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Dolphins fear worst as Long MRI Monday

Publicly, coach Joe Philbin barely acknowledged the Jake Long injury, saying after the game he had no update on the matter. And players who have been told not to comment on injuries towed the line. "Can't comment on injuries," Jonathan Martin said.

But privately?

Two players told me they heard Long tore his left triceps and one staffer said that's the early diagnosis. Long had an X-ray after the game whose results were inconclusive. Jeff Darlington of the NFL Network is reporting Long will have an MRI on Monday to get a clearer picture but that, "It doesn't look good."

If what everyone fears is reality, Martin is expected to take over at left tackle for the Dolphins. He played the position throughout the game Sunday. He was a left tackle at Stanford.

Long, meanwhile, will go into the offseason unsigned and uncertain of his future. The Dolphins can obviously try to sign him, franchise him, or let him test the market in free agency.

I doubt they allow him to test the market. Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland has said in the past that Jake Long will finish his career with the Dolphins but, as you know, things can change in the NFL.

One never knows.

 

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YG money talks BS walks. So if Ireland lowballs Walkace of coarse he won't come. Main point is we need playmakers. As far as Tannehill he sucks rookie or not

You got old ass charlie batch leading pitt. To a win and hennehill can't even hit wide open receivers! COME ON MAN. it will be the same garbage for 3 or 4 more years. Hopefully they will realize hennehill is not that guy.

So lookslike most of you guys are going to get what you want...let's see what Martin has at LT.

I think what some of you guys are missing is the concept of Long being an asset. Now we can argue all night how much of an asset but what it's going to come down to is that he can walk away for nothing if the Dolphins let him walk. On top of all that Smith, Hartline, Fasano and Starks can do the same if you like. I keep reading from a lot of you that no FAs want to come here, so if that's the case, how are you going to fill all these holes? We only have so many picks.

So what I'm saying is, it's not just about whether Long is worth it to play LT or not, it's about whether you just let another asset walk for nothing. That's the more important question.

Yo Ross, in what decade will we be mediocre?

I guess I was wrong. Matt Ryan was the better pick.

It is Philbin's first season getting to know these players. Let's see how much changes next year. He may be in a no win situation. If he changes too much, it will take too long to be competitive, and if he doesn't change enough, we will be stuck at mediocre.

Let's stop and think for a second. What's the trade market for a LT, coming off an injured season, making $12.5 mil a year, who'll be a FA at the end of this year and would cost about $15 mil to franchise. Not much I would say.
On top of all that, what's the logic in drafting your supposed franchise QB and then getting rid of the LT at the same time. Doesn't make sense. Now we're looking to replace the RT AND the LT. Sorry just not thinking this makes any sense.
Posted by: Craig M | December 02, 2012 at 07:06 PM


Listen you obviously didn't read the posts I put up regarding trading Long I clearly stated that given the injuries and not moving him in a sign and trade before the deadline in Oct. made it a mute point. You've been on this blog long enough to know I've been the one advocating moving him since before the trade deadline. At present that ship has sailed given nobody will trade for him today given the ?'s in health and he probably calls our bluff and tests the market given I don't believe we can afford to FRANCHISE a 15 Mil. a year player which is what his CAP # would be in such a scenario. Read the whole post before you blast an idea given I answered your very question on about 4 separate posts.

They kept it close but still not enough
http://phinsnews.com/not-there-yet/

Craig, no worries. Ross?Ireland will find some cheap homeless people to fill the spots. We will hardly notice..

4th straight losing season. PATHETIC!

fin4life,

We're you not suggesting they trade him at the end of last year? That's what I'm referring to, not this year. I'm saying given all of the above and the fact he was coming off a season-ending injury, I think there would be very little market for him. Certainly not a late first round pick.

Yesterday's Gone says:

Im almost ready to have Matt Millen come in and replace Jeff Ireland. At least Millen will spend every 1st rd pick at wr until he gets a Calvin Johnson. LOL
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LOL is right because it's not a great WR draft. The way Ireland picks he will get another Ted Ginn in the 2013 draft. The Dolphins best bet to upgrade the WR position is most likely Greg Jennings. Mike Wallace will be to expensive. He will want $11M and the team will suffer with so many other positions in need. I knew the Dolphins would not win with this rookie QB. He has potential but needs alot around him to win. He just does not have enough support.


So what I'm saying is, it's not just about whether Long is worth it to play LT or not, it's about whether you just let another asset walk for nothing. That's the more important question.

