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Eric Steinback retires: The good and bad

For weeks we've discussed how the much-anticipated competition for the starting right guard spot between Artis Hicks and Eric Steinbach never materialized. Steinbach couldn't muster a performance worthy of giving him first-team repetitions and he certainly couldn't be asked to do that at a position the longtime left guard simply has never played.

Well, Steinbach was so unhappy with his body's ability to come back from last year's injury-riddled season that he up and retired today. He told coach Joe Philbin who passed along the message to the media.

Steinbach, as we saw on Hard Knocks, had been mulling retirement for about a week now.

So much for adding him as an acorn.

What does it mean?

It's great news for John Jerry. Out of shape and overweight as he is, he's practically assured a spot on the roster now. Simply, Jerry is the team's third-best guard at the moment and has a chance to crack the starting lineup for the regular-season opener. It makes Nate Garner more valuable, too. And if rookie Chandler Burden shows something in practice and perhaps late in Friday night's game against Atlanta, coaches might continue to consider him for a roster spot.

"We're still evaluating that position," coach Joe Philbin said. "We'll see ... I'm sure we'll be fine."

Part of the evaluation is starting Jerry Friday against the Falcons. Mike Pouncey said today that was the plan. I can confirm to you that's currently the plan.

The Dolphins will keep anywhere between eight and 10 offensive linemen.

Meanwhile, this is not great news for the Miami personnel department. They plucked Steinbach off the scrap heap as a gamble. Everyone gets that. But the perception -- true or not, thanks to Hard Knocks -- is that they signed Steinbach over Braylon Edwards.

In the first Hard Knocks episode we see both Edwards and Steinbach coming in for a workout and the club let Edwards leave town while signing Steinbach. We see the Dolphins basically evaluate two players and pick one who's skills had basically evaporated.

That's not a good look regardless of whether the perception is in fact a reflection of what actually happened.

Look, I get on the personnel department just like anyone else. If you don't believe me, check my column in today's newspaper that complains about Miami's lack of playmakers to help Ryan Tannehill.

But I have to raise the possibility that maybe, just maybe, this decision might not have been made in the context of being able to sign only one of two players and the Dolphins picking Steinbach. If that was the case, it was indeed a swing-and-miss.

But leave open the possibilty that it wasn't. Let's be fair.  

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Well OF course the Dolphins all time record is good Tim Couch -- they were a dominent team for more than two decades.

Here is a fun comparison.

Miami Dolphins prior to Dave Wannstedt:

Super Bowl Appearances: 5
Playoff Appearances: 19
Losing Seasons: 2

Miami Dolphins Since Dave Wannstedt:

Super Bowl Appearances: 0
Playoff Appearances: 3
Losing Seasons: 5

wanny's teams were pretty good

Thurman Thomas is in the HOF because of the FINS defense....lol....

MiamiD20, The point is Ireland choose a fat beer pong playing OLineman coming off of back surgery who looks like he should be in Nathan Hot Dog Eating contest over a WR who was in decent shape and caught a lot more footballs than any other WR's on the team. Makes no sense. If Edwards gave problems cut him. DO you think JJ wouldof ever cut Michael Irvin

dont you know scottbibs,

We have a bunch of acorns in 3-4-5-6 on this team at reciever and a tight end all star basketball point guard in les brown, what more do you want from irefiend???

wannys teams were not that good....only thing that saved him was ricky (pothead) williams and his threshold for pain at running people over....

Gary, you need to develop some thicker skin my friend. On the contrary, you should be proud. You had the single greatest typo in the history of this blog, maybe even mankind. It was pure comedic genius and had me laughing for weeks. You did good, not bad. You should be happy. I am not inferring that you enjoy "hard Kocks" and if you did, well that's your business friend and I don't look down on you for it. To each their own. You still provide good entries to read unlike that blowhard ignoramus Flipper Breed.

Stay strong, and FYI, I am not a fan of Nickelback or Avril lavigne. The fact that they hail from the same country as me is an unfortunate co-incidence. I'm sure there are many Americans you aren't proud of either but heck, what can you do about it???

You don't write English as you pronounce it,Gary. Again.

DC, sorry to ruin your workout. But man, Flipper and his stupid long arms theory and who can lift and who can't when he does nothing but lift his fat azzz off the couch every few hours to feed his cats.

Tedd Ginn is the Fins' 25th all time leading receiver in yards, ahead of:

