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Tons of news and notes from Dolphins coordinators

Coordinators Monday was very interesting today. Offensive coordinator Mike Sherman and defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle gave insight into a number of topics including the future at left tackle, the surprise at right tackle, Ryan Tannehill, Jason Trusnik, and more. 

I thought the most revealing statement of the day came from Mike Sherman, who gave team credibility to the idea that next year's left tackle might not necessarily be JaKe Long. As you know, this space and my column has discussed at length the idea that if Jonathan Martin plays well at left tackle, that will affect the Dolphins approach to re-signing Jake Long for next year.

Bluntly, Martin is cheaper than Long and if he's about as good as Long, Long has a problem returning to Miami at a high salary.

Sherman gave voice to this stream of thought.

"I think he has a chance to be a very good tackle in this league," the offensive coordinator said of Martin. "He still has some growing up to do and learning and whatnot and strength development. But I think he has a chance to be an excellent left tackle or right tackle in this league, wherever he ends up next year."

Martin has started two games and faced two premier pass rushers both times in Aldon Smith and Jason Babin.

By the way, the Dolphins are pleasantly surprised by Nate Garner at right tackle. He was struggling to make the roster in camp. Now?

The club is still concerned mostly about his pass blocking, but so far so good.

"He's put together a couple of really good games," Sherman said. "You worry about how he's going to handle the pass rush but he's done a good job."

Up next for Garner will be Mario Williams of the Buffalo Bills.

As you know, this season is mostly about the progress of quarterback Ryan Tannehill. Well, call Sunday a step in that progress because Shermas was very pleased with the rookie's performance to the point he said it "would have to be right up at the top" of his showings this season.

"Yesterday was a good indication of what he's capable of doing," Sherman said. "I think he's had some very good games. I think he shows a lot of promise. You have to understand, he hasn't played that position as much as some other quarterbacks have at a very high level. He's learning on the job. I think he processes things and tries not to make the same mistake twice.

"I think he has an excellent future and he'll just continue to get better."

Sherman says of Tannehill there's "not a whole lot of things we don't ask him to do." One thing the Dolphins don't ask Tannehill to do a lot is run the ball a la Russell Wilson or Colin Kaepernick or Robert Griffin III. Obviously, they're concerned about him getting hurt.

So don't expect a ton more of spread option runs for Tannehill even though he's shown good mobility and ability to gash the defense on certain runs.

"I think at this level you have to be very careful," Sherman said. "You don't want to build your offense around that in particular. I think we want to do it when people aren't really defending that as much and you just throw it on them once in a while. If people are defending that, there's ways to defend it and it can really cause some havoc for your quarterback. And also, if they do that, your offense.

"You have to be very judgmental when you do that. It's something we'll do but not a heavy dose."

Some side notes from Sherman:

Receiver Armon Binns had 10-12 snaps and "had a winning grade," according to Sherman. Not bad considering he joined the team on Tuesday and played on Sunday.

When Charles Clay went down Sunday, the team moved Anthony Fasano to his position. It was a position Fasano hadn't played all year.

"He knew exactly what to do as we had to move the tight end group around," Sherman said.

Fasano this year has been spread out, in tight. even In the backfield. Yes, he's versatile. Not great. But good enough to be versatile.

On defense, the issues are different. The defense is frankly ahead of the Miami offense. While the Dolphins offense is striving for consistency, the defense has mostly reached that and is looking to take the next step.

I believe this is a playoff defense that is a couple of playmakers from taking a step to dynamic. I asked Coyle if his unit is a playoff defense.

"Well, it's tough to say," he said. "I think statistically in a lot of areas we're doing fairly well. They're key area we've talked about a lot during the course of the season -- scoring defense being one. Looking at the stats today I think we're No. 6 in scoring defense. When you can keep people from scoring, you're going to have a chance to win a lot of games. Consequently, you're going to put yourself in position to be contending for the playoffs. So that's a positive.

"Third down defense has been a positive. I think right now we're fifth in the league in third-down defense. there's a lot of good things that way. We're No. 1 in red zone defense after looking at today's stats. We were down there a few times yesterday and fortunately we didn't let them in the end zone. All those things being positives."

