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Tons of news and notes from Dolphins coordinators

Coordinators Monday was very interesting today. Offensive coordinator Mike Sherman and defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle gave insight into a number of topics including the future at left tackle, the surprise at right tackle, Ryan Tannehill, Jason Trusnik, and more. 

I thought the most revealing statement of the day came from Mike Sherman, who gave team credibility to the idea that next year's left tackle might not necessarily be JaKe Long. As you know, this space and my column has discussed at length the idea that if Jonathan Martin plays well at left tackle, that will affect the Dolphins approach to re-signing Jake Long for next year.

Bluntly, Martin is cheaper than Long and if he's about as good as Long, Long has a problem returning to Miami at a high salary.

Sherman gave voice to this stream of thought.

"I think he has a chance to be a very good tackle in this league," the offensive coordinator said of Martin. "He still has some growing up to do and learning and whatnot and strength development. But I think he has a chance to be an excellent left tackle or right tackle in this league, wherever he ends up next year."

Martin has started two games and faced two premier pass rushers both times in Aldon Smith and Jason Babin.

By the way, the Dolphins are pleasantly surprised by Nate Garner at right tackle. He was struggling to make the roster in camp. Now?

The club is still concerned mostly about his pass blocking, but so far so good.

"He's put together a couple of really good games," Sherman said. "You worry about how he's going to handle the pass rush but he's done a good job."

Up next for Garner will be Mario Williams of the Buffalo Bills.

As you know, this season is mostly about the progress of quarterback Ryan Tannehill. Well, call Sunday a step in that progress because Shermas was very pleased with the rookie's performance to the point he said it "would have to be right up at the top" of his showings this season.

"Yesterday was a good indication of what he's capable of doing," Sherman said. "I think he's had some very good games. I think he shows a lot of promise. You have to understand, he hasn't played that position as much as some other quarterbacks have at a very high level. He's learning on the job. I think he processes things and tries not to make the same mistake twice.

"I think he has an excellent future and he'll just continue to get better."

Sherman says of Tannehill there's "not a whole lot of things we don't ask him to do." One thing the Dolphins don't ask Tannehill to do a lot is run the ball a la Russell Wilson or Colin Kaepernick or Robert Griffin III. Obviously, they're concerned about him getting hurt.

So don't expect a ton more of spread option runs for Tannehill even though he's shown good mobility and ability to gash the defense on certain runs.

"I think at this level you have to be very careful," Sherman said. "You don't want to build your offense around that in particular. I think we want to do it when people aren't really defending that as much and you just throw it on them once in a while. If people are defending that, there's ways to defend it and it can really cause some havoc for your quarterback. And also, if they do that, your offense.

"You have to be very judgmental when you do that. It's something we'll do but not a heavy dose."

Some side notes from Sherman:

Receiver Armon Binns had 10-12 snaps and "had a winning grade," according to Sherman. Not bad considering he joined the team on Tuesday and played on Sunday.

When Charles Clay went down Sunday, the team moved Anthony Fasano to his position. It was a position Fasano hadn't played all year.

"He knew exactly what to do as we had to move the tight end group around," Sherman said.

Fasano this year has been spread out, in tight. even In the backfield. Yes, he's versatile. Not great. But good enough to be versatile.

On defense, the issues are different. The defense is frankly ahead of the Miami offense. While the Dolphins offense is striving for consistency, the defense has mostly reached that and is looking to take the next step.

I believe this is a playoff defense that is a couple of playmakers from taking a step to dynamic. I asked Coyle if his unit is a playoff defense.

"Well, it's tough to say," he said. "I think statistically in a lot of areas we're doing fairly well. They're key area we've talked about a lot during the course of the season -- scoring defense being one. Looking at the stats today I think we're No. 6 in scoring defense. When you can keep people from scoring, you're going to have a chance to win a lot of games. Consequently, you're going to put yourself in position to be contending for the playoffs. So that's a positive.

"Third down defense has been a positive. I think right now we're fifth in the league in third-down defense. there's a lot of good things that way. We're No. 1 in red zone defense after looking at today's stats. We were down there a few times yesterday and fortunately we didn't let them in the end zone. All those things being positives."