26 Terry Kirby 1993 1995 36 23 155 1646 10.6 6 47 4.3 45.7 9
27 Ferrell Edmunds 1988 1992 66 26 117 1612 13.8 10 80 1.8 24.4 7
28 Fred Banks 1987 1993 68 14 99 1555 15.7 8 61 1.5 22.9 1
29 Troy Drayton 1996 1999 55 21 127 1511 11.9 8 51 2.3 27.5 0
Rk From To G AV Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Fmb
30 James McKnight 2001 2003 46 16 107 1497 14.0 7 80 2.3 32.5 6
31 Joe Rose 1980 1985 82 24 112 1493 13.3 13 50 1.4 18.2 0
32 Ronnie Brown 2005 2010 76 40 184 1491 8.1 2 43 2.4 19.6 13
33 Keith Byars 1993 1996 45 17 166 1433 8.6 10 34 3.7 31.8 3
34 Ricky Williams 2002 2010 92 57 197 1431 7.3 6 59 2.1 15.6 29
35 Jim Mandich 1970 1977 109 35 121 1406 11.6 23 44 1.1 12.9 1
36 Troy Stradford 1987 1990 48 23 159 1373 8.6 2 36 3.3 28.6 17
37 Greg Camarillo 2007 2009 42 12 113 1325 11.7 4 64 2.7 31.5 0
38 Bernie Parmalee 1993 1998 94 26 144 1306 9.1 3 35 1.5 13.9 14
39 Mark Ingram 1993 1994 31 12 88 1213 13.8 12 77 2.8 39.1 4
40 Lamar Thomas 1996 1998 37 10 81 1171 14.5 8 56 2.2 31.6 1
41 Jack Clancy 1967 1969 22 11 88 1157 13.1 3 50 4.0 52.6 2
42 Wes Welker 2005 2006 32 9 96 1121 11.7 1 47 3.0 35.0 8
43 Tony Paige 1990 1992 45 12 140 1115 8.0 6 30 3.1 24.8 3
44 Dan Johnson 1983 1987 66 19 94 1012 10.8 16 61 1.4 15.3 2
45 Freddie Solomon 1975 1977 37 20 61 973 16.0 5 58 1.6 26.3 4
46 Lorenzo Hampton 1985 1989 70 27 123 954 7.8 6 39 1.8 13.6 14
47 James Pruitt 1986 1991 50 10 58 942 16.2 8 37 1.2 18.8 6
48 Larry Seiple 1967 1977 111 21 73 934 12.8 7 41 0.7 8.4 1
49 Doug Moreau 1966 1969 33 14 73 926 12.7 6 43 2.2 28.1 0
50 Marlin Briscoe 1972 1974 28 16 57 858 15.1 7 53 2.0 30.6 0
51 Rob Konrad 1999 2004 82 18 111 854 7.7 6 25 1.4 10.4 5
52 Ron Davenport 1985 1989 67 18 93 801 8.6 4 29 1.4 12.0 7
53 Stanley Pritchett 1996 1999 52 15 98 798 8.1 6 74 1.9 15.3 3
54 Andre Tillman 1975 1978 58 21 66 757 11.5 6 37 1.1 13.1 1
55 David Martin 2007 2008 31 10 65 753 11.6 5 61 2.1 24.3 1
56 Norm Bulaich 1975 1979 64 28 109 752 6.9 6 59 1.7 11.8 7
57 Fred Barnett 1996 1997 15 7 53 728 13.7 4 66 3.5 48.5 2
58 Derrius Thompson 2003 2004 32 6 49 718 14.7 4 36 1.5 22.4 0
59 Larry Csonka 1968 1979 106 77 91 688 7.6 4 65 0.9 6.5 18
Rk From To G AV Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Fmb
60 Randal Hill 1995 1996 26 7 33 669 20.3 4 61 1.3 25.7 1
61 Derek Hagan 2006 2008 36 5 53 645 12.2 3 24 1.5 17.9 0
62 Charles Jordan 1996 1998 23 6 36 640 17.8 3 44 1.6 27.8 4
63 Gary Davis 1976 1979 57 23 74 592 8.0 1 34 1.3 10.4 7
64 Delvin Williams 1978 1980 45 29 70 574 8.2 1 42 1.6 12.8 13
65 Jerris McPhail 1996 1997 23 7 54 544 10.1 1 52 2.3 23.7 3
66 Stan Mitchell 1967 1970 40 11 42 533 12.7 5 48 1.1 13.3 5
67 Karim Abdul-Jabbar 1996 1999 50 23 77 527 6.8 1 36 1.5 10.5 9
68 Gary Clark 1995 1995 16 5 37 525 14.2 2 42 2.3 32.8 0
69 Marv Fleming 1970 1974 67 20 48 523 10.9 4 36 0.7 7.8 0
70 Bo Roberson 1966 1966 11 4 26 519 20.0 2 80 2.4 47.2 0
71 Bobby Humphrey 1992 1992 16 8 54 507 9.4 1 26 3.4 31.7 2
72 Eric Green 1995 1995 14 7 43 499 11.6 3 31 3.1 35.6 0
73 Mercury Morris 1969 1975 86 52 46 491 10.7 1 50 0.5 5.7 31
74 Joe Auer 1966 1967 27 9 40 481 12.0 6 68 1.5 17.8 14
75 Jed Weaver 2000 2002 48 9 34 469 13.8 5 41 0.7 9.8 2
76 Andre Brown 1989 1990 22 4 27 459 17.0 5 48 1.2 20.9 1
77 Leslie Shepherd 2000 2000 13 5 35 446 12.7 4 46 2.7 34.3 0
78 Tommy Vigorito 1981 1985 35 10 59 439 7.4 2 31 1.7 12.5 6
79 Frank Jackson 1966 1967 20 5 25 439 17.6 3 48 1.3 22.0 0
80 Lamar Smith 2000 2001 31 16 61 435 7.1 4 65 2.0 14.0 9
81 Patrick Cobbs 2007 2010 51 4 32 409 12.8 4 80 0.6 8.0 1
82 Dedric Ward 2001 2002 29 4 40 381 9.5 0 22 1.4 13.1 2
83 Greg Baty 1991 1994 64 9 30 377 12.6 4 32 0.5 5.9 2
84 Scott Schwedes 1988 1990 29 5 19 370 19.5 2 65 0.7 12.8 4
85 Travis Minor 2001 2006 75 9 50 353 7.1 1 29 0.7 4.7 0
86 Justin Peelle 2006 2007 31 5 45 344 7.6 3 35 1.5 11.1 0
87 Otto Stowe 1971 1972 21 6 18 344 19.1 3 49 0.9 16.4 0
88 Sammy Morris 2004 2006 41 8 51 340 6.7 0 44 1.2 8.3 5
89 Gene Milton 1968 1969 27 4 21 322 15.3 1 49 0.8 11.9 6
Rk From To G AV Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Fmb
90 Dave Kocourek

Why didn't the Dolphins hire Mike Tomlin in 2007?

Gary Stevens, just shut up! At least Ginn actually won games you moron.

NONE has experienced what we Originals have gone thru. From more than mediocrity, to the heights of Brilliance, only to fall into the Darkest pit of despair. Please, consider Us.

Wanny's teams were not good. Look at the numbers those years.

We should be happy this year just for the pure fun of seeing what 6'6" Tanne will do.

Remember 5 freakin' years in a row the starting QB job was just handed to Jay Fielder. I just checked his stats and those years were even more brutal than I had remembered. That dude could not even get the ball down the field more than 20 yards.

Also, Clayton and Duper each had only about 4 seasons better than 2 that Ginn put up his first 2 years. Look it up. Except for TD production. I'm talking catches and yards. Only 4 or 5 seasons over 800 yards.

And I own Clayton and Duper jersies.

