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Dimitri Patterson is a starter, could be a find

The Dolphins are clearly pleased with the work Dimitri Patterson did last weekend when he was thrust into a starter role against Buffalo because the cornerback is on course for his second consecutive start Sunday -- even as Nolan Carroll is practicing and probably capable of playing against the Patriots.

Patterson is at his post with the starters today and he's teamming with Sean Smith, who is back practicing at his usual starting cornerback spot after missing practice Wednesday.

I, for one, am not prepared to annoint Patterson a find yet. He played one game. The Cleveland Browns knew him much better and for a greater period of time before deciding to waive him.

But Patterson was very good against the Bills. And if he performs on the same level against the Patriots, who happen to have a top 5 passing attack, then the Dolphins can go into the offseason confident that they have a candidate for a starting job next year that they didn't have only two weeks ago.

In other practice news:

Randy Starks was absent against today, presumably as he continues to deal with the passing of his mom.

Davone Bess (back) missed practice again today and his chances to play Sunday seem grim.

Koa Misi, who missed practice Wednesday, worked at least on a limited basis Thursday.

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So Mark,
That stats a bit deceiving, since it's bring defence into the equation too. Our D has done a good job of shutting the other team down all year.
I guess all I'm saying is, while Hartline has to take some of the blame (he should have caught the bomb to him Sunday for a TD, as an example), I believe there are other factors why he only has 1 TD.

Great hopefully we have a Corner who can teach some SS how not to geat beat for TD's all the time

DC (from the last blog),

We're seeing things the same way as far as Clemmons is concerned. I'll admit he's played better the last few games but it's still not what I want from the position. I'd say his game has risen to average and I want more from the position. I'm still seeing the one or two mistakes per game that you're seeing too. He was very lucky in the NE game that Welker dropped the pass in the end zone.

I still want to see this position upgraded and I think that it can be. After pass rush, WR, and TE, this is the next priority for me.

This is where I judge him by the competition he was against. Fitzpatrick was dreadful last week. Let's see Dimitri play well vs. a QB who will put the ball in the perfect spot pretty much every time. That means being in place to make a play (and even still coming up short). One play was a PI, which WILL get called when the Pats play (since they get almost every call).

But I agree, he looked good last week. I wonder if the Browns system just didn't work to his strengths.

Yeah Craig, not sure what the heck Croyle/Philbin are seeing to praise him like that (I think it was one of them). Unless it's inspiration. Funny who they choose to praise. They praised Thomas beginning of year, but not Bush/Miller (until recently). Their scorecard is a bit different than mine.

On another note, that Binns guy seems to be a nice addition too. Caught some balls, one was a difficult catch too. I'm not anointing him Andre Johnson or anything. But as a #3,4,5 WR, he ain't all that bad. But that gets to Ireland's preseason statement saying the team is full of lower WRs, just don't have any upper-echelon guys.

DC @1:09pm,

AGAIN, thanks how I see things again. When I read Armando's post I immediately thought, 'OK, let's see what he does against a true test like Brady'. I'll reserve judgement on the guy until I see more.

Mando just put mouth on the guy too. Now he DEFINITELY gets targeted. Thanks Mando, as if Dimitri didn't have enough on his plate, now he has to fight the bad juju you just put on him.

Good little Greek boy that Dimitri!

anyway Craig, I hear what you're trying to say but if we are putting weighted averages on who's more responsible for that 1td stat for hartline, I say it's at least 70% his fault. I mean how else do you explain the Dolphins being rather efficient in scoring TDs and that a guy like Fasano has five???

1 is unacceptable and it's mostly on him. I still like him though but I'm not making excuses for that stat. It's a flaw in his game and he must improve on it. I'm not ready to do a Brandon marshall and blame everyone else except him.

What's up guys? Happy Holidays.

Hartline,

He's a decent player but the worst of the 1000 yard recievers in the league. If not for 1 monster game he isn't a 1000 yard WR. He has 1 TD and also the least catches for 1st down out of all the 1000 yard WRs this year.

Think I'm going Jays shopping in the next few days, Mark. Time to get behind this team again. Been a while since I've bought any Jays stuff but I must say that watching some of the stuff from '92 they are showing has brought back some good memories.

By the way, is Dimitri from the Danforth area of TO?....LOL.

AndyNJ, so would you resign him?

I just want to make certain I understand what guys are saying. To the guys that are criticizing Hartline, are you saying he wouldn't be a good number two or three on this team? Isn't part of the problem you have a QB who is still finding his way and really there aren't any other threats other than Hartline? This guy was never drafted to be a number one but that's the role he finds himself in, very often double-teamed.

