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Philbin playtime philosophy good but what about adapting?

A couple of weeks ago Washington Redskins coach Mike Shanahan, disgusted by the team's sixth loss of the season, mentioned that perhaps it was time to start playing younger players and think about who is going to be on the team in 2013.

A lot of coaches go that route once the losses mount and the current season seems little more than a formality for getting to next season.

Don't expect Joe Philbin to do that.

Even if the Dolphins lose on Sunday as the oddsmakers expect; indeed even with the Dolphins record falling back to 5-8, Philbin is apparently going to continue playing his veterans if he stays true to his philosophy.

“Really, play time’s based on players have to have earn play time and they earn it through what they do on the practice field<' Philbin said Thursday. "If players earn the opportunity to play, we’ll certainly play them whatever year they are, it doesn’t really matter to us what year they are.

"I’m a big believer… I think when you walk into the room with those guys, it’s not fair to play a guy, people have to earn their keep and I don’t care what year you’re in the league. Those guys that bust their tail every day, we’re not going to put somebody in the game that doesn’t deserve to be in the game or hasn’t earned an opportunity to be in the game."

I get it. This is a perfectly reasonable and fair approach.

Philbin wants tell his team that the only way to play is to practice well. He doesn't want to reward subpar practices. He wants to play guys that make him the most comfortable and the coaching staff gains that comfort level by watching what happens in practice.

It is a perfectly logical approach.

But ...

Football is a game of adaptation and not logic. The ball does not bounce logically. The best team does not always win. Good plans that logically should succeed often go awry. And the people that come out ahead are those that adapt quickest not those that offer the most logic.

Thus, the idea of sticking to the stated philosophy works when the season is salvagable and all things and the goal for the entire organization is winning in the present. But when winning in the present is no longer the most vital thing, when doing what is best for the future of the organization becomes more important, all that logic and unwavering philosophy about whomever practices best plays should be cast aside.

It is smart to adapt and consider that certain players who might not be the best in practice now might become your best performers in the future. The Dolphins obviously believe running back Lamar Miller is such a player.

He is a rookie. He has promise. But Reggie Bush and Daniel Thomas are both practicing better and obviously playing more because coaches are more comfortable with them, because they get more chances in practices and because Miller needs to improve his pass protection.

“I think he’s going to be a good football player in this league," Philbin said. "He’s got good instincts as a runner. He’s got good balance. He can catch the football. I think he has a chance to be a very good pass protector eventually too. I really do. He’s got good feet. He can bend. I’m excited about him.”

“I think he’s going to be a good football player in this league. He’s got good instincts as a runner. He’s got good balance. He can catch the football. I think he has a chance to be a very good pass protector eventually too. I really do. He’s got good feet. He can bend. I’m excited about him.” 

Well then, when the relevance of this season becomes what is going to happen next season, then the Dolphins coaches should consider putting those feet and all that bending ability to work. Like immediately.

Would that make Reggie Bush upset? Would it upset veterans?

Look, Bush was upset about sitting after that fumble against Tennessee, although he understands that's the business. He's not all that thrilled that the team has not had any contracts talks with his agent, although he understands that's the business.

He'd probably not be happy about giving up snaps to Miller, but he would understand that is the business.

Tight end Michael Egnew is in a similar situation as Miller. He's behind players that are better than he is today. Both Anthony Fasano and Charles Clay practice better than Egnew on most days -- be it in that they make fewer mistakes, or block better or make more catches.

But eventually the Dolphins need to know what they have in Egnew. They can't keep putting off the need to find a tight end to help rookie quarterback Ryan Tannehill in the red zone and down the seam of the defense.

Maybe Egnew isn't that guy. Maybe he is that guy. The point is we might soon need to get about the business of finding out.

Would that upset Fasano or Clay, either of whom might get fewer snaps in games? Maybe. But it wouldn't be an issue if they were more productive. If they were the sure answers, the Dolphins wouldn't have drafted Egnew and no one would even mention him. So ... next!

Now, I am only a journalist. I suppose the Dolphins coaching staff could ignore these suggestions. They could scoff at the idea of someone who doesn't know football like they do suggesting they start looking ahead with players that ar younger and need experience.

