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Babin doesn't make sense in Miami but don't discount the notion

[UPDATE: The Dolphins were reportedly one of eight teams to put in a waiver claim for Jason Babin. This obviously speaks to the idea discussed below that the team wants pass-rush help opposite Cameron Wake. Babin goes to Jacksonville and will face the Dolphins Dec. 16]

[UPDATE 2: Now we learn that reports saying the Dolphins put in a claim are not accurate. Apparently only three teams put in claims -- Washington, Jacksonville and Bills. Babin goes to the Jaguars. Still.]

Jason Babin?

He's available and he had 18 sacks in 2011. He is a 4-3 defensive end and the Dolphins play the 4.3. He fits an immediate need for a team needing pass rush help on the other side of Cameron Wake.

But ...

Babin wants to go to a winner and according to some reports he became something of a problem in the Philadelphia locker room because the team wasn't winning. Well, the Dolphins are 5-6 and not considered a team that's winning.

Is acquiring Babin Joe Philbin's style. No, in fact, it would go against his stated approach of having a certain kind of player that advances and fits into the program. Babin reportedly complained and second-guessed and, wait for it, had opinions during his time in Philadelphia.

Philbin doesn't want that in his locker room.

Babin's 32 years old. So what? The Dolphins are going to do exactly the opposite of what they've been doing -- that is, letting younger players such as Jared Odrick and Olivier Vernon show themselves and develop? Hard to fathom an about-face on this.

Babin is also something of an engima. He has only 5.5 sacks this year. He's had more games without a sack than games in which he got a sack. If you notice the Eagles' record the past two years, obviously Babin is not a difference maker. They stunk with him playing well, they stink with him playing poorly.Believe it or not, the Eagles have lost each of the last four games in which Babin has recorded a sack.

I'm not saying it is his fault they lost the game. I'm just saying his limited contribution hasn't made a difference.

Babin is also subject to waivers. There is one report that the Ravens will definitely claim him. The Ravens, by the way, are behind the Dolphins in the priority waivers claim order. So if the report is correct the Dolphins would have to claim Babin to get him. They would not be able to sign him as a free agent after waivers expire.

Claiming Babin means taking on his contract which has $1.75 million left on it in salary this year and extends through 2015 with salaries of $4.25 million next year and $6 million in '14 and '15.

You'll hear the term "Wide 9" scheme as it relates to what Babin is best suited for. Forget that. If a guy can rush the QB, he can rush the QB. Plus the Dolphins employ a bit of that anyway. Not a factor here.

Did I mention Babin is limited against the run? He's not that good against the run. There, I said it.

Yes, the Dolphins need a counter to Cameron Wake. Yes, Babin is probably a better pass rusher than anyone else currently on the roster.

But from waiver claim issues to locker room issues to age, there are serious reasons to doubt Babin fits. It doesn't make sense. (So, of course, don't be surprised if the Dolphins are interested).

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no thanks. lets go younger, hungrier, cheaper. build through the draft. it would make sense if we were a Super Bowl contender that had lost our top pass rusher with injury. but we are not and we havn't.

We should be 7-4. That's winning and top 12 in the power rankings.

If he helps to win now, put in a claim. I would agree with dan and Ray Finkle above if the Fins were 3-8 with no shot at the playoffs.

I also believe that the whole "locker room can't handle it" is BS. I would certainly hope that Dansby, Starks, Wake, Soliai, and Burnett would be able to explain what it takes to be a Dolphin. In fact, I want to see the Fins locker room have a chance to mimic the Ravens.

The season is not over, fellas. If the Fins get Babin, suit him up on Sunday and send him after Brady. Less need to blitz if you're getting pressure with the front 4, more people in coverage, less time for Brady. All are needed to affect patsies' offense.

I don't really care about power rankings - that just an overpaid journalist's opinion.
I agree we should be 7-4 with those 2 over time losses being wins but we are learning and all these close games are great for building a team made of steel.

Next off season is massive - the biggest for many years. what we do in next years draft and FA will be felt for years. Get it right and we are on the way - get it wrong and it will set us back 5 years.

Oh and keep Long!!!! good LTs do not grow on trees.

Jason Babin traded to Dolphins for Miami's 2014 1st rd. pick.

Not sure to expect a claim here. he's 32 and as good as he's ever going to get. makes sense for a baltimore but not for us. babin is a player very much for this year - maybe next and that's it. he's never going to be what he was while we should be getting players who still might be.

Oh and keep Long!!!! good LTs do not grow on trees.

