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The differences between Chad Johnson and Brandon Marshall

Chad Johnson, who made a big deal about enjoying new freedom with the Dolphins after being muzzled in New England last season, today walked past the media and announced, "I don't do media anymore."

The change is obviously tied to Johnson's issue with coach Joe Philbin this camp in which the coach was displeased with Johnson's language and the way he represented the organization in his one press conference since joining the team.

The displeasure was on full display Tuesday night on Hard Knocks -- with a little career chat from Philbin as well as the advancing of the idea that Johnson will have to tow the line or be in danger of getting cut.

So there's that. Chad Johnson is being his usual enigmatic self and there is backwash from it. And that leads me to this: On more than one occasion since camp started I've had people suggest to me the Dolphins this offseason basically traded one problem child for another when they traded Brandon Marshall and signed Chad Johnson. That idea seems to have gained traction following Johnson's bizarre opening press conference and particularly following the airing of last night's Hard Knocks premier.

But let me share with you what I've been told by people with the team.

They don't see Johnson and Marshall as identical or even remotely similar.

The Dolphins believed, at the end, that Brandon Marshall was trouble to have on the team. They had grown weary of his ways. And the idea that he was a distraction was the least of the many, many concerns they had about Marshall.

Johnson?

He's something of a flake. A clown. A cut-up. He needs to clean up his language because, as coach Joe Philbin says, he's representing the team and this team wants to be represented in a certain fashion. But is Johnson dangerous? Is he going to get into violent disputes, either with people or family?

That's not been his history so far.

The truth about Marshall, whom I liked by the way, is that police were not just called to his house the one time his wife stabbed him. There was a long history of problems at the Marshall house. I'm told cops were called at least half-a-dozen times we didn't know about in addition to the stabbing incident that made headlines.

Marshall was also problematic among teammates. On more than a couple of occasions, I'm told Marshall totally lost it on the sideline and would yell at teammates or coaches or both. It got to the point, I'm told, nobody would go near Marshall. And this is in addition to the torment I'm told he heaped upon his quarterbacks, particularly Chad Henne.

Obviously, this is all second-hand and I'm certain Marshall would have a different version of these stories. So I give him that and so should you. But the things multiple people have told me about him paint a picture of a problem child that didn't seem headed in the right direction.

Combine this with good but not great results on the field -- remember he dropped a handful of TD passes last year -- and you can understand why Miami felt the need to trade Marshall.

Johnson?

If he's true to his history, he won't be getting arrested. Cops won't be showing up at his house responding to violent domestic disputes.

He may, however, wear on some teammates, as he did in Cincinnati. He may be something of a diva, as he was once he started producing. And he may not always be consistent in his performance, as evidence by his last year with the Bengals and last year in New England.

It should be said that Marshall today is probably a better player than Johnson. On the other hand, Johnson may be less of a problem child than Marshall, particularly when it comes to legal matters. The Dolphins will soon find out if Johnson, like Marshall, becomes a distraction or an embarrassment to the organization -- an issue for which Philbin may not have a lot of patience.

"There's a certain way, again, we want everybody to be themselves. I don't want everybody to be Joe Philbin," Philbin said today. "Everybody's different. We want to let guys be themselves. However, we think everybody has an obligation to get on board with the program. I told Mr. Ross we were going to have men that represented themselves in the right way on and off the field. And that's important to me. It's importnat to our staff. I believe it's important to our owner that we do things the right way.

"Again, I'm not going to sit here and say I've never cursed or used an inappropriate comment. I'm sure I have. There might have been some on the show because sometimes on the field I do ... It's important to all of us. I really believe that.

"We're not going to be a great football team if we've got 51 guys doing things a certain way and maybe two guys who are on their own program. It's too hard. It's too tough. We have to have guys that think the same way and whose brains think the same way about football. They can act different and dress differently. But they all kind of have to think the same. They have to buy in. If someone doesn't want to buy into the program, that's a problem." 

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Where did you see an incompetent circus, I sure didn't, are you an idiot. After seeing some of your post............I think so.
Posted by: mike | August 08, 2012 at 07:46 AM

Mikey, Odin was more then likely Drunk, As he is 97% of the time.

