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Dolphins check in on Routt but signing not likely

The Dolphins have made an inquiry with the agent for cornerback Stanford Routt, NFL sources are telling me. But ...

The Dolphins are not interested at this time.

The team reserves the right to change its mind in the future. Things can change with player injuries and level of play, etc. But the club has no plans to sign Routt any time soon.

So there's that.

Routt is an interesting player because he has so much potential and the Raiders and Chiefs have paid handsomely for that potential. But both have been disappointed with him to the extent they both cut him.

The Raiders drafted Routt in the second round of the 2005 draft after he ran a 4.27 at the scouting combine. In February of 2011 he signed a three-year contract that included $20 million in guarantees over the first two years.

But Routt didn't last with the team into that second year. After starting 15 games in 2011, he was released after a season in which he didn't play up to his price tag.

Seeing an opportunity, the Chiefs last February signed Routt to a three-year deal, this one worth $19.6 million. But the Chiefs stink and Routt was apparently not fitting in well with the defensive scheme. So, yes, he was cut November 5.

Routt, I'm told, is best suited for man press technique. He apparently struggles to learn zone concepts and sometimes has blown coverages on calls.

Having said that, he's out there. The Dolphins checked in on his status because Richard Marshall is on injured reserve and they just gave up 433 yards passing to the Colts.

But nothing is going to happen with him here any time soon.  

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YG at 2:48 right on. That's exactly my point. I'm not excusing anyone's behavior but I understand Ireland's reaction. I don't understand the fans side of it because I would never do something like that. It's classless.

Mark,

I'm just stating what I read. It's $9.4 this year and it's a percentage of total cap. When they looked at the top 5 LTs they expected that number to go down.

Agree. Smith is a #2 CB. We need a dominating #1 CB in the catagory of Revis, Woodson etc. who can cover a # 1 recievers one on one. That would allow us to bring a safety up to the line and get some more pressure on the QB and make some negative yardage plays which would have the opposition OC rethinking the game plan.

Phins 78,

I understand that fans side of it 100% He was part displeased and "a lot" liqoured up! LOL

I haven't gotten into this Routt conversation because I don't really know the guy at all (or enough to have an educated opinion).

But, here's one thing I'd add, there are only 2 games on the remaining schedule where shoddy DB play will get us killed: Patriots (home) and Patriots (away). The remainder of the games are against below to maybe average QB, but no above-average - elite QBs. And that's where we get beat. These other teams won't trust their QB to throw as much as Luck (or Brady), and if you're thinking post-Season, you're getting WAY ahead of yourself.

So, on that alone, I'm probably leaning against bringing in a guy (who might take a few weeks to learn his assignments) to play for a couple of weeks until we drop him so we won't have to pay him and can draft someone (probably better) for cheaper.

Gusy, again with this premise that number one corners grow on trees. Good luck with that line of thinking.

Jake Long salary in 2012 is $12.8mil

CraigM,

I would franchise Long for $9.4 million in a ny minute. Its only an average of the position's top 5 pay. It can still be argued Long's at least a top 5 LT(probably #5). It can be greatly argued there arent a total of 5 nfl LT's better than Long currently is.

We're just so used to Long/Thomas battling for the #1 and #2 spots of league's best LT'. I wouldnt say Long's slid farther than #5 on the league's top LT's. So to be franchised at an average of top 5 pay($9.4 million) is pretty close to where he currently is.

"Though most of the heat Ireland brought on himself. He's been thrugh "extreme pressure" as gm here in Miami. Constantly reading how displeased fans are with him, both the national and local media trashing him, and fans flying banners of displeasure of him over the stadium during home games."

YG,

Every GM is under 'extreme pressure.' If he doesn't produce results he get fired. Every coach is under extreme pressure & so is every player. Every year you see a rookie make an NFL roster that means that a player lost their job. The same thing goes on year in & year out for every single team & every single player. Every year it's still only a 53 man roster. Fair or not fair this is the way it is.