But what makes defenses good enough to get a team in the playoffs into defenses that succeed in the playoffs? Big plays.

"We've got to make more impacting plays on defense. We're not making the turnovers that [the media] has alluded to. We're not creating field position like great defenses do. Ultimately that's what we want to be. We want to do all the things we're doing now, but do them better and create more opportunities for offense and score on defense. We're not pleased that we haven't put the ball in the end zone."

Some notes from Coyle on a handful of players.

The coach said Jason Trusnik, starting for the injured Koa Misi, had a good day.

"He showed up on the fourth down play obviously but there were a number of plays in the run game where he fitted just exactly right," Coyle said. "Coverage-wise there were a number of plays where he covered the tight end down the field where I thought he did a great job. We were worried about their tight end being a vertical threat and Jason on a couple of occasions had him man-to-man and did a good job. He had a couple of good zone drops. Overall, I think he played really well."

The Dolphins had issues in the secondary Sunday -- not so much in performance but in numbers. Both Nolan Carroll and Chris Clemons left the game for multiple snaps -- and that thrust Bryan McCann and R.J. Stanford and Tyrone Culver to step up.

"We had to juggle some people around and that created some opportunities," Coyle said. "Bryan McCann played a number of snaps, quality snaps in the game and came up with some big plays later in the game."

Coyle said the Dolphins got their hands on more footballs and tipped more passes away than other game. Unfortunately for Miami, no interceptions -- even if it was Chad Henne throwing it for Jacksonville.

Jared Odrick is an interesting player. He was drafted in the first round as a 3-4 defensive end. Now he's caught between and betwixt because the Dolphins are running a 4-3 scheme. So Odrick is starting at DE even though that really isn't what he's best suited to do.

Can he play 4-3 DT?

"Could he do it? Perhaps," Coyle said. "I'm not sold that his best position right now."

By the way, safety Chris Clemons had his "most consistent game" for the Dolphins on Sunday. Clemons graded out at 90 percent. That means that on 90 percent of his plays, he got a plus. The Dolphins give a plus and minus on every play.

Execution is a plus. Failure to execute is a minus.

"He's been quietly consistent for the most part," Coyle said.

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Don't be too impressed Opti it was against a crappy team.

Before the 76 Super Bowl then Dallas MLB Hollywood Henderson said that Steelers QB Bradshaw couldn't spell CAT if spotted the C and the A.

I will also tell you all I was 6 at the time so decrepit I'm not but my point is these are the talking heads that give us such terms as Bookend Tackles.

See my point!

We lost to some crappy teams with our starters. Just looking forward to the direction the team is headed in.

Just saw a clip of B. Marshall calling for accountability. "Even if jobs have to be lost". I guess the Phins FO and coaching staff saw the cancer developing and had it removed.

This from a Rocket scientist in Henderson who had worn out his welcome in Dallas because of drug abuse and was signed by Miami in or around 79/80 and was found in stupors on all fours looking for Cocaine pebbles on the Dolphins practice field by Shula himself before breaking his neck in a Pre-Season game.

Yeah I get where you are coming from Opti.

Opti,

While I would love to toss Marshall under the bus he said he was passionate about the game and everybody including himself should be held accountable. I wish instead of the sideline tirades he'd have done more of that here, by the way Urlacher seems to agree with him if you caught his interview played on NFL Net.

I would not let Long go if at all possible. I would try to get him resigned and then trade him. I would probably gamble with the franchise tag and see what other teams would offer. I doubt that we would get a 1st but possibly a 2nd and 4th. I think he has value and we need to get the most out of it one way or another. I don't believe we have anyone else on the team that I would use the franchise tag on. Roll them bones.

Just maybe the term "Bookend Tackle" in the very many coaches, coordinators, assistants and some commentators mean the tackles that can contain the D line and the MLB so the screen or a RB bounce to the outside might work. Looking for the positive on the comment.

Not all of it F4L. Just the clip. But Urlacher should watch what he wishes for. If a new coach does come in and him being hurt almost every year. He might not go out with a BOOM at the end of his career.

long is gone. might hurt a little but will help with cap

F4l,

I'm All For Wallace. Dashi has been Calling For Wallace Since PreSeason!! You Can't Teach Speed!!

