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Matt Moore at a crossroads this offseason

Look around the NFL games this weekend and you'll see teams that need quarterbacks or intend to go to camp next year with a competition to see who starts at quarterback.

This list is long:

Jacksonville, Philadelphia, Arizona, Kansas City, probably Buffalo, maybe Minnesota and Cleveland.

And that brings me to Dolphins backup quarterback Matt Moore. He will likely have a decision to make this offseason because he is unsigned and because he still believes he can start in the NFL and because that won't be in Miami and because it might be some place else.

"Do I think I can play in this league? Yeah," Moore said Thursday. "Whether it's here or somewhere else, you need to be given that shot and it's hard to look at other places and put yourself in other people's shoes. Situations are what they are everywhere. There's different situations and issues everywhere. I don't worry about what's going on right now."

Right now all Dolphins players have been warned about thinking ahead to the offseason. I wrote a day or so ago that coach Joe Philbin told players to concentrate on the Patriots and nothing else. It's the reason cornerback Sean Smith and other pending free agents have hesitated to talk about their upcoming free agency.

But free agency is staring all of them in the face and that includes Moore, who will not get a shot to win the job in Miami next year but might elsewhere. And that possible chance to compete elsewhere seems appealing to him.

"I'm just looking for an opportunity," he said. "I'd love to be a starter. But we'll figure all that out in the offseason."

Don't get Moore wrong. He's a great teammate and he proved in the Jets game this year that he can come off the bench and play at a high level and lead his team to victory. So he can be a fine backup and re-sign with the Dolphins to do that if he wishes.

That's not a bad gig.

"I'm not unhappy doing that," he said. "But as a player and a competitor I'd love the chance to start somewhere. I think I can. I think I'm capable. Playing and the right situation is something you definitely have to look for."

Obviously someone is going to have to first offer the chance. And so Moore will hit free agency hoping for that chance. That's the priority. Even then, he's going to have to weigh location and situation because he has a family now and his next contract will likely permanently seal him as either a guy with a chance to start or a backup.

And if someone makes the offer, Moore is gone and the Dolphins will be searching for a backup QB. Otherwise, Moore will be offered a contract to be Miami's backup.

"I need to figure all that out in the offseason," he said. "Maybe it doesn't happen and I might be here."

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He is a heck of a qb but last week he sucked. He threw two ints to end the game when they had a chance to win it. The throws were just horrible decisions on Bens part. As good as he is last week was on him imo.

Posted by: Phins78 | December 28, 2012 at 01:50 PM

Phins78,

That's exactly why I try to give some slack when judging a rookie qb, more specifically Tannehill.

Even the best veteran qb's make bad decisions on some throws. It happens...

Tannehill has made mistakes, but has also looked very sharp. As the season has progressed, his td
passes have now equaled his int's. 12 td's, 12 int's. Six td's and only one int in the last five games, I believe.

Here's hoping for a good showing, and a win, at NE.

Mark, Moore is a notorious bad practice player. Thats why Sparano didnt start him either. He had to learn another new offense this season also. But he excels in real games. He's the team MVP for a reason.

Being from Wisconsin you'd think Philbin would've known how good Russel Wilson is.

I wish our society was a theocracy run by corporations. God and Exxon will build and maintain anything we need.

The Patterson thing is just fans being fans. They react to the moment, and have the attention span of a gnat.

Maybe he's a keeper, maybe not. Nobody here is even remotely qualified to assess his prospects any further than that.

The only (near) certainty is that Miami will almost assuredly have CB among their offseason priorities regardless of how Patterson performs in a VERY limited time frame.

Scotty i dodn't care if he's a bad paractice player or whatever (which I don't buy). If you know your job is on the line, you produce and I don't make excuses for people who don't. He lost fair and now he can pack his bags. BYE BYE MEDIOCRE MAN

I think Tannehill will turn out to be a wasted pick. He's not better then Matt Moore. We could've used that pick and moved up to get a Justin Blackmon. Only time will tell but I have a feeling that in 3-4 years when Tannehill is no longer our starter everyone will agree with me.

