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The difference between Colts, Dolphins

The Dolphins and Colts are similar in many respects in that both are rebuilding this year after a difficult 2011. The Dolphins have a new coach. The Colts have a new coach. The Dolphins are going with a rookie first-round quarterback. The Colts are going with a rookie first-round quarterback.

But the manner in which they are approaching this year is obviously different and that difference showed clearly in the trade that yesterday sent cornerback Vontae Davis from Miami to Indianapolis.

The truth is the Colts until Sunday had a major hole at one of their cornerback spots. It was as big as the hole the Dolphins have at, say, wide receiver.

But unlike the Dolphins who have this offseason addressed the wide receiver need on the cheap with low-round draftees and signing a has-been and troubled veteran in Chad Johnson, the Colts went more aggressive.

The Colts began shopping for ways to address their need. Early last week the team began searching for a way to plug that leaky hole in the defense. And knowing that Vontae Davis had lost his starting job in Miami, the Colts called asking to acquire him.

The Colts' first offer was a sixth-round pick.

Miami general manager Jeff Ireland, who had not been shopping Davis, told the Colts he was not interested.

By Thursday, the offer was improved to a fifth-round pick. Ireland still had no interest in that price for a player he views as troubled but still worthy of keeping  given his age, ability, relatively cheap cost and the first-round investment he had in Davis.

So the Colts let that sit for a while.

And Saturday the Colts came back again -- this time offering a third-round pick for Davis. I have to give Indianapolis GM Ryan Grigson credit for persistence. He latched on to the idea of getting Davis like a pitbull locks down on a steak and didn't let go. And, of course, while he was showing little interest in the offers, Miami GM Jeff Ireland was not saying, "Stop calling me!"

Ireland was open to the idea of trading Davis, but at a price he wanted. That goes back to the Bill Parcells school of thought that "Everybody is on the trade block all the time." (For the right price).

The third-round offer got Ireland's attention in that serious, serious negotiations began to take place between the teams. The Colts were finally in the ballpark but Ireland wanted more. And the fact they were in the ballpark encouraged the Colts they might be able to solve their gaping defensive problem. It also encouraged Ireland that he could get a premium draft pick in this deal.

It was sometime late Saturday or early Sunday when Grigson came back with the second-round offer. The offer put Ireland on the hook but to reel him in, Grigson had to add the conditional sixth-rounder that he ultimately included in the deal.

Although he will never say it, Ireland obviously believes the Colts to be rebuilding and is banking on them having a high pick in next year's draft so, in his mind, he's not just getting a No. 2 but potentially a high No. 2. Grigson, meanwhile, sees that his draft picks will be a lot lower now that he's got a set of corners he's happy about to play games in this pass-happy league. He believes Colts coach Chuck Pagano can get major production out of Davis that obviously Joe Philbin and his staff didn't think they could get. And he believes he can compete and win a lot of games this year, particularly with the Davis addition.

One more thing: It doesn't bother Grigson that Davis has been dogged by "character" issues that include drinking. He believes the 24-year-old can be molded and will mature.

The Dolphins?

Publicly, they're saying all the right things about not giving up and not being diminished by this trade even though it is not arguable that they are not as good right now, today, as they were before they traded Davis on Sunday.

A lockdown cornerback is simply hard to find in today's NFL.

But the Dolphins have added valuable "ammunition," as Ireland called it and that can be used to address other issues in the future. Yes, I said the future. The truth is that while many fans have the expectation that the Dolphins are going to turn around and use their shiny, new second-round pick on a wide receiver (Miami's biggest hole now) in time for this season, I have serious doubts about that.

I think it's more likely the Dolphins have set themselves up for using that pick or packaging that pick in next year's draft to fill whatever needs this season proves the Dolphins have.

If it plays out that way, count that as a significant difference between the Dolphins and Colts. The Colts gambled and tried to get better on the fly by making a trade now -- even if it means chasing down a trade partner and giving up a second-rounder. The Dolphins would be taking a more careful approach, waiting until next April to use the pick they just acquired.

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Posted by: We Have RB's | August 27, 2012 at 01:07 PM

I disagree with you there, maybe I'm overly optimistic but I think all it takes is a quarterback to fix a franchise, I don't think the coach, GM, or owner matter.

Thompson may be a genius but not because of all those "overachieving" draft picks, offense and defense, who wouldn't be what they are without Aaron Rogers.

Thompson is a genius because he had a hall of fame quarterback and drafted his replacement in the first round, then two more rookie QBs that same draft. And now just like all those other "genius" GMs with star quarterbacks (and look at what that "genius" Polian left behind when Manning left) he has the Midas touch.