But, I remind you, Mike Shanahan three weeks ago was preparing to do the very thing I'm suggesting. And he's won two Super Bowl trophies as a head coach. And that's more than any Dolphins coach can say.

Checkmate.

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Yah, this is what I was wondering about in another thread. No plan survives contact with the enemy - does Philbin know that? Can he "display adaptability"?

Chad Henne will Lay The Smack Down at SunLife in 9 days.

Philbin = Cam C = Larry Coker = OLD WHITE SENILE MAN

Rhino.....I'm an Philbin supporter.....but I still felt this was worth a RE-POST....definitely some thing to consider....
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Read an interesting stat that the Dolphins are tied with Raiders for coaching changes (7). Brings me to Philbin. I don't see him lasting here. I questioned the hire from the jump. Looking back over his decisions since he has arrived, I have a hard time finding ones that are not head scratchers.

Hard Knocks was a real eye opener for me. I am not sure if I would feel the same way if I hadn't watched the show. Philbin clearly had a hand in all the player personnel moves. Nearly every decision he made has come back to bite us in the ass.

I am certain that he was a main force in getting rid of Brandon Marshall because of his attitude problem. Why then do you choose Chad Johnson to replace him? Now you gotten an attitude problem, with less ability and physical skills. If he was going to jettison Marshall, you don't replace him with Johnson.

Philbin gave the go ahead to trade Davis. Didn't like his attitude. Also thought that Smith was going to be a star based on his performance in camp. HELLO! He was covering Chad Johnson all camp, and well Chad Johnson really sucks. Is Davis a bit of an attitude? Yes. What 24 year old prima donna athlete isn't? He had all sorts of upside, and you cast him away because you didn't like him. Now what? You have the enigma that it Sean Smith, and a low 2nd round draft pick.

Pre season free agent signings. Braylon Edwards or whatever his name was that was out of football and then retired before the season? With a team that had such a lack at the position they were trying out Lacrosse players and bankers you'd think hum this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

In season okay. Lets see. Why not keep having our kicker who's sweet spot is anything under 42yards kick from 52. Does anyone who spends any sort of time following this team think Carpenter has it in him to hit consistently beyond 42yds. Why keep having him try?

Its the final drive. Dolphins need a stop so they can try to tie or win the game. So I guess to really fool the Patriots, lets not play our best pass rusher? While your at it lets also sit our LB to just to really fool you.

Do any of you truly feel that this coaching staff is going to be making great strides next year with whats leftover and what is brought in? What are we going to draft? Another Michael Agnew? Guys that all have "great attitudes." Is their faith that the Dolphins actually hit on two picks?

C'MON MAN!!!!!

Posted by: Rhino | December 07, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Just one issue with your post Mando. I'd like it to be known that I, and I ALONE (as far as I can tell) AM THE ONLY POSTER HERE PREDICTING MIAMI WINS THIS WEEKEND!

I'd like the credit when I'm proven right. Rose petals at my feet, crushed grapes, all of that.

Totally agree with, Armando. I get what Philbin is saying but I think as your circumstances change, so do your decisions. None of us have any clue what goes in practice during the week but it's clear that guys like Fasano and Bush/Thomas aren't contributing what perhaps they should be on Sunday. To me that says, 'time to see what other people can do'. If we were in the middle of a playoff push, I'd say 'play the vets' but we're not.

I just wonder if this attitude of 'you've got to show it in practice' is a 'crutch' that Philbin is using not to play the kids. I mean is he trying to tell us that guys like Miller and Egnew aren't working hard enough in practice? If that's the case, isn't that on the coaching staff to get these guys to work harder? Something doesn't add up and to me it reads 'Philibin is stuck in his ways and his beliefs'.

Rhino,

Excellent post. A lot of really good points. Thanks for re-posting, Kris. I have some of the similar concerns with Philbin too. But I'm prepared to give him more rope and more time to get this right. He's got a tough job ahead of him and while I don't agree with some of the decisions he's made, I think he needs to be given the time to follow out his plan. I didn't expect an immediate turnaround anyways, so I'm optimistic that he will grow as a HC as the team grows. That's all I can hang onto right now.

DC Dolfan: gotta say, if they couldn't beat the Rams in two tries, our situation isn't hopeless.