Why would anyone with an IQ above 'melon' have expected Tannehill to put up big numbers in an offense so lacking in downfield speed? Are you guys nuts?

Just doesn't work that way, and for a kid with such raw skills I think he's done VERY well...especially considering how few mistakes he's made.

Tannehill is part of the ANSWER for this team, and is going to be a quality starter for a long, long time.

Scotty, maybe you're right but the pick had to be made. We needed a QB with top end skills - enough of these average joes. Maybe you like being 6-10 every year with a vet but I don't. I'm a lot happier with 7-9 or 8-8 with a rookie who has a better chance of getting better.

...Young quarterbacks tend to run more then vets for a few reasons. They just do not have the experience vetran quarterbacks have(the good ones) at reading defenses. it is much easier to escape from the pocket then trying to be accurate passing through progressions. Much has been made about Sherman, and Philbin saying Tannehill may have missed some opportunities to tuck it and run. He obviously had the coaches in his ear about this after last weeks performance. Anyway, what this says to me is that Tannehill is trying to get through his progressions maybe to a fault. This is a good sign for him in the future if we can get recievers who can consistantly get open.

Another thing is how these quarterbacks run. There is a difference between guys like RGIII and say a Russel Wilson. Wilson doesn't seem to take the huge hits once he takes off. This is huge, he knows how to protect himself. Tannehill athletic as he may be seems akward as a runner. I know he was a reciever,but perhaps this is a disadvantage. You would think that his experience as a reciever would help him as a runner with the ball. The diiference is that you expect your WR's to take some hits, they do not because of the nature of the postion have to shy away like a quarterback should. I may be way off base here, it is just my own opinion.

Tannehill wants to throw first, run second. This is very much evident from his play this year. The ability to run is a bonus, I just think the team will benifit from his experience this year trying to be a true pocket passer.

I dont disagree that "the pick had to be made". I just think Moore should've at least opened the season. And I do think he's the better QB. Time will tell.

Ross picked Tanny thinking he would sell some tickets. Not sure if that worked out as planned.

Why Tannehill Was The Best Decision Over Matt Moore:

1. Turnovers

2011 Matt Moore had 9 picks, but had 14 fumbles, 6 lost. Total 15 turnovers.

Tannehill, 12 picks, 8 fumbles, 3 lost. Total 15 turnover. Advantage even.

2. TDS

Moore had 16 passing tds. Tannehill has 12. Both are even with 2 rush tds.

Passing Tds? Brandon Marshall had 6 recieving tds alone. Last season Hartline again had only 1 recieving td. While Bess had 3. Thats 2 more than this season. Could that also be the Marshall effect? Advantage even.

3. Sacks

Matt Moore was sacked 36 times. Tannehill has been sacked 28 times, or 8 fewer times while starting 14 games. Advantage Tannehill

4. Rushing

Matt Moore had 32 rushes for 65yds @ 2ypc. Tannehill has 47 rushes for 203yds @ 3.1ypc. Advantage Tannehill.

More-lovers, the facts cant be disputed. I know that your primary argument is Moore isnt a "PRACTICE QB". But these are "IN GAME" not PRACTICE" stats.

..@ 2:29.. I agree. Lets see what happens with the secondary this weekend. If we are going to take the next step to be in the coversation as a serious team. The secondary is going to have to prove we can handle top offesive teams. To our credit. We have done fairly well against the better offenesive teams this year. Sure we have had some poor moments, but that can be said about any team.

The trend of passing offense forces the defense to play in more nickel looks then ever before. So much, I would be willing to bet we play nickel a larger percentage then any other one defensive formation. Jimmy Wilson is not the answer, and the spot has to be examined for upgrade this offseason. We may lose Smith, which to some may be a blessing. In the bigger picture he was kept, not Vontae Davis. This should be a hint about the clubs futrue plans reguarding Smith.

