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The differences between Chad Johnson and Brandon Marshall

Chad Johnson, who made a big deal about enjoying new freedom with the Dolphins after being muzzled in New England last season, today walked past the media and announced, "I don't do media anymore."

The change is obviously tied to Johnson's issue with coach Joe Philbin this camp in which the coach was displeased with Johnson's language and the way he represented the organization in his one press conference since joining the team.

The displeasure was on full display Tuesday night on Hard Knocks -- with a little career chat from Philbin as well as the advancing of the idea that Johnson will have to tow the line or be in danger of getting cut.

So there's that. Chad Johnson is being his usual enigmatic self and there is backwash from it. And that leads me to this: On more than one occasion since camp started I've had people suggest to me the Dolphins this offseason basically traded one problem child for another when they traded Brandon Marshall and signed Chad Johnson. That idea seems to have gained traction following Johnson's bizarre opening press conference and particularly following the airing of last night's Hard Knocks premier.

But let me share with you what I've been told by people with the team.

They don't see Johnson and Marshall as identical or even remotely similar.

The Dolphins believed, at the end, that Brandon Marshall was trouble to have on the team. They had grown weary of his ways. And the idea that he was a distraction was the least of the many, many concerns they had about Marshall.

Johnson?

He's something of a flake. A clown. A cut-up. He needs to clean up his language because, as coach Joe Philbin says, he's representing the team and this team wants to be represented in a certain fashion. But is Johnson dangerous? Is he going to get into violent disputes, either with people or family?

That's not been his history so far.

The truth about Marshall, whom I liked by the way, is that police were not just called to his house the one time his wife stabbed him. There was a long history of problems at the Marshall house. I'm told cops were called at least half-a-dozen times we didn't know about in addition to the stabbing incident that made headlines.

Marshall was also problematic among teammates. On more than a couple of occasions, I'm told Marshall totally lost it on the sideline and would yell at teammates or coaches or both. It got to the point, I'm told, nobody would go near Marshall. And this is in addition to the torment I'm told he heaped upon his quarterbacks, particularly Chad Henne.

Obviously, this is all second-hand and I'm certain Marshall would have a different version of these stories. So I give him that and so should you. But the things multiple people have told me about him paint a picture of a problem child that didn't seem headed in the right direction.

Combine this with good but not great results on the field -- remember he dropped a handful of TD passes last year -- and you can understand why Miami felt the need to trade Marshall.

Johnson?

If he's true to his history, he won't be getting arrested. Cops won't be showing up at his house responding to violent domestic disputes.

He may, however, wear on some teammates, as he did in Cincinnati. He may be something of a diva, as he was once he started producing. And he may not always be consistent in his performance, as evidence by his last year with the Bengals and last year in New England.

It should be said that Marshall today is probably a better player than Johnson. On the other hand, Johnson may be less of a problem child than Marshall, particularly when it comes to legal matters. The Dolphins will soon find out if Johnson, like Marshall, becomes a distraction or an embarrassment to the organization -- an issue for which Philbin may not have a lot of patience.

"There's a certain way, again, we want everybody to be themselves. I don't want everybody to be Joe Philbin," Philbin said today. "Everybody's different. We want to let guys be themselves. However, we think everybody has an obligation to get on board with the program. I told Mr. Ross we were going to have men that represented themselves in the right way on and off the field. And that's important to me. It's importnat to our staff. I believe it's important to our owner that we do things the right way.

"Again, I'm not going to sit here and say I've never cursed or used an inappropriate comment. I'm sure I have. There might have been some on the show because sometimes on the field I do ... It's important to all of us. I really believe that.

"We're not going to be a great football team if we've got 51 guys doing things a certain way and maybe two guys who are on their own program. It's too hard. It's too tough. We have to have guys that think the same way and whose brains think the same way about football. They can act different and dress differently. But they all kind of have to think the same. They have to buy in. If someone doesn't want to buy into the program, that's a problem." 

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Armando, the only important thing is who can create separation, get open and catch the ball more consistantly. The question is does Johnson have enough speed left at 34 to give the Dolphins one good year? I think Johnson has that so getting rid of a guy who gets in trouble with the police, drops a lot of balls and wants the ball thrown to him all the time may be a good move. Johnson wants the ball all the time also but is more flexible and not as nuts as Marshall.

Philbin is WORSE then Sparano!

ALoco,

If everything goes as wrong as it possibly can, this years Miami Dolphins will only win 7 games. I don't think thats going to happen, but worse case scenario, a guaranteed 7 wins.