But what makes defenses good enough to get a team in the playoffs into defenses that succeed in the playoffs? Big plays.

"We've got to make more impacting plays on defense. We're not making the turnovers that [the media] has alluded to. We're not creating field position like great defenses do. Ultimately that's what we want to be. We want to do all the things we're doing now, but do them better and create more opportunities for offense and score on defense. We're not pleased that we haven't put the ball in the end zone."

Some notes from Coyle on a handful of players.

The coach said Jason Trusnik, starting for the injured Koa Misi, had a good day.

"He showed up on the fourth down play obviously but there were a number of plays in the run game where he fitted just exactly right," Coyle said. "Coverage-wise there were a number of plays where he covered the tight end down the field where I thought he did a great job. We were worried about their tight end being a vertical threat and Jason on a couple of occasions had him man-to-man and did a good job. He had a couple of good zone drops. Overall, I think he played really well."

The Dolphins had issues in the secondary Sunday -- not so much in performance but in numbers. Both Nolan Carroll and Chris Clemons left the game for multiple snaps -- and that thrust Bryan McCann and R.J. Stanford and Tyrone Culver to step up.

"We had to juggle some people around and that created some opportunities," Coyle said. "Bryan McCann played a number of snaps, quality snaps in the game and came up with some big plays later in the game."

Coyle said the Dolphins got their hands on more footballs and tipped more passes away than other game. Unfortunately for Miami, no interceptions -- even if it was Chad Henne throwing it for Jacksonville.

Jared Odrick is an interesting player. He was drafted in the first round as a 3-4 defensive end. Now he's caught between and betwixt because the Dolphins are running a 4-3 scheme. So Odrick is starting at DE even though that really isn't what he's best suited to do.

Can he play 4-3 DT?

"Could he do it? Perhaps," Coyle said. "I'm not sold that his best position right now."

By the way, safety Chris Clemons had his "most consistent game" for the Dolphins on Sunday. Clemons graded out at 90 percent. That means that on 90 percent of his plays, he got a plus. The Dolphins give a plus and minus on every play.

Execution is a plus. Failure to execute is a minus.

"He's been quietly consistent for the most part," Coyle said.

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JJ was better then Shula.

DragonFly34, Opppppps and Tannehill has a high QB rating (for the season) than Luck. You sound really smart when you say stupid things Dragon.


jpao,

Took this from a recent article I READ. Ever hear the term 'matching bookends'. I'm sure you haven't, since you're likely not a reader. I guess the writer of this article didn't know what he was tlaking about either, then?


JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) — When the Jacksonville Jaguars drafted Eugene Monroe and Eben Britton with their first two picks in the 2009 draft, the team thought it had acquired bookend tackles for the next decade.

jpao,

Here's another one for you putz.....are you getting the message yet?


Bears' stout bookends anchor offensive line
By JOHN WERNER
jwerner@wacotrib.com

Friday August 10, 2012 Email Print
It’s easy to spot Spencer Drango and Troy Baker.

Both standing 6-6 and weighing over 300 pounds, they’re two of the biggest players on the Baylor football team. They’ll also be under one of the biggest microscopes throughout preseason drills.

Drango and Baker came out of spring practice as Baylor’s two new starting offensive tackles, and they’re trying to prove to the coaches that they’ve earned their places in the lineup.

PLEASE,ALL BLOGGERS ,TRY TO CLEAN YOUR LANGUAGE TO EACH OTHER AND BE CIVIL .....PLEASE..

jpao,

Here's another one for you, smart guy:

Volumes of misery have been written since the Browns’ story of expansion-team football began.

Maybe the plot is changing at the Factory of Sadness. Certainly, the team has the bookends between which happier chapters can flow.

Today, the Browns seek their third straight victory. One of the reasons they are 61⁄2-point favorites to beat Kansas City is, well, Kansas City.

Another is an offensive tackle tandem on its way to becoming the best in the league.

This isn’t so far-fetched.