My Biggest Problem With The LB's Is How SLOW THEY ARE!! ALL 3!! Misi Is Actually The Fastest LB Right Now!!

F4L, What Dashi is Saying About The WR Prototype. Is That I'm Starting To See A Prototype For Philbin and Sherman!!

Look At Fuller. Look At The Draft Picks! The 6th and 7th Rounders. The Acorns Picked Up Throughout The Year!!

What Is The Prototype WCO WR? Big, Strong, Good Route Runner With Hands!

2 Ways To Go Deep!

Either Out Run The Guy!

OR

OUT-JUMP THE GUY!

Right Now!! Our WR's Do Neither!

And In The Red Zone!! Height! Is Better Than Speed!!

Trust Me! Revis is The Best CB!! IN THE NFL!! BUT HIS 1 PROBLEM!! IS HE IS SHORT!!

Philbin Is Starting To Show A Prototype! 6'1"+ 210+lb And Runs a 4.4! A Bigger, Stronger, Faster Wr!!

Bess Works! Because He Is A Football Player! And Is A GREAT ROUTE RUNNER! WITH REAL GOOD HANDS! Plus For His Height Bess Is A Big WR!! 5'9" 195 lbs!

Letting Long go will suck but unless he comes back with a cap friendly deal, we have no choice. I think a tag and trade might be what Ireland has in mind. People will pay for him injuries or no.

Long can still be very good for a "Run first" team. You can see that he mostly faltered in the pass protection. He will be in demand. Tagging him is against his strength. "Run Block" might not be what Philbin and Irekand have in mind.

I just Hope it isn't FIRELAND making the decision next year! Because if that loser is here next year this team will again be from the outside looking in! It just sickening knowing what Parcells and FIRELAND has done to this team!

Howdy fin4life,

I agree and would tab FA WR Mike Wallace as well. The thing about drafting "fast" guys to play for you is that until you see them in a real NFL uni it's really difficult to see what their p[lay speed will be like vs other Pro level players. I would pursue Wallace as a number one get as this offense is dying for explosive players that can catch.

A couple of things we do know is that the NFL is pass happy league bent on getting points. The rules are favoring the offensive player winning more and more of the time. If you give a guy with Wallace's speed a hall pass on contact down the field he should win most of the situations OR equally draw a flag.

His speed is of the variety you can actually see. He flat runs much faster than most every other NFL player. The bomb to Hartline a couple weeks back where he was looking back for the ball and missed it. Bombs this season to Bess? Huh, Sherman??? Wallace can get out in front where Tannehill can launch to.

I would follow up the move by grabbing Cal WR Keenan Allen in the first round. (Orlando, I know you don't like any WRs in the first but by the time all is said and done Allen will be plenty worthy. He is young too so has more upside. He can run like a Greg Jennings type. 6'3" fluid, flypaper hands, hops to spring up for tough grabs. His large target range to grab balls thrown off target will enhance Tannehill's completion %. I believe he will grow into a WR AJ Green from Cincy type.

Lastly I would move to get TE with some speed, size and hands. The kid from Notre Dame is interesting as a big target 6'6", 251 lbs with some good body control. He is a willing blocker as well. Not sure that he can get the needed separation in the NFL but sure has lots of tools, size and ability.

A WR corp of Keenan Allen, D Bess, Hartline and Mike Wallace should be able to not only get open but help Tannehill by making some tough grabs. This leads to longer drives, more rest for the DEF and more TDs.

I would lose RB Daniel Thomas and keep Bush at a lesser price.

That's my thought as of now fin4life. Let's see how things unfold. Bowl games, combines, pro days...lots to be determined.

Cheers,

X.Rhodes Will Fit As the 1st Pick Or 2nd Depending Where He Is Supposed To Go!!

U Add X.Rhodes To S.Smith! And The Pass Defense Should Be Greatly Improved! Not A lot Of Teams Have 2 CB's! Over 6'3" 200+Lbs! Carroll Has Shown He Can Hold His Own!! As The Nickel!! And Coyle Seems To Be Producing Acorns! With The Guys Ireland Found In-Season!!

The Only Weak Spot In The Secondary!! Will Be Clemons!! And If Dashi Has His Way!! That Would Be Another Rookie!! Elam From UF!! In The Second!!

