Miami running back spot after this year because Reggie Bush is in the final year of his contract.

Not what I would expect from an NFL running back.

That moment, in all its disappointment, came back to me when I watched Hard Knocks Tuesday. In the opening minutes of the show, amid all the players that are not getting the job done or getting cut or traded, we see Thomas called into coach Joe Philbin's office.

It wasn't so the coach could give the player a standing ovation. Seems Thomas was late to the team plane that carried the Dolphins to the Carolina game two weeks ago. And he apparently did not meet dress code requirements.

And then last week he was late to a weight lifting session.

"Last week you were late to the plane and you weren't in the proper dress code," Philbin tells Thomas. "Now, I come to find out you were 15 minutes late today. From where I sit I get concerned about that stuff. Obviously, you're going to get fined, but that's not the point. The point is I don't want to be fining anybody. I want guys that do what they're supposed to do and be where they're supposed to be and right now, two times in four days, that's not a good thing."

There's more:

"And I'm just telling you, this can't happen, that kind of stuff can't happen," Philbin adds. "I'm getting a little queasy about you. You got to take responsibility for your own career, what you're doing and when you're doing it. I don't want to come talk to you again. I want to see you out there and next time I want to talk to you on a positive thing, not this kind of stuff."

So what does all this mean?

Look, the Dolphins are fishing for bodies or draft picks or anything that can possibly help them rise from the mire that currently threatens to sink them to the bottom of the AFC East standings once the season begins.

The Detroit Lions, meanwhile, are searching for running backs. And so it's only logical that the Lions might be looking at Miami's supposedly well-stocked running back stable and think maybe Bush might be available for a receiver or draft pick.

And if I'm the Dolphins, I would love to be able to consider the option. Except that the heir to the job can't be on time and isn't exactly producing on the field and isn't exactly following in the tradition of Larry Csonka, either.

So what can the Dolphins do but hold on to Bush, right?

Well, you might say, they can offer Thomas. That's a fine idea except Thomas hasn't done anything of high regard in this league and his tardiness was now on national TV. Also, the head coach said on national TV that he's starting to feel "queasy" about the guy. Yeah, that's going to bring a bigtime dividend in trade from Detroit  ... or anybody.

It's just disappointing. That's all I can say. Disappointing.


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The problem is basically this....

Keeping Ireland taints everything on this team. Philbin is tainted BECAUSE of Ireland.

There will always be a question mark next to Philbins name as long as Ireland is GM.

PS...Ross and Ireland are masters at blaming everyone else for their decisions.

Miller was rated as the 2nd best rb in the draft. The fins got high value.

Every team needs at least 2 good rb's. Even the good rushing teams. Houston, Carolina, 49ers.

Look at Minnesota, maybe if they had a competent GM they would have a backup rb.

Again, rate D.Thomas against M.Ingram or both rb's NE picked. D. Thomas had the 3rd most rushing yards for rookie rb's in the NFL. Thomas also did it with limited time.

R.Brown only gained 1000 yds once in his career. And he was a #2 overall. Some of u want Thomas to gain over 1000 yds his rookie year?


You're dead right with your comments. Detroit and GB would be ideal teams for Bush. I actually think the value for Bush would be highest right now. I think if Detroit things they have a chance this year they would consider to doing something rash (might they even go as high as a second?). I'm dead serious! This is a playoff team who is poised to potentially do some good things. I wouldn't be surprised if Ireland had an offer like that on his desk right now. So what should he do? He's got a good soldier and hard worker in Bush on the team right now. Does he completely wave the white flag on the season and start selling guys off or wait a few weeks. My money is on waiting a few weeks.

By the way, no market for Long right now. Too many injuries and too much money to come. I don't believe you'd get a first for him right now and I'm not sure a trade like that would make any sense for the Dolphins right now.

You know who as really impressed so far has been Sean Smith. I thought I would never say that. The guy cuts his hair comes in in great shape, and seams to really to challenging everyone.

Let's hope we see it on the field.