Fins' all time kick and punt return leaders:

1 Wes Welker 2004 2006 46 10 127 1232 0 71 9.7 166 3756 1 95 22.6 6114
2 Ted Ginn Jr. 2007 2009 48 18 36 312 1 87 8.7 147 3386 2 101 23.0 5486
3 Fulton Walker 1981 1984 52 10 34 305 0 33 9.0 123 2944 1 90 23.9 3249
4 Craig Ellis 1986 1986 9 0 24 149 0 17 6.2 25 541 0 41 21.6 696
5 John Avery 1998 1999 17 4 45 1140 0 55 25.3 1710
6 Freddie Solomon 1975 1977 37 20 71 810 2 79 11.4 28 633 1 90 22.6 2606
7 Joe Cribbs 1988 1988 12 0 41 863 0 44 21.0 884
8 Charlie Rogers 2003 2003 11 0 21 186 0 48 8.9 19 383 0 33 20.2 569
9 Clyde Gates 2011 2011 13 0 3 32 0 17 10.7 34 843 0 77 24.8 898
10 Chris Chambers 2001 2001 16 8 36 811 0 47 22.5 1683
11 Joe Auer 1966 1967 27 9 14 141 0 56 10.1 49 1139 1 95 23.2 2305
12 Nate Jacquet 1998 1999 28 1 28 351 0 45 12.5 5 129 0 37 25.8 624
13 Abner Haynes 1967 1967 11 3 6 37 0 20 6.2 22 444 0 51 20.2 855
14 Nolan Carroll 2010 2010 13 0 27 655 0 46 24.3 655
15 Davone Bess 2008 2011 64 22 111 1166 0 47 10.5 15 311 0 32 20.7 4176
16 Irving Spikes 1994 1997 48 8 89 2058 0 59 23.1 3177
17 Patrick Cobbs 2007 2010 51 4 52 1042 0 60 20.0 1622
18 Tommy Vigorito 1981 1985 35 10 79 830 2 87 10.5 4 84 0 25 21.0 1568
19 Autry Denson 2000 2000 11 2 20 495 0 56 24.8 708
20 Albert Johnson 2002 2002 4 0 8 69 0 13 8.6 12 330 0 49 27.5 399
21 Jeff Ogden 2000 2001 32 2 51 700 1 81 13.7 797
22 Lorenzo Hampton 1985 1989 70 27 96 2025 0 46 21.1 4928
23 Brock Marion 1998 2001 63 29 107 2517 0 93 23.5 2517
24 Leslie Shepherd 2000 2000 13 5 15 164 0 32 10.9 1 14 0 14 14.0 627
25 Vince Heflin 1982 1984 36 0 7 95 0 37 13.6 12 206 0 31 17.2 301
26 Jerris McPhail 1996 1997 23 7 30 649 0 40 21.6 1367
27 Lamont Brightful 2004 2004 2 1 9 89 0 36 9.9 5 126 0 32 25.2 215
28 Bernie Parmalee 1992 1994 25 9 16 289 0 32 18.1 1444
29 Bob Neff 1966 1968 33 5 24 165 0 20 6.9 35 917 0 95 26.2 1082
Punt Returns Kick Returns
Rk From To G AV Ret Yds TD Lng Y/R Rt Yds TD Lng Y/Rt APYd
30 Marc Logan 1989 1991 42 6 56 1171 1 97 20.9 1782
31 Jimmy Warren 1968 1969 27 12 2 -1 0 0 -0.5 11 227 0 36 20.6 226
32 Dick Anderson 1968 1977 121 84 46 324 0 47 7.0 7 114 0 25 16.3 446
33 Corey Harris 1997 1997 16 3 11 224 0 34 20.4 224
34 Mercury Morris 1969 1973 67 40 27 171 0 38 6.3 111 2947 3 105 26.5 6355
35 James Pruitt 1986 1986 16 4 11 150 1 71 13.6 385
36 Scott Schwedes 1987 1990 41 5 75 732 1 70 9.8 17 302 0 34 17.8 1404
37 Sam Simmons 2003 2003 11 0 8 100 0 32 12.5 3 64 0 34 21.3 164
38 Hubert Ginn 1970 1975 60 5 1 4 0 4 4.0 37 806 0 39 21.8 1272
39 Mark Higgs 1990 1990 12 0 10 210 0 30 21.0 277
40 Tom Beier 1969 1969 14 4 5 8 0 9 1.6 4 58 0 17 14.5 66
41 Mike Caterbone 1987 1987 3 0 9 78 0 21 8.7 124
42 Wes Matthews 1966 1966 4 0 4 38 0 19 9.5 5 109 0 29 21.8 167
43 Gene Milton 1968 1969 27 4 7 59 0 26 8.4 26 574 0 74 22.1 1063
44 Dedric Ward 2001 2002 29 4 25 257 0 34 10.3 659
45 Terry Anderson 1977 1978 15 0 1 6 0 6 6.0 14 324 0 40 23.1 341
46 Don Bessillieu 1980 1981 32 11 2 12 0 12 6.0 47 1004 0 87 21.4 1016
47 Aaron Craver 1991 1992 20 1 40 789 0 49 19.7 923
48 Qadry Ismail 1997 1997 3 0 8 166 0 27 20.8 166
49 O.J. McDuffie 1993 1999 107 49 127 1127 2 72 8.9 92 2103 0 48 22.9 8213
50 Gary Tucker 1968 1968 14 0 5 40 0 15 8.0 3 54 0 25 18.0 107
51 Robert Baker 2002 2002 10 0 7 55 0 21 7.9 72
52 Kirby Dar Dar 1995 1996 12 0 8 154 0 25 19.3 154
53 Mike Kozlowski 1979 1985 76 12 17 148 0 20 8.7 12 240 0 40 20.0 388
54 Reggie Bush 2011 2011 15 10 6 52 0 16 8.7 1434
55 Frank Jackson 1966 1966 10 3 2 7 0 7 3.5 4 105 0 34 26.3 451
56 Willard Reaves 1989 1989 2 0 6 84 0 22 14.0 84
57 Troy Stradford 1987 1990 33 17 17 133 0 19 7.8 17 314 0 32 18.5 2391
58 Billy Hunter 1966 1966 3 0 5 84 0 29 16.8 84
59 Pete Jaquess 1966 1966 14 5 5 77 0 23 15.4 77
Punt Returns Kick Returns
Rk From To G AV Ret Yds TD Lng Y/R Rt Yds TD Lng Y/Rt APYd
60 Charles Jordan 1996 1998 23 6 31 320 0 38 10.3 5 87 0 22 17.4 1059
61 Ben Kelly 2000 2000 2 0 5 31 0 10 6.2 31
62 Frank Lockett 1985 1985 3 0 5 23 0 8 4.6 23
63 Bob Matheson 1971 1974 42 11 10 131 0 25 13.1 131
64 Clifton Smith 2010 2010 2 0 2 9 0 6 4.5 3 52 0 19 17.3 61
65 Troy Vincent 1992 1992 15 6 5 16 0 6 3.2 16
66 Joe Carter 1985 1986 17 1 13 215 0 25 16.5 322
67 Terry Kirby 1993 1993 16 11 4 85 0 26 21.3 1349
68 Stan Mitchell 1967 1970 28 5 6 92 0 37 15.3 602
69 Charlie Babb 1974 1979 69 24 24 229 0 46 9.5 1 0 0 0 0.0 229