The Wr! Should Be Signed In FA! WALLACE!!

Wallace, Bess, Matthews, Binns, And A 2nd Round Pick!!

Bye Bye!! Hartline And M.Moore!!

see the TK8 is out in full force right now, You got Odinstank,Douchi,Fin4life and the other Neo-Nazi youth movement on here, Guys could you all please Leave.

OdinDouche, Tell us about the time you played at wood stock.

Odindouche,Please tell us when you will be voted into the Rock and Ro;; Hall of fame.

In between the goings and comings, we are still alive for the Playoffs.heeheehee

One thing to keep in mind.....which teams have great secondaries? Teams with a great pass rush! Evidence for that is the game last night. In the first 3 quarters, the 49ers were all up in Brady's grill and he sucked. Threw two picks to their "elite" secondary. However, when the pass rushers got hurt (Justin Smith) and tired (the rest of them), Brady ate their lunch. Great pass rushing creates great secondaries more than the other way around. We need another pass rusher to compliment Wake. Our safeties are very good (Jones is excellent and Clemmons is pretty good). I'm interested to see how some of these new CBs play the rest of the year to see if we can avoid having to draft one opposite of Sean Smith(who is a very good #2 CB). We need in no particular order:

Stud WR(MUST)
Pass Rusher(MUST)
LB to replace Dansby and his high salary cap hit(MUST)
TE seam threat(MUST)
O-Lineman (RT or a Guard) Let Jake walk. He'll probably blow out his knee walking anyway.

If Ireland can hit those positions we'll be looking good. Upgrades at CB and OLB would be nice if possible.

I don't know, Randy, Vernon was putting good pressure in the QBs yesterday, but it was against a very sukkky Team.

What do these Coordinators know? Almost as much as Armando.

It wasn't when Justin Smith got hurt that NE staged a comeback, Randy. Just that Jim H decided the Game was over ad started to play soft Zones. What an ASsshole he was.((is)(Jim).

Nobody here seems able to comment with me at this Moment.

Not fair, not fair, many here might claim, but study as hard as We have had and do still, and you shall have It.

Three people that have begun a long and permanent decline...

Tebow
Sancheese
Sporano

Before the game yesterday, blogger Yesterday posted several times how RT was equaling the worst of his scouting reports and commented how he may have far more downside than upside. Once the game started, Yesterday never addressed the subject again, even though I prompted him.

I believe my initial assessment was correct. Yesterday was only open to viewing the situation with a negative eye, so he remained silent once RT played well,

Locker was picked #8 just like RT. I'll take RT.

Dashi talks to Aloco in one post.....

Aloco Attacks Dashi under a different name in another post.....lol....

Signed,
Sleeping with dogs gives you fleas....

Kris in black
Kris in blue
kris, KRis, kRis, how do you do?

I see Miami needing a couple of pieces to become contenders, assuming there is chemistry.

I mention chemistry because it is the undefinable characteristic that separates a team like the Patriots of early 2000's with the current Patriots. They are still better than most teams, but they aren't as powerful.

Miami needs chemistry. And a little more talent at specific positions. But they aren't a bad team. They kept in both Patriots and 49ers games.

Cleveland is similar...a lot better than their record, but something is definitely missing....chemistry.

BTW group if some of you think that you can discredit my sugestion that they draft more than one player at a position of need early in the draft,you might have a short memory.Without even researching what year was it that these same Dolphins drafted CBs in the 1st and 2nd round? thats right 2009 in that draft they also drafted WRs in the 3rd and 4th here you are:

•Round One (25)- Vontae Davis CB
•Round Two (44)- Pat White QB
•Round Two (61)- Sean Smith CB
•Round Three (87)- Patrick Turner WR
•Round Four (108)- Brian Hartline WR
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/70176/2009-nfl-draft-one-year-later-miami-dolphins/#qtGM34fP1LEO0Xvd.99

KingShula = QueenieBoy

Charles Clay out with torn knee ligaments

Gnight gang or should I say posters and all yur screen names.

D Thomas, biggest bust ever?

There is nothing wrong with the Dolphins that an elte QB wouldnt fix.

We will never catch the Jests with Irescum as a GM.

Vishnu will supply guidance to you.