*If* the Offensive Line comes together and we have the run game that I think we will, bump it up to an EASY 8!

*If* Johnson, Naanee and Bess fit into the WCO like I think they will, you can bump it on up to 9 baby!

*If* This Defense comes together like I think it will, Lookout!

The defense has obviously improved IMO. Not just with the Line, Dansby and the scheme, the secondary will be a lot better as well.

The secondaty is ALREADY going to get help in the form of pressure from Wake, Odrick and Vernon(who by the way, has been playing so well the Coaches are starting to gush). But that's NOT all. The secondary is also going to be improved because where Nolan Carroll and Benny Sapp we starting last year, they'll be replaced with Marshall and Davis'.

But wait......there's MORE-lol! Apparently Jones and Clemons fit the Cover 2 scheme much better than Nolan's old system. Reshad, by all accounts is having a good camp and coming into his own.

And.......(yes, I am NOT done).........Finally, much like Marshall pushing Davis', Jimmy Wilson is coming on strong and pushing Clemons.

So in summation and allowing for the Defensive improvements, you can confidently bump that number up to 10 wins Baby!

We could steal a game or two and/or lose one we should have won. Luck factors in too every once in awhile. All things considered, I'd say a guaranteed 9 and probably 10.

Odin...

There is NO WAY you believe that...

@ 6:19...

Heck, 19-0 this season!

VIO,

Let me assure you I work very hard in contract negotiations for all of our players. I understand your generation still has difficulties in believing women have any competency in positions of power, but please don't spoil the minds of others with your blatantly false and ill-informed ideas.

Thank you.

I HAVE TO ADMIT

I THOUGHT WE WERE PLAYOFF BOUND LAST YEAR


AND THE YEAR BEFORE!

Brandon Mashall has a mind disorder. He had that disorder before the Dolphins signed him and that proves the Dolphin management has no awareness of whom they sign. The Phins will be much better without the powder keg. GO DOLPHINS:

Philbin is WORSE then Sparano!
Posted by: Coalition To Get Coalition Out Of The

Closet | August 08, 2012 at 06:19 PM
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Bhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant!

**********IMPOSTOR ALERT*************

Besides, EVERYBODY knows that I like EVERYTHING about Philbin...........**So-Far**.

There is one curious little thing about Coach Philbin. For some reason he reminds me of Luther VanDam, the assistant coach on the old Sitcom "Coach".

If you recorded Hard Knocks, go back and listen to his admonishing of Johnson, WITHOUT looking at the screen. Listen to almost any of his conversations..............It's Luther Baby!

YAC are bonuses.

I am a Miami Dolphins fan in Pennsylvania!

Kris,

You can make all the excuses you want for Marshall but at the end of the day the guys that vote these guys into the Hall of Fame don't say 'well he should be in because he had to endure Cahd Henne for a couple of years'. Tim Brown never had strong QB play in Oakland but I don't see anyone making excuses for him. The botton line on all this Kris, the reason that Marshall won't make the Hall of Fame, is because Marshall will continue to disappoint wherever he goes. Chicago looks good on paper this year but at the end of the day they'll come up short. And everyone will blame Cutler for it but the reality is that wherever Marshall has gone he hasn't elevated his team. It'll be more of the same I'm afraid and that's not good enough to get into the Hall of Fame.

Let me assure you I work very hard in contract negotiations for all of our players. I understand your generation still has difficulties in believing women have any competency in positions of power, but please don't spoil the minds of others with your blatantly false and ill-informed ideas.
Thank you.

Posted by: D. Aponte | August 08, 2012 at 06:29 PM

Ah.............Dawn........Honey.........I think you dropped something Sweetie. Why don't you bend over and pick it up.........................


(DANT-Dah....DANT-Dah....DANT-Dah....DANT-Dah.........)

-Odin- ;)

Craig M = VIO

Question:

What do you call a person that can't admit when he is dead wrong?

Answer:
Vio

Question:

What do you call a person that endlessly babbles nonsense day in and day out?

Answer:

VIO

When will Idiot Odin PLEASE end the suffering of every one and end his Old useless Alcoholic Liver,Kidney failing,Brain dead,Nasty Breath,Life?, When lord ,When?
(Chances are good it will be before pre-season ends.)

Question:

What do you call a person that endlessly babbles nonsense day in and day out?


Posted by: D. Aponte | August 08, 2012 at 07:03 PM

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Answer: DyingYesterday'sFlipperBreedGoneFlopper.

VIO's best friends

1. ALoco
2. Kris
3. Sloths

How's Debo?