Dire, but not hopeless. Clean up our play vs. the Pats, and we could pull an upset. Mmmmaybe.

I'll get your rose petals ready.

Do any of you truly feel that this coaching staff is going to be making great strides next year with whats leftover and what is brought in? What are we going to draft? Another Michael Agnew? Guys that all have "great attitudes." Is their faith that the Dolphins actually hit on two picks?

C'MON MAN!!!!!

Posted by: Rhino | December 07, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Posted by: Kris | December 07, 2012 at 11:16 AM

So, first off, on the Marshall/Davis/Johnson stuff, people need to recognize a new HC has the right to form the team HE ENVISIONS. Get HIS players. Those guys didn't fit in his vision. And when they were sent packing for picks, that meant right THERE this was a throwaway Season. If Philbin does assemble a good team, that will be a PLUS (since he got picks that he was later able to cash in).

I agree with Carpenter and sitting Wake. Those were mistakes. EVERY new HC makes mistakes (see Bill Belichick in Cleveland). There's a learning curve for coaches as well as players. No one just comes in mistake-free. So that needs to be taken into account. What better year to make mistakes and learn from them than a throwaway year.

But, to answer Rhino's question, YES, I ABSOLUTELY expect this staff to make strides with what's leftover + what we get next year. They ALREADY made strides from Pre-Season. From what many expected from this team. So why wouldn't that continue. Unless you have zero confidence in Philbin. Which is fine, but it's negativity and not really reality.

2 Thing U are Saying Using Common Sense Is Bad.

And Just 2 Weeks Ago U were Screaming At Philbin For Using his Younger Players!

And Dashi Doesn't Understand U Guys! U Say Philbin Doesn't RESPECT HIS PLAYERS! Yet! When He Shows Reggie Respect! By Still Making Him The Starter! U Guys Complain!

Yes! Clay Should Start Over Fasano! But The Respect For His Veterans!! Is Important To Any Coach!!

Why Do U Think!! He Told The 3 Captains!! If The Team Has A Problem! To Talk To Them! And That the 4 of Them Can Have a Meeting Every Week! And Talk About It!!

CHAIN OF COMMAND!!

For As Much!! AS U GUYS LOVE TO CRITICZE JUST TO HATE!!

Philbin Is Managing His Players Psyching Right!

AGAIN! HE IS NO SPO!!

Kris (from the last blog),


You and I have disagreed with this many times. I'm not a Mallett fan, as you know. I don't believe he was a first round QB and I'm saying that based on his talent, not his off the field issues. He's just not what I want in a QB. This is a QB starved league. We see guys with 'character' issues drafted all the time. You guys like Gabbert and Ponder and even a 29 year old guy like Weeden drafted in the first round, when really they should be drafted later. GMs are looking for that diamond in the rough. You and I disagree on this. I don't believe Mallett's that guy. There was enough info on Mallett for Ireland to make an educated decision on this guy. I think for you to say this is one of the reasons he should be shown the door is really just bringing your won bias into the decision. It's yet to be shown he was wrong. 31 other GMS passed on this guy TWICE. There's a reason for that. We'll continue to agree to disagr

* But Respect For

I read in some article yesterday...by some author who I can't remember.....

"that if the 49ers don't get a 1st rd bye and a home playoff game....they will look back @ the 147 minutes they wasted against the Rams as the reason the reason why they may not make the SB"....

I'm paraphrasing.....but it makes sense....

Could we worse fellas.....we could be the Raiders.

What a SADSACK organization they are. From trading a 1st and a 2nd for Palmer, to drafting Heyward-Bey top ten, to the wrong move of drafting Rolando McClain. Got rid of a couple of their high draft CBs for nothing. The list goes on and on. They're a study on 'How not to do things'.

From The Last Blog.

Kris,

I was All For a QB LAST DRAFT ALSO!! BUT HANDING SPORANO ANOTHER ROOKIE QB TO DESTROY!! IS UNCALLED FOR!! SPORANO ALREADY HAD 2-2nd Round QB'S!!! REMEMBER WHITE WAS ALL SPORANO!! WE COULD HAVE WENT WR!! BUT SPORANO WANTED A QB FOR HIS WILDCAT!!