Kris, marshall, Hall of famer? How can you put a guy who hasn't played in a playoff game or had any rather spectacular individual seasons in the hall?

it's the hall of fame, not the hall of pretty good but not elite.

last year i read half of you say Marshall is an excellent number 2 but not a number one. Now that he's gone, he's a beast, a hall of famer ... holy moly. he barely broke 1,000 yards receiving here.

I don't know about cj's present talent, but if he follows the mold of these kids from Miami, then he's tough as all hell. Worth keepin around if only for that.

Cocoa joe,

Chad Johson's a far cheaper headache. I think Jonhson's only a iyr $1 million headache. Marshall still had 3yr left at about $5million a year.

I think Chad's a 1yr stopgap. 2013, I believe we go wr 1st or 2nd rd.

Jason,

You call Armando a 'clown' and say he 'has no real inside information' and yet I see you here quite a bit. What gives man? Should you be somewhere else?

Kris, I'll take that bet with you that Marshall doesn't make it to the Hall of Fame. Very good receiver but he's toxic and his act is going to wear out before he does. If Cris Carter and Tim Brown and Andre Reed aren't yet in the Hall of Fame, no way Marshall ever makes it there. He'll have a very year in Chicago this year and then he'll start to wear on the team and management there. Give it a couple of years and he'll be bouncing around the league like Owens is now. Marshall a good, maybe even very good player. That doesn't get you in the Hall of Fame.

I'm sure all the 'can't believe Ireland got rid of Pro Bowl Marshall for two 3rd round picks' guys won't have wanted to read your comments, Armando (not directed at you at all, Kris but rather others).

Brandon Marshall's headed for the hall of shame far faster than he's headed for the hall of fame. Put your money on that.

marshall a hof, hilarious long way to go to even come close to cj stats. marshall 494 catches, 6247 yards, 34 tds cj= 766 catches, 11059 yards, 67 tds what a stupid post

cocoajoe,

Really good post at 12:13pm. I agree with many of your points.

At this stage of their careers Marshall is a better receiver. CJ was pretty effective for a number of years in Cinci and was probably a top five receiver.

Armandos done a good job talking about the differences between these two guys. One guy is a clown but harmless. The other guy is toxic and we are hearing now that he wasn't even liked by some teammates. Seems to be not the type of guy Philbin would want on the team. Chad, as long as he doesn't do stuff to embarrass the team should be just fine with Philbin.

I SEE THAT DB/YG/FB IS AT IT EARLEY, YG,YUO LOOKING TO BEAT THE GREAT ODINS POSTING OF 36 STREIGHT HOURS?
TELL US WHAT YOU EAT FOR LUNCH TODAY

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Johnson is a clown he likes having fun, I don't see anything wrong with that. Marshall was an attitude problem that acted like a spoiled brat if things didn't go his way. Two completely different people different personalities. The league is going to have a bigger problem with Johnson then the actual team. Goodell has a problem with people having fun it seems

For anyone to say that Philbin doesn't have control of this team is a joke!!

Watching Hard Knocks can determine that!!

Grow Up!!

The only thing that I have seen is a coaching staff that is calling it like they see it. You don;t perform in practice, you don't play!!

Can we watch the Tampa Bay game on Friday before going crazy!

Kris,

Looks like Mark was thinking along the same lines as me with regard to Marshall.....he just said it better than me. 100 catches a year, while very impressive, does not automatically get you into the Hall of Fame. You need to be 'special' and I'm not sure Marshall is. Too many dropped balls at key times in the game, too many run ins with teammates and off-field stuff will ultimately be the reason Marshall doesn't make it. It's probably not entirely fair that off-field stuff comes into consideration but it does. Unless he really picks it up he's not a Hall of Famer in my book. Marvin Harrison is another guy who should be in long ahead of Marshall and probably the guy with the Rams too....blanking now.

Torey Holt I think is the guy I was thinking of from the Rams. You could probably make a pretty good case for Issac Bruce too. And T.O. will get in at some point too. So to me, part of the problem is also the fact that there are more deserving candidates to get into the Hall than Marshall.

I think its safe to say Don Shula would NEVER sign Ochocinco.

Posted by: Fins Stink | August 08, 2012 at 10:58 AM

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It's safe to say Don Shula signed such players as Chuck Muncie (who immediately tested positive for coke), Hollywood Henderson (who by his own admission was a complete cokehead during his time with the Dolphins), Brian Sochia (who was a vocally racist nutjob who took firearms into the lockerroom), Gene Atkins (a violent psychopath who was arrested for attempting to firebomb a business) and MULTIPLE other head cases, drug addicts, wife beaters, etc.