Do I think the fans here have taken it to far? Absolutely but let's be real here--most GM's would have been fired after three straight losing seasons. So if anything he's VERY lucky Ross gave him the benefit of the doubt. What Ireland needs to do is take Philbin & the coaches out for dinner...

Craig, it's not really a question about #1 CBs growing on trees. With the current CBA (and thinking of this leadership) you build through the Draft. Not FA. FA's cost money, drafted players do not (in their first contract). Just observing how Philbin operates, I think he'll (rightly) conclude CB needs to be addressed next Draft earlier rather than later. Lucky us, we have picks to do so. Not sure what the CB class is looking like this year, but this doesn't seem like the HC OR GM to give a 29-yr-old castoff from 2 other teams mega-bucks. Again, has nothing to do with the player, whom I don't even know. I'm just going off what I "think" I know about my GM/HC.

"...Any know what Jake's current salary is?"

Mark,

He makes a living....LOL!!!

Philbin needs to instill a new rule on the team. Very simple this rule will lead to a more disciplined unit and will cut down on penalties and mental errors.

I love the business suits on the road trips and the all white uniform standard.

Philbin needs to put in a hair rule. No long hair! No Dreadlocks, No Braids.

At practice no saggy shorts or overly long or baggy shorts.

Go back to the short tight aqua practice shorts and the tights underneath.

The same ones Dan Marino wore back in 1983.

"On April 22, 2008 in advance of the April 26 and 27 draft, Long agreed to a five-year, $57.75 million deal with the Miami Dolphins. The deal included $30 million in guaranteed money and made Long the first overall pick in the 2008 NFL Draft. This made him, as of that date, the highest paid offensive lineman in NFL history."

Mark,

I don't know where Craig got that number either. He's made an average of $11.55 Million per year & now Joe Thomas makes an average of $12 Million per year. I don't see how the franchise number could be less than what he is already making...

DC,

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying we lack depth THIS year. I'm saying there's a guy out there that TWO teams now have paid good money for. Tells you he has good skills. I'm saying he helps our depth THIS year. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Did people notice that BB traded added a guy at the dealine in Talib who's had his share of problems off the field? Why? Because he's thin in the secondary and it could be a detriment to team success going forward. That's what I'm suggesting. The long term goal should be to add through the draft. My only caution is, there are NO sure things. Davis and Smith were thought to have solved our CB position for the next 5-8 years and it hasn't worked out that way.

vontae could cover and tackle; sean smith can't do either. we needed to retain the services of vontae and brandon marshall.

WHRB's,

Its also a "very rare" case when a gm has a "liqoured up" fans in face telling him to "go fire" his self.

Ime sure the fan used much, much stronger language than this in telling Ireland to fire himself. I've been to games and seen how "liqoured up" fans can get and the barbaric language they use. LOL

WHRBs,

I'm saying the price to franchise a LT this year is $9.4 mil. If Long's franchised next year he gets the average of the top 5 LT's. That number for LT next year is thought to be less than $9.4 mil. Yes, Clady has turned down a 5 year/$50 mil contract. He runs the risk of getting less as a franchised player.

Mark,

Long's base salary was $11.2 Million for 2012 so if Craig were correct the franchise tag would actually save us $1.8 Million in 2013??? I've never heard of a player being franchised & then making less money...

WHRB's,

A $57 million contract with $30 millin guarranteed, you only count the "guarranteed money". $30 milion over 5yrs is only $6 million a year.

Remember, he has "to earn" the rest. $27 million of the $57 million isnt "guarranteed".

YG definitely liquored up.

Last week at a Lakers game a guy with front row tickets was berating a player who was shooting over 50% which is excellent for an nba player, especially a bench guy. the fan was telling him "you suck, they should cut you, you couldn't hit the side of a barn", etc.

The player finally had one too many buttons pushed and defended himself. No punches, just gave it back to the guy, only words exchanged. That should have been the end of it.

But no, this pu**y fan decides to call team officials and complain. His family buys season tickets every year and he wants an apology. The team FORCES the player to sit down and apologize to the fan. It was pathetic and a sad commentary on our society.