SPO WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH A QB!! AND LAST YEAR SPORANO SAID IT FROM THE START!! HE IS GOING TO RIDE HIS HORSE TILL IT DIES!!

Look At The Jets!! That QB Dilemma Reeks Of Sporano!! Sanchez Should No Longer be Starting!

True Craig M....

Palmer looked AFUL last night.....and I was in the tank for him.....

Palmer = McNabb.....another guy I was in the tank for as well.....lol.....

Dashi....

It stinks more than you know....

Henne is in the PRESS saying that Sporano tried to recruit him.....got to do wonders for Sanchez's psyche....

Rex will fire him 1 MINUTE after the season ends to save his job.....

Kris,

Well we can't get them right all the time. You're record is slipping and falling into my 'dangerously wrong' zone. We'll be down at bill connors prediction level before you know it....LOL.

Kris, from the last blog, I really took it upon myself to try to judge Irleand more fairly - without emotion when assessing what he had done in his drafts (all 5 - not on "his own" or whatever). And more precisely tried to see what he had done in the first and second rounds (which I consider the money rounds and when you should be collecting valuable talent). The results surprised me - I found that only four or five more teams have collected more starters that are still with the team. In addition, I gave each starter a point system based on how valuable I deem their position (i.e. and interior offensive lineman would be worth less than an offensive tackle, and a qb would be worth more than any other position), I then assigned even more points to pro bowlers. Anyways, the point value I assigned to Miami can be debated to death but in my eyes, I found that he had done a pretty good job in the most important part of the draft. Now granted the grade is greatly affected by jake's four pro bowls and drafting Tannehill last year when the book is still out on him.

However, one finding can'tbe argued, that is how few pro bowlers were selected in the first two rounds during this five year period - 35. Granted, this number will definitely increase after this season - but still 35 told me one thing. The vast majority of pro bowlers are vets which Miami sorely lacks. Our only players of note over 28 are Starks, Soliai, Wake, and Incognito. Mostly grunts except for Wake. No game changers in the vet lot other than 91.

So even though I started this study in order to assess Ireland - and I did gain some comfort there with him, I also learned something about the NFL, you need continuity in your players as well as coaches and GMS. You need your good vets to stick around to be successful.

Now Ireland's contributions to me go on beyond the first two rounds. he got one pro bowler as an undrafted free agent in Wake - not exactly common. in addition - it looks like he found one in a 5th rounder in R. Jones. he also found a very good player in 4th rounder Hartline. however, despite these contributions, the Miami Dolphinsare still being held back by two factors - one - acceptable Qb play and two - top end vet players.

Total BS again. You play the players that give you the best chance to win. You don't put in someone that has not proven in practice that they can do it. Miller had a few chances and that is fine, but if he can't protect then you are putting your QB at risk, just to see if Miller can play! Not worth it, same goes for Egnew, if he can't stay in and block to help the line then what good is it to play him if he is going to get someone hurt? Common sense tells you that if they are not doing it in practice then there is not much chance they can do it in a game. This team is not going to tank games just to find out what they have in a player. They can see in practice that they are not the best ones to have out there, so play your best players period! If I was a player and I got pulled to let a worse player then me in the game just so they could get some time I would be pissed.

As far as what Shanahan said he might do, I'm sure that was just talk, because he did not do it. Maybe he was just trying to get is starters to step up?

P.S. Kris, so to conclude if you want to roast Ireland for not finding good Qb play, that's fair but I think he's done a fair job in filling out the rest of the roster. We are still feeling the pains of incompetence from Muller and Cameron, Saban, and even Wannstedt in a lot of respects too.

No joke, Ireland and co did take over an expansion team that was scorched earth when he got here.

DC,

If We Do Win! Dashi Will Go With Ur Score 17-14!

We Should Be Able To Score Two TD's At Least!

AGAIN! IT WAS T-HILL'S FIRST TIME GOING AGAINST THE EVIL GENIUS!! AND THE FINS MANAGED TO PUT UP 16 POINTS!

And By The 4th Qtr The Fins Were Starting To Move The Ball More Efficiently!

Dashi...

The PATS were playing PREVENT DEFENSE.....

c'mon man......

anybody that saw that game knew the PATS were in control from the 1st 3 and OUT.....