Wouldn't he be more effective if teams had a true number one to worry about on the team?

Hartline,

He's a decent player but the worst of the 1000 yard recievers in the league. If not for 1 monster game he isn't a 1000 yard WR. He has 1 TD and also the least catches for 1st down out of all the 1000 yard WRs this year.

Andy,

Worst of the 1000 yard WR's??? How many are there in the NFL this year???

The biggest offseason priority will be signing Bush long term.

Are guys also saying that Hartline would have 1 TD if Tom Brady were his QB.....cause I think we'll find out if the Dolphins don't get a deal done with him.

I just want to make certain I understand what guys are saying. To the guys that are criticizing Hartline, are you saying he wouldn't be a good number two or three on this team? Isn't part of the problem you have a QB who is still finding his way and really there aren't any other threats other than Hartline? This guy was never drafted to be a number one but that's the role he finds himself in, very often double-teamed.

Wouldn't he be more effective if teams had a true number one to worry about on the team?

Craig,

I don't get the naysayers. We're talking about a player that is set to double his production in terms of catches & yards from last year with a rookie QB!!!

Craig, I like Hartline. Valuable as a chunk yard receiver. His avg per catch testifies to that. However, I'm just saying he needs to improve in his red zone and making the tough catch for a first as Andy pointed out. In other words this guy is very much Alvin Harper of the old Cowboys team. Big plays but not a red zone threat. Good #2 and that's how he should get paid.

As far as the Blue Jays, noticed them airing the 92 clincher on TV yesterday. I'm skeptical because these teams thrown together seem to fall apart. But I'm hopeful at the same time.

That 92 team was so special. Loved that team more than any other.

What good are stats if you dont score TD's?? Hartline 1 TD in 15 games is exandable. Im assuming because Hartline is a white WRs many of your are emotionally attached to him.

Hartline is 15th in the NFL in yards. Ahead of Michael Crabtree & Stevie Johnson who are both supposed to be Number 1's so if Hartline is not a very good Number 2 WR I don't know what is.

Craig, I like Hartline. Valuable as a chunk yard receiver. His avg per catch testifies to that. However, I'm just saying he needs to improve in his red zone and making the tough catch for a first as Andy pointed out. In other words this guy is very much Alvin Harper of the old Cowboys team. Big plays but not a red zone threat. Good #2 and that's how he should get paid.

Mark,

What's the going rate for a good Number 2??? My guess is that it's probably between $5 & $6 Million which is what I think he'll make next year.

What good are stats if you dont score TD's?? Hartline 1 TD in 15 games is exandable. Im assuming because Hartline is a white WRs many of your are emotionally attached to him.

Realist,

Seriously...You're an idiot.

WHDPs,

Yeah I'm just not sure what guys expect from Hartline. Comes to work every Sunday and goes hard. I don't see him pulling a lot of the diva crap that a lot of WRs do. He's had a great year and he should be paid accordingly. We made this mistake with a guy named Welker before. He wasn't doing nearly the things here that he's been doing in NE. I think you pay Hartline what he deserves to be paid and you add in the draft and maybe add a guy like Jennings, depending on what he wants.

Mark, not a fan of throwing teams together either. We saw how that worked for the Eagles last year.

Realist,

Yeah I gotta agree with WHDPs....you're an IDIOT!!....but I think you know that because you've likely been told that many times. We're on here sharing opinions on guys and you play the race card???....how dumb are you? For one, you have no clue what colour any of us are on here.

Dumbest comment on here in a very long time...

Craig M, please enjouy you 20 degree blizard weather while I sip maragrita in 75 degree weather on the beach. Ahhhhhhh smell that its called beach fresh air unlike you whos freezing to death you punk beeatch

WHDP, its just my opinion, Im not so sure why many of your are so quick to crtisize someone opionion.

Yeah I'm just not sure what guys expect from Hartline. Comes to work every Sunday and goes hard. I don't see him pulling a lot of the diva crap that a lot of WRs do. He's had a great year and he should be paid accordingly. We made this mistake with a guy named Welker before. He wasn't doing nearly the things here that he's been doing in NE. I think you pay Hartline what he deserves to be paid and you add in the draft and maybe add a guy like Jennings, depending on what he wants.

Craig,

Great player with a great attitude. If Philbin wants Jennings then that's enough for me. No one seems to give Philbin credit for not signing & overpaying for Matt Flynn. I guess he knew something there...

On the TD thing, not sure I put the onus on Hartline. The play-calling down there (for ALL the WRs) has been abysmal. They are the last choice for Sherman. He looks Bush/Fasano first, then Clay or some play to Lane. Or else tries to run it in. But I haven't seen to many good plays to WRs from the red zone. Like that Welker slant TD in our game (maybe they were playing someone else). Brady read the defense, went to the slant, TD Welker. Those are the plays that work for a shorter, quicker WR down there. Not the fade to the back corner they keep trying and failing on.