WTF is going on with people that they feel entitled to berate others because they paid money. YOU PAY MONEY TO WATCH A GAME. Being an a$%hole will cost you extra as in be ready to suffer the consequences of your moronic behavior.

Same as the guy sitting behind you at a baseball game screaming that every player sucks constantly throughout the game. When asked to keep it down he states "I payed for this". NO, you payed to watch a game and so did I. I wouldn't have bought a ticket if it said there would be a 325 lb fat guy taking up two seats and ruining the game for everyone around him.

That's the problem, there are considerate people in the world and there are jerks who feel entitled so they act inconsiderate only caring about themselves. Those are the people who ruin it for everyone else and then act as if they have been wronged when someone calls them out. Just like the jacka%^ Dolphin fan.

I'm saying the price to franchise a LT this year is $9.4 mil. If Long's franchised next year he gets the average of the top 5 LT's. That number for LT next year is thought to be less than $9.4 mil. Yes, Clady has turned down a 5 year/$50 mil contract. He runs the risk of getting less as a franchised player.

Craig,

Is it the top 5 or the top 3???

A $57 million contract with $30 millin guarranteed, you only count the "guarranteed money". $30 milion over 5yrs is only $6 million a year.

Remember, he has "to earn" the rest. $27 million of the $57 million isnt "guarranteed".

YG,

I understand that but that's not what counts against the cap. His base salary for 2012 was $11.2 Million.

Craig, I get it, you're looking for an option this year. Which is why I said we'll only have 2 more games this year where we can get torched in the secondary. Our rinky dink squad back there now can handle the likes of Locker, Fitzpatrick and Gabbert. Brady (twice) is the only one who will hurt us passing. And Smith, well, since we're going across country, I'm already chalking that up as a loss (and Seahawks as a win using the same thinking).

So that's why I'm saying the staff probably feels they can do without the guy this year.

But look, I agree, if you can bring in a talented CB this year for cheap, who hasn't worked out elsewhere but is a good fit here, get him up to speed before Dec (the 1st Pats game when we'll need a CB) then sure I'd do it. But so would Ireland/Philbin if they really thought it was important enough to tool-up for a long run this year.

1) Not sure they think we're going to the post-Season
2) Not sure they have the same faith as you in that particular player

What I'm saying (what a turnaround this is) is that I put the faith in talent acquisition in the GM and HC. If they make it happen, then I'll accept it was the best move to make. If not, I'm good with that too!

A player can get franchise and actually make less money. Its only the players who were making significanyly less before getting franchise that make out like bandits(Welkers, and Soliai's).

Long was a 1st overall pick under the old cba rookie salary. If Long's pay was under this new rookie cap, then there's no way he ends up making a little less, because the orinal contract would be far less than what he recieved as a rookie in 2008.

So it is entirely possible for Long to make a little less being franchised because of the "HUGE" 1st overall pick contract of 2008. Still it was a "good contract" for us because only $30 million of the $57 million is guarranteed.

Its just a matter of how that $30 million guarranteed was split up over 5yrs. Still that's an average of $6 millon over 5yrs, which includes whatever his signing bonus was.

There aren't that many great CBs, they all get beat from time to time. I've seen Tedd Ginn beat Revis... If the Dolphins let Smith go, the same people complaining about him now would be whinning when he did good somewhere else.

"That's the problem, there are considerate people in the world and there are jerks who feel entitled so they act inconsiderate only caring about themselves. Those are the people who ruin it for everyone else and then act as if they have been wronged when someone calls them out. Just like the jacka%^ Dolphin fan."

Phins78,

Welcome to my world. I live in Manhattan. Try taking the subway to work in the morning. Apparently EVERYONE is running late.

Craig, Jake long's franchize number next year is $15 million. Its 25 percent above what he's making now minimum. Everyone knows this. We can't franchise long. I think we let him walk if he wants that kind of money.