Craig M | December 02, 2012 at 07:28 PM


Here I can see you really did ignore most of the posts I put up or interpreted them as you saw fit given I clearly said Long was an asset we needed to move before injuries made it impossible to get something for the 1st overall pick of the 08 draft.

At this point you either FRANCHISE or he is going to test the market, he isn't going to sign for less than what the Eagles give Jason Peters which was a 6 yr./60 Mil. deal.

By the way that would be the same Jason Peters the Bills traded to Philly who was and is a perennial slacker a 1st rounder for 2 years ago in a sign and trade, so don't tell me it isn't feasible it's just that it needed to be done before this Season because now you have the LABEL CHRONICALLY INJURED associated with him and lets be honest alot of Football publications have been warning for sometime that this could happen playing him week in week out injured the way we Sparano did for 3 years. I don't dislike Long just the opposite but I 1st and foremost look at what's best for the team given I don't wear blinders either.

Back in our normal position again, the cellar. Thanks Ireland.


Now we can argue all night how much of an asset but what it's going to come down to is that he can walk away for nothing if the Dolphins let him walk.

So what I'm saying is, it's not just about whether Long is worth it to play LT or not, it's about whether you just let another asset walk for nothing. That's the more important question.

Posted by: Craig M | December 02, 2012 at 07:28 PM

CraigM,

I would have given my left and right nut had Bill Parcells had asked himself these questions prior to drafting Jake Long.

All he needed doing was to revisit what happened to Jax with Tony Boselli.

But, Ireland himself opened this can of worms drafting "LT" Jonathan Martin to play "RT". Especially with Long's play seemingly declining and this being Long's contract year.

Another Un-Long like year this year and resigning looming. Ireland left himself wide open for this.

Lets trade Jake Long for Matt Ryan.

fin4life,

First of all, that post wasn't directed to you, it was a general comment. I'm not sure where the disconnect is.

We can agree to disagree, but under the circumstances, trading one of your best players, who protects your rookie QB's blind side, with anew set of coaches, would hav emade no sense. If he'd gone on to have a great season we'd be ripping him for that.

Again we'll agree to disagree but I highly, highly doubt under all the circumstances I mentioned, that you get a first round pick for Long at the end of last year/beginning of this year.

fin4life,

We're you not suggesting they trade him at the end of last year? That's what I'm referring to, not this year. I'm saying given all of the above and the fact he was coming off a season-ending injury, I think there would be very little market for him. Certainly not a late first round pick.

Craig M | December 02, 2012 at 07:37 PM


Yes I posted it during the Pre-Season and you called it out of the box thinking. I then replied about the injuries and mentioned Bosselli to you and you said that Long wasn't in that boat and again I disagreed. I will agree with you now about there being no possible market for him that would compensate us today.

Do you guys think the Jags would trade Henne for Tannehill?

Kris, where you been bro? I know you don't think there's friendship here, but I think there's some comraderie with the regulars. I noticed you haven't been around for a while.

So fin4life,

Instead of attacking me and claiming I don't read your posts, understand I knew you were talking about pre-season. I'm saying given all that comes into play, including the fact there wouldn't be team out there that could accomodate his contract this year. I don't see how getting rid of Jake Long in preseason is in Tannehill's best interests, as far as development goes. Sorry....just don't see it.

kris.........
11-5

F4l,

On The Play Last Week. Look At it Again. Jake Sets The EDGE. Pouncey LEADS! And Jake And Pouncey Clear The SECOND LEVEL! JAKE MAKES 2 Blocks On That Play!

Dashi isn't Saying Pouncey Didn't Make a Great Play! What Dashi is Saying Jake IS STILL A GREAT LT!

AGAIN OUR OG'S SUCK! THAT PLAY IS SUPPOSED TO BE LEAD BY A GUARD!

POUNCEY IS HAVING A GREAT YEAR!(Hint) Texas A&M Has 2 First Round TACKLES COMING OUT!(HINT) Martin Is Playing Well For a ROOKIE, Playing On a Different Side For the FIRST TIME in HIS LIFE.(HINT!) JERRY IS ACTUALLY STARTING!(hint.)

With all Them Hints. Dashi Believes This Coaching Staff and Specially This O-Line Coach! Will Know What TO DO WITH LONG.

IF JAKE IS REALLY HURT! AND HE IS PART OF THE FUTURE!!!(Which He Is)

SHUT HIM DOWN NOW! IR!! JUST STAND ON THE SIDELINE BIG GUY! GET A REAL OFFSEASON OF TRAINING AND WEIGHT LIFTING IN!!

Dashi Has Been Saying ALL ALONG. JAKE'S PUNCH DOESN'T LOOK THE SAME. Jake Would Just STUN GUYS! He Has Been Looking Weak All Year! Get the Surgery NOW!