This game was NEVER in doubt....a 7 point lead on the FINS in the 2nd half might as well be a 21 PT lead.....

NE is the 26 RANKED defense in YARDAGE.....and we still barely got 250 yards on them.....

This Talent is bad....this team is SLOW....

Dahsi, are you some sort of blind homer? NE has one of the worst defense in the NFL and we only scored 16 pts!! And you think we can put up 17pt against one of the best defenses in the NFL. We'll be lucky to score 6 pts this game. SMH

Philbin is as bad as Cam Cameron. Just outmatched as an NFL HC.

Kris,

I totally agree with your above point on the Pats game. At NO point did I think the Dolphins had a chance to win on Sunday and NE didn't play their best game. The score flattered us to be honest. The meaningless FG at the end of the game made the game seem closer than it was.

Now I get it! It is all so clear now! The guy running the show in Miami wants them to win in practice. Practice! Practice? We're talking about practice! Practice? As they keep losing games and seasons, you know the one that actually count, we can hang our hat on the fact that the coach places more emphasis on practice. Not scouting, not games, practice!

I love that field goal at the end of the game, fukked everyone who put money on the Pats!!

PREDICTION:


WE'LL STINK AGAIN NEXT YEAR!!

Kris,
The Dolphins and Jets called Henne on the first day of free agency.
He was already in J'ville with Seattle scheduled as his 2nd visit.
J'ville signed him to $3mil/yr + $3mil signing bonus 4 hours after FA started.

The Dolphins were b lindsided when Henne left.

The QB job did not go cleanly from Henne to Tanne.
It went from Henne to Peyton to Orton to Flynn to Garrard to Tanne. Tanne was drafted because no free agent including Henne would sign here.

Still need a QB.

Mark.....

It seems without a doubt that you put some SERIOUS research in to Irelands draft picks....

I want to give you an equally thought out response.....so I will take some time to get my thoughts together....and put them down in such a manner that is worthy of your research....

but I will tell but this....my argument will start and end with the WIN/LOSS column....cause that to me is where talent ultimately reveals itself....

Mark @11:39 Great Post!

Dashi has Been Preaching Ireland Over That Last 5 Years! Has Drafted Better! Even With his Blunders! It Is Just the Roster Was Bare When Ireland and Tuna Took Over! OUT OF THE 53 Players On The Roster! 51!! Have Been Brought In!! By IRELAND!! THAT IS A AVERAGE OF ALMOST 10 NEW PLAYERS A YEAR!! AND ABOUT 4-5 Rookies! A Season! THE FINS HAVE A GOOD YOUNG CORE GOING FORWARD!!

THE 2012 FINS!! ARE A BETTER TEAM GOING FORWARD!! THAN THE 11-5 2008 TEAM!! TOP TO BOTTOM!

To Give Just One Example! The PATS HAVE WASTED 3 HIGH 2nd Round Picks On CB's! In The Last 2-3 Years!! And They Have All Been Bust! McCourtney Had 1 Good Year! Dowling? D.Butler?

What Has The 2011 #33 Player Selected R.Dowling Done For The Pats? 8 Tackles For His Career! What About D.Butler? He is With The Colts! And The Pats Got Nothing In Return!!

Heck Ireland's 7th ROUND PICK!! HAS DONE BETTER THAN BB'S SECOND ROUND PICK!!

Ross was too cheap to pay Matt Flynn.

And perhaps if they put the ball in Tannehill's hands more in that game instead of continually running neagtive run plays into the strength of the New England's defense, we may have scored more. Or me have turned the ball over 3 times ... point is we never know because Sherman surrendered this game in order to protect his rookie QB and left tackle.

Mark,

It fukked me. I was 6 of 8 on my picks last weekend. The FG at the end was one of my losses and the dumb Jets player who fell down at the 1 instead of going into the end zone was the other. That's how my luck's been going lately.

Kris, taht is more than fair, however I would ask this one question. Would it be fair to have expected the Carolina Panthers, Jacksonville Jaguars, or the Houston Texans, to be perennial powers in their first five years of operations. A lot of things have to go your way for this to happen. I know the first two had their moments but were unable to sustain it.

Sorry Dashi...GOT TO RE-POST THIS.....its where I I was going next....but Clue already put it out there....