It is a simple matter of rookie right tackle Mitchell Schwartz catching up with an old pro named Joe.

Imagine No. 72, Schwartz, and No. 73, Joe Thomas, in a Super Bowl. General manager Tom Heckert has. Heckert was behind a seven-year contract extension, with a reported $44 million in guaranteed money, signed by Thomas in August 2011. In April, Heckert spent a No. 37 overall draft pick on Schwartz.

Craig are you guys scrapping about the definition of a bookend tackle? I'm kind of lost as to why you guys are so aggressive about it other than because of the name calling and bad attitude stuff.

Giving the Coaching staff as many games possible to grade out Martin is a good strategy. Miami doesn't really have to worry about losing Long as long as they are willing to franchise him. As far as the draft goes... There are only one or two WR's I would be comfortable with Miami using a 1st round pick on. I believe if Miami wanted to give RT the most help in the shortest period of time they will go after Mike Wallace, Jennings or Bowe in FA... Then draft either Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame or Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford in the first or second round. Ertz may not declare but it looks like Eifert will be ready to go. Eifert is the closest thing to a Rob Gronkowski I have seen since he was drafted... But I think Eifert is better. Ertz is a Junior but an absolute Beast.. Thing is, Stanford guys usually graduate with their classes. If either could be grabbed with our 1st 2nd round pick while taking someone like Sam Montgomery, DE/OLB, LSU or Barkevious Mingo*, DE/OLB, LSU in the first... They would be off to a hell of a Draft...

Darkoak,

It's EXACTLY because of the name-calling and bad attitude. That's right. Not putting up with it from jpao or anybody else. We're all here to be civil but when the attacks start I'm more than ready to fight back. I'm here to talk about football and my team. Guys want to get into name-calling, then let's go....

Craig...there is this thing in the English language its called PLURAL. It signifies more than one.

Bookend vs. Bookends is the issue here you putz.

Martin is a bookend LT or RT.

Martin and Long are bookend tackles.

Ideally a team would have bookends and not one bookend.

So when the earlier post was made that Martin is a bookend tackle the writer was correctly using the word.

Does that make it more clear for you? Go back to elementary school and you would learn all about plurals. The subject of Plurals are found in books. Books are found on bookshelves and they are usually supported on those shelves by a bookend or book ends.

TO BE
OR NOT
TO
BE........

THE DOLPHIN BLOGGERS ARE MOSTLY IGNORANT AND SAVAGES, JUST READ THE INSULTS AND BaCK AND FORTH BETWEEN CRAIG M AND JPAO .........


Vetran Fan,

I like the way you think. That's what I want to see happen too. Not sure I'd want all the money spent on Wallace, though. I'd prefer a kid in the 2nd round and maybe a guy like Jennings signed in FA. Safety is a big need on this team too.

I ALWAYS SAID,THAT OUR FAN BASE IS UNEDUCATED .JUST READ JPAO POST @ 6;04 PM.....

BTW Craig....just a few weeks ago you were defending Sean Smith and stating the Fins NEED to resign him as he is the best CB on the team. Now you are saying he is not worth resigning. We argued back and forth for days on the topic. I should learn not to read your posts as they are typically filled with non-sense and you will ultimately change your mind in most cases.

jpao,

So going back to my original point....

It's great to say that Martin would make a great bookend LT but that only works if you have someone to complement him. I'm not sure that we do. Otherwise you have ONE tackle. That was my original point. Bookends come a TWO. No guy having one without the other.

Ignorant savages? Really Aloco? I am sorry I was referencing books and the correct use of the English language.

So sorry to talk down on such a wise blog.

I used to be the same way Craig but now I just don't give enough of a crap what other people say to me.

Had some good chats with you guys so far. I wish I had all the answers to the Dolphins problems, and a quick dial to Mr. Ross' office and his receptive ear. But I never played organized football so my take is mostly fueled by years watching and seeing what successful well coached and managed teams do.

CRAIG M
KRIS
DASHI.........THESE BLOGGERS ARE WAGON RIDERS ,,,,,,,,

jpao,

So it's pretty obvious you don't ACTUALLY read my posts but just THINK you are. I didn't say don't resign Sean Smith.