70 Preston Carpenter 1967 1967 13 1 3 87 0 45 29.0 214
71 George Farmer 1987 1987 1 0 3 56 0 23 18.7 61
72 Bryan Gilmore 2004 2005 31 2 8 198 0 53 24.8 520
73 Brian Hartline 2009 2009 16 5 3 36 0 18 12.0 571
74 Tony Nathan 1979 1983 48 22 51 484 1 86 9.5 53 1133 0 43 21.4 3959
75 Don Nottingham 1975 1977 42 14 11 223 0 27 20.3 1497
76 Steve Slaton 2011 2011 3 0 3 85 0 42 28.3 146
77 Kevin Williams 2000 2000 2 0 3 64 0 24 21.3 64
78 Jerry Wilson 1999 1999 16 2 3 50 0 23 16.7 50
79 Stefon Adams 1990 1990 2 0 2 16 0 10 8.0 16
80 Lyle Blackwood 1985 1986 21 3 1 0 0 0 0.0 2 32 0 17 16.0 32
81 Marty Booker 2007 2007 15 5 2 3 0 3 1.5 571
82 Andre Brown 1989 1989 16 4 2 9 0 9 4.5 419
83 Bud Brown 1987 1987 9 3 2 8 0 8 4.0 8
84 Jimmy Cefalo 1978 1979 32 5 30 242 0 26 8.1 2 40 0 21 20.0 650
85 Jesse Chatman 2007 2007 14 5 2 31 0 21 15.5 707
86 Tony Collins 1990 1990 1 0 2 30 0 30 15.0 30
87 Gary Davis 1976 1979 57 23 3 47 0 25 15.7 55 1309 0 73 23.8 3337
88 Deon Dyer 2001 2001 16 1 2 24 0 14 12.0 24
89 Nuu Faaola 1989 1989 10 0 2 30 0 17 15.0 48
Punt Returns Kick Returns
Rk From To G AV Ret Yds TD Lng Y/R Rt Yds TD Lng Y/Rt APYd
90 Hunter Goodwin 2000 2000 16 2 2 6 0 6 3.0 42
91 Derek Hagan 2007 2007 16 3 2 25 0 14 12.5 398
92 Jack Harper 1967 1968 14 4 5 22 0 8 4.4 1 18 0 18 18.0 449
93 Randal Hill 1991 1996 27 7 15 324 0 33 21.6 993
94 J.J. Johnson 1999 2001 36 7 5 68 0 26 13.6 998
95 Rob Konrad 2002 2002 16 5 2 33 0 18 16.5 268
96 Charlie Leigh 1971 1974 43 3 31 274 0 27 8.8 21 553 0 51 26.3 1064
97 Brandon London 2008 2008 14 0 2 28 0 17 14.0 58
98 Jim Mandich 1970 1970 14 1 2 0 0 0 0.0 3
99 Jim Mertens 1969 1969 14 1 2 1 0 1 0.5 27
100 Travis Minor 2002 2006 64 2 84 1837 0 66 21.9 2316
101 Lousaka Polite 2009 2010 32 2 4 34 0 12 8.5 331
102 Pete Roth 1987 1987 3 0 2 49 0 26 24.5 59
103 Jim Urbanek 1968 1968 8 1 2 15 0 10 7.5 15
104 Jed Weaver 2000 2002 32 5 3 38 0 18 12.7 292
105 Mike Williams 1992 1994 43 2 29 517 0 39 17.8 792
106 Ronnie Williams 1994 1995 30 3 4 45 0 15 11.3 99
107 Stan Winfrey 1975 1976 25 3 3 49 0 25 16.3 319
108 Dave Ahrens 1989 1989 11 3 1 10 0 10 10.0 10
109 Jeff Allen 1980 1980 16 1 1 0 0 0 0.0 0
110 Jonathan Amaya 2010 2010 10 0 1 0 0 0 0.0 0
111 Melvin Baker 1974 1974 9 2 1 22 0 22 22.0 143
112 Bruce Bannon 1973 1973 14 2 1 10 0 10 10.0 10
113 Bill Barnett 1980 1980 16 1 1 7 0 7 7.0 7
114 Greg Baty 1993 1994 32 3 2 7 0 7 3.5 96
115 Woody Bennett 1983 1983 16 2 1 6 0 6 6.0 238
116 Joe Berger 2009 2009 16 4 1 13 0 13 13.0 13
117 Glenn Blackwood 1980 1987 91 48 11 41 0 18 3.7 41
118 David Bowens 2005 2006 32 5 3 26 0 11 8.7 26
119 Mel Branch 1966 1966 14 1 1 15 0 15 15.0 15
Punt Returns Kick Returns
Rk From To G AV Ret Yds TD Lng Y/R Rt Yds TD Lng Y/Rt APYd
120 Tyrone Braxton 1994 1994 16 1 1 34 0 34 34.0 34
121 Marlin Briscoe 1972 1972 10 5 1 0 0 0 0.0 279
122 Dean Brown 1970 1970 5 1 1 0 0 0 0.0 0
123 Mark Brown 1983 1983 14 2 1 0 0 0 0.0 0
124 Bob Brudzinski 1989 1989 10 1 1 6 0 6 6.0 6
125 Bob Bruggers 1966 1966 14 1 1 3 0 3 3.0 3
126 Terrell Buckley 1995 2003 96 37 45 451 0 35 10.0 2 64 0 48 32.0 515
127 Mark Clayton 1983 1986 60 43 52 485 1 60 9.3 3 40 0 25 13.3 4261
128 Charles Cornelius 1978 1978 16 1 1 5 0 5 5.0 5
129 Terry Cousin 2001 2001 16 2 1 0 0 0 0.0 0
130 Ron Davenport 1986 1989 41 10 19 345 0 37 18.2 1466
131 Jeff Dellenbach 1991 1991 15 2 1 0 0 0 0.0 0
132 Rich Diana 1982 1982 9 1 1 15 0 15 15.0 67
133 A.J. Duhe 1984 1984 12 7 1 0 0 0 0.0 0
134 Ferrell Edmunds 1988 1988 16 8 1 20 0 20 20.0 587
135 Anthony Fasano 2008 2008 16 7 1 0 0 0 0.0 454
136 Steve Fifita 2007 2007 13 1 1 0 0 0 0.0 0
137 Jamar Fletcher 2002 2002 16 2 1 0 0 0 0.0 0
138 Tim Foley 1970 1970 14 1 1 0 0 0 0.0 0
139 Irving Fryar 1993 1993 16 10 1 10 0 10 10.0 1016
140 Nick Giaquinto 1980 1981 24 3 7 35 0 15 5.0 10 168 0 22 16.8 480
141 Ernest Gibson 1989 1989 5 0 1 -1 0 -1 -1.0 -1
142 Kerry Goode 1989 1989 1 0 1 8 0 8 8.0 8
143 Rick Graf 1990 1990 8 1 1 6 0 6 6.0 6
144 Bruce Hardy 1978 1988 62 23 12 156 0 18 13.0 1365
145 Anthony Harris 1997 1997 16 6 1 0 0 0 0.0 0
146 Duriel Harris 1976 1981 69 39 9 79 0 16 8.8 56 1416 0 69 25.3 4616
147 Will Heller 2005 2005 7 0 1 11 0 11 11.0 12
148 Charles Henry 1991 1991 6 1 1 13 0 13 13.0 30
149 Eddie Hill 1981 1984 27 2 2 25 0 14 12.5 244
Punt Returns Kick Returns
Rk From To G AV Ret Yds TD Lng Y/R Rt Yds TD Lng Y/Rt APYd
150 Sean Hill