Hare Hare

Rama Rama

Hare Rama

Krishna Krishna

Well, they're expecting another 15,000 for another yawner game this sunday.... Fins vs Buffalo YAWN.

I don't get the Ireland hate. Tony Sporanus was not his fault.

Nick, when Irescum traded 3 draft picks for D Thomas the draft room broke out in hysterical laughter LOL

The 2013 draft and FA must be focused on stopping Tom Brady and Manning if we really want to compete for a SB.
A great O line will not help us win playoff games, but a great front 7 will. We need a dominate pass rush and killer line backers.
We are wasting Wake.
Upgrade at corner would be nice.

jcb,

i'll forward that over to the coaching staff. i'm sure they never considered any of that and will be deeply grateful.

Odrick has 2 sacks in the last 2 weeks. That I noticed. Leave him at end and see what happens. (+ I really like his goofy-ass PeeWee Herman sack dance. Fuckin. hilarious!)

"Nick, when Irescum traded 3 draft picks for D Thomas the draft room broke out in hysterical laughter LOL"

Posted by: LOL

LOL, just wondering how you know this? You were in that room? Or is it a conference hall, or auditorium? Please, give me details because I want to converse with someone who has been "in there"...

LOL,

Also, while you were in the draft room observing, is Ireland a coffe and doughnuts guy? Did you fetch the coffe and doughnuts, or was it just coffee?

LOL,

Reason I ask is because coffee AND doughnuts early in the morning can be disagrreable with the stomach. Was it just coffee, or doughnuts too?

Thx small, because our D looked real stupid against the San Fran run game. Not to mention the run by Kapernick to ice the game.
And dont get forget about Brady's 6 minute 4th qtr Dr.
Oh well... At least we still in the hunt, lol

They Allow These 2 Teams To Play On MNF!! WTF!!

Hopefully Sporano stays AS OC 1 More Year!! And Sanchez!!

The Jets Are About To Go Into Total Collapse Mode!! The Next 3-4 Years!! Guaranteed!! Their Cap Situation Is Worst Than Anything The Fins Have Ever Done!!

Only Qb Worst Than Henne!! MARK SANCHEZ!! THIS GUY IS A JOKE!!

Ireland Isn't Even The Worst GM!! In His Own Division!!(He's Actually Second Best)

Remember Players and COACHES!! The GM is Responsible For Both!!

What were The Bills Thinking!! Giving All That Money!! To Fitz To Play Qb!! And Hiring Gailey! Then Wannstedt!! Classic!!

Then Add The Idiot!! In NY!! Trading Like 5 Picks To Draft Sanchez!! Then Signing Him To A Extension!! Then Hiring Sporano To Run The Offense!! Really!! Does T-Bomb watch Football? Who Did The Jets Draft In The Jake Long Draft?

That's Right "A REAL BUST"!! A TOP 5 PICK!! WHO DID NOTHING!! Then He Followed That With another Top 5 Pick For Sanchez!! A Qb With Less Experience Than T-Hill!! And Less Athletic Than Matt Moore!!

T-Hill Is Supremely Athletic!! Henne Has A Cannon For A Arm!! And Devlin Is The Second Coming Of Pennington!! So Yes!! That Leave Little Hands!! And Sanchez Is Even A Worst Athlete!! Than Matt Moore!! Will Ever Be!! And Has Even Smaller Hands!! Never Seen A Qb Fumble Moore Than Matt!! Until Dashi saw M.Sanchez Play!!

Sanchez Reminds Me Of Matt Barkley/Matt Lienhart! A Product Of A System!! With A Weak Arm!! And Is A Born Loser!!

As a minority viewpoint, I think we should keep Long even if he is fairly expensive. If possible give him the big bucks but weight it to incentives. I agree he has declined but that may be transient when he has some time to heal up. What we know is that he can do a good job at LT. Martin is showing something but Long is better and Martin has a lot of strength development to go before we know if he is a true LT.

