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One more time for emphasis: Henne was not the answer

Stop it. Just, stop.

I should have predicted that today would mark the rebirth of the Chad Henne debate on this blog. While the Dolphins have their own serious and important quarterback issues, many on here have been debating whether the Dolphins should have kept Henne, Miami's former starter, during the past offseason.

This because on Sunday Henne had a very good day. Starting for the injured Blaine Gabbert, Henne completed 16 of 33 passes for 354 yards with four touchdowns and no interceptions in an overtime loss to Houston.

Let me jump into the fray.

The Dolphins did the right thing by moving on from Chad Henne.

He's a hard worker. He has all the physical tools to play in the NFL. But something is seemingly always missing. Something is lacking that keeps him from being a great NFL starter. I'm not saying this based on the fact his team lost on Sunday. I watched him the past three years. I listened to complaints from teammates and, yes, coaches, who came to the conclusion he wasn't franchise QB material.

He was not the answer and I doubt he'll be the answer in Jacksonville.

Henne, as usual, was streaky on Sunday. He was impressive at times. But then he went into the proverbial tank and nobody knew why. That's the worst kind of player, in my opinion. The guy who builds up hope and then waits or the crucial moments to play poorly is the biggest waste of time because teams keep them around and keep them around hoping he turns the corner.

Except he never turns the corner. He shows you just enough to keep you interested and hopeful. And he still slumps in the crunch.

That's Henne. And Sunday, predictably, he went into that tank at the most inopportune time.

Henne had a glorious day working for three quarters. He had completed 13 of 18 for 250 yards and three TDs. And then, he sort of disappeared.

In the fourth quarter and overtiime -- you know, when the game was on the line -- Henne completed 3 of 15 passes for 104 yards and one TD. Yes, he got the TD throw of 81 yards in the fourth quarter, but 3 of 15?

In overtime, by the way, Henne completed 1 of 8 passes for 15 yards. That was hero time. That was high-stakes time. That was the time to win the game. And Henne disappeared.

The streaky quarterback seemingly hit one of his skids.

So my evaluation of him does not change: Good backup, yes. Franchise QB, no way.

That doesn't make him a bad guy. He's actually a good man.

But it also doesn't make him a bad decision by the Dolphins. They needed to move on. They needed to stop wasting their own time.

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BTW suck for luckers I dont believe that if the Dolphins drafted Luck that he would of brought his record from the Colts here,or even that the Dolphins would have a winning record thus far.Any QB needs someone to block run and catch there are 10 others out there this is not an individual sport.

Who are too young, We Have Draft Picks? The Players and Coaches or the Fans?

You do realize everyone you point to as good players to build around were brought in by Ireland.

His last two drafts have been good, the ones he had control over. This team was in bad shape, and it isn't going to change overnight. What is happening this year needed to happen. Next year there is cap space and lots of draft picks. A lot of issues should get cleaned up. FA isn't the answer either just look at Philly.

Common Sense,

He's been in Miami for five seasons not two. I'm not saying EVERY pick was his for his first three years BUT he's been involved in every draft & FA decision. No GM deserves that much rope...

BTW--As for last year's draft yes he took Pouncey but what about the rest of the draft??? I'm not sure how excited I am about Ireland trading up in the 2nd round to take Thomas who is a complimentary back. How about Gates or Clay for that matter???

Did any of you find a statistic on Troy Aikman's 4th Qt comebacks? Yes? Noo? Maybe?

I want the similars to Ed Reed, the Pulamalos, here.

We Have Draft Picks,

Well aware of how long Ireland has been here. He had limited control when Parcells was still around. Not a complete handwashing, but something to consider.

CLAY???? Gates???

What round were they in? Serioulsy anything past the 2nd sometimes 3rd round you're lucky to add depth. D Thomas is actually a pretty good back, everyone (especially here) bust on him but what do you want. A guy to come in and take less than half the snaps and run for 100 yds a game?

Look at some other teams drafts. Great example is the Jets.

I mean, and again, you have to spend $ to make $. Ross should know that.

I find the poeple willing to give Ireland a pass for the first few years because Parcells was here a joke.

There is a fine line between homerdumb & reality.

Parcells got his socuting reports on the players he drafted from his top scout. Guess who that was?

JEFF IRELAND!

Some of you people are beyond stupid. Yea, Ireland MAY NOT have made those draft picks but, Tuna used Ireland's player evalutation to draft them. THEY WERE STILL WRONG. Whether Ireland made the picks or not, IRELANDS EVALS WERE WRONG!