Agreed. If anyone on the roster has earned a mulligan for a down year, it's Jake. Hopefully the two sides can come to an agreement that make sense for both sides. I would expect a deal short term and high money as a compromise.

Cant trade for Babin. He is free agent on claims..

please no, lets stay the course,get players from the SEC in the draft.

I don't think there was ever a DE who made an impact on a team's record, not Reggie White, not Deacon Jones, not Bruce Smith. Sure they helped but there are still 22 men on the field each play. So that point is useless.

Yeah, Keep the broken down has been at LT,he's been a disaster out there but then again,what do the out of touch out of towners know other than what they read in the box scores.?
lmao

Great analysis - first thing I thought when I saw this news was, "should we get him?" Signs point to no. Thanks, Armando!

"Winning now" is not, alas, our first priority. Building a team that can win next year counts for more. No need to sacrifice future depth & longevity for a slight advantage in a season that we will already be lucky to finish .500.

go finsssssssss

long should be let go, only thing maybe to do is franchise him for one more year and then let him walk

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and Bill, how do you fill the void at left tacckle if you let jake walk?

yep let Long go and then re-build the O-line yet again. Move Martin to LT after he's been learning RT for 12 months. Then draft a new RT, someone else that has to learn next to Jerry, again weakening the right side.

Or keep Long and start next season with the same line as this year, one season wiser, one season better, one season more consistent. The best o-lines are the ones with the same personnel year after year.

I'd draft a RG or LG to add depth behind Richie and Jerry but thats all i'd do. Why give yourself another whole to fill.

I'd rather them not get Babin. Let Odrick/Vernon get reps. Then they can either start Vernon next season and move Odrick inside or keep it as it is.

As for the Jake Long issue. From what I've seen of Martin this year moving him to LT isn't the answer. If Long is going to continue playing at his current level he isn't worth keeping for the money, but then you have a spot on the OL to fill. Almost a damn if you do, damned if you don't personnel move.

u mean with the 14 mill we have if we do?

Geez, not a bad option. Would look awfully good chasing Tom Brady around Sunday and later this year. There's a void on this team and this guy could fill it. Guys want to knock him but he had 18 sacks last year. Impressive!

I'm all for drafting pass rush in the first in April but this might be one way we don't have to use that pick. So he's not that good against the run? We have guys for that, namely Soliai, Odrick and Starks. Is Wake all that good against the run? We needs guys that can get to the QB. We don't have enough of that.

Malconent? Translation: Doesn't like losing. Yeah we need MORE guys like that. We need guys who hate losing every Sunday and won't put up with it. To me Babin an established and trusted vet and his contract going forward is not that substantial. If we have ANY sniff of a playoff this year, I make this move now.

YG, this may also help in getting your kid from ND next year. With Babin on board, my move next year would be to draft T'eo and cut Dansby. That extra money could be used to resign Hartline, Long, Smith and an impact S or CB in FA.

this move makes sense to me. I'd do it.

Long's back as Dolphin next year....BANK on it (with a nod to Kris).....

CS,

For sure Martin is not physically amture enough yet to be a left tackle. I think he struggles enough jsut to be on the right side at times to be honest. Franchising jake is the minimum solution, it would be asbolutely idiotic just to let him go. Even at his worst, he's what 40 something rated tackle - last time i checked there are at least 64 tackles in the league. So at his worst, he's average. And average is still a lot better than anybody else would we get in free agency or later middle rounds of the draft. But I have faith jake will come back better next year so we wouldn't be getting an average tackle but a good one.

Once again Craig M shows how much of an idiot he is. Cam Wake is rated as the numner 1 DE against the run according to Pro Football. Yea lets get a 32 year old Babin who quit on his team, downside of his career, and impede the progress of Vernon and Odrick. Craig tsk tsk bud, your football knowledge is laughable.

we're a team trying to rebuild and develop players in a certain way. Claiming Babin makes no sense unless injury to a DE forces the coaching staff into it.

If we are rebuilding(and everyone can see we are) then surely the GM and coaches should be given the breathing space to rebuild rather the hatred that 'some' fans are displaying??

I could give you $20M and you wouldn't find a great left tackle. It's not about money with these guys, it's supply. Teams (except Buffalo) don't left very good left tackles just walk. Who was the last very good tackle that switched teams? Jason peters, and look what Philly gave up for him.

I unfortunately get to watch a lot of Eagles and Babin too. A friend of mine works for the Eagles and in typical eagle fandom fashion and the fact he works for them, he watches game with his fan/employer goggles on. Anyway last year while Babin was supposedly having this break out year I told him he wasn't a good player regardless of the sacks. This was around 10 sacks when I told him this well at 18.5 I felt the same way.