SAN FAN is the Leagues 2nd best D...and you THINKus to score MORE points.....than we did on the 26 RANKED D.....lol....

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Dahsi, are you some sort of blind homer? NE has one of the worst defense in the NFL and we only scored 16 pts!! And you think we can put up 17pt against one of the best defenses in the NFL. We'll be lucky to score 6 pts this game. SMH

Posted by: Clue | December 07, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Craig, sorry but it serves you right!!

Mark.....LOL.

Kris, made this point with you yesterday. You want to get rid of Ireland because of won/loss record. Just not realistic to have expected this team to have success this year. It was never about THIS year. Too many changes.

I'll also point out that you want to get rid of Ireland because of won/loss record but you want to hire a GM who's team is 4-8 right now. Seems a bit inconsistent, no?

Kris.

U say the Pats Were Playing PREVENT the LAST DRIVE! Cool! What About The Drive Before That!

T-Hill ONLY HAD 2 DRIVES IN THE 4TH QTR!! A 12 Play 65 Yard Drive! And The 5 Play 56 Yard Drive!! When The Pats Were Playing "PREVENT"! (WHEN HAS BB EVER PLAYED PREVENT?)

Kris,

Dashi Saw The Same Game Everyone Saw!!

T-Hill Has been Doing a Better Job Throughout The Season! Of Getting Better in The Second Half!! Of Games!

U Can Tell He IS LEARNING THROUGHOUT THE GAME!! AND IS FIXING THE PROBLEMS! DURING GAMES!!

AGAIN!! IF DANSBY AND HIS DEFENSE!! DIDN'T GIVE UP!! 2 12+ Play Drives To END THE GAME!! THE SCORE WOULD'VE BEEN EVEN CLOSER!!

WE MIGHT HAVE EVEN WON THE GAME!!

OH AND WHEN IS DANSBY AND THE DEFENSE GOING TO STOP ALLOWING TD'S AFTER A MISTAKE!! EVERY F'ING TIME!! WHEN THE FINS NEED A REAL STOP!!

OK! Wilson Ran Into The Kicker!! They were Still Multiple Times On That Drive Where They Could have Made The Pats Punt Again!! That Is Not On T-Hill!! THE PATS HAD 10 MORE PLAYS ON THAT DRIVE AFTER WILSON RAN INTO THE KICKER!!

AND IF DANSBY WOULD'VE CALLED A AUDIBLE ON THE LAST PLAY OF THAT DRIVE FROM A ALL OUT BLITZ!! TO A HOT READ ON HERNANDEZ HIS GUY!! (That Whole Drive Any Time a Player for The Pats Motioned In!! IT WAS A F'ING SCREEN!! With Welker Or Hernandez!) We Could've Stopped Them To A FG!! AFTER THE PREVIOUS 12 PLAYS!!

Kris,

I also take exception to your notion that Ireland drafting Tannehill was 'self-preservation'. Sorry but I think nothing could be further from the truth. I think this was a joint decision between Sherman and Philbin and Ireland. I believe if Sherman and/or Tannehill didn't want this guy he wouldn't be a Dolphin. He is and while it's on Ireland that this be right, the other two had a hand in it too.

YES!! T-HILL has 12 Picks!

But So Do 16 Other Teams!

And If U Were To Tell DASHI That T-Hill Would Be In The Middle Of The Pack! With The Chance To End The Season Top 10 In That CATEGORY!! STARTING THE WHOLE YEAR!! Dashi Would Say T-Hill's Season Was A Success!

WE ALL KNOW TD'S WERE GOING TO BE HARD TO COME BY FOR T-HILL!!

And If U Look At It T-Hill Has Had More Games With ZERO INTS THAN HE HAS WITH 2 OR MORE INT!! NOT BAD FOR A ROOKIE WITH NO WR'S TO THROW TO!! GOING AGAINST 11 IN THE BOX ON ALMOST EVERY PLAY!!

Posted by: Harmel | December 07, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Clueless poster.. Ifyou know anything about football the GM didnt offer him that much. The reason he didnt offer him that much was so we didnt have a back up as our QB. $9 million a year to sit on the bench in Seattle.. Wilson is good but if you are getting paid 9 million a year you should be able to beat out a rookie.. please remotely look at any aspect of football before you post.. Im not always right but atleast I have a grasp of what I am talking about..