MAYBE, if Ireland's scouting reposrts were VIABLE, we'd have a few more hits than misses during those first 3 years & you wouldn't have to show your ignorance!

Mando,

I realize you need to voice your opinion on a daily basis but I think you are too hard on Tannehill. Most of the 'experts' didn't even think Ryan should see the field this year & you can't deny that he's made Hartline & Bess look better than they've ever looked. Good enough for the Dolphins to keep Hartline in Miami to rebuild with. Give the kid a chance to develop. He's got the arm, the talent, & the attitude. When Philbin solidifies the O-line (which will happen) & he's surrounded by more talent then you'll see why he was taken with the 8th overall pick.

Truth (1 of your 90 names),

That would be fine, if not for the fact that the picks you complain about. Long, White, etc WERE HANDPICKED BY PARCELLS.

Having written that Luck wouldnt have made as much of a difference in the Dolphins record thus far(maybe one game)I am sure he is better than Tannehill at this point.I am also sure that Peyton Manning means as much as a three game difference in final record.Wait until the Broncos post their final mark and compare to last year.He is a Hall of Famer though anyone that doubts that doesnt know jck about football.

You can debate this until your blue in the face....but the most likely scenario for a Ireland firing is a 4-12...5-11 FINS season.....we get to the 6-8 win mark....and Ireland convinces Ross he is on the right track....

-pray for the FINS...

KingShula @ 1:14 - Exactly. You cannot put in a new QB, or new GM, or wide receiver, HC, linebacker, etc., and expect wins all of a sudden. You need a system. You need play makers, you need to believe in the system - it has to be innovative.

Until there are dynamic changes to this team in the playbook, we are always going to get what we have always gotten.

This year is a learning year for Coach Philbin and Co. Next year the rubber must hit the road!

WHDPs,

I'd LOVE to know what your expectations were coming into this season. Really I would. Rookie QB, rookie HC, new OC, new DC, switch in defence from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and new offence. So where did you have the team?

Your new QB has played 19 games in College. Did you expect he would come in a lead this team to the playoffs? Is any of that realistic? I'm being serious here, if you had this team making the playoffs this year I think you were being overly optimistic. Parcells brought in Sparano and many of the other players along the way. I think giving Ireland another year with Philbin will give us a much better idea.

By the way, I think Mark gave us the stat this morning that 15 of 32 teams have a record of 4-6 or worse. We're bad but we're not the only ones. Progress is what we're looking for right now.

JEFF IRELAND!
Some of you people are beyond stupid. Yea;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
lol

tannehenne ranked 36th?
huuh?

"Well aware of how long Ireland has been here. He had limited control when Parcells was still around. Not a complete handwashing, but something to consider.

CLAY???? Gates???

What round were they in? Serioulsy anything past the 2nd sometimes 3rd round you're lucky to add depth. D Thomas is actually a pretty good back, everyone (especially here) bust on him but what do you want. A guy to come in and take less than half the snaps and run for 100 yds a game?

Look at some other teams drafts. Great example is the Jets."

Common Sense,

So what was so good about last year's draft other than Pouncey??? Ireland hits on one pick & that's considered a successful draft???

BTW--I didn't say I didn't like Thomas. I said he's not a feature back & is a complimentary back. Not sure that trading up to take a guy in the 2nd round who isn't a starter or a serious play maker was a great move....

Mando, the biggest "troll" here is the self congratulating Mark in Toronto. Do you see his posts. The time has come to ban him.

Mark, internet tough guy, you're way over the top today. The weird thing is that you (partially to your credit) use the same sign in all the time and people could actually figure out who you are.

4-6.

1. It's 1 name you mamaluke.

2. Can you read?

I CLEARLY stated, regardless of who made the picks, the player eval on ALL those draft picks during the Tuna years, were based on Irelands evaluation.

Do you deny this or accept the truth?

We ALL know White was solely a Tuna error. But, what about EVERYONE else? Tuna used Irelands evaluations to draft who he did.

Most of them stunk. A simple minded neandrothol would blame only Tuna.

A common sense thinking person(you are surely not 1 despite your names intent)would know Ireland is equally to blame.

That's why you are a homer living in LaLa Land & why you have ) credibility on a blog of rational thinking human beings.

Did anyone see what Henne did yesterday?
http://phinsnews.com/remember-this-guy/

Kris,

I had the 'Phins at 4-12 this year and Ireland coming back for one more year at this. You bring a new guy in and it'll be plan Q and he'll start blowing things up and doing it his way. As a backer of Philbin, you should be praying that Ireland gets at least one more year. New guy comes in and there's no guarantee that Philbin comes back, regardless of record. It's how things work in the NFL.