VIO's Best friends

Jack Daniels
Jim Beam
Bud Weiser
Adolf Coors
Drunk Idiot.

Where is YG?

Where is YG?

Posted by: oscar canosa | August 08, 2012 at 07:56 PM


He went to take out the catheter.

Marshall and Johnson. Marshall is a HOFer and Johnson is washed up dog poop.

I am VERY concerned about our D backfield.

No way Marshall is HOF, no way. You guys are high on fumes. It will be a miracle if he doesn't end up dead or in jail anyway.

oscar I am VERY concerned about your long term lack of a sex life.

Well, for all of you to know, I have become Celibate. Only way to produce what I want.

For a long Time, the McClatchy Corporation has been infringing on the People of Miami's right to true information thru their publications, TMH and ENH, with the help of powerful Mafiosi of this community and abroad. We, have known about it for the longest Time, and now the Moment has come to end it. Of course, Armando knows this. Au revoir.

I usually don't like posting about an off-topic on the blog hours after the fact but......!

Did I get it right, on page one of this post up there was a page long discussion comparing Marino's sideline demeanor to Brandon Marshall's??!!

Did Marino yell at teammates, yes! Did he do it in an offensive fashion were he alienated everybody on the sideline, NO!!

I suggest those who made the comparison need to youtube all the Marino video they can before making such an absurd comparison.

I remember more than once Marino getting caught by camera's on the sideline raising his voice and he was either usually telling his OL he needed a split second more or he was correcting his WR's on specific routes they may have run incorrectly.

If we were behind and getting ready to go on O with under 2 min. to go he was usually barking out at everybody what he expected in the coming drive, of which he would bring his team back 36 times over 15 and a half seasons starting (93 didn't count and in his last 2 seasons he missed a good half season of work) that averages out to nearly 2 comebacks per Yr. only Elway with 47 had more and even that is debatable, here is a little known fact posted on Yahoo Sports during Marino's H.O.F. Induction.


Marino had 51 overall wins decided in the 4th quarter/overtime, and 36 of them are comebacks. ... Elway had 49 overall wins decided in the 4th quarter/overtime, and 34 of them are comebacks. ... Marino has more than Elway, and deserves to be recognized for it.

The difference is Marino didn't make teammates feel less than or ripped them in humiliating fashion. He did however push them to there absolute best while Marshall, T.O. ect... are about stats and recognition who feel superior and rip teammates and locker rooms to hell with they're brand of CANCER!!!

ABSURD COMPARISON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fin4life nobody is more ABSURD than you. After Hard Knocks proved you wrong about Dawn Aponte you come back and say will if that is true. What do you need a sealed document from the White House?

You are nothing but a pssy throwing temper tantrums. You and that mental case loser bf of yours here.

You are nothing but a pssy throwing temper tantrums. You and that mental case loser bf of yours here.

verdad | August 08, 2012 at 08:55 PM


Truth be told I've never thrown a temper tantrum but simply discussed my point of view on here Yr. in and Yr. out. If memory serves the 1st person who brought up the Aponte angle after last night's HARDKNOCKS was me. It's also a fact that the show is being shot in real time with a one week tape delay for our consumption. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that some of it like in all reality shows is scripted either for ratings or image purposes.

That said I very matter of fact said she apparently has more to do with contracts than simply crunching the numbers and by the way it takes one hell of tough S.O.B. to call someone a pssy from behind some keyboard. In a forum like this you get more respect by killing someone with facts and better points of view than doing that little punk move of yours, your obviously one of those passive aggressive types who gets pushed around in society and needs this forum or a women to beat your frustrations out on!

FIN4LIFE.........

LIFE IS SHORT.......... .


WHO CARES ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID OR NOT SAID.........'

LOVE IS EVERY THING.....

THE REST IS DOLPHIN CRAP.......

FIN4LIFE....

MARRY LONELY ODIN....


LOVE IS EVERYTHING....

THE REST IS DOLPHINS LOSER CRAP....

Pouncey is a beast and will whip u after practice! Lol
No Qb wants to be hit by anyone on our D line.
Philbin's new offense will get us at least 10 wins with a joke schedule, playing the Raiders, Jets, Rams, Titans, Jaguars,
Bills and Seahawks at home...
And ive been to 3 practices. I havent seen anyone cover Ocho yet.

I HOPE FIN4LIFE KNOWS THAT THE POST @ 9;26 PM I S A FAKE ALOCO .......