My problem with trading Bush is not a value, or talent thing, but a leadeship one. Who'da thunk it, but Bush is a definite team leader, and partial glue.
I'd happily get rid of any of our other backs. ANY. Not all.. mind you, but pick one. And get whatever you can for him.
I was opposed to Miller's drafting, but he's the closest to Bush on talent. But Expendable if need be.
Thomas is an average back, and I will probably remain angry for years that he was picked over DaMarco Murray. Simply don't care either way. He is, however, the only big tailback we have, so there's that to consider.
Slayton is an average back-up with some fair talent. Whatever you want to make out of that.
And Bush, from a talent standpoint, fits well in our offense, but I'm not married to him. BUT he is one of the few genuine leaders we seem to have.

Forgot about Messam. He was supposed to be awesome too. Where is he? Injured?

Unless they want to dump his contract, Thomas will probably not go anywhere. 4-5-6th for him? Who knows?
Not really an exciting prospect for trade.
get rid of Bush, and we really don't have any leadership on O at all. Jake Long, sole leader. Tannehill will be eventually (we hope) but hard to be the leader/rock/representative/locker-room master as a rook.


We're going to go something like 3-13 or 4-12 this year. I'm not sure leadership is going to matter too much. Bush will very likely jump ship this year. I'm suggesting we trade for something of value for next year's draft (likely), when his value will never be higher. Hate to see the guy go but I think this will be a lost season.

Now I know where all the twits, trolls, misfits,
and pricks hang-out ! I admit that I was an anti-Ireland fan last year, but for gawd's-sake folks, give
it a rest. It is the end of 2012 ! If you have
nothing positive to say or constructive insight to
offer - then STFU ! Go join the Jets fans who love to hurl invectives at Tebow and Sanchez. Go join the naysayers who infect the buttocks of every other team not named New England. But just GO !! Go Dolphins !!


Sorry, it seems like I'm picking on you but I'm not getting this need for leadership. For what? I get the importance of it, I'm just saying I think it's going to be marginalized with this team getting beat every week. Bush has said 'the players have been guilty of not holding each other accountable in the past'. Do we really think whether Bush is on the team or not it's going to matter. How do the players see him as leader when very likely he's going to jump ship next offseason? And will his team really matter when the team is getting killed every week?

The leadership needs to come from the coaches and the guys that are tied to the team, like Long and Wake.

Thomas is a good back, last year after two games you were all saying how great he was, now because of HK he's a bust???, had a decent game the other night too, let's see how it plays out

Bush should be signed to LT Contract, he is perfect for this offense, but if they trade him it's because they like Miller, they seem to be the same player

Cooley would be a decent play if Clay was more of an HB/FB type so we could keep all 4 TE's, Cooley, Clay, Egnew and Fasano...


The book on Thomas coming out of college was that he is NOT a power back. He is a big back who runs soft. He is not going to lower his head and move the pile. Why the Dolphins drafed him and expect him to be a power back is beyond me.

Another Ireland bust. They need to convince Jimmy Johnson to be GM or Dan Marino to be president of football operations. Will Ireland in charge this organization is hitting rock bottom. How come everyone knows this but our idiot owner.

Who cares if Tannehill knows what teams play in which divisions?

All he needs to focus on is which teams are on our schedule.

I don't think Detroit makes any big plays for a RB. They have a good back up and Javid Best is expected back around weeks 4 or 5.

Mando, I'm ashamed of you for deleting some of the posts critical of you in regards to this........"PIECE of WORK".

You set up a thinly veiled strawman argument, so you could pretend to knock it down. Pretty weak stuff.

For you too delete football related posts just because their critical of ONE of your EXTREMELY weak arguments? That's just wrong Coom-Padre!

It's Fidel-ish if I do say so myself. You submitted some flawed and erroneous logic and reasoning. Then you promptly had Yo Arse handed too you.

To delete these guys posts(mine included)just because we DESERVEDLY called you out? Thats simply Childish and SERIOUSLY smacks of censorship.


Posted by: Dfins006 | August 29, 2012 at 12:11 AM

For 3 draft picks to move up, they/we expected and eventual STARTER, not a backup.
Why are some of you getting on Mando's case?
HE'S not the one running like a girly-man in practice.

When players perform like that in practice, it can often to lead to the same thing in a game. Lets see how Thomas plays tonight.
So many of these guys are stealing $$$.
Where is their pride?

Trade Bush, trade Long, trade dansby, give wake a look....and lets stock pile on irefiends acorn draft picks so we can practically build this whole team from scracth up in next years draft....that seems to be the plan becuase NO free agent veteran worth a damn will come anywhere near this organization in the offseason....and the sabotage will continue...