I guess some people think Moore was voted team MVP by the players because he stunk?? HAHA

Darryl,

I really am impressed so far with Tannehill's pocket presence. On one completion during the Bills game, he dropped straight back in the pocket, felt pressure from the edge, and calmly shuffled/stepped up and delivered a nice pass down the middle.

I know it sounds unimpressive describing it here, but just seeing the comfort level he seemed to show on that particular play impressed me.

...I don't understand the debate concerning Matt Moore v Ryan Tannehill. Once Tannehill won the job this preseason the debate should have ended there. The team did not select a quarterback in the first round with the idea Matt Moore was the future here. Even if Moore would have won some games Tannehill did not. What good would it have done this team moving forward? Another wasted season. At least Tannehill was allowed some huge game time experience. Something as more valuable then sitting on the sideline with this particular team.

What was he going to learn this year on the sideline? Throwing him into the fire was in hindsight the best decision this team made this year. Hopefully this gave the team the information it needed to surround Tannehill with the weapons HE needs. So we can move forward, not stay stagnant with a stop gap to nowhere.

DD,

I dont think we'll lose Smith. He hyas zero pro bowl appearances in 4 seasons with Miami. He's ranked "middle of the pack" at best in cb rankings. No one, including us, will offer him a premium cb fa contract.

This suggests to me, and should also suggest to Smith, his best career decision would be to remain a Dolphin. I dont really see anyone other team coming at him hard unless badly needing a #2 corner. Or thier present corner is "beyond sucks".

I beilieve Ireland definitely has the "negotiating leverage" over Smith and his agent. He's never been a pro bowl alternate. He's currently tied with 2011's career high with only 2 picks.

Tannehill doesnt look like the 8th player in the entire draft. But Ireland doent get the blame for this one Ross does.

..The Signal.. I agree. It is encouraging to see him try to throw first, and run second. I would think inside of the club they would be in agreement. Even though publicly they said they thought Taneehill missed some opportunities to run. Part of the reason there have been less sacks this year is we have a guy that can move in the pocket. Put Henne back there, and how many more would we have had?

Scotty,

When you finish 6-10 youre not going to have a long list of guy competing for team mvp. IMO, 2011 team mvp could have easily been Reggie Bush too.

An olineman would rarely win it, andprobably the team's best player, Cam Wake, had a down year last season with only 8.5 sacks.

So for team mvp there were only 2 serious candidates(Moore/Bush). You could throw both names into the air and which ever hit the ground first, made him 2011 team mvp. Neither threatened a pro bowl appearance last season.

Hw can you really base being team mvp last season with havbing any "real importance" when the team finished 6-10? I really dont get this.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Tannehill's play improved once he began to use his legs and run more. This is the Ryan Tannehill I saw play at Texas A&M. He's is a duel threat QB and seemed to hold back on his running once he suffered that knee injury in the Jets game. He has looked alot more comfortable in the last 1/4 of the season than anytime before. I believe Ryan Tannehill is developing into a true NFL Starting Caliber QB. He's only begun to scratch the surface of how good he can be. I'm confident he'll be able to lead this team for many years to come. With more experience the sky is the limit for Tannehill.

When will some gety it though thier "NUMB SKULL" Tannehill was not drafted 8th overall on his ability to come in and be a day 1 starter.

"NUMB SKULLS" will never blame Matt Moore for Tannehill being a day 1 starter. I mean, "NEVER"!

It will ALWAYS be EXCUSES, EXCUSE, MATT MOORE ISNT A GOOD PRACTICE PLAYER.

WE ALSO FOUND THAT HE ISNT A GOOD "PRESEASON QB" EITHER. HE DIDNT LOSE HIS STARTING JOB IN "PRACTICE. HE LOST IT BASED ON PRESEASON GAME PERFORMANCE.

So the team votes him MVP last year and some of you are still stuck on last year while the rest of us are looking to Sunday and the future. Moore did ok with his shot last year going 6-7 with a true #1 receiver but of those 6 wins did not beat anyone with a winning record.
Tannehill is 7-8 with a #2 and plenty of number 3-4's.... hmmmm and is a rookie at that..