If you actually got your head out of your a** you would realize I said I'm on the fence with RESIGNING Sean Smith. And with all that being said is there ACTUALLY some rule against changing your opinion on something?

jpao,

Try READING instead of INTERPRETING.....might be a stretch for you....but try.

Homework Help.
You might need some help here with your homework. About two weeks ago I cut and pasted the same article and gave props to the site. We were discussing the weaknesses and strenghts of the team and I clearly posted that this was a cut and paste job from the football site. I also gave my analysis on every position. I could cut and paste many articles about Harbaugh style of coaching but this is not a 49er site, but it is clear that he has put a spin of his own on the WCO. Spread offense using the TE as much as possible. And please don't bring up NE.

JPAO,,,,,,,,,,,, SORRY IF YOU MISUNDERSTOOD ME BUT I MEANT CRAIG M WHO CHANGES HIS MIND WEEKY .......

Jpao,

You Want To Get The Ignoramus!! Mad!!

Talk About Dansby!!

You Think The Book End Thing!! Is Crazy!!

Watch Him Defend Dansby!!

Here's Moron boy to the rescue....hiding in the shadows....

Good day today, Dashi? How much did you drink today?

DASHI, YOU R VERY SMART POSTER,,,,PLEASE TELL US IN VERY SHORT POST ,WHO R THE 5 PLAYERS YOU GET READY OFF NEXT SEASON.....?

It's Funny How Craig Is Talking About Bookends!!

And He Has Never Even Seen A Shelf Full Of Books!!

Craig Just Like "Watching" The Game!!

Don't Talk About Stuff You Don't Know!!

FIN FANS,MOSTKY ;;;;;;


UNEDUCATED
NOT CIVIL
UNEMPLOYED
IGNORANT

AND NOT FRIENDLY AT ALL

LIFE
IS
SHORT....

MOSTLY

jpao,

It's not about name calling, anybody old enough to remember bookshelves knows what a bookend is (My parents actually bought me the Encyclopedia Britanica so I had a few bookends in my room growing up)

The point was waaaay back at around 4:00 P.M. the point was brought up by someone posting under the name LOL something about a bookend tackle.

If you've watched Football long you understand the term is used in reference to having a Left and Right Tackle to bookend each other. It is commonly referred to or else the term SOLID or FRANCHISE Tackle but NOT bookend.

Your correct in your reference if your talking about my old book shelf but not in Football were the term is used in another regard whether the linguistic use of plural is correct or not.

In 94 Don Shula drafted Billy Milner with the intention of bookending him with Richmond Webb.

Back to what is best for the Fins....only in my opinion....

1) Keep Ireland. This past offseason He added a Starting QB and Starting Tackle that are showing real progress. Vernon and Miller are also showing promise to be solid role players. Add Pouncey to his successes and I think he has earned another draft to add more valuable players to this roster. Yes, his approach to CB and WR didn't prove correct. Lets see if he can correct those problems in the offseason. If so, he is a keeper, if not...bye bye Jeff.

2) Keep Philbin. He brought in new offensive and defensive systems. He is doing all he can with the sub-part talent he was given at CB and WR. I'd like to see him influence another full draft and create more chemistry with Ireland. To start over, like some have called for, would be another mistake made by this franchise.

3) Tannehill is the future. He is mobile, he has a strong arm, he is capable of managing the play calls at the line of scrimmage, he can run an up tempo system. Given how little college experience he had entering the NFL I think he is doing a really solid job. He has cut down his INT's and that is a big deal as well. I look forward to seeing him with a full squad of talent next year.

4) Free Agency is a big deal this year. With two weeks to go I think they should keep Bush, Dansby, Fasano, Starks, Long and Hartline if they fit financially. If they get greedy and shoot for the moon then we have to part company. None of them created playoff caliber success and they may never do so. I think Smith is has to go.

5) WR, CB, LB, and TE are our biggest positions of need ending the season. If we can build through the draft and add depth through Free Agency I would want to go that route. The only exception MIGHT be a #1 WR found in Free Agency. I really think Wallace would make sense for the team but just not confident we will land him.

fin4life,

Cheers.....that was my point exactly. Glad you got it.