Dashi Is With Craig On That Since Philbin & Co. Came Aboard! It Is More Of A Joint Decision!

If U Remember When They Were Holding Workouts On HK. Ireland Would Ask Philbin For His Input! And Philbin Would Always Tell Him! He Would Get Back To Him Because He Needs To Sit With His Coaches To Make The Decision! Philbin Sits At The Head Of The Table! But His Right And Left Hand Man(Sherm & Coyle)! Have A Lot To Say!! And So Do The Position Coaches! THIS IS THE WAY THE DOLPHIN ORGANIZATION IS WORKING NOW!

WE ALL KNEW SPORANO GAVE NO INPUT!! HE HAD SOME INPUT!! BUT HE GAVE NONE!!

Kris,

Just further to my earlier point, I think taking Tannehill at 8 was the right move, whether he turns out be the guy or not. I think we're all tired of this team passing on first round QBs time after time and we see these guys going on to have success other places. It was the right move and was very likely overdue.

Tannehill is playing like an 8th rder not an 8th pick!!

Sorry Dashi...

You can RELEGATE your perspective to INTERCEPTIONS if you want to.....but I am looking @ the total PICTURE....

you know....

TD
YARDS
INTS
ABILITY to make the defense play the Offense HONESTLY.....

4th Q/ OVERTIME comebacks......


WINS

you know....the little stuff....

Tanne is 20th in QBR with 49.7....

His contemporaries....you know...his DRAFT MATES....

Griffen...73.6...4th oin the NFL...

Luck..71.6....6th in the NFL.....

BUT Kris....you can't compare him to those guys...ITS NOT FAIR.....lol.....

R. Wilson....65.3....11th in the NFL.....


SO stay in your box Dashi.....pick out the ONE stat doesn't necessarily HELP you're argument....it just doesn't hurt it to bad either.....

Will you're next post be about Tanne's HIGH SELF-ESTEEM cause his wife is cute.....another wonderful argument made by the TALKING HEADS on the box......

I'm not saying Tanne is...or is NOT a bust.....

I'm saying THIS IS WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW......

and you got to deal with it.....

Thanks Anderson, I'll be waiting at 7:30pm Sunday.

Everyone should read Dashi's excellent post at 11:26. I agree. There's some hypocrisy going on. First, people were up in arms with the benching of Bush. Now, they're up in arms because Philbin isn't playing the lesser experienced back. Don't get positions twisted. QBs NEED experience. RBs come into the league all the time and look like vets (Trent Richardson, Chris Johnson, etc.). Miller will get his chance, that's why they're letting Bush go.

Egnew, I believe, is a bust (no, don't know for sure, just speculating). I think he doesn't get on the field because he has zero abilities. That was a waste of a pick (is my speculation). And Philbin realized it, and isn't wasting time with him. If we pick a TE in the upcoming Draft, then my speculation will be proven right.

Also, JUST YESTERDAY, some here were saying, "Philbin shouldn't be adapting, he should stick to his formula since he knows that works" (paraphrasing). Now people are asking why Philbin's not adapting. He's not adapting on this because he's setting his rules on the team. He wants players to practice like they play. And he's rewarding guys for practicing hard. See Kobe Bryant, who's one of the hardest practicers there is. That cannot be adapted, since it's a core belief of Philbin's. Now, in-game management should be adaptable (per situation), but that's another conversation.

Kris, I agree with you, Dashi is wrong, the stats speak for its self Tannehill has been the worst starting rookie QB and its not even close, Im not calling him a bust yet but some of you need to check to see if youve been lobotomized if you think Tannehill play has been good/great/ok.

Craig, I never said anything about getting rid of Ireland. But if I wanted to be onjective about it, the only basis one would have in getting rid of him is his inability to solve the QB position. The fact that the roster is not exactly lined with pro bowlers is not all his fault. he's actually done a fair job in his five years in having pro bowlers (Long, Pouncey, Wake, Soliai - I know he didn't draft Soliai but had plenty of reasonable opportunity to get rid of him and didn't), and there are several others that are on the fringe of being pro bowlers (hartline, Jones, Smith).

I think with this current roster, if he could get good QB play, nobody would be saying anything about getting rid of Ireland.