There ya go YG4E... "he's not a practice player" whats the excuse for them when you bring to the table he was out performed in game situations?

I mean, we excuse Matt Moore for being a bad practice qb, and a bad preseason qb, if he p[layed "real games' like at least a top 10 nfl qb. But the 2011 season, and his qb years prior to 2011, clearly suggest that has never been the case either.

Keep chomping at the bit Moore freaks. One day you'll even begin to believe yourselves.

..YG. According to the rankings. Smith is the 15th rated corner in the league. Higher then any of the prospective free agents that will be available. Not bad. Smith IMO is under-rated as a cover guy. We know his hands suck, that he doesn't create turnovers. but as a cover guy, the stats say he is a top 20 corner. I think he holds the cards as far as his contract goes. Will he and his agent perhaps take more money to go elsewhere as a top dog on a bad team? We don't know what his motivation is. Would he take less to go to a team where he is a complimentary piece? I think he will have some suitors this offseason. Would it make sense to franchise him if he and the team cannot come to terms?

No matter how much we scream, Tannehill is the choice. I am going to support this guy until all you guys start screaming about him, then I will stick up for him for a few games and then pile on. That is what makes bloggin fun.

..Here is the link to the cornerback ratings as of December 25.. Slumz.boxden.com. The information was taken from ESPN.

MattyB,

2011, we didnt get to see much of what a horrible preseason qb Moore also is because Henne was named "clearcut starter" goin in. It was never a starting qb competition.

Which leads too, Henne has still been Henne, in Jax. Moore never threatened to supplant Henne in Miami. Had Henne not been been injured in 2011, it was still very "unlikely he would have lot his starting job to Matt Moore.

This is the same Matt Moore many here speak of as if he were our "franchise qb-future". I dont get it.

I just dont get it YG, I mean he went against #1's and stunk it up, against #2's stunk it up, and against 3's and 4's and stunk it up.
tannehill goes against 3-4's and picks them apart, 2 does decent and #1's does ok yet Moore turns it on when the lights come on lol..
Moore is a solid back up and I wish him well if he decides to go off. Every team needs a back up like Moore.
Remember Volmer when he was in Tennesse? Came in and started when McNair was hurt and looked like a starting caliber QB and then got a shot elsewhere and couldnt start..

DD,

Smith ranked 15th overall? First of all post the page you got this from.

2ndly, I'll still trust my eyes. No, Smith isnt horrible, though at times he can be. But Smith is a solid cover corner at best. Who also seems to make far more tackles than you would like to see after the catch than passes defensed.

Also, for a cb his size, his run support impact is just plain average at best. Ive seen games where his effort against the run was just totally appalling. So anyone who like to "overpay Smith", just let them have at it.

The thing that bothers me about S Smith is I feel he plays too soft too much... Giving too much respect to any WR..
For example its 3rd and 9 and he is playing 15 yds off the line of scrimmage.. I dont get that.. youre ensuring that the WR at the very least gets the first down.

WHY EVERY ONE IS ATTACKING MATT MOORE ?


DD........WHAT DID YOU HAVE FOR CHRISTMAS ?


YG........ WHAT DID YOU GET FOR CHRISTMAS ?

..Yg. I posted the site. I was trying to look up cornerback ratings. I'm not an ESPN insider, so this was all I could find. Suposedly it was taken from ESPN. So there you go. I was trying to compaire Smith to other free agents in 2013..

ALoco,

No one's really attacking Moore. Moore says he believes he can be a starting qb. Every qb that goes into the nfl believes this of himself, or he doesnt belong in an nfl camp.

On the other hand, it comes down to not what a qb belives himself, it comes down to the eveidence a qb presents of himself. If it were a court of law, Matt Moore would be set free for "lack of prosecuting evidence" if the evidence was supposed to "convict him of being a starting nfl qb".