You keep Hartline, get a A.J. Green-type bigger, fast guy on the other side, and watch how valuable Hartline becomes. Of course, that should have happened with Marshall last few years, but I'll put that on Sparano and the stupid offensive scheme (for Hartline's sake).

WHDP, I don't know what that rate is but considering Hartline's age and character, he should probably be at the top or close to the top of that list. I think he signs for $6M in a heartbeat (no pun intended). That's an awful lot of money for him. I think they can snag him for $5M and perhaps even $4m if there's a big chunk guranteed and longer term. But WTH is a mill between friends???

WHDP, its just my opinion, Im not so sure why many of your are so quick to crtisize someone opionion.

Realist,

Once you bring a guy's skin color into the equation you have crossed the f#cking line. Okay???

WHDP, I don't know what that rate is but considering Hartline's age and character, he should probably be at the top or close to the top of that list. I think he signs for $6M in a heartbeat (no pun intended). That's an awful lot of money for him. I think they can snag him for $5M and perhaps even $4m if there's a big chunk guranteed and longer term. But WTH is a mill between friends???

Mark,

I read somewhere that earlier in the season when Hartline got off to a fast start that Ireland offered him an extension for $3.5 Million a year & he was furious!!! His agent had to calm him down & tell him it was 'not personal.'

If they're not willing to give him AT LEAST $5 Million I don't believe there's anything to discuss.

Patterson's biggest qualification is that he was an acorn therefore he was immediately moved to the top of the depth chart.

I just did a quick search and the 10th highest cap hit for a WR at $7.6M in 2012. Unfortunately this is a pay site that i don't subscribe to so it's tough to figure out the cap hit (salary + bonus) of the 15th to 20th WRS (where Hartline should be paid). But around $6M indeed looks like the market. Oh well, sign the cheque - he's earned it.

What about the idea of putting a restricted tag on Hartline, let him test the waters and if someone makes a contract offer we have the chance to match it? That way he can see what his value truly is and we dont over pay. Or did they throw that out with the new CBA?

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/cap-hit/wide-receiver/

WHDP, given the little superficial research I just did, you're probably right. @ 2:23

That 10th highest cap hit for a WR is Devin hester by the way. Ooof!!!

On the TD thing, not sure I put the onus on Hartline. The play-calling down there (for ALL the WRs) has been abysmal. They are the last choice for Sherman. He looks Bush/Fasano first, then Clay or some play to Lane. Or else tries to run it in. But I haven't seen to many good plays to WRs from the red zone. Like that Welker slant TD in our game (maybe they were playing someone else). Brady read the defense, went to the slant, TD Welker. Those are the plays that work for a shorter, quicker WR down there. Not the fade to the back corner they keep trying and failing on.

You keep Hartline, get a A.J. Green-type bigger, fast guy on the other side, and watch how valuable Hartline becomes. Of course, that should have happened with Marshall last few years, but I'll put that on Sparano and the stupid offensive scheme (for Hartline's sake).

DC,

You raise an interesting point--where are the slant passes in this offense??? Especially when we started a game sluggish & needed a jump start???

I just hope that Sherman was calling the games 'close to the vest' this year b/c Tannehill was a rookie. There was not a whole lot of originality or imagination in the play calling.

This is what it has come to for the dolphins. Everyone makes assessments based on play against some of the worst teams in the league. How about we judge whether a player is good on or not based on how they play against real good teams! Just a crazy thought!

WHDP, slant patterns = batted balls????

Hartline is a keeper...Yes he only has 1 TD but get a true #1WR and a TE that can fly and Hartline will get his share of TDs...I mean, him and Tannehill have good chemistry with each other and we'll just let him go?? That doesn't make any sense...Pay the man you cheap bast****...I remember a time when most of the free agents wanted to come to Miami...Man times have changed...This franchise doesn't want to spend money anymore...And they better re-sign Reggie Bush...He's a fan favorite for God Sake...Do you want people in your stadium or not???

"That 10th highest cap hit for a WR is Devin hester by the way. Ooof!!!"

Mark,

That's a bad contract. Do the Bears even use him in the offense anymore???

Ross, if you want fans in your stadium, you better start spending some $$$...Signing Mike Wallace would be a good start...Enough with being cheap...Fans are tired of it...

For all you folks that want to pay Hartline like a big time WR, it ain't gonna happen. There isn't a coach on the Dolphins or a coach in the league who thinks Hartline is a number 1 guy. So bottom line is he is not getting paid like a number one guy.