Tedd Ginn contributed to the few teams he was on.

Also, Clayton and Duper each had only about 4 seasons better than 2 that Ginn put up his first 2 years. Look it up. Except for TD production. I'm talking catches and yards. Only 4 or 5 seasons over 800 yards.

And I own Clayton and Duper jersies.

Posted by: Tim Couch | August 22, 2012 at 04:39 PM

You should consider pawning them in an effort to obtain a fully functional brain.

Braylon wasn't the solution to our problem, he would have cost us more than the veteran minimum (I assume) and as Mando pointed out a few blogs ago we only have 2 million in cap space. Who were you to cut? Murtha? Garrard? We didn't and still don't need Edwards as much as we need an RG....or SS or FS. At the time we tried out Edwards we had our "solution" in Chad Johnson. Barging into coaches meetings, an F bomb press conference, and one arrest later he's gone, no one expected that behavior from a player who's been a good citizen his entire NFL career

Tedd Ginn, in only a few years, is the Fins' 60th all time leading scorer, ahead of:

61 Travis Minor 2001 2004 59 10 8 1 1 10 60
62 Irving Spikes 1994 1997 48 8 8 2 10 60
63 David Woodley 1980 1982 37 25 9 1 10 60
64 Jason Taylor 1999 2009 127 99 6 3 9 2 58
65 Pete Johnson 1984 1984 13 1 9 9 54
66 Dan Marino 1983 1998 92 79 9 9 54
67 Brandon Marshall 2010 2011 30 18 9 9 54
68 Stan Mitchell 1967 1970 37 9 4 5 9 54
69 Tony Paige 1990 1992 45 12 3 6 9 54
70 James Pruitt 1986 1990 34 10 8 1 9 54
71 Freddie Solomon 1975 1977 37 20 1 5 2 1 9 54
72 Jimmy Keyes 1968 1968 12 1 30 7 51
73 Troy Drayton 1996 1999 55 21 8 8 1 50
74 James McKnight 2001 2003 46 16 1 7 8 1 50
75 Fred Banks 1987 1992 52 13 8 8 48
76 Gary Davis 1976 1979 57 23 7 1 8 48
77 Sammy Morris 2004 2006 41 8 8 8 48
78 Stanley Pritchett 1996 1999 46 14 2 6 8 48
79 Lamar Thomas 1996 1998 37 10 8 8 48
80 Doug Moreau 1967 1968 25 12 6 6 6 1 45
81 Marlin Briscoe 1972 1974 28 16 7 7 42
82 Reggie Bush 2011 2011 15 10 6 1 7 42
83 Bob Griese 1967 1975 68 60 7 7 42
84 Rob Konrad 1999 2004 53 12 1 6 7 42
85 Larry Seiple 1968 1976 42 11 7 7 42
86 Booth Lusteg 1967 1967 8 0 18 7 39
87 Patrick Cobbs 2007 2010 46 4 2 4 6 36
88 Leroy Harris 1977 1978 26 14 6 6 36
89 Brian Hartline 2009 2011 44 14 1 5 6 36
Rk From To G AV RshTD RecTD PR TD KR TD FblTD IntTD OthTD AllTD 2PM XPM FGM Sfty Pts
90 Andre Tillman 1976 1978 44 18 6 6 36
91 Tommy Vigorito 1981 1982 25 10 2 2 2 6 36
92 Andre Brown 1989 1989 16 4 5 5 30
93 Lex Hilliard 2009 2011 32 3 2 2 1 5 30
94 J.J. Johnson 1999 2000 26 7 5 5 30
95 David Martin 2007 2008 31 10 5 5 30
96 Jed Weaver 2001 2002 32 6 5 5 30
97 Dick Anderson 1968 1973 42 43 1 3 4 24
98 Fred Barnett 1996 1997 15 7 4 4 24
99 Greg Baty 1991 1994 64 9 4 4 24
100 Terrell Buckley 1996 2003 64 30 1 3 4 24
101 Greg Camarillo 2007 2008 26 7 4 4 24
102 Marv Fleming 1971 1974 42 12 4 4 24
103 Jack Harper 1967 1967 9 4 1 3 4 24
104 Randal Hill 1996 1996 14 4 4 4 24
105 Cleo Lemon 2007 2007 9 5 4 4 24
106 Marc Logan 1989 1990 26 6 2 1 1 4 24
107 Leslie Shepherd 2000 2000 13 5 4 4 24
108 Zach Thomas 1996 2001 47 42 4 4 24
109 Derrius Thompson 2004 2004 16 3 4 4 24
110 Willie Beecher 1987 1987 3 0 12 3 21
111 Eric Green 1995 1995 14 7 3 3 1 20
112 Derek Hagan 2006 2007 32 5 3 3 1 20
113 Sam Madison 1999 2003 48 40 1 2 3 1 20
114 John Avery 1998 1998 16 4 2 1 3 18
115 Jack Clancy 1967 1969 22 11 3 3 18
116 Charles Clay 2011 2011 13 3 3 3 18
117 Tony Franklin 1988 1988 5 0 6 4 18
118 Samkon Gado 2007 2007 5 1 3 3 18
119 Nick Giaquinto 1980 1981 24 3 2 1 3 18
Rk From To G AV RshTD RecTD PR TD KR TD FblTD IntTD OthTD AllTD 2PM XPM FGM Sfty Pts
120 Hubert Ginn 1972 1974 23 3 3 3 18
121 Shayne Graham 2011 2011 2 0 6 4 18
122 Joey Haynos 2008 2009 23 4 3 3 18
123 Frank Jackson 1966 1967 20 5 3 3 18
124 Charles Jordan 1997 1997 14 5 3 3 18
125 Mike Kozlowski 1981 1983 30 5 1 2 3 18
126 Ronnie Lee 1980 1981 32 14 3 3 18
127 Ray Lucas 2001 2002 17 4 3 3 18
128 Loaird McCreary 1977 1978 30 4 3 3 18
129 Lloyd Mumphord 1970 1972 28 12 2 1 3 18
130 David Overstreet 1983 1983 14 4 1 2 3 18
131 Justin Peelle 2006 2007 31 5 3 3 18
132 Scott Schwedes 1989 1990 13 4 2 1 3 18
133 Ronald Scott 1987 1987 3 2 3 3 18
134 Otto Stowe 1971 1972 21 6 3 3 18
135 Matt Bryant 2004 2004 3 0 7 3 16
136 Wes Welker 2004 2006 30 6 1 1 2 1 1 16
137 Tim Foley 1973 1974 24 12 2 2 1 14
138 Melvin Baker 1974 1974 9 2 2 2 12
139 Charlie Baumann 1991 1991 2 0 6 2 12
140 Bob Baumhower 1978 1984 31 22 2 2 12
141 Jim Braxton 1978 1978 10 1 2 2 12
142 Gary Clark 1995 1995 16 5 2 2 12
143 Cecil Collins 1999 1999 8 3 2 2 12
144 Robert Edwards 2002 2002 12 2 1 1 2 12
145 Bryan Gilmore 2004 2005 31 2 2 2 12