There is always a ton of verbage and clauses in contracts. If Long continues to play sub standard (which I doubt)his value would drop and so would his paycheck. That is why there is Guarantee Money up front in contracts. Also he has been hurt quite often and that maybe a way to sit him for a few games.That would have his back up getting playing time against starters and if that works out there is always the trading dead line or IR if hurt???????

If they tag someone imo, it will be Starks or Smith.

Its just a matter of how that $30 million guarranteed was split up over 5yrs. Still that's an average of $6 millon over 5yrs, which includes whatever his signing bonus was.

YG,

You're missing something. He's playing out the last year of his contract so he's been paid the entire $57.75 Million & all of that money has to be counted against the cap.

F#ck...That's a lot of cheese.

An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams. The player's team has all the negotiating rights to the exclusive player.

Theres the rule in black and white.. If the average of the top 5 players at his position is 9.5 million then he falls under the rule of 120% of his current years salary. so $12.8 million x 120% = 15.36 million

15.36 million would be JL's franchise tag number

Boulder,

Sorry bud but you're DEAD wrong. That's not how the franchise works. Franchise tag is the average of the top five players at the position. This year that number was $9.4 mil. It's expected to go down next year.

Where are you guys getting that he made $12.8 mil this year? I'm showing $11.2 mil.

Craig, Jake long's franchize number next year is $15 million. Its 25 percent above what he's making now minimum. Everyone knows this. We can't franchise long. I think we let him walk if he wants that kind of money.

Boulder,

Are you sure about that????

WHRB's,

Long's base salary is $11 million because of dividing the %47 million by 5yrs. Only the guarranteed money and incentives he's already reached counts.

Im sure he has some "easy to reach" incentives in the contract like, games played, workout, and other easy to reach bonuses. At the end of the day, it only counts against the cap, what we "actually pay him".

Unpaid money cannot count against the cap. Only the guarranteed and paid out money does.

No Craig youre wrong on this one bro... its the avergage of the top 5 lineman OR 120% of his current years salary, WHICHEVER is GREATER
even if its 11.2 million thats a $13.44 million tag

Ok Craig, I buy into that number. At that figure, no way he walks and if anything it gives his camp incentive to get a long term deal done on more reasonable terms. No way he walks with 9.4 being a more than fair number for his services.

57 million

matty,

I see that now. I just looked it up. So he'd be looking at $13.44 mil for next year. You are correct.

craig, read this article
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8298a7b0/article/report-dolphins-mull-2013-franchise-tag-for-jake-long

At the end it says jake long franchise number is 15.36 million in 2013

An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams. The player's team has all the negotiating rights to the exclusive player.

Theres the rule in black and white.. If the average of the top 5 players at his position is 9.5 million then he falls under the rule of 120% of his current years salary. so $12.8 million x 120% = 15.36 million

15.36 million would be JL's franchise tag number

MattyB,

'NO LESS THAN' being the operative language. I read that his base salary was $11.2 Million. Another $1.6 Million in bonuses is nice.

We have RBs,,,,,,lol. I live a few hours north of you but work in the city once and a while. Luckily we only take the subway when going out at night. I couldn't handle that morning rush.

Per the article I just posted
"As for the franchise tag, the tender for an offensive lineman in 2012 was worth $9.383 million and will remain in that area as the salary cap is expected to remain flat in 2013. However, that won't matter for Long as his franchise tag would be worth $15.36 million, 120 percent his 2012 cap number of $12.8 million."

Yeah, this is the part i like about the blog is giving feed back and learning stuff..

We have RBs,,,,,,lol. I live a few hours north of you but work in the city once and a while. Luckily we only take the subway when going out at night. I couldn't handle that morning rush.

Phins78,

It's not fun. That I can assure you.

yeah, tag an injured uninspired has been.woooooooooooooooooooow.
lmao

Yeah, this is the part i like about the blog is giving feed back and learning stuff..

MattyB,

Yep. I just learned that Jake Long is a very rich man. LOL.

That's what I thought it was too matty. Just wasn't sure if it changed with the new CBA.