Babin runs a looping circle for the most part to get a majority of his sacks. He doesn't like contact, he cant set an edge nor will he. He is just all about himself. He don't jam a TE or OT he just abandons ship to try and get "his" numbers.

He stinks!

No way we can take that cap hit. We need play makers in too many areas this off season to be paying out 4 or 5M on maybe or maybe not veterans. Walk away, Fire Ireland and have the draft of yr life in April

Long would be hard to replace. Probably worth keeping for one year to see if he rebounds regardless. To replace Long you are looking at FA (and nobody wants to let a good LT walk, so thats almost a certain no) or the draft. In the draft it would be a high pick 1st/2nd.

Might be better off standing pat.

Mark, easy. OL are fungible.

CS, my thinking exactly.

McLovin, nope

CraigM,

Even if Miami doesnt make this move, now that we beat Seattle, I have shakey feelings about being in position to draft T'eo. Though I hate to see the team lose, it seems we have history of winning at that most inopportune moments, draft lower than our true overall talent states we should and return to our losing ways the following season.

Beating Seattle suggests we should be able to beat the Bills and Jags too. But we cant bank on it. We may even "UPSET" the Pats in one of the 2 games. We win 3 more games, we're 8-8, and drafting outside of top 10. Outside of the top 10 likely means losing T'eo anyway.

Drafting outside of top and signing a 32yr old Babin, I believe puts us where the 1st pash rusher in this draft should be taken anyway. Because I believe there are still very good wr's coming out of the 2nd rd anyway. Its not adamant to take one 1st rd.

How come Clay didn't know he had to improve until his coach told him as much?

Truth be told, from time to time this season, almost all teams are having pass protection issues at one point or the other. Dumping Long isnt going to make the problem disappear in Miami.

IO would go ahead and roll the dice an sign Long to a heavily incentive based contract. At least franchise for 1yr, let him walk, and draft a RT in 2014. Because the next option would be to move J-Mart to LT.

Problem with that is that it isnt guaranteed J-Mart will give you much more than Long's currently providing. Long isnt awful, he just isnt playing to the Jake Long status we had gotten use to when he first arrived in Miami.

No On Babin.

And We all Know Dashi is Going To ask This!!

CAN WE CUT DANSBY!!!!!!!!

Just Saying. That INSUBORDINATE OVERPAID UNDER-PERFORMING SCUMBAG!! HAS TO GO!

He's Lucky The DOLPHINS HAVE NO LINEBACKERS!! ELSE!! BYE BYE KARLITO!! And Friend!

Burnett is a Good Team Guy! And Has Some Smarts! He can Probably Preform the Same as K.Dansby or Better! In The MIDDLE!! FOR A LOT LESS!!

(Burnett can be the 1 Year answer in the Middle for Dansby for U Guys that are Reluctant To Get a REAL MLB!!!)

Burnett Just Suffers From the Same Thing as Misi! SLOWFEET(Quickness/Agility)! About half the Defense Suffers From This!! We have a Bunch Of Gators!! Small Brains and can't Cut and Change Direction! No DEXTERITY! Like Dansby! And Smith!

It's a PROBLEM MOST PARCELL PLAYERS HAVE! The Antiquated Prototype! Size Speed then Smart!

Philbin is of a New Prototype! Smart Speed Then Size! Oh, and Character!

All 3 are Important! But NFL Football is More Complex and A Lot Faster Than Pop Warner! Old School Ball!

Even Before Shula Went Senile(Only Believe In Marino's Arm, Not the Team First)!! He Prophesied The Change Coming in the NFL!! Pass First!! Run Second!

If Sporano was Parcells! Philbin Can Become Don Shula! Or at Least the 2nd Most Wins IN Dolphin History! That's what Ross Thinks! That's What Ireland Sold Him!

What Would that Make Ireland?

For U Dolphin Historians. U know Who.

People, Te'O is likely to win the heisman and be a top 5 pick. Irish never drop in the draft when they're on top. We are not a bottom 5 team, not even a bottom ten team. We will draft where we are supposed to draft, outside of the top ten. One of the top pass rushers may fall to our slot, or the cb from Alabama or Chance Warmack. But we would not be or should not be in position to draft Te'o.