HOHO!!, 2watt.

Here's another thing for people to chew on. The fact that we are not in the top half of the league is not because of the guys Parcells/Ireland brought in here, it's more because of the stupid regimes we had before. the best NFl teams are lead by players 28-32 years of age or sometimes even older.

Houston
San Francisco
Chicago
Pittsburgh
New England
Denver
Green Bay

are all lead by players who were drafted even before 2008- the first year Parcells was in charge here. Sure they have contributions from players that were drafted since but the guys that really make the team go - are the vets

Ours best vet is probably Paul Soliai. A very good player but I don't think any run stopping DT will ever enter the MVP vote. Others include Starks, Incognito are also good complimenatary players but not the guys that fill the stands.

Craig M...

we are 4-6....and we just finished the "EASY" part of our schedule....

remaing games....

seahawks
pats
49ers
jags
bills
pats

Considering that we have lost to the bills...and even lesser competition....

How many wins do you see.....

If you don't see any...how will you measure progress....

Its SIMPLE...Ireland hasn't given Philin ANYTHING to work with...NOTHING...NADA...ZIP....

The tape is out on the FINS....and thats why we have been dominated in EVERY GAME since the RAMS put it on FILM....

You can only cover up this lack of talent so long...I commend Philbin for hios effort....

Henne had the "brain trust" of Henning and Sparano plus a much less talented team than what Tannehill now has.

Henne has a good chance of being a starter in the NFL again and doing better than he ever did with the Fins.

Mark, you make this place worse than if you were not here. Seriously. I know you don't get what I'm saying. You, Craig M, and DC Dolfan lead the league "earnest." Look it up. Google "the importance of NOT being earnest." Study. You think you are so serious with your football talk and you complain about "trolls," but then from time to time--and increasingly frequent lately--you become the biggest troll of them all, threatening people and using fowl language. Actually very few to NO others do that? Have you noticed? Not Home, Tim Couch, or any of the other people here who have a sense of humor. You strike us--the sensible people here--as a tightly wound 27 year old male. You're the kind of dork who goes to the gym and has a decent physique, but you wear white socks above your ankles and reebok shoes. You married what you had to settle for. You never bedded a hottie.

The Blog,

Who cares about Toronto & these other Canadian douchers? Let them have their forumn to display their stupidity.

This blog needs a lil levity & these morons actually provide some cominc relief. They just don't realize it.

Less say 6-10, more or less. LV was right. Once again.

Sorry Kris,

This is a tandem. Philbin isn't exempt from criticism, and I don't care if he's new. He's accountable for the results on the field, just as the players are. That's like saying it's not Martin's fault because he didn't ask to play with John Jerry. Philbin's part of the solution or part of the problem and I'd say at 4-6 we can't answer that right now. Not saying it's his fault but he also doesn't get a free pass. Benching Bush, not playing Egnew, not playing Miller more and not mixing up the run rotation care all things that can be hung on Philbin.

WHDP,

Well Thomas isn't a bust, so I would say that was a positive. Granted he isn't an every down back, but I think him and Miller would make a good combo.

Clay (6th Rounder). Lots of promise really. Especially at the tail end of last year. Seemed to forget how to catch though.

Wilson (7th) I like Wilson, but hasn't played good lately. Though he was a 7th rounder, so was much expected?

http://www.thephinsider.com/2011/5/2/2148674/miami-dolphins-2011-nfl-draft-grades

Kris,

You're the first guy on here to jump all over Jeff Fisher for what he's doing or isn't doing with St. Louis. It works the same way with Joe Philbin.

blog, I only take offense to one thing you said there.

You called me "self-congratulating". When do I ever self congratulate. I try to inspire dialogue. That's why I come here. If I go off on anyone, it's because they get personal or troll.

But maybe you're right. Maybe I should be banned. because I still come here expecting intelligent debate or share Dolphins info between fans. Maybe I just remember what this blog used to be and hope it will come back to that. maybe I'm being too stubborn and maybe I should be banned to do myself a favour.

As far as finding out who I am .. I'm not exactly shaking here.

Craig M...

the way I see it....PHILBIN is free and clear of the Ireland stench...THIS YEAR....however...if Ireland gets another year to drag this franchise down further with NO TALENT picks...the Philbin will be drug down to the bottom with him....

Fire Ireland...and bring in a GM who Philbin is farmiliar with...if not comfortable....

Its time to turn this nose dive around...