Boulderfin,

Does nunguarranteed money count against the cap? If not, I dont undestand why theyre say Long counts $11 million against our cap. 57/5yrs gets you at that 11 million number, but only 30 million of that 57 million is guarranteed. So how could unguarranteed money count against the cap too?

This confuses me.

WHRBs, yeah, jake's doing ok!

Anyone hear what's going with the young OL from the Cowboys? Had to get a restraining order from his own mother to get her from stopping to ask for money. Women will suck you dry - whether they're blood or not.

"That's what I thought it was too matty. Just wasn't sure if it changed with the new CBA."

Mark,

Either way, through Franchise tag or FA, he's breaking the bank.

Yesterday, I know it confused me as well. I think the difference is in bonus money? But I know that tagging Long would be very difficult. He would take more than 1/3 of our available cap next year. he's not playing anywhere close to that right now. Unless he gives us a hometown discount I think Long will be gone next year.

Boulder,

You were quick to provide that article (thanks for that by the way) but it clearly states that the feeling is no way will the Dolphins let Long get to FA. So how come you're still saying they will?

"WHRBs, yeah, jake's doing ok!

Anyone hear what's going with the young OL from the Cowboys? Had to get a restraining order from his own mother to get her from stopping to ask for money. Women will suck you dry - whether they're blood or not."

Mark,

Crazy right??? Tyron Smith. Good player too. In fact the only good O-line the Cowboys have.

Someone should ask Jerry Jones what's up with his players & their Mommas??? Dez Bryant got into a fist fight with his...

Here's where I found the $12.8 (not sure how accurate it is or if it includes incentives):

http://football.player-salaries.com/players/60_Jake_Long

Just found that Long had a clause in his rookie contract that adds a 6th year. So he doesnt have to be franchised this year. This isnt Long's final contract year, 2013 will be.

What's he make next year then YG?

The Sun Sentinal says:

Should Miami Dolphins redo Jake Long’s deal?

When the Miami Dolphins used the first pick in the 2008 NFL draft to selected left tackle Jake Long, and signed him days before the draft even began it was widely reported that the former Michigan standout signed a five-year deal worth $57.5 million.

Left tackle Jake Long is due more than $25 million over the next two season.

But what wasn’t publicized was the fact Long’s deal included a clause that would put a sixth year in place, and that happened after Long earned a Pro Bowl berth for a solid showing his rookie season.

To make a long story short….get it?…. Long is under contract for two more seasons despite what some are reporting.

His cap number for 2013 is $12,350,000, and that factors in money from his initial signing bonus, and some extra bonuses he’s received for making four straight Pro Bowls.

Hard to tell at this time what Long’s base salary will be because he has triggered so many of his contract’s incentives, and will probably continue to do so.

Seeing as how Long has a cap number of $25,150,000 over the next two seasons, the Dolphins could easily create more cap space by giving him a contract extension, which simply pays him a large sum of that money in bonuses and guarantees.

Problem with redoing Long’s deal is its usually bad business to re-sign players coming off an injury-plagued season. And even though Long was named to the Pro Bowl for his play, 2011 was his worst season considering he allowed five sacks and 15 quarterback pressures.

So, should the Dolphins roll the dice and extend Long, hoping that his worst NFL season, one where he played on a troublesome left knee before tearing a bicep muscle in a loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, is an aberration?

Doing so could create a significant amount of camp space, which could be used to re-sign some of the team’s own free agents, pursue others, and maybe redo Cameron Wake’s deal.

Is is possible that the Chiefs let him go because he was TOO GOOD for their team?

DC,

Long makes $25 million over the "next two years".

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2012/02/should-miami-dolphins-redo-jake-longs-deal.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sports%2FMiamiDolphinsweblog+%28Miami+Dolphins+%7C+Sun-Sentinel+Blogs%29

Yeah, saw that YG, so around $12.3mil. Sounds better than $15mil. Still a sh*t ton of money though. I don't want to be the one making that decision (glad I don't have to).

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