I hate Jeff Ireland but nothing would make me happier than for Tannehill to give him the Midas touch. Unfortunately, just going by the numbers, that's unlikely. But we can hope.

The Philbin strategy is to play games without talented players..we all should have caught on sooner when he said way back in February that he did not need a number one wide receiver!?!

Doomed Dolphins

We traded away Brandon marshall why didnt we go after Vincent jackson, we needed to upgrade the TE position since 2008 why didnt we go after Kellen Winslow Jr? Reason 1003 Ireland should be fired, cheap SOB

Posted by: Jeffrow | August 27, 2012 at 01:10 PM

That's just retarded, never mind Odrick underachieving and looking very mediocre yet again this year - Dez Bryant is a star, Brian Hartline would be the fourth best receiver on any other team.

Wouldn't give up a 7th rounder for Kellen Winslow Jr.

Jeffy thinks highly of his acorn hunting abilities.

They're going to sign Plaxico MONTHS too late.

We can play with all rookies, who needs vets???

Dansby and Bush want to go to a real team.

"Kris you are right about Dez Bryant.

Just maybe Jeff Ireland's (still tasteless) question was triggered by a the 'troublemaker' vibe that Bryant was giving off.

We have so much fun making fun of Ireland's boneheaded decisions that we don't give him credit for the even more boneheaded decisions that he has avoided -- decisions that were nonetheless taken by 'football geniuses' such as Pete Carroll and Jerry Jones."

Bryant is a mess & Jerry Jones is an idiot BUT as for Seattle I don't think signing Flynn was a boneheaded decision. The Seahawks had the cap space to do it & we didn't. BTW--Matt Flynn is not a bust or a mistake like Kevin Kolb. He's a pretty good QB just not as dynamic of an athlete as Russell Wilson is. If Wilson gets hurt or struggles they have a heck of a back-up. Agreed??? And if Wilson thrives they can cut ties with Flynn very easily which was the case with the Cardinals & Kolb. The Cardinals CHOOSE to pay him another $7 or 8 million for this season.

It is difficult to criticize what Pete Carroll has done going into his 3rd season considering that they have a TON of more talent on that team then we do.

Jed...thats funny....

don't thnk its true...but its funny...

Bryant has three times as many touchdowns as Hartline in a season less of play.

Ireland wants a bunch of Uncle Toms on the team, any black player who doesnt bow down to his rules are instantley cut or traded.


Ireland: "What the fock you doing N word?"

"Attitude" black player: "Im sorry suh, I sure wont do it again massa, please forgive me"

Ireland: "Im about to cut your black a**!

In 10 years we'll bring back Pat Turner.

We can bring in Plaxico and Stallworth on the cheap and give TannyHill someone to throw to and give the fans something to cheer about but noooooo. We would rather have guys that can't catch and screw the fans.

"Ireland wants a bunch of Uncle Toms on the team, any black player who doesnt bow down to his rules are instantley cut or traded.

Ireland: "What the fock you doing N word?"

"Attitude" black player: "Im sorry suh, I sure wont do it again massa, please forgive me"

Ireland: "Im about to cut your black a**!"

STFU,

Congratulations. You're a bigger moron than Ireland is.

Why does Ireland get rid of all the black talent?

We can bring in Plaxico and Stallworth on the cheap and give TannyHill someone to throw to and give the fans something to cheer about but noooooo. We would rather have guys that can't catch and screw the fans.

Joes,

Two high character guys right??? Not going to happen. Next.

DD,

From earlier....

I just want to make certain I understand your point about Jake Long. You used the Jets as an exapmle of a team that struggles despite having three Pro Bowlers on their offensive line. But isn't a bit part of their problem there the fact that they tied their future to Sanchez and he's just not that good. On top of that they've lost some playmakers on offence and their team is getting older....and Rex's messge is likely getting old. Wouldn't they be a better team with a better QB and more help on offence?

I guess what I'm saying, why would we have to give up the only sure thing we have on this team, just so that we can fill holes other places? Seems to me you'd want a LT who can protect the prized QB. If this team could hit more often than miss they'd be just fine, no?

Hopefully we can get another Michael Egnew type player with the pick.

Hard Knocks has exposed what a dufus Philbin really is...The entire Dolphin nation is going to suffer hard knocks due to a white bread coach who wants boring football players who don't cuss over players with talent and fire in them to excel.

Michael Egnew! haha

That's just retarded, never mind Odrick underachieving and looking very mediocre yet again this year - Dez Bryant is a star, Brian Hartline would be the fourth best receiver on any other team.

Posted by: Cual?