My reason for wanting to keep Long is that we already have too many holes - WR, TE, OG, CB, and I believe at big RB (since Thomas is generally stopped by the first blocker.) We hurt ourselves by trading away Marshall and creating a hole that killed us this year. We do not need to repeat next year. We have five picks in the first three rounds, use them to focus on filling our biggest remaining holes - a pass catching dominant TE (possibly #1 because versatile first-rate TE generally do not last to 2nd or 3rd round), a fast WR, a shut-down corner, and strengthening at OG. Beyond that we need a pass rusher to partner with Wake - Vernon may be it but is not assuredly so.

Along the same lines we should keep Bush even if pretty expensive because he fills an important role and if we fix the OG problems will be even more valuable.

2013 Miami Dolphin receiving corps. Bess, Hartline, Wallace, Jennnigs and drafted rookie.
TE, Winslow. CB, University of Alabama.

Mel kiper was right Jake Kong needs to move to Right Tackle now,Get rid of richie and get Warmack from bama. Start miller Draft Best Cb and Wr in second, sign jennings amd Te Finley put bess at#4 Wr we would be unfair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dashi not resigning the leading rusher, and the leading receiver, and cutting the leading tackler on the team at the end of one year is the craziest thing I have ever heard.

Chris Clemons is afraid of contact and can't tackle for shyt, but he gardes out well....sad.That's why we don't make the big plays on D. Nobody wants to do the hitting in the secondary with the exception of R.Jones.

For those of you who think we have a "lousy" O line. Be aware that our left tackle is a perennial "All Pro", the Center is probably going to grade out as a top rookie of the year, our right tackle(a Stanford graduate) is no slouch on the right side a position new to him this year and now performing really well on the left side. This rookie takes no guff from anyone. We also have what many claim as "the dirtiest player" in the league. If there has to be one, I want him on my side. This indicates that the "D" linemen have their heads on a swivel when Richie Incognito is around. Can we improve? Yes. But we don't need major overhauling just some pieces.

DO NOT RESIGN LONG UNLESS AT A GOOD RATE.DO NOT RESIGN BUSH UNLESS AT A BARGAIN RATE THAT IS FAIR TO HIM. SIGN MIKE WALLACE MAKE HIM THE TOP PRIORITY AND DO NOT ALLOW JETS,BILLS,OR PATRIOTS SIGN HIM,IF THEY DO WE ARE DOOMED IN THE BOTTOM OF OUR DIVISION. IF PATRIOTS GET WALLACE(DO NOT THINK THEY WILL TRY) THEY WIN THE AFC AGAIN FOR THE NEXT 3-5 YEARS. IF BUFFALO GETS HIM(HOPEFULLY THEY CANNOT AFFORD) THEY WILL BE THE TEAM OF THE FUTURE AND WILL SURPASS PATRIOTS AS THE DEAN OF AFC EAST. THE DOLPHINS SIGN WALLACE THEY COULD SURPASS NE NEXT YEAR WITH IMPROVEMENT IN THE SECONDARY AS WELL. IN THE AFC EAST WHO HAS THE BEST DEFENSE? DOLPHINS! WHO HAS THE 2ND BEST QB? AGAIN THE DOLPHINS! FITZPATRICK AT BUFFALO DOES NOT HAVE TANNEHILL'S UPSIDE! AS FAR AS SANCHEZ! GARBAGE! GARBAGE. IF WALLACE WAS PART OF THIS OFFENSE DO YOU THINK THE DOLPHINS WOULD HAVE BEATEN THE JETS,CARDS, BUFFALO,AND EVEN THE COLTS? YES BECAUSE THE THREAT OF THE DEEP BALL OPEN UP THE FIELD FOR HARTLINE,BUSH,AND BESS AND EVEN FASANO! THAT IS THE MISSING PIECE! TEAMS CAN NO LONGER STACK THE BOX AND THAT MEANS MORE LONG RUNS FOR BUSH(IF STILL HERE) MILLER. MORE SPACE FOR HARTLINE(MUST RESIGN) AND MORE WINS (10-11 NEXT YEAR) THE PROBLEM IS IRELAND AND ROSS! DON'T SPEND AND YOU WON'T WIN! THE FANS WILL NOT RETURN UNTIL YOU DO.

I agree with Fake GM. If Thomas has a little room, he is off to the races for 8-10 easy. Jake's been great but he can get a good trade value and the Fins get a mauler on the right side. Clear a lane for the backs, clear a lane to the playoffs.

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