I revere Shula, but this notion he only employed stand up guys of great character is COMPLETELY false and always was.

WASNT CHAD JONSON ON OLYPIC BOBSLIDDING TEAM?

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Forget Chad. He is what he is. The most interesting part (& not really surprising) of 'Hard Knocks' is Vontae Davis. His immaturity & lack of conditioning was on display last season. The coaching staff seemed to be higher on Smith & I'm just glad that one of these guys finally gets it since they were both HUGE disappointments last year.

I believe that the last coaching staff must have been too soft on Vontae & Smith & I love that Philbin is out in front saying that the way Davis goes about things is not going to work. Vontae was a draft pick that had enormous talent & upside but he still hasn't developed into a consistent performer. I don't think it's a stretch that other GM's had these same character & work ethic concerns which accounted for Vontae's slide in the draft. In retrospect he was not a great pick & when you factor in that he was taken ahead of Clay Matthews who is a high character, high motor guy with an unbelievable pedigree it's hard to believe that Parcells made this choice.

In short--I believe that Philbin will do a MUCH better job than Sparano over the next 3-4 years. He understands the up tempo nature of today's NFL, he won't stand for bullsh#t, & he drafted a QB with NFL skills. Tannehill may not got his shot this year but make no mistake about it this kid has a chance to be a good one.

I don't know what I was thinking when I thought that we blew it by taking him.....

Do you old Chinese women post here all the time?

I can picture you with your hunchbacks, tending to a pot of cabbage soup, herding the pigs in the yard, and sweeping up your humble, rural cottages.

"I have to admit that Philbin did come off rather mild mannered last night. Doesn't necessarily mean he can't take care of business...guess we'll see."

Joe,

I thought he came off as totally in control, level headed, & not willing to put with excuses or bullsh#t.

BTW--Unlike Sparano, Philbin is a REAL O-line guy & it was a VERY good sign that he & Ireland may have solved the RT position with Jonathan Martin. With Philbin as HC I highly doubt the O-line will struggle like it did in years past.

Philbin is calm, intelligent, calculating and well spoken. He has said his assistants will do the yelling and the depth chart will do the telling. That does not make him weak.
I suppose that screaming and cursing [Ryan] at players that could whip his ass at any time makes him strong?
I'll take Philbin

Much rather have the intellectual, thoughtful type coach than the fiery, rah rah lunkhead.

The Dolphins were defined as a SMART franchise for decades. That is our identity. It's time we return to it.

DAVE S, HAVE YOU SEEN DOLPINS THE LAST 15 YEARS?
NOT ONE INTELEGENT MOVE IN 15 YEAR.

(BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE)

Seems to me we beat the hated Jersey Jets last year and sent em home to their couches. Get a grip you numbnuts in here. Marshall was a cancer and had to go, we shall see about Ocho Stinko soon enough. As for Philbin let's give him a shot, he can't be any worse than Cam Cameron or Dave Wannstedt. Why I stopped going into South Fla, too many scumbag Nyorkers living there now. Take I-95 NORTH I say...and pack the car full of you dirtbags.

Aloco you retarded MOFO!

Chad Johnson will do just fine. I mean hey, he's a WR, and all WR's need to have an oversized ego or they wouldn't be great receivers. At least he dosn't beat up on the weak and small off the field like Marshall and Vick. I'm curious how many fans of the NFL's most pathetic team, The New York Jets, post comments here. Any team that is so desperate that they turn to Tebow as QB insurance is surely a sad, sad team. At least the Phins have been to 5 Super Bowls and won two. That's twice as many wins and 5 times as many appearances as those Jokers from the Jersey Shore (that's right, the Jets ain't from NY)

Mark and Craig M. respectively....

T.O. is going to the HOF....Curtis Martin was just inducted this past weekend....Randy Moss is a sure-fire HOF....

None of the above mentioned had stellar post-season carreers...Ever heard of Barry Sanders...

If Marshall broke his leg tommrow...then NO...he woudn't go to the HOF....but if he plays another 5-8 years...I donn't think its a STRETCH to project him as a HOFer @ his current pace.....