DD,

IMO, Smith has shown he's an average starting #2 corner at best. If anyone's willing to "overpay" to make him a #1 corner, huge mistake.

If anyone is willing to "overpay" to make him a #2 corner, again huge mistake. They are better served going via draft or cheaper fa to find this.

Even if we resign Smith, at the right price, we can still get away with having 2 "average starting corners" if we hugely upgrade the 2013 passing attack.

With the Dolphins luck Moore will become a star QB for the Jests!!

^ sounds like a good Christmas

ALoco,

The terrible thing about Matt Moore is that he's as likely to be a bottom 1/3 starting qb as he is a middle of the pack starting qb.

TYhe guy's absolute ceiling is middle of the pack. While he's more likely to bne a bottom 1/3 starting qb. You never wanty that from your starting qb if youre planning to go forward as a franchise.

Its great for the backup qb position. You just hope that you dont lose your "true starter" for the entire season.


With the Dolphins luck Moore will become a star QB for the Jests!!

Posted by: Zonk | December 28, 2012 at 03:52 PM
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You mean like how Sparano became a star offensive coordinator with them?

Moore is a totally pedestrian, average NFL QB who will probably be a career backup.

You people that see him as a star in waiting must have funhouse mirrors in your house. Or really good drugs.

Ireland could do with Sean Smith like he did with Soliai, franchise him then try to work out a mutually beneficial deal. It turned out well with Big Paul.

With the Dolphins luck Moore will become a star QB for the Jests!!
Posted by: Zonk | December 28, 2012 at 03:52 PM

Zonk,

I really dont see this happening unless the Jets keep both Rex Ryan and Tony Sparano. Right now this seems highly unlikely.

If Rexs stays, I dont see him retaining Sparano, and if a new hc comes in, I dont see him retaining Sparano as his oc neither.

oscar,

Really? Franchise Sean Smith?

While we're at it, lets just return the Colts thier 2nd rd pick and bring Vontae Davis back too. Makes as much sense, doesnt it?

YG...WHAT IF TANNEHILL GOES DOWN TO INJURY PR HE STARTS TO PLAY BAD ,WHO'S THE BACKUP ?

Why was Big Paul franchised, YG? He was not proBowl then just with a lot of upside. Like SS, IMO.

HOW IN HELL YOU FRANCHISE AN AVERAGE PLAYER LIKE SMITH ?


THE CELLAR ,,,,,,

Theres been so many times where Sean Smith was beat for a TD and the WR just flat out dropped the ball. Stevie Johnson comes to mind, SS is a #2 in my eyes.

I said it, not to you, ALoco, but to YG. Because of upside. Like Soliai was, like Soliai was franchised. Exactly the same. No?

Not saying it will happen, just saying it CAN happen if Coyle desires it.

ALoco,

One of 3 things regarding backup qb happen in 2013:

1. Moore'e resigned at the "right price".
2. Devin has impressed coaching staff he's the b/u.
3. A cheap vet backup is signed

Either way, if Moore walks, we're likely to bring a cheap vet in. Even if it means brining Garrard in again.

moore will have fun in arizona next year

oscar,

Smith has shown his "upside" the past two seasons. A solid at best #2 corner with career high "2 picks" in each of the last two seasons.

Far from "franchise material".

Sean Smith and Vontae Davis = more Irescum busts

Happy Holidays guys!!

Been out for a couple of weeks doing the Disney thing with the Family

2 things on the topics of conversation going today:

1) Matt Moore more than likely will get an offer from either the Cards or K.C. and both would be attractive options for him.

In Arz. he would have some very talented WR's to work with. I thought his play paired with Marshall last Yr. showed that given an elite talent to work with at WR he can produce given he is a gunslinger type who will put the ball up there without fear or hesitation and he'll have Fitz, Floyd, Breaston and Duecet who have basically been rotting on that team. The one MAJOR draw back for him is that the OL out there is about as BAD as it gets and RB B.Wells who has all the potential in the World seems to be coasting through his career.