Dez bryant is a star? says who? the media? hartline had more yard than him his first 2 seasons .. get over your man crush ..lol

Posted by: Craig M | August 27, 2012 at 01:25 PM

Same reason they got rid of the most talented player on the team, then his replacement (who was also the best receiver on the team at the time) and then the best cornerback on the team.

They are idiots.

Why bring in talent and help?? I will still be coaching the Los Angeles Fins next year.

B. hartline could get 1000 yards having Romo throw to him ... I'm telling you all ill's are fixed by good q/b play .. it will make any W/r look good

Why does Ireland get rid of all the black talent?

Posted by: Hmmm | August 27, 2012 at 01:23 PM

I don't know Home, why does he?

Why does Ireland get rid of all the black talent?

Posted by: Hmmm

cause the black talent is the only people that other teams will trade for ;)

Posted by: Jeffrow | August 27, 2012 at 01:31 PM

Uh, no he doesn't. Past two years:

Hartline - 78 rec, 1,164 yds, 2 TDs.

Bryant - 108 rec, 1,489, 15 TDs.

Get real.

Pruitt is gone.

Dez Bryant a star? Guy beats up his mother, needs 3 security guards to babysit him now and hasn't produced much yet but for some reason we think we would be better with him.
And I guess we'd be better off as well with Matt Flynn as our QB and Orton backing him up like some fans wanted

15 touchdowns in two seasons.

Yes. We would be much better with him.

Uh, no he doesn't. Past two years:

Hartline - 78 rec, 1,164 yds, 2 TDs.

Bryant - 108 rec, 1,489, 15 TDs.

Get real.

Posted by: Cual?

pretty close in receiving yards right!? ... and look Hartline didnt have a good q/b throwing to him ... My point being if you have a good q/b all them problems are solved. Hartline could of easily put up them numbers with Romo throwing to him ... wake up

As much as I would like to see the Phins come out hard thus year the fact is they dont have the horses. This team is bereft of talent or saddled with attitudes that don't comport with Philbins. Ireland must take some of the heat for this but it is also resididual from Sparanos regime. The Davis trade does not worry me too much but they better make hay with these picks or he's gone too. Note credit to Ireland for begging off on Flynn, D Bryant, v Davis, and b marsh...they brought nothing to the party.

15 touchdowns.

To two.

No, these players aren't close. Bryant wouldn't be Hartline here. Hartline wouldn't be Bryant there.

Dashi........dude! You come off like an incompotent moron. Everyone is dumber after trying to read the junk you post.

Do everyone a favor & just stfu already!

Davis is hardly a shut down corner...he had 3 picks last year and when he was out the defense actually played better. Not saying it was the right move but let's call it what it is... he didn't make us any better or worse on defense.

pancan..................FOR ANY PLAYER TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE PRATY ,THEY SHOULD FEEL SECURE WITH THE TEAM ,BUT WITH OUR GARAGE MANAGER ,THEY NEVER FEEL SECURE AND NEVER TRUST HIMB/C HE HAS HIS OWN AGENDA,,,,,

15 touchdowns.

To two.

No, these players aren't close. Bryant wouldn't be Hartline here. Hartline wouldn't be Bryant there.

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read what i said! d. bryant wouldn't have them many TD's if he was on are team ... because we didnt have a Q/B to get him the ball in the endzone.. not to mention we had SAPRANO.... it all comes down to the q/b ... wake up

Garage manager....

new material please....

Aloco...you are the Parrot of the blog...cause you ALWAYS say the same thing....

our team* correction

why don we just trade all our good players for a bunch of chior boys

If it was me I would of kept Marshall, bring TO in, Sign Braylon Edwards and Moss. No one wouldbt be beaching about the WR core. Also bring in Plaxico as a number 5 WR. This would of been the best WR core in the history of football. Anyone agree?

I must have missed it....how did Dez Bryant make the Cowboys better in the win column over the last couple of years? Weren't they like 6-10 last year? Yeah he definitely would have make this team better in the win/loss column.....no question....LOL.

78 rec. for hartline, to 108 for bryant..... saprano not willing to let his q/b throw it in the end zone, Mr. field goal fist pumb!!! .... Yeah they are the same players

Shutdown Corner????

Bwahahahaha!

If by shutdown you mean standing with his hands on his hips looking at the rest of the secondary with that sh*tty what happened face?

Go Philbin!

OK KRIS,


WE WILL WIN (( 11 ))GAMES THIS COMING SEASON,,,,

Are you people kidding me?

Cowboys only won 8 games last year so none of their players could possibly help the Dolphins.

Tony Romo, DeMarco Murray, Dez Bryant, Mike Jenkins, DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears - none of those players are any better than the players the Dolphins have.