FOOTBALL SHOULD BE LIKE BASEBALL WHERE THEY ONLY INDUCT 1 PLAYER A YEAR FOR HOF,UNLIKE FOOTBALL WERE THEY SELECT6 OR 9 PLAYERS A YEAR
EVEN ARMANDO MIGHT GET ABDUCTED INTO HOF ONE DAY,THEY EVEN ABDUCT SPORT WRITERS.
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It is captain obvious why Marshall is not here anymore, you can be a fan of him and that is cool, but to blame this organization for why he is not here, or Chad Henne is ignorant.

He was not a fit here, did not want to be here no matter who was QB, painfully obvious. Philbin did not want him, I agree, and respect that opinion.

Kris, he has Hall of fame numbers as far as averages go, but if he plays 5 more years with the same distractions off the field and gets himself labeled as a problem on and off the field. He will not get in the HOF without a SB.

Just my opinion.

EVEN ARMANDO MIGHT GET ABDUCTED INTO HOF ONE DAY,THEY EVEN ABDUCT SPORT WRITERS.
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Posted by: ALoco. | August 08, 2012 at 01:45 P

Pure Comic Genious.

Marshall played with arguably the worst starting QB in NFL history....and were down playing Marshall....c'mon man....

marshall wont sniff the hof

Kris, WORST QB in NFL history?
You do know the Jets have Tebone And Sanchez right?
Please rewrite your post to
The Third Worst QB in history.

WHO CARES ABOUT MARSHALL RIGHT NOW!!! HE IS ON CHICAGO!!!

CAN WE WORRY ABOUT OUR TEAM!!!!

hilarious fp4

coming from kris is funny, he used to rip me when i said how bad henne would be. he hyped him for years

Bill...I tip my hat...

i loved hard knocks. looking forward to tannys future here, hoping its great

FOOTBALL SHOULD BE LIKE BASEBALL WHERE THEY ONLY INDUCT 1 PLAYER A YEAR FOR HOF,

Posted by: ALoco. | August 08, 2012 at 01:45 PM

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What on Earth are you talking about you nitwit? Baseball has NEVER had that restriction and usually inducts MULTIPLE players and other connected to the game each year. No different from football in any way, shape, or form you stupid mullet.

Stick to topics you know something about. Like crayons.

kris,

1, I said post season accomplishments or stellar individual seasons. At any one time, you could say Owens, Moss, or Sanders were the best at their position. COuld you ever say that about Marshall??? NOPE.

2, Owens had his career defining moment as a 49er in a playoff game against the Giants.

Moss played in several postseason conference final games as a Viking and Pat. and a super bowl too.

let's not diminish their post season accomplishments.

marshall has yet to even sniff the postseason and will not again. In the meantime he will compile respectable stats, cause turmoil, alienate people, and cost his team with costly drops and penalties (his trademark in Miami)

Marino earned his respect with his play and leadership. Not once did you hear about police going to Marino's place. There's a good classy pro like Marino and then there's Marshall (Great talent but a Diva). Marino thought the same for the good of the Organization, Marshall was for the good of himself and selfish. That's not a team player. I would rather have a guy who can keep it loose than be negative in practice. Yelling at players is part of the passion, I agree, but having off-field issues is a concern. Johnson doesn't have off-field issues. He'll be fine in Miami, he just can't be himself in front of the Camera's because Philbin is right, you have to represent the Organization. You wouldn't give a press conference like that for your job, or you'd get fired. So I see Philbin's point in disciplining Johnson and why Johnson won't give press conferences anymore.

Mr. Sunshine,
I think most of Aloco's posts are done in a Tonuge and Cheek, The guy is one of the funnier posters,Treat his posts with the due respect you'd give a comedian.
Thank you for playing
"Aloco Said What?"

CHAD IS 34 ..BUT HE CAN MAKE ALL THE PLAYS THAT MARSHALL MADE...MARSHALL NOT ONLY IS A CANCER FOR THE TEAM..BUT HE'S SLOW.I JUST SAW HIGHLIGHTS ON HIM IN PRACTICE WITH THE BEARS AND HE FELL DOWN TRYING TO MAKE A CUT..REMEMBER THAT FIN FANS..I'AM GLAD HE'S GONE..IT JUST FELT LIKE A BAD VIBE WITH HIM ON THE TEAM LIKE A TICKING TIMEBOMB!AND FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT PHILBIN ..WASN'T LOOKING AT CHAD EYE TO EYE ..CAUSE HE KNOWS HE'LL PROBALY BE HERE FOR 1 YEAR..PHILBIN HAS A PLAN.