146 Abner Haynes 1967 1967 11 3 2 2 12
147 Chad Henne 2009 2011 18 11 2 2 12
148 Eddie Hill 1981 1981 11 2 1 1 2 12
149 Liffort Hobley 1987 1988 30 8 2 2 12
Rk From To G AV RshTD RecTD PR TD KR TD FblTD IntTD OthTD AllTD 2PM XPM FGM Sfty Pts
150 Bobby Humphrey 1992 1992 16 8 1 1 2 12
151 William Judson 1984 1985 32 15 2 2 12
152 Dave Kocourek 1966 1966 14 4 2 2 12
153 Donald Lee 2003 2004 32 4 2 2 12
154 Kyle Mackey 1987 1987 3 3 2 2 12
155 Brock Marion 2001 2001 15 7 2 2 12
156 Don McNeal 1982 1984 20 15 2 2 12
157 Jerris McPhail 1997 1997 14 4 1 1 2 12
158 Scott Miller 1994 1996 21 2 1 1 2 12
159 Gene Milton 1968 1969 27 4 1 1 2 12
160 Matt Moore 2011 2011 13 8 2 2 12
161 Jeff Ogden 2000 2001 32 2 1 1 2 12
162 Louis Oliver 1992 1993 27 16 2 2 12
163 Ed Perry 1997 1999 32 3 2 2 12
164 Sammy Price 1967 1967 9 2 1 1 2 12
165 Bo Roberson 1966 1966 11 4 2 2 12
166 Terry Robiskie 1980 1980 8 2 2 2 12
167 Bill Stanfill 1969 1969 13 9 2 2 12
168 Don Strock 1975 1976 10 4 2 2 12
169 Patrick Surtain 2001 2002 30 20 2 2 12
170 Troy Vincent 1994 1995 29 13 2 2 12
171 Jimmy Warren 1966 1967 28 16 1 1 2 12
172 Dick Westmoreland 1966 1967 28 16 2 2 12
173 Stan Winfrey 1976 1976 14 3 1 1 2 12
174 Bill Gramatica 2004 2004 1 0 3 9
175 Kim Bokamper 1978 1983 31 17 1 1 1 8
176 Aaron Craver 1991 1994 22 4 1 1 1 8
177 Billy Joe 1966 1966 14 2 1 1 1 8
178 Curtis Johnson 1971 1973 28 17 1 1 1 8
179 Will Allen 2008 2008 16 7 1 1 6
Rk From To G AV RshTD RecTD PR TD KR TD FblTD IntTD OthTD AllTD 2PM XPM FGM Sfty Pts
180 John Beck 2007 2007 5 2 1 1 6
181 Don Bessillieu 1980 1980 16 7 1 1 6
182 Glenn Blackwood 1982 1982 9 9 1 1 6
183 Tim Bowens 1997 1997 16 7 1 1 6
184 J.B. Brown 1992 1992 16 7 1 1 6
185 Bob Brudzinski 1985 1985 14 7 1 1 6
186 Nick Buoniconti 1973 1973 13 14 1 1 6
187 Kevin Burnett 2011 2011 16 12 1 1 6
188 Brett Carolan 1996 1996 6 1 1 1 6
189 Cris Carter 2002 2002 5 1 1 1 6
190 Joe Carter 1984 1984 13 5 1 1 6
191 Rick Casares 1966 1966 6 2 1 1 6
192 Jesse Chatman 2007 2007 14 5 1 1 6
193 Casey Cramer 2008 2008 9 0 1 1 6
194 Bill Cronin 1966 1966 14 1 1 1 6
195 Daunte Culpepper 2006 2006 4 2 1 1 6
196 Vontae Davis 2009 2009 16 4 1 1 6
197 Vern Den Herder 1978 1978 16 8 1 1 6
198 Leland Douglas 1987 1987 3 1 1 1 6
199 Bert Emanuel 2000 2000 11 1 1 1 6
200 Frank Emanuel 1968 1968 14 6 1 1 6
201 Tom Erlandson 1966 1966 14 10 1 1 6
202 Earl Faison 1966 1966 6 1 1 1 6
203 A.J. Feeley 2004 2004 11 1 1 1 6
204 Trent Gamble 2002 2002 13 1 1 1 6
205 Cookie Gilchrist 1966 1966 8 3 1 1 6
206 Kerry Glenn 1990 1990 16 2 1 1 6
207 Hunter Goodwin 2000 2000 16 2 1 1 6
208 Vince Heflin 1985 1985 5 1 1 1 6
209 Will Heller 2005 2005 7 0 1 1 6
Rk From To G AV RshTD RecTD PR TD KR TD FblTD IntTD OthTD AllTD 2PM XPM FGM Sfty Pts
210 Renaldo Hill 2006 2006 16 7 1 1 6
211 Sean Hill 1996 1996 12 3 1 1 6
212 Trell Hooper 1987 1987 3 2 1 1 6
213 Steve Howell 1980 1980 16 3 1 1 6
214 Rickey Isom 1987 1987 3 0 1 1 6
215 Calvin Jackson 1996 1996 16 6 1 1 6
216 Vestee Jackson 1992 1992 11 3 1 1 6
217 Pete Jaquess 1966 1966 14 5 1 1 6
218 Pat Johnson 1995 1995 14 1 1 1 6
219 Robert Jones 1998 1998 16 10 1 1 6
220 Chuck Klingbeil 1991 1991 15 3 1 1 6
221 Bernie Kosar 1995 1995 9 2 1 1 6
222 Michael Lehan 2007 2007 15 5 1 1 6
223 Charlie Leigh 1973 1973 14 2 1 1 6
224 David Lewis 1987 1987 5 1 1 1 6
225 Phillip Merling 2008 2008 16 3 1 1 6
226 Koa Misi 2010 2010 16 6 1 1 6
227 Kenny Mixon 2001 2001 16 8 1 1 6
228 Marlon Moore 2010 2010 9 1 1 1 6
229 Earl Morrall 1972 1972 14 11 1 1 6
230 Cliff Odom 1990 1990 16 9 1 1 6
231 Chad Pennington 2008 2008 16 13 1 1 6
232 Brett Perriman 1997 1997 8 3 1 1 6
233 Lousaka Polite 2010 2010 16 1 1 1 6
234 Derrick Pope 2004 2004 16 4 1 1 6
235 Willie Richardson 1970 1970 10 1 1 1 6
236 John Roderick 1966 1966 6 1 1 1 6
237 Jake Scott 1970 1970 14 9 1 1 6
238 Scott Secules 1991 1991 14 1 1 1 6
239 Steve Slaton 2011 2011 3 0 1 1 6
Rk From To G AV RshTD RecTD PR TD KR TD FblTD IntTD OthTD AllTD 2PM XPM FGM Sfty Pts
240 Gerald Small 1978 1978 16 5 1 1 6
241 Willie Smith 1987 1987 3 0 1 1 6
242 Brian Sochia 1990 1990 5 2 1 1 6
243 Kory Sperry 2009 2009 8 1 1 1 6
244 John Stofa 1967 1967 1 0 1 1 6
245 John Tagliaferri 1987 1987 3 2 1 1 6
246 Daniel Thomas 2011 2011 13 4 1 1 6
247 Norris Thomas 1978 1978 16 8 1 1 6
248 Thurman Thomas 2000 2000 9 2 1 1 6
249 Bob Torrey 1979 1979 7 1 1 1 6
250 Frank Wainright 1996 1996 16 1 1 1 6
251 Fulton Walker 1981 1981 16 4 1 1 6
252 Willie West 1968 1968 13 5 1 1 6
253 Jarvis Williams 1990 1990 16 9 1 1 6
254 Robert E. Wilson 1996 1996 15 0 1 1 6
255 Dick Wood 1966 1966 14 -1 1 1 6
256 Van Tiffin 1987 1987 1 0 4 4
257 Charlie Anderson

