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Post-mortem after 2nd loss in 2nd preseason game

Worried about the Dolphins?

Well, it is not exactly time to push panic buttons. But it is time to identify where such buttons are located because another month of this stuff is going to be bad.

"We know we're better than what we've showed," Dolphins quarterback Matt Moore said after last night's 23-17 loss to Carolina, a game which wasn't as close as the score because the Panthers totally outplayed the Dolphins early when the starters were in the game.

"Yeah, we should be a little concerned."

This was a game that was supposed to give clarity to the Dolphins quarterback competition. It didn't. Coach Joe Philbin was asked if he'll be able to go through with his plan of naming a starter for next week and he seemed at a loss for an answer.

"I don't know that to be honest with you," he said. "I really don't."

Nobody was happy with their work. Ryan Tannehill wasn't.

"Obviously, it didn't go the way I wanted it to go but I was excited to ge out there, compete with the guys and I think it's a starting point," he said.


This also is true: As I wrote in my column Tannehill didn't get much help from anyone. Moore, meanwhile, failed to step up when he had the chance.

"We got a lot of work to do," Moore said. "You have to credit Carolina, they came out and played well. But we have a lot of stuff to work on."

The Dolphins ran the ball 12 times for 37 yards Friday night. Yet Philbin wasn't all that concerned about it. He said it has not been a point of emphasis. That's good. But maybe the Dolphins should start emphasizing it a bit.

Because the regular season is coming.

Check out Tannehill below in part of his post-game talk:


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I like Philbin too. Just that Ireland still has 100% control of personel decisions. Yes, Philbin can tell Ireland what kind of players he needs. But that doesnt mean Ireland and his crappy scouting department gets the players right.

With the drafting of Tannehill, at most this fo will have drafted only 3 impact players in 5yrs. Unfortunately the other two, Long/Pouncey, play on the offensive line. Thats absolutely terrible DC.

Ross is a RE genius but a football moron. And one cheap SOB.

If I were Ross, and this team sucked this year, I would know its time to definitely get rid of Ireland. I would hire a new gm and give Philbin 3yrs to right the ship 8under a new and proven GM. No more "ball boy" gm experiments in Miami.

no legit gm is gonna come in here if hes told he has to keep philbin

I'll be so glad when Ireland's gone if the team finishes miserably this year. Since Ireland's been here Ive heard the term "acorn" so much my ears are about to fall off and Im suddenly craving running up a tree or dancing on power pole lines.

and @ 12:31

I got a new fan. I thought u said u were going to watch ur horses.

I guess with ur condition U can't get the 3rd person thing down. It's Ok. Dashi will just have to School U in the Way of the Righteous, U "Scrawny Mosquito Fart"

you should've replaced philbin with ross bill, that wouldve been more believable...just sayin!!!

Bill connors,

Why are you blaming or belittling Philbin? He inherited this mess and Ireland is still 100% in control of incoming personel.

Every single draft Ireland boasts like a paper champion. Then reality of the regular season sets in. LOL

check out a great new phins blog by a phins fan at http://phinsnews.com/

Ireland has more busts then Dolly Parton.


not ripping philbin at all. i m excited to see what he can do. u said bring in new gm and have philbin get 8 years. most every gm wants to hire his own guy

LOL.....Isnt their five draftee's this year that might not even make the cut this year...I know ireland will do his best to keep them on the practice squad though...after all, if he had his way..Les Moore would be our starting TE this year...*lol*

Philbin is doing his job. It's still to young to Develop a Real Opinion on him. Wait until the Mid-Way point in the Season. If we don't have at least 2 wins by then. Yes, feel free to blast Away.

Again, I believe Ross Knows It's a Re-Build. He just knows U can't sell that to Fans. At least Put T-Hill out there now Since Expectations have been lowered.

ross suppose to be smart buisness man, he should know never to get close with the gm as far as being great friends. but he did and now hes screwed himself

check out a great new phins blog by a phins fan at http://phinsnews.com/


Usually its the other way around...most coaches dont come here without having their choice of GM, any GM to replace Irefiend will not care about who the coach is considering that they would be given control over their personal department and front office decision...the biggest obstacle would be how much the owner would have say in his final decisions...that could be the ultimate turn off for any GM..HC has very little to do with it!!!


All those players had one thing in common, they used their mouth to distract attention from their deteriorating playing skills. A player is the first to realize when their talents are failing them, and with certain personalities, they try to set up the blame somewhere else in advance. None of those players went on to make any worthwhile contribution elsewhere.

Now that Jeff Ireland can't scapegoat Parcells for his lousy personnel decisions, what is his next excuse? Bad coaching of his precious acorns?

Hey! Armando why are you so surprice about the Fins, we all know that this is a 6-10 team trying to get better for the 2014 season.

There was a report out there that not only didnt Ross put up a dime to buy the Dolphins but he actually got paid cash to buy them. Here's how it happened. During the financial debacle of 07-08 Ross obtained an interest free govt loan on a piece of real estate. He used that money to then purchase the Dolphins and then sold ownership stakes to unknowledgeable rich celebrities and pocketed the cash.