Yesterday's Gone,

I appreciate that you don't agree with me. That's your right. But why can't you disagree using facts instead of attacking me or others personally?
Fact is you don't know what you don't know. You don't attend practices. You don't review tape. You don't go to games.
You're just somebody droning an opinion based on ... what? One quick view of the game. Stop. Think. And state your case, if you can, without attacking people.
It's how men do things.

Posted by: Armando Salguero | August 29, 2012 at 06:48 AM


If this is true, I guess it just makes us two peas in the same pod then, you think? You attack our players, sometimes deservedly, then other times over embellished based on less than a mole hill's evidence.

As for "how men do things", maybe you should man up and think yourself before writing some of the things you do. You seem to at times take for granted you're speaking to a very uneducated audience. None of us know everything, but consider your audience may know more than you think.


PS, youre no expert either, you only "drone" your opinions based on the way "YOU" see the facts. That alome doesnt make your opinions fact. Thank you sir.

Armando is the expert here. And he's right on the money about D. Thomas. He's just terrible.


Also, if it wasnt for the Herald.s AMEX card, you wouldnt attend games or pratices either. You're coming across like a little kid waiving his finger yelling, "na-na=na-na-na, I get to see Dolkphin practices and game free and you cant. Na-na-na-na-na"! LOL

They're flying another Fire Ireland plane sign over the stadium for the home opener


My sister lives in Miramar. Anyway, from watching Hard Knocks, all I saw was a very young player being scolded by his hc for what seemed to be becoming a pattern of tardiness.

If Armando wanted to make his case, 1 bad practice run was pretty flimsy evidence to denounce the kid "Simply Disappointing".

Young people at times do what young people do. Thier still very inexperienced in life. That's why at times it takes older more experienced adults to point them in the right direction. That's all I saw Philbin do.

But for Armando to use this to imply Thomas is sim,ply disappointing, he needed to present far more evidence and he didnt. Which leads the educated audience to ponder, maybe it was because he couldnt.

Dont ever be a blind sheep to be led by Armando, or anyone else in life. If you do, sooner or later you'll find yourself going over a cliff.

Anyone ever consider things like patterns of tardiness and others, may have been a little more tolerated by Sparano? Ever consider Sparano may have had his head buried so far up his asss trying to find stats to produce for the media at his next press conference. He wasnt even aware of small details like "tardiness" by his players?

Guys, I dont think these things just all of sudden began to happen under Philbin's watch. Most times players, especially young ones, just consider to do the same things that were ok under the previous hc staff.

YG, trust in Armando. He does this for a living.

Just continue

Daniel Thomas could be a usable back but he has to be used correctly. He is NOT a Csonka or Riggins. Anyone that expects him to be that is in for a huge dissapointment. He is more like a Franco Harris a big back who runs soft. harris was never a power back BUT he made the Hall of fame. I remember Harris used to run out of bounds rather than get hit.


So do nfl busts. Watcha really saying dude?

Im hating the "Czonka" analogy. Czonka would be cut in preseason in today's nfl. Czomka, though a bull, greatly benifited from one of the greatest olines in nfl history.

Proof's in the putting:

Czonka did absolutely did nothing in the soon to fold WFL. Czonka did absolutely nothing as a NY Giant rb.

Czonka was to big and slow, his greatest savings grace was to play behind one of the greatest olines in nfl history. I sincerely hope Daniel Thomas isnt Larry Csonka, this isnt one of the greatest olines in nfl history. It isnt even the best olien in our division.


Great comparison. Thomas is more Franco Harris-like. That would be the closest comparison, but I believe Harris had a little quicker feet.

But like Harris, D Thomas could become a load to tackle once allowed to build up a full head of steam. But his main forte isnt just natural brute strength.

With that said Odin ur right.

They keep the 1001 corny jokes or negative remarks from u know who, but if ur argument has a good point watch out. Why is that?

How can monkey boy be afforded so much liberty and the masses so little?

If monkey boy stuck to football or posting stuff 1 time this blog will be the it.

Mando shares his opinion, we can't all agree. What he probably means by being a man is we don't have to resolve to school yard tactics to share our opinions.

Dashi admits, he to has been a part of this, but again Dashi doesn't start it, he just ends it.

Look how great this post is going without the 1001 corny names & one liners.