BUT AGAIN! Jake When Healthy. Which Would Happen Next Year. IS A FORCE. A WALL!! THE WALL!!!

And Bosselli Had Bad ARTHRITIC SHOULDERS! When Jake Starts Having Arthritis We Have a Problem!

Again we'll agree to disagree but I highly, highly doubt under all the circumstances I mentioned, that you get a first round pick for Long at the end of last year/beginning of this year.

Craig M | December 02, 2012 at 07:49 PM

A perennial Pro Bowl LT who was injured legitimately last Season and proved his toughness playing through and you feel he wouldn't have garnered attention in a trade???????

fin, bubbie, who knows if you were right. Maybe Martin wouldn't have been ready, maybe it would have made us too thin on the oline. But the past is the past. We're here in Week 12. What's the best course of action now?

Craig and I have gone back and forth on Long today, but he has a point that I'm partial to. We have LOTS of holes to fill. We need to FILL THEM, NOT create more. I think we can still get value for Long (via trade). Especially on Draft Day. Trade him to move up to few spots. If the player is special enough, I'd do it. Or, use his injury as leverage to get him to come down on his asking price. A 75% Long is still top 10 LT in the league. Not so bad. And Martin would have another year to bone up, and that's another year of gelling for the oline. I can think of worse things.

That's why I say I'm fine with whatever Ireland/Philbin want to do. As long as it's not make Long the #1/2 highest-paid LT in the league. THAT I'd have a problem with.

Ross, give back the money you're stealing from Finfans.

DC DOLFAN......

DON'T YOU THINK KRIS IS VERY SELF CENTERED PERSON ?

HIGEST PAID LT,MY FOOT..........

HE WILL BE GONE BY END OF THE YEAR....

fin4life,

So now it's you who isn't reading MY posts. How many teams out there would give up a first round pick for Jake Long, coming off a season ending injury (not his first by the way) and would still have the cap room available in the pre-season? How is a team going to fit his contract in to their cap situation when rosters are set and cap budgets are tight?

I guess most People here never forgive and forget(Ireland for Dez, RT for being a #8 pick, etc). You get angry when you lose and have not found a new way to release that "fury". You will get nowhere being that way.

Inconsistency.

self-centered? No (anyway I don't know him well enough to make that assessment). But from what I've read here, no.

I dont trust Ireland with the next draft. Barring the first 3-4 games, Jonathan Martin is the only draft pick playing "CONSISTENTLY" well. Even he's no threat to make pro bowl this year.

T'hill, Vernon, Miller have had good moments. But steady consistency throughout the entire season has lacked. Rishard Matthews has had two nice catches the last 2 games, while Egnew and the rest of the draft class cant seem to get on the playing field at all.

Not one instant impact player the entire draft. Should Ireland really be trusted yet again?

Dashi | December 02, 2012 at 07:57 PM

No denying that the Guard play is puke pathetic, Incognito is to slow to pull and Jerry is a big for nothing who gets over powered to much.

Inconsistency.

Outside of Jake Long and Mike Pouncey, we've had zero impact players in 5yrs. There would never had been reason to draft Mike Pouncey had the fathead Tuna stuck with Satele longer.

6 win teams cannot afford to pay 16 million dollars a year for an injury prone not dominant left tackle. It's an easy decision. c-ya jake. Let's get some damn playmakers in here for a change.

Well, when Long's gone, it will mean we've had 4 railures in the last 5yrs as #1 picks.

I want to know who's responsible for this?

An Offensive line needs 2-3 years of playing together to be truly effective. So...?

failures

Kris,

I'm Only Answering Ur Fasano Question With 1 Answer!!

WHOEVER SIGNS HIM AS A FREE AGENT!! SIMPLE!

AND CLAY IS ONLY IN HIS SECOND YEAR! AND FITS THE H-BACK ROLE! That A.Hernandez Type and C.Cooley Use To Play!

Basically MORE TEAMS WILL SIGN CLAY THAN COOLEY!

AND THE EASY ANSWER TO ANY DOLPHIN PLAYER ANSWER! THE JETS WITH SPORANO AS COACH!

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F4l,

Those Guys WERE JUST NAMES! AT THAT POINT IN THEIR CAREER! Shockey was A Shadow of Himself(10.0 YPC)! And 7.0 YPC D.Thomas! Both Guys WERE NON FACTORS BY 2011! Shockey was out the League!