I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR FIN4LIFE,I WILL NEVER SAY ANY THING BAD ABOUT HIM.

fin4life, you run and hide from the facts when they hit you smack in the face. You accept your full of shyt rap based on nothing but your narrow opinion like it is fact but when someone shows you up with journalistic proof you conveniently say it's made up. You are a child that just has to win no matter how wrong you are.

verdad | August 08, 2012 at 09:35 PM

You mean like someone posting there opinion and stamping it verdad (the truth) If there is something I've never done is run and hide about anything in my life, my pride simply won't let me!! You and I have no idea what the truth is behind close doors except the crap were fed through the media and alot of guessumptions by a few diehard fans on some random football blog.

Your of the opinion that Dawn Aponte is the final word on contract structure & negotiations and I tend to believe the team owner (who hand picked Tannehill) and defacto team czar Ireland have alot of say in the matter. Your entitled to your opinion as much as the next man but you can't paint it with a wide stroke of fact either guessed on your 1st hand knowledge which is as good as mine or Mando's for that matter.

You say I have a narrow point of view and post baseless facts on the game of football and I happen to believe myself a fountain of useless info. on the sport, fine! Call me out and put something up worth discussing if not join the endless round of hacks who never have an argument but only personal juvenile attacks to toss around about people who they know nothing about only to be part of the endless parade of posters who are summarily ignored.

I actually posted @ 8:50 about what I found to be an unreasonable comparison between Marino and B.Marshall on page one of this blog. After reading page 3 though I seem to have been caught up yet again in the endless debate regarding Dolphins CEO/CFO Dawn Aponte who told her idiot Boss Ross and his head of Ops. that she was going to play hardball her way with Ross's hope to fill seats in an ever shrinking fanbase.

fin4, don't reach and make things up. I never said anywhere that Dawn was the final word. You are full of shyt to say that. I said she was involved with contract negotiations and it wasn't all on Ireland. That was proven by Hard Knocks. So fine, stay in your little fantasy land and believe what you want, just don't put words in my mouth.

You and your bf were laughing in my face when I told you that, big know it alls you two...well, you've been proven wrong and can't even admit it.

verdad | August 08, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Alot of people like to post under multiple names on this blog, so "IF" your the person who made the argument last week about Dawn Aponte under another name (which is the ultimate cop out) you argued that the one who worded Tannehill's deal with kick back clauses was Dawn Aponte, so I ask if that doesn't make her the final word on negotiations. After all as you stated HARDKNOCKS clearly stated it had been her call, you can't have it both ways.

verdad | August 08, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Admit what exactly?? Go back and read I clearly wrote on my post last night that my assumption of her being just a #'s cruncher was obviously wrong but then you come back with.....


fin4life nobody is more ABSURD than you. After Hard Knocks proved you wrong about Dawn Aponte you come back and say will if that is true. What do you need a sealed document from the White House?

verdad | August 08, 2012 at 08:55 PM


The truth we were arguing that night Mr. Verdad was the power to specifically word contracts and structure them to which you said she had! I have since 11:30 P.M. last night repeatedly said I was off on my assumption of her place at the big kids table while your assumption took her power in the Org. further.

Not shyt Squirelock!

Of course Dawn Aponte is involved with contract negotiations, thats her JOB-Hello. Besides, that was never in question.

The comment in question was when you **VERDAD** said Dawn Aponte was involved in player aquisitions and evaluations-ROTFLMAO!

Changing the argument and then trying to jump on somebody over it.......Psssssssft!

fin4, your bf showed up just in the nick of time, LOL. Too funny.

A nugget from the Bio on D.Aponte


Aponte is known for someone who understands the NFL salary cap, which can be confusing to even the sharpest minds.
She broke into the NFL with the New York Jets. Aponte spent 15 years with the team and was a rising star as the Jets' senior team accountant before become the team's vice president as a specialist in salary cap and labor relations. Aponte gave the green light on deals and most importantly, dealt with personalities like Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick.

She apparently lets the team know how feasible a contract is to the CAP structure of the club which no doubt gives her a big say but from there to being responsible for the specific wording of a deal that was made to penalize a player by forcing parts of guaranteed money back I don't believe her call or in her job description.

I will say that after reading her Bio I am highly un-impressed given the inflated deals she green lighted for K.Dansby, B.Marshall and a host of others limiting the Fins ability to move this FA period were teams like the Pats had deep pockets. The more I read the more I come to un derstand her as part of the problem as well, FIRE APONTE!!

verdad | August 08, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I've made a few friendships here over the years but those people have been posting under ONE NAME for a few years now and while I don't always agree have respected there points of view. I read what you post and have an idea by the way you express your points and write of who you are and even if wrong you still write under multiple names, hence the TROLL moniker you were saddled with on the blog and find it hard to respect a point of view not backed by a specific name, handle or whatever you choose to call yourself.

fin4life,

lay off the kool-aid and take your meds

Anybody notice that Johnson had a terrible practice the day after Hard Knocks came out?