The root word of term Free Agent is "Free".
As in Free to go to a contender and get paid.
Seattle/NE/SF/GB can all find a place for Hartline and Reggie Bush.

"WHDP, slant patterns = batted balls????"

Mark,

Just for the element of surprise on a first down when teams are expecting a run. I can't remember Tannehill throwing one....

dolffnman, nobody said to pay him like a #1 guy...He deserves a good #2 pay check...He's earned it...And he'll only get better...

Hartline is riding the bench on 30 other teams. But if the idiot Fins wanna pay him It wouldnt shock me....

Bush won a championship with Pete Carroll at USC and he can win one with Seattle next season and so can Hartline.

"The root word of term Free Agent is "Free".
As in Free to go to a contender and get paid.
Seattle/NE/SF/GB can all find a place for Hartline and Reggie Bush."

DeVille,

None of the teams you mentioned need a RB except GB & their modus operandi is that they build through the draft & don't chase FA's. So Bush is not going to any of those teams.

As for Hartline, GB is not a viable option since they have Nelson, James, & Cobb but Seattle, NE (Welker is a FA), & SF (Manningham just tore up his knee) will be looking for a WR.

mike, 1000 yard WRs and Pro Bowl alternates don't ride the bench for 30 other teams...You have no freaking idea what you're talking about...Get real bro...

mike,

'Hartlins is riding the bench on 30 other teams'.....yeah Ok.....whatever you say.....LOL. Funny stuff!

Let me guess mike, you've got a PERSONAL vendetta against Jeff Ireland and he's a Jeff Ireland draft pick. Yeah it's everyday you get to draft 4th round WRs that go over a 1000 yards. Funny stuff, mike! YOu're wasting your time on here....it's the comedy club route you should have gone. You could have been the next Conan.....LOL.

Bush won a championship with Pete Carroll at USC and he can win one with Seattle next season and so can Hartline.

DeVille,

Why are you just throwing out bullsh#t???

Pete Carroll & Reggie Bush don't even speak to each other. Carroll says he never got an answer from Bush about whether he received money while at USC.

you can tell who the fantasy geeks are. they hate hartline and his one TD. lol

OMG everyone wake up!! Hartline is a #3 1000 yrd rec with 1 TD isn't anything to brag about. You want to get paid need 1400-1500 with 10-15 TDs.

Um Hartline for 6 mill. I don`t think so. Mike Wallace for 9 mill and Keenan Allen in the First sounds a lot better to me

I know that CB is likely the most needed position on the Miami Dolphins franchise. With WR and Pass Rusher a close second and third. I am all for using a high pick on a corner, I feel a young guy is necessary.
... Wait for it........
However.......
Corner is a position that is predicated on experience. If there is any position on the football field that new rules has made it necessary to have a certain "Sixth sense" or the laughable phrase "Cat like reflexes"... it is corner. Those guys cannot touch their coverage after 5 yards, the must match move to move in press and know exactly when to pass a WR off in zone. Rookies... for lack of a better word "SUCK" at such jobs. Sure, there is the 1 in 500 protege like Dion Sanders or Darrel Revis (Champ Baily perhaps)... who walks out of the NCAA and makes his presence not only known... but respected. This year... this draft... the best talent is in the Juniors... "GREAT"!!! You say... "Get Um Young" you reiterate.... No... Not at corner, not if you are looking for IMMEDIATE results.
I hope that Patterson, Marshall, Smith or whomever they get they're hands on in Free Agency can bring immediate results... because a rookie (Which we still should get) is a 2 to 4 year developmental project. And is 50/50 to not pan out as the guy you want.
Be careful, Miami... draft carefully at CB... Veterans are going to make the immediate difference... I hope those Vets are already here also.

Draft needs are WR,TE any other offensive players that can be got and then pass rushing specialist and finally CB.

I'm not an Ireland fan, but I give him credit for taking Hartline where he did. He's provided great value and should be rewarded with a nice raise. I don't think he should be paid as a #1 guy. He hasn't proven that yet and I doubt that many others in the league are going to want to pay him that kind of money either to be a #2 guy.

That being said, Ireland and Ross better make him a good offer because Beelzebub in Foxborough would love nothing better to replace FA Welker with Hartline. Players are also known for takingn a little less to play for titles and catch Brady's passes.


Pay Hartline the going-rate and give him a contract with a few years on it. But another
question arises. Is JL worth two Hartlines ?
Or two Starks, or two Reggie's ? Maybe you guys/
girls see something I don't in JL. $12,000,000 for
a habitually injured OT - GTF outa' here ! Go Fins.

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