AND THE PATS! Watson and Graham WEREN'T ON THE ROSTER IN 2010! THEY GOT GRONK AND HERNANDEZ! AND HERNANDEZ HAD THE BETTER ROOKIE SEASON! THEY SIGNED CRUMPLER FOR NOTHING! AS THE 3RD TE!

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2010.htm

Again, That Doesn't Justify Picking Edd's! That ALSO FALLS ON NOLAN(Not Just IRELAND)!! WE ALL KNOW SPORANO DOESN'T KNOW A LICK OF DEFENSE!! SO IRELAND WAS SHOPPING FOR NOLAN'S PROTOTYPE! OR PARCELL'S! WHICH WAS THE PRESIDENT!

DC....

SELF CENTERED PEOPLE ..........

ARMANDO
OSCAR
YG
KRIS
DASHI

YG,

I thought you were sold on Vernon? The guy was invisible today.

I remember preseason the first couple of games I criticized JI that he has done more harm than good has drafted more bust than than starter on this team, and as long as JI is the GM this team will this team will be loser!
It's time for a change can't trust JI drafting or sign F/A...Ross needs to upgrade his GM and scouts. Let's Philbin hand pick his GM and scouts. Than give it two years, hey Parcells and TS got 4 years and JI got 5 years. Result one playoff appearance.
Pathetic! Bye bye JI

I will tell you how to get angry, YG. You direct yourself away from Hating other People. Yes?

I FORGOT ANOTHER SELF CENTERED POSTER..........CRAIG M ....

Tannehill's play isnt his own fault. Ireland overpaid for him at 8th overall. Drafting that high you have zero doubts he can be a consistent day 1 starter.

Clearly with the limited college starting experience you dont draft Tannhill #8. He's 1st rd worthy but now #8 overrall worthy. Just another Ireland draft day bungle.

You know, Altruism. You know Altruism?nevermethim

Some comments on the Game.

LOOK HOW YG4EVER CHANGING COLORS AFTER HE WROTE LOVE LETTERS TI IRELAND WHEN WE WON FEW GAMES BUT NOW HE'S TURNING ON IRELAND .....

NO SHAME ..

Do you know, YG, that if you keep on reading my commentaries here, you will never be the same?forbetterorworse

Hate to break it to the people wanting us to lose. This may be weakest offensive skill draft in years.

CraigM,

Never said I was sold on Vernon. I said its highly unlikely Ireland makes a pass rusher the #1 pick having spent the 3rd rd pick on Vernon.

Just use common sense CraigM. If Ireland uses a #1 pick on a pass rusher. He's admitting he used a 3rd rd pick on a st's player. Thats exactly what Vernon would be relegated to if Ireland spends a #1 on a pass rusher in the coming draft.

CraigM, gm's dont spend 3rd rd picks on pass st's player. So Vernon gets at least one more season to prove he can become the compliment to Wake. He cant do that if Ireland spends a #1 at pass rush.

Btw, pass rush isnt the primary problem. We had 4 sacks today.

We, lost the Game. NE never won It. Yes?

YG,

So how should he have handled the Tannehill situation? Should he drafted down and risked losing him to a team like Seattle? Isn't that what others have said he's been guilty off for too long.

If you have conviction about Tannehill you pick him at 8. If you don't, you pass on him. It has nothing to do with being a day one starter.

Yes?

Why is he so important?

Craig M | December 02, 2012 at 08:04 PM

Buddy that ship has sailed so mute point it is. I feel though had they really had a strong conviction to rebuild they should have explored the option. You think Tannehill is in a position to succeed with the players around him. You feel progress is made by signing an over the hill clown like Chad in the off-season and selling it like a win. You look on face value what we've done this year and it has the earmarks of a total rebuilding project. So based on that why not see what you have with the LT you drafted or sign a temporary plug in.

YG,

That was ONE game, against a beat up OL, btw.

You draft a pass rusher third round because you can never have enought pass rusher. As I've told you before there is nothing that says, because you draft a pass rusher third round one year, you can't draft one first round next year. Taking a guy first round doesn't relegate Vernon to STs. It simply makes him part of the rotation and drops him down a little. Still a useful guy, in a rotational basis.

YG,

So how should he have handled the Tannehill situation? Should he drafted down and risked losing him to a team like Seattle? Isn't that what others have said he's been guilty off for too long.

Posted by: Craig M | December 02, 2012 at 08:26 PM

CraigM,

You argued with me on my 2012 mock draft. I wanted to go with the guard from Stanford 1st rd. Then go after a rt. Then go after a pass rusher.

Then suck this year and go after a qb.

Somebody here, RIGHT NOW! Find out how many times NE has been held to 23 points this Year and who did it.

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