They only won 8 games.

It takes a serious amount of delusion to work yourself up to that kind of logic.

CRAIG M,,,,,,,,,,,,,, YOU R USING THE FAMOUS........(( LOL ))...........'


HOW COME ?

Dearest Craig M,

Please keep educating our children with your know-it-all attitude. It NEVER get's old.

I don't know how you find the time or energy to put on the same routine everyday. ALL FOR US!

Thank you! We are lucky to have you to put us in our place. You are all knowing & most gracious to spend your free time lecturing a football blog.

I may faint at your feet like an Obama zombie.

Respectfully yours,

I must have missed it....how did Dez Bryant make the Cowboys better in the win column over the last couple of years? Weren't they like 6-10 last year? Yeah he definitely would have make this team better in the win/loss column.....no question....LOL.

Posted by: Craig M

exactly Craig ... he thinks by having Bryant we would of been a better team ... again it all about the q/b .. Dez has ok stats because he has a q/b and a offensive system that was willing to get him the ball

Detroit Lions lost their division and got bounced in the first round of the playoffs.

How did Calvin Johnson make the Lions better in the win column? Yea he definitely would make the Dolphins better, LOLZZZZZ!

an experienced coach,GM would be able to get these vets (vontae and marshall) to tow the line by using psychology. are we going to sign and cut guys because we fail in developing them on and off the field?? we will never have a team built if we keep lopping off our best guys. these guys are young and need to understand what is acceptable. we made them heroes too early. good teachers mold unruly students into fine men.

THE PARROT....

THE THE PARAKEET....

THE OLD JOKES....

Cual?,

This isn't fantasy football. Dez Bryant is NOT Megatron....not even close. Even his biggest backer Jerry Jones is starting to criticize him publicly as saying he takes plays off and isn't doing it when they need him most.

But keep telling yourself what you want....I'm sure you're right.

anyone who calls draft day or saving that 2nd rounder for draft day a more carefull approach is not thinking clearly, draft day is nothing but high stake gambling for billionare owners. the colts are not being any more reckless then miami is being careful. mando, you said it , not me... pat white, chad henne, phillup merling... and how about all those first round busts we had.. yatil green, john avery...using draft picks for trades that net you a prooven talent, one that has visible pro history and tape, is as close as one can get to a sure thing, the catch here is not to trade for a player with baggage thinking the coaches can fix it(that doesn't happen, unless your the patriots, then again ochostinko could not be molded by belicheat, so what were we thinking). we trade for marshall, we knew the baggage he had and yet we made the deal. all i'm saying is that using a draft pick in a trade IS better then the draft as long as you do your homework. the colts had the right idea, using a pick to get a talented player, but they fell for the same trap that a lot of teams are victimized by, and that is- thinking that THEY can fix the problem that another could not. so as long as the player is equal or better then the value of the pick traded, as long as that player does NOT possess what some might consider a fixable flaw, then the use of that pick in a trade is as low risk as it gets. we knew marshall had some attitude problems, and thats what we got, we knew ochostinko was the same, and thats what we got, MIKE WALLACE has no baggage, he is just expensive, we know how to use reggie effectively(the passing game), but play after play we use him as our starting tailback, and hope that he can get the tough yards, kind of like hoping ochostinko would finally grow up. daniel thomas looks primed to get those tough yards. why gamble that 2nd rounder in that draft when you have the ability to take the gamble out of it by using that pick in a trade for a prooven deep threat with no baggage...why?

Not for nothing Craig M but if you don't believe that a huge red zone threat who collects 15 touchdowns in his first two seasons, a guy who puts 7 on the board instead of 3, makes a team better then you don't have any business spending so much time talking on a football blog.

And then I would have signed Marino, Mean Joe Greene, Sam Madison and called it a day.

KRIS...OUR GARAGE MANAGER.......

OUR KORN BEEF COACH ..


THE BABY DC COACH......

AND THE.......(( 11 WINS )).........

OUR CORN BEEF

don't kid yourself. trading Davis had as much to do with salary cap flexibility as it did with getting an extra draft pick because despite not having any game changers on the roster Ireland has not only grossly mismanaged the plater decisions he's also completely screwed the pooch financially. this was a panic move because he realized that if he doesn't resign Jake Long and/or Reggie Bush before they hit FA that the fans who are left might storm the gates of the training facility rather than just picket outside them. You can pick up Ireland's new book "How I made billionaire Stephen Ross my personal hand puppet" at Barnes & Noble.

KRIS...THE OLD JOKES ARE THE BEST......

OLD COMEDY MOVIES ARE WAY BETTER THAN THE NEW LOUSY MOVIES ..........

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