Dear Mr. Sunshine is not familiar with ALoco's brand of humour at all.

Abduct sports writers, that is so awesome.

I Remember the funniest thing Aloco said, I'll check the old Archives to see if I can find it, It's classic Aloco.
Be back in a few minutes.

Let him be Chad Johnson, F-bombs and all...apparently I'm in the minority but I though the press conference was pretty funny, nice to have some color for once.

I think Chad is just motivating himself with all his talk, and he's a goofball with his antics. If he can produce like he used to then let him be himself as long as he doesn't embarrass his team or coach.
Marshall is a head case. Not worth the money or the bs especially when he was dropping TD catches.

I like Philbin. I really like the practice model of running more plays by having 2 units working at the same time. Got to see as much as possible with the new practice limits. Will his game management be good? Will he be good with timeouts? Adjustments? Will he be able to get these guys to play above their talent, by buying into his system? We will find out.

Marshall was on his way to the HOF until he met RoboHenne lol

Very dissapointing that the 8th player in the entire draft is 3rd string...on a bad team.

IT'S BEEN 15 YEARS TO BUILD A WINING TEAM, TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE I'VE COME UP WITH HOW LONG IT TAKES TO BUILD THIGS
HERE THEY ARE..
PRYMIDS IN EGEPT..........................10 YEARS
ROMAN EMPIRE..............................12 YEARS
MAN ON MOON...............................10 YEARS
HOOVER DAM................................9 YEARS
GRAND CANYON..............................11 YEARS
I'AM NOT A GYNOGOLGIST BUT ID SWEAR BUILDING GRAND CANYON WOULD TAKE LONGER THEN BUILDING FOOTBALL TEAM

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Posted by: ALoco | November 30, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Odrick went to PSU, is that why he does that ghey dance after each sack.?

At the rate the Dolphins are going (backward)it'll be 25 years before they sniff .500 LMAO

IT'S BEEN 15 YEARS TO BUILD A WINING TEAM, TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE I'VE COME UP WITH HOW LONG IT TAKES TO BUILD THIGS
HERE THEY ARE..
PRYMIDS IN EGEPT..........................10 YEARS
ROMAN EMPIRE..............................12 YEARS
MAN ON MOON...............................10 YEARS
HOOVER DAM................................9 YEARS
GRAND CANYON..............................11 YEARS
I'AM NOT A GYNOGOLGIST BUT ID SWEAR BUILDING GRAND CANYON WOULD TAKE LONGER THEN BUILDING FOOTBALL TEAM

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Posted by: ALoco | November 30, 2011 at 10:31 AM

This has got to be the BEST OF ALOCO.
IMHO

As Transparent as it can be, that's the way It will be.

As a long time Dolphinfan I cant recall a year with less talent then this team has. Who is the face of the franchise? There is no one.

We forgot to mention the one major difference between Chad and Marsha.

Hands

Chad has won multiple receiving competitions for not dropping passes.Butters Marsha couldn't go a game without dropping one. Plus wasn't Chad on Sport Science cause of his catching radius.

Marsha might be bigger and stronger but Chad is a better Wr. He catches the ball. He rarely drops passes.

The Jokes is Chad being Class Clown. From the looks of it here alot of u shouldn't be mad at Chad. We have a couple clASS clowns here.

I guess we got tired of "looking through a glass darkly", jeje.

THANK YOU FP,WHERE ARE YUO LIVING AT,YOU DONT SOUND LIKE THE REST OF THE BROWN DONKYS ON HERE.
YOU SOUND EDUCATED.

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You, get outta here, we are practicing!

Thank you Aloco, Iam living in San Jose Cal.
Was excited to see Ross going after the Stanford HC, To bad he was to stupid to not get rid of his coach at the time or Miami would be where the 49ERs are today.

On the SS there an article thats asking the question does Starks and Solali measure up to Gardner and Bowens, the answer is simply F NO! Bowens was a beast as well as that hot dog neck Gardner. Anybody remember Gardner neck? Rolls Galore

Yeah, I remember all those Marvels, but they took a little longer to build.

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