On good teams the best player starts. Under this fo the least worst player starts.

We only have at most 3 players who could start on a good nfl team. The rest of our starting players are 3rd string backups at most on good nfl teams.

But as some of you dolfans are now beginning to do, lets blame Philbin for that.



Venus and Serena are from LA. He probably promised them the team would soon be in LA to get them to buy in. LOL

YG, yup

Now you guys get to see why no credible hc wants to come here and work under Jeff Ireland. No Fisher, Cower, Gruden, etc...

Kris - Agree with you about Philbin getting more than just 3 years. Unfortunately,in today's NFL (Not For Long Thank you Glanville) and with this franchise on such shaky fan base footing 3 years is an eternity.

I am not sure that if Philbin doesn't show growth in the Wins / Loss column by year 3 that Ross could buy expensive enough ear protection to drown out the din of the angry fan base in Miami.

I tried to capture my desire for allowing the guy more like 5 years by saying at least 3 while acknowledging that in the real world the leashes, unfairly or not, aren't that long in the NFL.

Let's hope Philbin can walk on rice paper and grab the boiling cauldron with his forearms (those references date me, circa TV series Kung Fu...lol).


And after playing golf with RoboHenne(16 QB rating last nite), Ross declared Henne the 2nd coming of Dan Marino.....

As long as Ireland remains gm, in 2-3yrs, Philbin will be replacing Tony Sparano as Jets oc when he's fired about the same time. LOL

Or maybe Bill Belichick sees the real value and snatches him up instead.

Rob OC,

In today's nfl, no hc gets more than 3yrs to win. 3yrs is the new cutoff point. Teams now need smart owners who are able to determine if a team's losing ways is due to the hc or gm. If the talent's there its on the hc, if not, its on the gm.

Philbin wont be here next season whether he's a good coach or not. He is doomed with zero talent.

We only have at most 3 players who could start on a good nfl team.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone | August 19, 2012 at 01:23 PM

This is not true. Pouncey, Cogs, Long, Bush, Wake, Odrick, Starks, Soliai..... Why be negative for the sake of it?

Now you guys get to see why no credible hc wants to come here and work under Jeff Ireland. No Fisher, Cower, Gruden, etc...

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone | August 19, 2012 at 01:28 PM

Cowher and Gruden didn't take any other opportunity that has come up in years now, so again, that statement is not valid.

There are only 32 NFL HC positions on the planet, and you can be sure they are precious. Fisher had options, so he took the team with a franchise QB and a boat load of draft picks. Had their been another experienced coach seriously looking for work, I would not bet against them taking the Miami gig if offered to them.

In re-watching the game...

The Officials took that "You can call holding every play" mantra to new heights. I mean they were consistent in calling it all the time on both sides but games like that absolutely turn off any potential new NFL fan. I am sure they will have a huddle with their bosses and learn to let some go on both sides so as to balance enforcing with the flow of the game.

It matters not who starts at QB Tanny or Moore if the damn WR, TE, RBs don't catch the GD ball!!!!!!!! It is an atrocity how many drops the QBs had by the guys paid to grab it, hold on to it and take the hit! It was terribad. The sad thing is, if half of the drops were completed (and it should be more like 80%) the game would have been 180 degrees different.


Some people are so hell bent on being negative they contrive things to be negative about where there are none.

A bunch of college teams have more talent then the Dullfins.

Cam Wake, Jake Long, and Brandon Fields are the only guys that would start on most other teams.

I am surprised we collected so many receivers with questionable hands. Really. That should be the #1 thing you look for, then size, route running, speed, ect. But if you can't catch? You got nothing,

This is not true. Pouncey, Cogs, Long, Bush, Wake, Odrick, Starks, Soliai..... Why be negative for the sake of it?

Posted by: Clarence | August 19, 2012 at 01:46 PM

Pouncey, Wake, Long, That's it. Good teams not need qb's so T-hill's out of the question. Bush wasnt a starter in New Orleans and many still dont fully consider him an every down rb.

Starks wasnt aa starter until he came to Miami. He could be good at times but his consistency needs to be far better. Has he made a meaningful play this preseason?

Cognito couldnt pull a weak rubber band. He's actually, more the ideal backup olineman, rather than ideal starter. Tell me one og on the team that can even come close to challenging Cogs for the starting position.

Like I said earlier, most our starters are in place simply because least worst player wins the position. Cogs has never threatened to make anyone's pro bowl. Alternate or otherwise. Who write your material, Jeff Ireland?

You have not learned obviously that it is a team game and it takes everyone around you to make you better too. You can find flaws on 90% of the players on the very best teams, its how they use their strengths and avoid their weaknesses.

You can buy your argument, I don't. We have more than 3 players that can start on any team. You don't think Bush could start in GB or NE? You are in denial.

Clerence @ 1:55 PM,

As a dolfan, you should be more concerned about how we have collected such questionable talent on this entire roster. Not just recievers with questionable hands. LOL

A WR that can't catch is like a woman without a vuhgina.