Gary, my friend, can't bench that much. That's a crazy lift.

I keep reading all these posts that keep spewing garbage about us not having any weapons to throw to....Was Wallace (pitt) a high pick.....no was Cruz a pick at all??? What about Greg Jennings. You dont know what you got in young players till they hit the field and get the chance to prove themselves. We could have 2 or 3 gems in our wr corps right now just waiting to bust out. It takes confidence to make plays in the nfl most confidence comes from playing time. Just relax and lets build from, within. Just like Philbin told us in the beginning HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN BUILDING A TEAM THROUGH FREE AGENCY.

How many undrafted WR's make it big in this league? Now tell me how many undrafted OLinemen even crack a 53 man roster...

Is this guy crazy or what?

Mark, I don't trust any man who does not like Avril Lavigne. She is the hottest and cutest woman who has ever lived, by a factor of about 8,000.

And her music is not *as* bad as Britney Spears total pop stuff. At least she has guitars on stage (and in fact plays guitar, piano and drums a little bit).

She's gone really "pop" lately but I respect how she came out and was the anti-Britney and Christina in 1999 or so, and she's remained relevant.

Cool, hot chick.

holy sh#t, stop with the meaningless statistics already!!!

We didnt hire Tomlin because HE WAS A BLACK GUY

We have a great future. Sure its prob not gonna be tinker tape parades and balloons next year but we are building from within. That means these players that prove themselves now will be rewarded with good contracts down the road. That builds a team

There is nothing meaningless about getting the rock into the endzone for 6 points. Few people ever do that even once in the NFL.

In only a few years, on terrible teams, Ted Ginn did that quite a lot, actually. On that list are many guys who touched the ball and were on the team a ton more. Interesting list.

Tim, Avril's not my fit but hey man, too each their own. It takes all kinds man!!

At least, he has moved on from the Bwwaaaaaaaaaaaa to some unending statistics. Consider that,

So Tired, I don't remember any Coaches calling Jennings "Ankle Weights" Jennings. I don't remember the Giants' GM saying he had a bunch of 3,4, and 5 WRs on his team.