Johnson appears to be 'sulking' because they filmed Philbin calling him out. GROW UP!!!!

Note to Johnson, you CAN run a press conference where you are entertaining but DON'T drop curse words in every other sentence!

What babies fighting desperately not to admit they were wrong, changing my words and theirs at every turn. I guess you told your mommies that wasn't your poopie in your diapers too LOL.

Ireland's setting records for MOST BUSTS EVER!

Dawn Aponte
Senior Vice President of Football Operations
College: Delaware
NFL: 21st Season
Team: 2nd Season
Dawn Aponte joined the Miami Dolphins on February 1, 2010, bringing with her a wealth of football experience at the team and league level. Reporting directly to Executive Vice President of Football Operations Bill Parcells.

Ochostinko should be cut. He came here to retire anyway

fin4life,

lay off the kool-aid and take your meds

Coalition To Get Coalition Out Of The Closet | August 08, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Kool-Aid drinkers are hallelujah blind faith believers which I haven't been in sometime I myself am more of a Fins agnostic these days needing proof there actually is a football valhalla1

fin4, you are even more pathetic than I realized. You conveniently left off the next sentence...what a loser you are. You don't deserve another second of anyone's time.

The rest of it:

Dawn Aponte joined the Miami Dolphins on February 1, 2010, bringing with her a wealth of football experience at the team and league level. Reporting directly to Executive Vice President of Football Operations Bill Parcells, she is responsible for the management and strategic planning of the Dolphins salary cap, player contracts and budgets.

verdad | August 08, 2012 at 11:24 PM

I didn't conveniently leave anything off, it clearly states that she reported directly to Parcells who made the final call. It isn't specific about who she reports to now but that she clearly reports to a boss, period!! I would have to be stupid to believe my computer the only one that googles. Since Parcells departure the team has been run by Ireland and she has structured his moves under the cap.

Marshall and Marino both yelled at teammates at times. No difference.


Verdad, I'm tired of humoring you READ the last paragraph of this report regarding Ireland's role in the wording of the Tannehill deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ryan Tannehill Contract Details
by Kevin Nogle on Aug 2, 2012 10:00 AM EDT in 2012 Miami Dolphins News


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Steve Mitchell-US PRESSWIRE - PresswireMore photos »
about 1 month ago: June 19, 2012; Davie, FL, USA; Miami Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill (17) throws a pass during mini camp practice at the Dolphins training facility. Mandatory Credit: Steve Mitchell-US PRESSWIRE
After a two day hold out, Miami Dolphins rookie quarterback Ryan Tannehill signed his contract on Saturday, arriving at his first day of training camp on Sunday. The negotiations between the team and their franchise quarterback of the future came down to "offset" language, or how much of Tannehill's guaranteed monies would be the Dolphins responsibility if the quarterback were released and then signed with another team.

Basically, offset language means, if Tannehill were cut by the Dolphins, let's say after his third year, leaving one year on the contract, and he had $2 million guaranteed, then he signed with another team for $1 million that season, Miami would only play him $1 million. This way, he is still receiving the $2 million guaranteed, but he is unable to pull full salaries from two separate teams for a year.

According to a Palm Beach Post blog entry from Ben Volin, the Dolphins were not playing hard ball with Tannehill because he is a rookie. The Dolphins were insisting on the offset language because they have had it in every free agent and rookie contract since 2010 - including players like Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, and Matt Moore. The team began including it in the 2010 season, with only linebacker Karlos Dansby being signed without it.

General Manager Jeff Ireland claimed control of the team's personnel moves in 2010, when former vice president of football operations Bill Parcells changed his role into "consultant" instead of the man with the final say. Ireland includes the offset language in an attempt to limit the "dead" money the team would have against the salary cap if they were to release a player, allowing the Dolphins to have more room to operate and find new players if needed.

Here is the final paragraph incase the ADD gets the better of you Mr. narrow minded Verdad!!!

General Manager Jeff Ireland claimed control of the team's personnel moves in 2010, when former vice president of football operations Bill Parcells changed his role into "consultant" instead of the man with the final say. Ireland includes the offset language in an attempt to limit the "dead" money the team would have against the salary cap if they were to release a player, allowing the Dolphins to have more room to operate and find new players if needed.

fin4life | August 08, 2012 at 11:34 PM

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