Kris & Craig M.

We have Philbin, barring any sort of dismal end of this year beginning of next year. You are both correct and I agree that Philbin is here. Its his philosophy. He wants his guys. I believe any coach would.

I believe that good/great coaches adapt to the cards they are dealt. Maybe I was spoiled watching Shula all those years. Going from a ground it out conservative, defense oriented team to Air Marino. He adjusted his philosophy. Played to his strengths, and the Dolphins continued to win. He made his share of mistakes. Everyone does. Which outweighs the other?

Call me crazy, but if I have a player that I have no interest in keeping maybe I play him anyway. I do a bit of showcasing to other teams what this guy can do, setting up a potential off season or draft day trade. I think this organization throws too many guys away when perhaps they can get something in return.

Its clear the Colts got one over on us because they got a really good, young corner, and we have a very low draft pick.

I don't know if you guys are old enough to remember Jim "Crash" Jensen. An example of what a great coach does.

I wouldnt give that cheap SOB Ross a dime of my money. He doesnt care about winning ita all about suckering the fans and his rich celebs.

Also, am I the only one here who watches football? So, some guys think because we had a poor offensive showing against a weaker defense one week that will carry over into the next with a stronger defense? WHAT WORLD do you people live on?

Anyone see the Skins/Giants game? Anyone see the Seattle/Pats game? Anyone see the Ravens/Steelers game? Unexpected things happen EVERY WEEK in the NFL. Any team can beat any other team on ANY. GIVEN. WEEK. FACT!

People making 49ers out to be some scary team. Didn't look so great vs. Giants earlier in the Season. Didn't look so great vs. Rams last week. QB is questionable. Defense is good, I'll give it to you, but so is ours (if they play like last week).

This will NOT be a Jets v. 49'ers type of game, mark my words. Whatever happens, it will be a battle, a tough game. 49'ers can't score at will, that gives us a chance 100 times out of 100.

Rhino,

I'll disagree with your comment above. I don't consider Davis to be a 'good young corner'. I think we robbed them on that trade and I think time will show that. We got a 'very low draft pick'? When did a second round pick become a 'very low draft pick'? I'd do that trade again in a second. Davis is nothing if not inconsistent. Tons of talent but I don't think he'll ever put it all together. We'll see.

Rhino, I disagree on teh good/great coaches adapt to the cards they are dealt. Good/great OC/DC have to adapt because they have less pull on personnel. Coaches get jobs bc of their scheme/system. I'd rather have Philbin waste a year and get guys that can play his style, than have Philbin adapt to 3 yards and a cloud of dust style.

This year is just growing pains. Plain and simple.

Clue,, in all fairness, Tannehill has outperformed his closest competition in the draft in Weeden. I remember a couple of people trumpeting Wilson but the vast majority wanted either Tannehill, Weeden, or Cousins.

And Dashi is right, Tannehill's INT numbers are not bad. he needs to get more volume to his game - i.e. he needs to do what he shows flashes of more often and he will be fine.

And before a lot of people here get off their knees for Wilson do a deeper dig on his numbers. he's not asked to do a whole lot in that Seattle offense. That is clearly Lynch's offense. In Miami, they put a lot more on the QB.

DC,

Awful early to say Egnew is a bust. He's a THIRD round pick and he hasn't been allowed to show what he can do on the field. What I don't get is, was Philbin not onside with this pick? I mean if he doesn't like the guy, why the Hell did we draft him? If he has shortcomings as a player why take him? We would have been MUCH better to have drafted a third round WR who could be helping us right now. There were lots of good guys still there. The logic behind the inner working is a mystery to me.

I think Philbin has his theory as to when rookies play. We can argue what's right and what's wrong but it's Philbin's show. If at the end of the day the results aren't there he'll have ot be held responsible, like every HC in the NFL.

Hasn't Vontae missed more time than he's played in Indy? Maybe because he came to amp out of shape?? Is this joker someone you want to rely on??

Another good post Rhino. Look, I still think Philbin's way better than Sparano. But some of the stuff Philbin does....well, it's just not good coaching. I sincerely hope that Philbin critiques his own performance in the offseason. Look, we all want the best for Miami, that's why we have these conversations, right?

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