TG, what I'm saying is Thomas isnt a player. Also no offense but I'll take Armando's opinion over yours 8 days a week.

Thomas does run hard. He gets into the endzone when it's 3rd and goal from the 1. He will get 1200 yards and 12 TDs this year. Watch.


Armando falsely accused me of attacking him personally. I never attacked him personally. I attacked aptitude for being an assett to his profession, exactly what he does to the players every day. No more, no less.

db,yeah, it was a circus w/ spazano. players have said that.

mando, if you saw this, the runningbacks coach has to see it. isn't this a coaching issue? if i were philbin i would tell this coach that he is NOT doing his job, this is NOT the style of running that gets it done and it is simply NOT exceptable, and if he continues to run in this manner he will be traded. "now go tell him to lower those shoulders" and if YOU won't or can't tell tell him then i will get someone who can. philibin is certainly a no nonsense coach who knows how a championship team operates, practices, and plays, and right now everyone following this team is about to see a rare sight, you will see players who are good become GREAT, they will reach potential they didn't think they had, and we will also see the loosers who simply give up and this is where this team gets better really fast, everything will come to a head, the players that can't play at this championship level will be readily identifyable and shown the door, philbin is building his team in the image of greenbay and that is a good thing, you have to know what your looking for to find it, and for philbin, it is just a matter of time before this team becomes a contender. for philbin, coaching greenbay last year and now coaching the likes of miami this year has indeed given him VISION, as in an acute and invisible pair of troubleshooting goggles that contrastes and identifies the difference between the two vastly opposite offenses. the difference in the recievers must stand out like infrared. philbin knows what he is looking for, the toughest thing he will have to do is find them.


I never considered myself to be lord, christ, and savior. Im not here to save souls and get folks to follow me either. If that was the case, I wouldnt be here, I would open a twitter account.

I have absolutely no problem with you following Armando. Your sour beans doesnt make me fart.

YG you arent fooling anyone. You hate Armando. And are clearly jealous. You fight with everyone on the blog. Go get laid or somethin. Chill dude.

If bush gets 1200 and 12 td's , it would be a good year for him.

Anything over 800 yds is a plus for Thomas. Thomas might only get 200 carries Max. 4yds a carry behind this o-line sounds good to Dashi. Don't expect no rb's gaining over 5 yds a carry with this team this year.


Under Philbin we may be finding Sparano's head was buried so far up his asss he didnt have full control over his players when he thought he did.

The greatest evidence of this may have been the perrenial slow starts to begin the seasons. Hell, the players werent even fully aware that the regular seasons had began until around game 5 or 6. By this time we were already nearly out playoff contention well before the 2nd half of the regular season began.

Plus, Sparano knew he was a lame duck hc, so why would he bog himself down in small details. Like "TEAM DISCIPLINE"?

Are we STILL talking about practice?

That hot little chica must have put something in my cafecito to try to take advantage of me, because now I'm feeling really good. I mean, really good.

In fact, I'm going to go ahead and guarantee you a 14-2 season right now. We will shock the world.

14-2 and Bush and Thomas will combine for 2800 yards and 28 TDs between them.

Thomas does run hard. He gets into the endzone when it's 3rd and goal from the 1. He will get 1200 yards and 12 TDs this year. Watch.

Posted by: Fasucko | August 29, 2012 at 02:12 PM

I'll blow you in front of these bloggers if he does half that.

Sparano seems to now look as if he were in far over his head as hc from the giddy-yup. At NY Jets he seems in far over his head as oc. Now all o a sudden they seem to have the worst oline in the nfl.

Anyone seeing a pattern developing here?

LOL, Ive pissed off Armando's blind sheep, now he's impersonating me.

Dont worry little blind sheeringly, I wont come to sheer your dirty nappy wool. LOL

Craig M,
Hearin ya.
You'll notice I didn't put any of our RBs in untouchable status. They all seem every similar to me. Thomas is the lone different back.
I won' cry for any. But Bush seems the best of the bunch.
But, if you're GM, and you trade him, I won't be sharpening a pitchfork.

There are VERY FEW guys on this team that are "givens" to me. The rest are on the fence. Bush is not a "given".

Anything you watch, be it practice, a live Game or on tv you have to watch actively,using also the analytical capacity of your Brain. Besides, everybody saw the guy get 5 yds a pop. But, apparently, Armando was inactive(not active) for that Game.