Listen, wake up man. I may have said 3, but youre definitely hard pressed to name more than 5. Is Jeff Ireland related to you or something?

Cogs is a beast, his strengths outweigh his weaknesses. He'd start on any team.


You said 3. I responded to what you said. You wake up and say what you mean, not what you think you mean. Too many here exaggerate just to make their points sound more valid.

Cam Wake, Jake Long, and Brandon Fields are the only guys that would start on most other teams.


And none of them can score LOL

Clerence @ 2:00PM,

My point exactly! In Ireland great failed acorn experiment he adds to many plain average players with plain average players.

You can have 5 plain average players on both sides of the ball. But you better have 6 really good players on both sides of the ball too.

We sorely lack that in Miami. In Miami, for each 2-3 really good players on bothe sides of the ball, we have 8-9 plain average ones. Man please open your eyes.

Bleacher Report rated Pouncey as the 15th ranked center. YAWN.

Like Columbo...and one more ting...

I am not down on Moore either. Yeah he should have scored a few times on the back ups but JUST like turnovers and penalties kill drives...the aforementioned NON catches kill drives as well. He made what would have been some solid throws if the catchable grabs are made.

If the coaching staff feels like Tanny is still a little green around the gills, start the season with Moore for a 2-3 game window. Tell Moore "You are the seasoned vet, you have had a whole camp to learn the installs and I know your not a practice player per say you're a gamer". "Go earn your keep as you did last year". "By the way, if you lose any two in a row, your sitting". (that last zinger is the pressure cooker!)

This would accomplish 3 things...

1.) Give the vet Moore a chance to re-establish some of the magic he brought at the end of last year. Unlike many, I still feel he earned it last year. How will you know if they don't try him?

2.) Give the coaches a birds-eye view of exactly how good or bad our OL is with real bullets flying! Then they can decide if Tanny would need a suit of armor or not.

3.) It would also appease those (coaches, pundits, fans) that swear by the whole "You must hold a clipboard or be forever scarred and broken" folks. (*Obvious sarcasm, I am not a believer in that motto)

A case can be made either way but as a recent blog points out with real factual data...it doesn't seem to matter much whether you play from day one or not as to your QB career success. The numbers are very similar either way dating back to the Aikman days.

This would give Moore one last chance as the incumbent vet QB to keep the many wolves from labeling him a career back-up (Too late for some). It would also serve to give Tanny a chance to see things in real time, during games that count with all the "other" preparation they don't use during the preseason.

If Moore somehow wins (which is the ONLY thing that matters in the bottom line NFL) then he keeps his job and wins the fans and more support. If he loses two consecutive games, the season would not be lost, he would have had a completely fair shake and the Tanny era will begin.

As a side note... if they start Tanny then they will be sending the message that this guy is without doubt better than Moore. I can easily live with that as well. You don't get a lot of time in the NFL if you are not winning. Using your free first year pass (except in Cameron's case) to start the rook and baptize by fire is another route and is viable in today's NFL.


Bill @ 2;07,

Exactly! And they dont tackle, cover, or sack qb's neither.

Watching the Texans on NFL network we have no chance of beating them in the regular season game. Schawab will dissect the secondary and Foster will run right through the d line. Score prediction
Texans 38 Dolfins 10


We might have 2-3 players max that would start for the Pats, Packers, Steelers, Saints. Those kind of things. You really cant count a punter as starter. He only looses his job if he's absolutely horrible. He doesnt really gets beat out he gets fired. Real starters usually get demoted.

Pouncey was responsible for at least 3 fumbles(bad snaps) last year. He's had trouble at center especially in the shotgun.


38-10, is that what they're predicting the halftime score to be? Judging by our preseason look, The Texans should easily put up 76 pts(2 * 38pts).


No coach wants to start a QB and then have to pull him in a few games. It is far easier to start Tannehill and keep him there unless he just looks out of his league, then bring in the back up if necessary. Once anyone starts other than Tannehill, it becomes a bigger issue to pull him, not just for the coaches decision, but its a big deal on the players around the QB too. It's upheaval. Not a wise plan.

The question to me isn't who is better right this minute, its do they see any scenario that Moore can really be a long term starter here, and if not, lets not waste more time with another short term QB.


I keep tellig you guys T=hill's a former wr. he should be able to "CATCH" many of Pouncey's bad snaps. No more excuses.


Ireland has never in his life drafted a decent playmaker.


You might want to rethink your statement. The pats had the 32nd ranked D last year, ours was ranked in the top ten. Any logical person would conclude we have more than a few better players than they did.

D Thomas has -1 yd rushing this preseason. YIKES!

texans can score 49 if they want

Clarence have you watched the D this pre season they look absolutely horrendous I don't even think we registered a sack from anyone on the D Line in 2 preseason games. Odrick is a tweensr not big enough to be a DT not quick and agile enough to be a DE.

BTW anyone watch Moss in preseason he instantley would be our best WR why didn't Ireland look to sign him? This team is full of scrubs galore. Can't take much more of this

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