Wallace, Moore, Pruitt, Gates, these are NOT rookies. I'll give them all the time they like, but if you haven't been able to even show FLASHES, then how likely are you to be a gem?

Jennings was a 2nd round pick, so yeah, pretty highly-touted. Cruz (and Miles Austin for that matter) when finally GIVEN a chance showed they deserved to be starters almost instantly.

We don't have anyone on our roster currently who fit that mold. Maybe someone develops, just like Henne COULD HAVE developed into a good QB, Jerry COULD develop into a good lineman, Davis and Smith COULD develop into good CBs.

When you stop playing the woulda, coulda, shoulda game? Maybe when you haven't won a Playoff game in over a decade, ya think?


Mark it gives me great joy to know you took 'weeks' of amusement from my typo. I stil maintain that the opportunity to watch Hard Kocks is what cable TV is all about.

One more for you, and then I'm done: The Fins' alltime leading passer in rating is, of course.....Chad Pennington, with a 94 that blows away the competition.

Second on the list? Matt Moore at 87, ahead of Marino's 86.

Look it up.

Gary Stevens, just shut up! At least Ginn actually won games you moron.
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Oscar Weiner. What 'Ginn' are you talking about. Surely not the fine-familied-fellow who went 19-29 as a member of the Miami Dolphins? Perhaps you are talking about 'games' of scrable, cards or dice?

you know its an even sadder season when tedd ginn gets referenced on this blog for his accomplishments on this team, seriously, can we dig up some of cleo lemons stats while we're praising draft busts....jesus!!!

Mark, that's cool. I can't even tell you how much Avril is my fit. That tiny little hottie.....man oh man. Absofuckinglutely beautiful IMO.

Praising Ted Ginn is kind of like praising ghonorrea...

"all in all it's a pretty good STD...you know it could have been AIDS"

Cable TV? On Demand? I wouldn't pay a cent for that crap. I stick to Netflix and Hulu Plus.

Tedd Ginn may not have been a great receiver but like I said many times here, we have had a lot worse and he was a great weapon - just not a starting receiver. Where he was drafted- that was Cam Cameron and Randy Mueller humping the pooch.

He won three games against the jets. For that, I will never slag him.

Okay I will grant you that. That one Jets game Ginn was was pretty cool.

Perfection: https://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=691&q=avril+lavigne&oq=avril+la&gs_l=img.1.0.0l3j0i3j0l6.1186.2028.0.5304.8.8.0.0.0.0.94.530.8.8.0.eaqth..0.0...1.EeoGMcK9rUQ

Did anybody know that I have an autographed tedd ginn jersey next to my tim tebow football. U guys should come check it out.

""So Tired, I don't remember any Coaches calling Jennings "Ankle Weights" Jennings. I don't remember the Giants' GM saying he had a bunch of 3,4, and 5 WRs on his team.""

You don't hear it because they weren't on Hardknocks. Coaches say these things in the locker room...to themselves....constantly. They just don't let it get out. You think everyone was raving about Cruz or Austin before they blew it up in the regular season?

dc dolfan if we had a coach worth anything the last couple of years maybe these guys would have hit the field a lil earlier. Plus in my opinion we havent had a good quarterback till now. We will see once these yougsters get a chance

Mark is dead on balls accurate re: Ginn. Exactly what I've been saying.

I disagree with Mark's assessment of Avril Lavigne, who is a super hottie and I can't believe that tool from Nickelwackoff got to her before I got the chance to meet her.

yes on cruz, no on austin. cruz tore up pre season

Gary, check out the stats on Tedd Ginn that I recently posted here, much to the delight of many.

His #s are way up there on the all time lists, in just the short time he was here, ahead of many well known names one would think would be above him (e.g., Ferrell Edmunds). Especially if you count return yards and TDs (which is the end game), the dude contributed to the team more than MANY other guys.

Was he the greatest player in Fins' history? Of course not. Was he a bad pick at his draft slot? Perhaps. But he did contribute to this team while he was here way more than most, in the grand scheme of things.

I'm especially impressed by his SCORING. He's ahead of Brandon Marshall with probably less snaps. (yeah 5 on returns--that counts..he contributed that to the team). He's ahead of many guys who played thousands of snaps with Dan Marino (Kirby, Edmunds, all those FBs Marino threw to).

Oh I forgot, after his 4th year, Marino never completed a pass to a WR, only to FBs and the opposing team.

No surprise after last night's episode.

John Jerry is one lucky SOB that Steinbach was over the hill.

ted ginn is horrible, he couldnt even break into the niners wr rotation which was awful last few years

By the way, if Mando would give us an interesting topic, SUCH AS THE MYSTERY MAN D. THOMAS, I promise I'll stop talking about Ted Ginn.

Doesn't hurt those guys had legit QBs throwing to them. If we had Eli Manning I'm sure we wouldn't be b*tching about receivers because all of these guys with talent would be able to shine. When you have the likes of Matt Moore, Chad Henne, and all these other one year has-beens you receive poor play from everyone else. One legit QB, one winning season...coincidence?

Yeah I just went back and looked at Pennington's magical year. Man he really was amazing that year. 68% completion, like 4 INTs all year or something like that, against 19 TDs.

"We're still evaluating that position," coach Joe Philbin said. "We'll see ... I'm sure we'll be fine."

We'll be fine??? Then why was Steinbach even brought in. Jerry is still 25-30 pounds overweight.

Peyton Manning made a star out of Brandon Stokley. Haven't heard him do lick since he went to Denver. (which, by the way, EXTEMELY glad we didn't trade for Orton. He looks like garbage now)

RBs yeah I cringed at that quote too. Very Sparanoesque.

"Fine"?

Yeah if "fine" is horrible and 6-10.

That's not "fine."

Or we don't want to be "fine."

The super bowl contenders each year are better than fine.

Never surprised by Irelands incompetence , but cmon Braylon Edwards stinks!

Even if Football Geniuses, we want no as-holes around here.

they will find least 2 wrs during cuts from other teams that will come in right away and be better than most of the garbage here

Exactly.....we keep jerking off in irelands face about moves he didnt make........flynn orton edwards dez bryant.........right now im glad we dont have any of those guys. THANK YOU JEFF.....GOOD JOB

Also have to thank Cam Cameron for not drafting Brady Quinn; even if Ted Ginn was a horrible reach

AGREED MIAMID20

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