... if we somehow miraculously pull off a win this Sunday, and Steelers lose to Ravens, we would be in a wildcard spot? Saw Philbin and some of the players had said recently that the team is absolutely not concerned about playoffs and focusing on this game. If they pull this off, I may be sucked back into the machine.

mark i dont need 20 mill and we dont have a great lt now so whats ur pt

Mark In Toronto,

Im not really feeling the cb's in this draft. I dont see any shutdown corners. Even the top cb's in this draft are solid starters on the nfl level at best.

Since we have 2 2nd rd picks, I feel we can use one of those to get a solid #2 corner and pair him with Smith. I just feel we have to many issues that would be better addressed 1st rd than taking a average starting #1 corner that wont be a huge upgrade to Sean Smith. I see good talent at 1st rd corner, not great.

YG, yeah, not sure Milliner would even be there when teh Dolphins draft and no other CB has a grade that high. WalterFootball recently has Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon going to us, and Warmack picked right behind and Milliner going to Buffalo earlier. I see it the same as Walter right now, Dolphins at 14 would face a similar scenario and Jordan would be that athletic bookend to pair with Wake and give brady fits.

Sp people will continue to stay Long stinks and yet he continues to lead the LT voting for the Pro Bowl. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Go ahead and keep beating the drum that it's a popularity contest and he's getting there on reputation. Still doesn't explain how a guy that stinks will have made it 5 years out of 5. Not saying he's having a great year but he FAR from stinks!

Anyone that says he stinks, knows very little about football (looking at you Truth)

bill, my point is you haven't provided any kind of contingency plan on how you address that giant void at LT by letting Long go. Even Long at his worst tthis year is a serviceable LT. No, he isn't great right now and worthy of the Pro Bowl but he is still better than what's on the roster and free agency. And I don't really feel spending another 1st or 2nd pick on a LT. I could care less if Jake makes $14M on a one year deal. We have the space and I don't need to sign the cheques. Letting jake just go would set the team back, no debate on that one no matter which avenue you go in replacing him.

ok move martin there, sign a free agent, draft one

I agree Long is washed up at this point. It's a shame we won't get a good 10 years out of a 1st overall pick.

This is how much Craig knows he citing Jake Long being a great player because he leads LT for the the Pro Bowl. Hello earth to Craig the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest Craigy boy.

The only think that stinks is your analysis on football, I think the majority of us would be happy if you swicth your allegiance from the Dolphins to the Toronto Maple Leafs or Tornoto Arognats with your bed buddy Mark.

Dashi is with the Consesus.

Letting Long Walk Is CRAZY!!

We Are Just Going To have to PAY for a PREMIUM POSITION! Hopefully With the New CBA and Long Doing Us a Favor!! We Pay Fair Market Value!! About $8-11 Million a Year!! And Don't Go Crazy People!! On A Long Contract(5-6 Yr)!! His Cap Number will be Low the First couple Years! About $5-6 Mil! Giving Us More Cap Space!! FOR U CAPAHOLICS!! U can Always Let a Player Go in the Last 2 Years of His Contract IN THE NFL!! Back Load the Contract!

Dashi is also with Finding a OG Thru the Draft(3rd or 4th rd).

Again! Sherman and his Boy(O-LINE COACH)! Have a HISTORY!! Of DEVELOPING YOUNG TALENT!! Texas A&M!! Has 2 First Round Tackles!! Coming Up!! That Spent 3 Years!! With These Coaches!

Look at Martin! Jerry Is Actually Starting!! Pouncey is DEVELOPING PHENOMENALLY!! J.Long Can Still Be Saved!! They Got a Ireland Acorn! And Turned Him Into the Backup Center!!! AND ALL THIS IN YEAR ONE!! COACHING THIS O-LINE!! THE GUY JUST NEEDS A COUPLE GUARDS TO DEVELOP!!! NEXT YEAR!!

The O-line is Further Along in Year 1 Of Philbin!! Than at Any Point in the Last 10-15 Years!! At Most WE NEED GUARDS!! The Only 2 Players that Don't Fit The Prototype On The Line! A Zone Blocking Scheme! Incognito and Jerry!

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Craig @ 12:21

U just proved there is NO REASONING WITH U! AND U HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING IN WHAT THE COACHES WANT!! AND HOW THIS TEAM IS BEING BUILT!!

A 32 Year Old Insubordinate Malcontent!! That Only Rushes The Passer Does NOT FIT WITH THE DOLPHINS!!

WE HAVE 3 GUYS UNDER 24!! That Cost LESS THAN $1 Million!! Combined!! And Are More Complete Players!! Plus Know the Scheme!! OUR DE'S!! ACTUALLY COVER SOMETIMES!!! VERNON IS A NICKEL LB SOMETIMES!! (That's How BAD THE LB DEPTH IS!!)