Kris is 1000% correct in his 1:39.

I'd rather have a new, potentially competent GM with the HOPE of better player acquisitions & a potentially new coach

OVER

Philbin(appears to be halfway decent) & an incompetent disaster in Jeff Ireland who offers NO hope of good player acquisitoon.

People who prefer the status quo(CRAP) over the prospect of better days, needs a brain scan.

In the end, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

Ireland BLOWS! We get a new GM & he blows, WHAT ARE YOU LOSING?

Same people who were clamoring to give Sporano more time(during the harbaugh pursuit) are still asking to give Ireland time.

It's comparing to apples & oranges & they treat it as if they're comparing oranges to bowling bowls.

YOU CAN'T TEACH STUPID!

I was wrong and Mando was right. I should have trusted my own knowledge.

It's official: THOMAS IS A BUST. He's now been given enough chances that by now he should have broken at least one tackle and made one spectacular play to deviate from his 2.4 ypc. Nope. Not one great play.

I was wrong, and here is what I alluded to in the first paragraph. Thomas must be stupid. Not that bright. The greats in any sport have sports IQ to go with their athleticism. Jordan, Kobe, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Ricky Williams in his prime.

Thomas is a 230 pound physical beast of a specimin. So he must be stupid. Mando saw in preseason that he sucks and Mando was right. I blindly figured he'd have a breakout year this year, and I was wrong.

Thomas is a 3 touches a game guy just like Ronnie Brown, starting next year.

And Bush is inconsistent and in the doghouse. We actually should add RB to our list of dire needs.

"I'd LOVE to know what your expectations were coming into this season. Really I would. Rookie QB, rookie HC, new OC, new DC, switch in defence from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and new offence. So where did you have the team?

Your new QB has played 19 games in College. Did you expect he would come in a lead this team to the playoffs? Is any of that realistic? I'm being serious here, if you had this team making the playoffs this year I think you were being overly optimistic. Parcells brought in Sparano and many of the other players along the way. I think giving Ireland another year with Philbin will give us a much better idea.

By the way, I think Mark gave us the stat this morning that 15 of 32 teams have a record of 4-6 or worse. We're bad but we're not the only ones. Progress is what we're looking for right now."

Craig,

My expectations were that we'd go 3-13 & that Ireland would be fired. Now my expectation is that we'll go 5-11 or 6-10 & Ireland will still be fired.

There's not enough talent on this roster that justifies Ross keeping him for ANOTHER year. As owner I believe Ross has found the right HC & now it's time to find a GM. I'd love to see him hire Bill Polian who actually has a track record of building winning teams.

Craig M...

isn't Fisher shopping for the groceries in STL...

Mark in france, intelligent debate requires intelligent people.

You, nor your canadian friend Craig M, fit the bill.

Please do the noble thing & ban yourselves.

Blog,
Ive got to go with Mark in Toronto, typically he bring a great dialouge to the table. I mean some of the idiotic statements being made would send anyone off if they actually cared about Dolphins Football...

My expectations were 8-8. Now, I'm not sure of that.

Kris,

I don't agree. The players and coaches are responsible for what they do FROM DAY ONE. Philbin is judged on how he treats the players, including Ocho, Bush and Dansby FROM DAY ONE. This isn't kindergarten. There's no play time or grace period. He holds his players accountable for everything they do and the same standard should be applied to him. A big 'still pending' should be attached to him at this point in time.

Well Thomas isn't a bust, so I would say that was a positive. Granted he isn't an every down back, but I think him and Miller would make a good combo.

Clay (6th Rounder). Lots of promise really. Especially at the tail end of last year. Seemed to forget how to catch though.

Wilson (7th) I like Wilson, but hasn't played good lately. Though he was a 7th rounder, so was much expected?

http://www.thephinsider.com/2011/5/2/2148674/miami-dolphins-2011-nfl-draft-grades

Common Sense,

I'll say it again--what was so great about that draft??? Clay is less involved in the offense than he was last year.

So far, I like this year's draft but ONE solid draft combined with four straight losing seasons is not enough of a reason to keep a GM. He's the new Matt Millen.

Kris,

No he's not. He's got a GM who makes those calls. Isn't he inheriting the team that was there before he got there? Are you telling me that Philbin has NO say in personnel?

I agree with Craig M that Philbin sucks.

B Brian Blair,
why do you think Philbin sucks?

WHDP,

Well I only give credit on the last two (complete control) and both have been well graded by outsiders/"experts." You had a 1st and 2nd round pick last year, one that has probowl potential and the other average, maybe a bit better.