WHY I FEEL FIN4LIFE SOUND RIGHT ?

JPAO///////////

NOW YOU LOST ME WITH YOUR LAST POST.......

THE
CELLAR......

Aloco,

You Know Better!! Dashi Doesn't Flip Flop!!

I Might Get Enlightened! And Adjust My Opinion!! But Dashi Doesn't Flip Flop!!

@ 6:15 Please Rephrase

Is It Who To Get in The Offseason?

Or

Who To Get Rid Of In The Offseason?

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And Craig Fool!!!

Dashi Told You He Doesn't Drink!! And I Find It Extremely Offensive!! Alcoholism Is Personal To Dashi!! Easy Way To Get Slapped By Dashi!! Make Fun Of Drunks!! Those People Have A Illness!! Nothing Funny About Alcoholics!!

Again Fool!! IF YOU ARE GOING TO TALK OUT UR A S S!! AT LEAST MAKE SOME SENSE!!!

WHO TO GET READY OFF IN THE OFFSEASON ?

TO GET RID OFF

fin4life...thanks for your well thought out point and opinion. I agree with you and feel you are correct. But I feel that a bookend tackle is one player who is strong enough to consistently hold his end of the line without additional support (i.e. a RB or TE held back to support the pass rush).

I am simply saying that every team would want bookend tackleS. But in many cases they have a bookend caliber tackle and hoping to find a match to bookend the line. Using your example Richmond Webb was, in my humble opinion, a bookend tackle who was without a match. Shula brought in Milner to bookend Webb. Unfortunately, I don't know that he ever did show that level of consistent ability.

I am done with the topic but I just want to say thank you for a well thought out point and I hope I clarified my point.

FIN4LIFE IS AMAN OF HONOR,NOT LIKE MOST POSTERS ON THIS BLOG..HE HAS VERY GRACEFUL PERSONALITY ,,

Aloco,,,,

MY 5 To Go!!

Dansby
Bush
Hartline
Fasano
Moore(Both Of Them)

Keep Long, Smith, Starks, And Maybe Clemons(At Right Price)

Like Dashi said He Has Adjusted His Opinion!! Pe'o For Te'o Passed!! This Last Win Killed That Dream!! So My Top 5 Draft Needs! Are As Follow!

CB
WR
TE
FS
MLB

In That Order!

POSTERS ,I LIKE SEE THEM AROUND;;;;;


YG
FIN4LIFE
ROB IN OC ...........


Jpao,
Agree 100% with your analysis. Watching the younger players play last sunday says we have talent. We need depth. These younger players could be the depth we are looking for and with the Draft and Cap space we could be consistently good. Dont pay highly for big time players for a short term fix when we need to develope a team that would make us competitive for years to come.

DASHI....

FASANO CAME TO LIFE IN THE LAST 2 GAMES..........


MOORE ??????? WHY ?


BUSH,,THE BEST PLAYER THIS YEAR AFTER WAKE //////

I really doubt we draft another TE in the top 3 rounds unless it's considered a steal by Ireland. He's already invested draft pick there in the last couple of years. Most likely a free agent will be added, or Fasano will stay.

Uncle Jeffy deserves one more draft. Now he knows what Joe Philbin needs are. Stay the course!!

F4l,

Dashi Disagrees.

BOOKENDS With A "S" At The End!! Is Plural!!

BOOKEND! IS SINGULAR!!

BOOKEND TACKLE! IS LIKE JPAO IS DESCRIBING!!

A GUY WHO DOESN'T NEED HELP ON HIS SIDE!!

MOST BOOKEND TACKLES ARE LT!! BECAUSE THEY PLAY ON A ISLAND!! WITH NO HELP!!

I get Your Point That The Term Is Usually Only Used When You Have 2!! But The Word Is Used To Describe Any Position That Sets The Outside!!

U can Have A Bookend OLB! Or A Bookend DE!!

U Can't Have a Bookend OG!! OR DT!!