Li'l Jeffie Ireland's a (slightly) glorified Ball-Boy. That's all he's ever been, that's all he will ever be.

Tuna & He & Fist-Pump have laid the groundwork for a decade more of mediocre football.

Now by himself, the Ball-Boy has stayed on this disastrous course. We are not a legitimate NFL team; we are a JOKE FRANCHISE!

I read the Herald article as mant as 10 position on the final 53 maybe for players not currently on the team. However, those players who will be our starters better be aware, that unlike under Sparano, they better not play like they have a sense of entitlement. Or they could be gone "in season" too.

Philbin seems to be looking for real football players and professionals. If you dont fit that description you'll be out of Miami very soon. Reminds me of the Shula days.

If you're gonna be a fvck-up, you better be a damn great player too.

Agreed yg

Dashi posted something and it got deleted. But ur right.

Why did u get singled out though


Injuries happen-Period. I shouldn't have to tell you guys this. Most knowledgable football fans know it's part of the game.

Up until Thomas' injury, he was leading ALL rookie running backs and quite a few vets in yards gained. Despite the injury, I don't know what you guys were realistically expecting?

The Kicker? The former Heisman Trophy Winner, you know, the GUY that EVERYBODY else knows was brought in to be the STARTER, you remember him?

The guy had his BEST season as a Pro. With or without Thomas' injury, he wasn't going to see the field much anyways while Reggie was on his way to 1000+ yards.

The funniest part of your fallacies? Had they played Thomas more, with Bush doing so well, you guys would have cried about that too.

Damned if you DO, damned if you DON'T. The essence of a Strawman Argument.


Yep, reports have been coming out the fins will go on a shopping spree come Friday.

Hopefully the list includes.

3 Wr's
2 O-linemen
1 Te
2 Lb's
1 Cb
1 Safety

I know some expect naanee and Hartline to stick, but Dashi hopes not.


Armando deleted my post too. But, because he said Thomas was no Larry Csonka, I said it can be argued he's no Gre Cote. I also told him, on any given day it could be argued whether it was he or Greg Cote that were the Herald's worst writers.

He called that a personal attack. But just like he does to the players, I attacked his apptitude to professionally do his job. That got under his skin. He can dish it out but he cant take it. LOL

Are The Reporters ready? You guys get plenty of rest now, you hear?


Its common knowledge amongst knowledgeble fans Armando and Greg Cote are the Herald's worst writers. Its a no brainer. Even the new writer, Adam Beasley is light years better.

Have you noticed the good Herald sports writers have gone on to do bigger and better things? Yet Armando and Cote have remained forever. Seems even thier peers and other journalistic companies(espn, ect..) dont recognize them as "good enough" to advance thier jornalism careers.

The proof's always in the pudding. Hello jello?

Yeah JS,

I didn't mean my comments to sound like an attack on you. Just that at this stage of the game there's so much wrong with this team that nothing should be untouchable. Somebody said it earlier and it was a good point, these guys are on a 4 month audition with Philbin. It's going to be his way or they'll be hitting the road. Now is that going to work here or will it cause us to lose some good players and we won't be able to replace them. Time will tell. We're not in full rebuild mode yet but I fear it's coming.

YG I will tell you again, pkdkussy: you are stupid, first off, and second off, typing LOL after every post makes you a girl, and you are by far the worst person on this blog.

Just watch, in a few more years, the new Herald writer Adam Beasley will have advaced his career and Armando and Cote will still be here.

There u idiots go again. I see its really hurting u guys that the Dolphins are not going to be good this year. Be like me keep rooting and jusr hope we can be competitive. 5 wins and a Tanny getting experience is good enough for me. Get a Life Guys.

What's with you, Tomlison, why you attack Ireland every day?

Mando, thank you for giving us our daily entertainment.

As you know, I have gone ahead and guaranteed a 14-2 season with Bush and Thomas combining for 2400 yards and 28 TDs between them. Now, it must be said that I made my prediction after a hot little mama (5'2", 102 pounds) at my local Cuban coffee spot must have slipped something into my cafecito, but nevertheless, what are your thoughts on my prediction?

Thank you in advance for your thoughts.

When Armando and Cote retire from the Herald, they'll booth recieve cheap mickey mouse watches and coloring book. Something to keep them busy rocking away the few remaining of thier little impactful lives.

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