AND U WANT A CRY BABY!! DIVA DE!!!

NO WONDER U LOVE DANSBY!! CRAIG!!!

HE IS YOUR TYPE OF PLAYER!!!

Ireland doesnt make sense either but he's still here after 4 consecutive losing seasons. Ross has to be in a coma.

If you think jake is bad back there, wait until you see Martin there. You didn't see when Mario picked him up and threw him 5 yards backwards into Tannehill?

And I guarantee you in free agency, you wouldn't get anybody better than what jake is playing RIGHT now. And Jake definitely has the upside to get better. Your free agent wouldn't.

Don't agree with your plans and how it would make the team better.

Matt Ryan should've been the pick instead of Long.

Come on Truth, @1:13, what are you like 5 years old???

Lets sell Canada to reduce our deficit.

Home @ 1:35, I know you don't want to compare the realtive health of our country's finances because the USA would fall way behind in that battle my friend.

Hey, da Bears r gonna offa Long 10 mill/yr.

DD, or the Eagles, or the Rams, or the Cardinals, or the Jets ... and so on, and so on.

The left tackle from Kansas City is a FA this coming year if im not mistaken. If we tag him he costs 13.4 million. There are advantages to both letting him walk or tagging him if a deal cant be done.

Out of RESPECT ALONE!! LONG IS A PROBOWLER AGAIN!!

HE IS THE STANDARD!!!

Anybody is Nobody in My Book!!!

This Year NO 1ST ROUND PICK CAN GUARANTEE U WHAT JAKE BRINGS!! HECK IN THE LAST 10 YEARS!! NO LEFT TACKLE CAN GIVE U WHAT JAKE BRINGS!!!

NAME 1!!

ANYBODY!!!!

THAT CAN GUARANTEE U THE STANDARD!! THAT IS JAKE LONG!!!

If Jake Was A RB!! He Would Be BARRY SANDERS!! IF HE WAS A QB!! HE WOULD BE DAN MARINO!!!

U DIDN'T GET THE CALL!!! WHEN THE DOLPHINS DRAFTED JAKE!! THEY DRAFTED A HALL OF FAMER!!

U DON'T JUST LET A HALL OF FAMER GO!!

Pouncey Can Become a HOF'er!

JAKE WAS ONE AT 23!!! EVEN SPORANO CAN'T DESTROY HIM!! Jake Will Be BACK!!! TO THE STANDARD!! COME NEXT SEASON!!

WHEN HE IS GOING TO HIS 6TH PROBOWL! AND 4TH ALLPRO!!

NAME 1 LEFT TACKLE THAT FITS THAT STANDARD!! OVER THE LAST 10 Years!

ANYBODY!!! ZERO!!

NAME 1!

JOE THOMAS!

NAME ANOTHER ONE!!

NONE!!

SO SCREW THE RANKINGS!! JAKE IS 1 OF THE 2 BEST LEFT TACKLES!! IN THE LAST 15 YEARS!!

TO PUT THIS INTO CONTEXT!!! FOR U OF LITTLE KNOWLEDGE!!

O.Pace= J.Thomas
J.Ogden= J.Long
T.Bosselli= D.Ferguson!

SIMPLE ENOUGH!

U DON'T LET 1 OF THE 2 BEST LEFT TACKLES OF THIS TIME!! GO FOR NOTHING!!!

U DON'T LET THEM GO PERIOD!!!!!!!!!
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Playoffs? Playoffs? just because we havent been mathematically knocked out yet with the hardest part of our schedule coming up, doesnt mean were close to making the playoffs. We dont need to draft in the 15-25 range. We need a top 10 pick. Im not saying lets lose on purpose but lets think about the future. Getting RT and the offense playmakers and getting the D solid corners and a pass rusher opposite of Cam Wake..

Well, the one thing we can count on is Irescum making the wrong decision lol

Hi there Dashi!

Long is playing at a high level. No one is perfect.

How Many People Are Agaiinst The Fins Trading BOTH 2nd Round Picks! To Move Up in the First!! For Te'o!!

That is the Question We are all going to be asking! If the Fins are Stuck with the 15th Pick! And Not the 7th!

ALREADY KNOW THE D.THOMAS IS A BUST CROWD WILL BE OUT IN FULL EFFECT!!

Don't Get Me Wrong!! LOVE TO SEE THE DOLPHINS WIN(9-7)!!

BUT I WOULDN'T MIND!! IF CARPENTER MISSES A COUPLE GAME WINNERS!!

PATS 27
FINS 24

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