When You Only Need 1 Player To Cover The Outside!! That Guy Is Considered A Bookend!!

jpao,

I got your point as well but understood what Craig was trying to say. Like everything in this Country we have a tendency to butcher our Grammer as well.

You said you remember Billy Milner (NO he NEVER did live up to expectation out of the Univ. of Houston) but if you live in Miami as I do you may remember CBS-4 then Sports caster Tony Sagreto making the following statement.

"Well it looks like Shula found the bookending to Webb.

I purposely dropped that word BOOKENDING in my post given is it even a word in the English Dictionary??

We tend to make words up as we go and as you very well know if one sticks it goes into a more modern version of any dictionary we saw growing up.

Clay, out for the year,here comes M.Egnew.

Am I reading keep Dansby?? I would trade him in a heart beat. Over priced big moufff.....

Aloco,,,

U Asked For The Name!! Not The Reason!!

Remember You Said Keep It Short!!

And Dashi Thought He Was A Bandwagon Fan!! So The Reason Should have Already Been Repeated By The Masses!!

Don't Worry Dashi will Tell You Why Cut These Scrubs!!

Specially The Moore Twins!!

Just like in playing the pari-mutuals trying to pick a CB and a TE and a WR and a DE is making ONE pick and whoever is doing it will need A LOT OF LUCK.FA is a different matter you have NFL stats and Film on the player in question.Thats why I keep repeating that the draft should focus on offense or defense and not try to be so exact, just because Mel Kiper wants you to believe that this is a science it is FAR FROM IT.The Dolphins need a lot of upgrades to their team but there is NO DOUBT that they could win 10 games or more next season by scoring more points so posters it is right in front of your nose, they need to draft mostly offensive players.

It's impossible to get into Philbins head. But with Clay getting banged uo, Mastrud stepped up and Fasano had a good day. Mastrud, Clay, Fasano and one more for depth, But not a high pick. Evaluating talent that can be developed to the point where we have a well balanced team "O" "D" "ST" and cap.

Inotherwords the drafting of players that will be starters will have a higher probability if they make more than one choice in the positions that are most needed for a winning team in 2013.I would to repeat myself draft mostly offensive players and I would draft more than one at the position the braintrust of the Dolphins decided would make the MOST impact in 2013.

If its WRs then I would draft one in the first two rounds and one in the third for an example of what my methodology would be if I were making the choices.

The other way of drafting this position and that position requires TOO much luck and exactness of which the draft is not even close.

If I draft two receivers in the first three rounds my odds of getting a winner increase drastically compared to just taking ONE WR.

To me this is OBVIOUS it is COMMON SENSE

But then again I play games of chance so I know you have to give yourself a chance by spreading out as much as your bankroll and plan allow.

I agree KingShula but can you throw more money at college scouting to be more effective? I mean can you have permanent scouts follow a divisions top teams and others work the rest of the divisions. Watch every game. Get the video from every dang game analyzed.

Dashi @6:44,

I get your point but it's more commonly used to describe two as in plural, don't blame me but the talking head idiot on some Sports Network that came up with the term.

Back to Football I also agree with the line of thought we have the Blue Collar Lunch Box guys that can play with the big boys as we've proved but moving forward I feel we address WR in FA (Mike Wallace is my player and yes Dashi I read your opinion but I'm talking the fastest WR in the NFL who takes a hitch or swing and goes to the house)

We can look at JerMicheal Finley as well but feel your all wrong on Long because unless we FRANCHISE I feel the BIG GUY heads back to the Mid-West in the NFC North were everybody except the Vikes are Tackle starved.

I would then see how the D heavy draft falls for us but if Steadman Bailey is there with our other 2nd RD pick I take him there as well. I look to make us faster on the skill spots both sides of the ball and if Milliner is gone given the rookie CAP I take FSU CB Xavier Rhodes, how about the rest of you with a plan instead of ripping mine up?

But then again you just wasted a high pick on a bust. we saw yesterday that two decent players are better that one star in the philbin era. I was impressed with the play of some of the players that came off the bench.

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