In K.C. if Bowe is retained he will have the OL and RB's to run their O effectively and feel this system will suite him better. I also feel that while everybody sees Vick with the Jets I got this feeling the Cards could be were he ends up given they have the D and pieces to make a run with him right away but given the beating Vick took behind that horrendous OL in Philly the OL situation in Arz. will give Vick pause.

I say all of this because I don't feel Moore gets another 3 Mil a Yr. contract from us and it speaks volumes that if not for injury we probably carry 4 QB's given I believe the Coaching staff likes Devlin and he will be the future back up of the team with a much cheaper price tag.

2) As far as the DB situation goes I think although some might disagree if we can close with a win at 8-8 making our 1st RD pick middle RD then a player Like Xavier Rhodes could be a very tempting proposition. As I've stated many times I truly believe we address WR in a very talented FA group with Greg Jennings maybe being the addition. He's posted only 260 rec. yards this Yr. due to injury and the emergence of speedy R.Cobb and J.Nelson paired with G.Jones could make him a CAP casualty although I would love to see Mike Wallace be our guy.

In RD-2 we can then with one of the picks again go DB with such talents as TJ McDonald and Eric Reid still on the boards to pair with the seriously emerging R.Jones who maybe the unsung hero of the D and has made everybody forget Y.Bell in a hurry. These moves with a splashy WR FA signing would address the most key positions on a team after the QB and propel us to Playoff contender quicker than some might think, now if Ireland can ever land a T.E. who can actually play then we may make a bigger leap next Yr. than anybody thinks.

He(SS) has a great DB Coach now, YG. You don't find 6-3, 6-4 DBs hanging from trees like the ones that Seattle has.

I say re-sign S. Smith, R. Bush and Hartline if and only if it's at a bargain price.

NONE of these guys are consistent enough at all the facets of their positions to be given high end deals!

Hartline disappears too often and R. Bush doesn't get enough positive gain plays or pass protect well enough to add consistency to our offense.

S. Smith shows good man coverage, weaker zone and NO ability to make crucial plays.

M. Moore shouldn't even be a topic at this point. He fills in nicely when teams haven't prepared for him or he is playing 2nd rate competition. When he was given opportunities here and with Carolina, he did nothing. SMH as to why so many people think he could be anyone's long term QB solution.

fin4life,

I would love to see our first 3 picks go pass rush(if 1st rd) and both 2nds go recieving help(2 wrs or 1 wr/1 te).

Or, if not a pass rusher(1st rd), 2 wr's(1 1st rd) and a TE.

A number 1 pick in 2014 can be use at getting a true #1 corner. I believe our 2013 cb positions will be solid enough to spend our premium 2013 picks on offensive weaponry.

Smith is FAR from the "terrible" player some of you have him pegged as, but he is quite average.

That said, unless Miami is extraordinarily lucky in the offseason they won't be able to upgrade BOTH CB slots. That simply isn't realistic given other needs and despite some cap space and additional picks, they do not have a bottomless pit of money or opportunities.

With corners, you will find fans EVERYWHERE saying the same things with very few exceptions. As players, they are somewhat isolated and their mistakes are magnified. When they play well (unlike, say, a rreceiver or back) you barely see them at all.

Smith would improve by proxy with better help on the other side, just as any offensive or defensive player is elevated when those around him perform better. It's not as if even the BEST defenses have 11 Pro Bowlers running around, y'know?

So, yes, great if they can upgrade that spot but it's not a priority. The other side is.

oscar,

Doesnt matter that a db is 6'3-6'4. Its the impact a db has no matter his size.

At 6'3-6'4, a db's greatest impct should be his physicallity in the run game and shutting down big wr. Smith is plain average at both. Plus at this size he needs to be a 5 int cb per year, in the least.

Smith just doesnt bring the impact a cb his size is supposed to bring. A great example is:

How does Sean Smith compare to Mel Blount? Oscar, you go far enough back to remember him, right? LOL...

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