What do you expect from a draft man? All stars in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th round? Doesn't happen, practically ever.

1st round and 2nd round basically it if you are looking for starters...

Have faith Dolfans. The destruction of the Dolphins franchise is entering the final stages.

I think 1 more year & we will accomplish our mission.

WHDPs,

Bill Polian? REALLY? If he was so good, why was he fired in Indy? You do realize he was pushing hard for him son to be the GM, right? So that's what you'd have here in Miami. Polian's great picks over the last few years include, Jerry Hughes, Joseph Addai, and Donald Brown. Those are his top picks. It was Bill Polian's team that finished 2-14 last year. Care to tell me how that happened?

Oh...I thought part of the Fisher deal was that he wanted to be both COACH and GM....

Mando summed up Chad Henne perfectly. And that's nothing new, because that was the player he was in college too. He never won the big game in college either (vs. Ohio State). And like Mando said, he doesn't perform when it counts. Doesn't mean he'll have some great games (like the Jets twice), but he won't get a team to the SB, GUARANTEED!

Doesn't matter anyway, it's over and done with, and our HC isn't bringing him back. The Miami Dolphins are led by Ryan Tannehill. And if he doesn't get it done, they will draft someone else. Jokers can root for Devlin all they want, but reality says practice squad QBs rarely become elite QBs in the league. So keep dreaming there too.

I don't care about record, all I want to see is progress. Even on the minor things (since Tannehill can't control everything). He CAN control what he does when pressured and no one's open. Take a sack, evade the defender, run, throw an errant pass. I want to see him making the right decisions. Also, accuracy (on the plays where he isn't pressured). I'd like to see improvement there. And I'd like to see the oline get it together. I don't want to keep drafting high olinemen and then the line STILL needs work. And I'd like to see Lamar Miller improve his blocking so he can get on the field more. The writing on the wall says Bush will be gone end of Season, so Miller needs to step up (because we don't need to be drafting a RB next year either). Lastly, I want to see at least ONE player on this team who is better next year (proving that the Philbin regime can develop players better than the last regime).

On Thomas' headstone, it shall read:

12 carries for 28 yards. 0 TDs.

Yeah, if it was the 80s we could hire Polian. Did you see the Colts roster last year? Absolutely pathetic. 37 new faces in that locker room...

As far as this Ireland fired v one more year debate, I could go either way with him. I know he's done some good and some bad. But to fire him after he drafts a Qb in the first round is a little harsh. I mean it's a little expected that the team would take a step back to take two steps forward later on. He's also done a good job of clearing cap space and getting draft picks for himself. Shouldn't he at least get a chance to see what he does with it?

Keep in mind I was firmly entrenched in the I hate Ireland camp before the most recent draft. I think he finally did waht needed to be doen for a long time for this franchise and thus should get the leeway to finish the job. For better or for worse.

WHDPs,

You criticize Ireland for his draft pick failures but you turn a bling eye to Polians. That makes a LOT of sense!

Because Philbin is 4-6. That's terrible.

- Listen, Don, I just found out that Warfield is available from Cleveland. - Go get him, right now!

Craig M...

I do hold Philbin acountable for his actions...he is definely setting a tone as a disiplinarian...and a micro-manager....

in year 3...we will be able to decide if this is the right or wron appraoch....

but right now...its just to soon to tell...Its like Greg Schanio in Tampa...he's WINNING...so he is the "hard-nose" football coach....

as soon as they lose a few games...he will be the "#ss-hole football coach who players can't relate to....

Lets ged rid of THIS GM...and hire one that is mondreinzed in his NFL thinking....

"And Bush is inconsistent and in the doghouse. We actually should add RB to our list of dire needs."

B Blair,

Absolutely. We need a starting RB. If Miller is not ready to be on the field this year I'm not sure how anyone can expect him to be our starter next year...

I like Miller's potential but how has Ireland addressed the needs of finding starters in the draft??? No starting RB, no starting TE or even a contributing TE, no starting WR or contributing WR since Hartline??? How does this guy still have a job again??? I'm sorry but some of you guys just don't get it on Ireland. He's not finding enough talent. Phiblin performed a miracle for the first seven games but the coaches can only do so much.

B Brian Blair,
You do ralize the roster he has right? You do realize this is his first year dealing with a past coaches roster right? You do realize he is known for DEVELOPING players right? That take more than one year. At the beginning of the year no picked us to finish with more than 4 wins.. well were there.. we had hopes of playoffs.. He has covered up this pile of crap roster for awhile but now the smell is getting out.

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