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Matt Moore at a crossroads this offseason

Look around the NFL games this weekend and you'll see teams that need quarterbacks or intend to go to camp next year with a competition to see who starts at quarterback.

This list is long:

Jacksonville, Philadelphia, Arizona, Kansas City, probably Buffalo, maybe Minnesota and Cleveland.

And that brings me to Dolphins backup quarterback Matt Moore. He will likely have a decision to make this offseason because he is unsigned and because he still believes he can start in the NFL and because that won't be in Miami and because it might be some place else.

"Do I think I can play in this league? Yeah," Moore said Thursday. "Whether it's here or somewhere else, you need to be given that shot and it's hard to look at other places and put yourself in other people's shoes. Situations are what they are everywhere. There's different situations and issues everywhere. I don't worry about what's going on right now."

Right now all Dolphins players have been warned about thinking ahead to the offseason. I wrote a day or so ago that coach Joe Philbin told players to concentrate on the Patriots and nothing else. It's the reason cornerback Sean Smith and other pending free agents have hesitated to talk about their upcoming free agency.

But free agency is staring all of them in the face and that includes Moore, who will not get a shot to win the job in Miami next year but might elsewhere. And that possible chance to compete elsewhere seems appealing to him.

"I'm just looking for an opportunity," he said. "I'd love to be a starter. But we'll figure all that out in the offseason."

Don't get Moore wrong. He's a great teammate and he proved in the Jets game this year that he can come off the bench and play at a high level and lead his team to victory. So he can be a fine backup and re-sign with the Dolphins to do that if he wishes.

That's not a bad gig.

"I'm not unhappy doing that," he said. "But as a player and a competitor I'd love the chance to start somewhere. I think I can. I think I'm capable. Playing and the right situation is something you definitely have to look for."

Obviously someone is going to have to first offer the chance. And so Moore will hit free agency hoping for that chance. That's the priority. Even then, he's going to have to weigh location and situation because he has a family now and his next contract will likely permanently seal him as either a guy with a chance to start or a backup.

And if someone makes the offer, Moore is gone and the Dolphins will be searching for a backup QB. Otherwise, Moore will be offered a contract to be Miami's backup.

"I need to figure all that out in the offseason," he said. "Maybe it doesn't happen and I might be here."

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Orlando D,

Did you seriously compare Brian Hartline to Mike Wallace because that one is laughable and later you state we draft B.Werner because Starks will command 10 Mil. a Yr.??

Starks hits FA looking for 10 Mil per and it will be a LOOOOOOOOONG Off-Season for him. My guess is he will net in the 4 Yr./20 Mil. range

It may have been worth letting T-Hill start and sacrifising this year, only time will tell. The truth is that considering that we don't have elite weapons on offense, T-hill has shown a lot of improvement over the last few weeks and I have to say has convinced me that he is the QB of the future in Miami. All I am saying is that with this year's schedule and with our Defense, Moore gave us a better chance to win this year, especially early on. The Jets and Cardinal games early in the year have come back to hunt us.

course it was worth letting him start. would of been a wasted year in 2013

Dashi,

I LMAO every time people say M.Wallace is a one trick pony. If you watch the Steelers at all you know alot of what they do is based on route running were the WR has to be precise so Ben can hit them getting big YAC. They really only take 3 to 4 shots a game with the deep pass and now that I think about it you don't watch the Steelers because you would know that Wallace plays inside the slot or outside as do E.Sanders and A.Brown making them interchangeable and one of the reasons the Steelers haven't opened up the wallet outside of being a cheap Org. In their defense this was born out of need long ago see that team is majority owned by Banks and a host of minority owners out of which they have the biggest piece but only at around 30% the Rooney's I believe only have a 300 Mil. stake in that Billion Dollar Org.

wallace huge deep threat

fin4life,

Did you see the numbers I posted. Hartline this year has more total yards, more yards per catch average, and more receptions than Wallace. In my opinion Wallace is a bit over rated and I would not waste 9 or 10 million a year on him. At the right price sure I would love to see him lining up with Hartline and Bess. Hartine is very under rated and exremely under appreciated by this fan base. He is only the 8th player in fins history to catch over 1000 yards and has the fins record for yards in a game.

DTs command a lot of money. Paul Soliai is making 12 million this year. Is Paul Soliai that much better than Starks? Someone is going to pay Starks a lot more than 5 million a year. They were both selected as pro bowl alternates this year.

Im out.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | December 28, 2012 at 07:44 PM

YG says goodbye but never leaves. LMAO Stalking, stalking....


orlando wallace missed games, had charlie batch and leftwich start games. he has much better options around him also

I want a FA WR to sign here also and I am not sure that Hartline can be a #1 WR in this league. All I am saying is that we need to re-sign Hartline and add a FA WR (my preference Bowe).

Also, if Wallace is so great, how come Big Ben has not adovcated resigning him. The reason the Steelers are going to let him walk is because they don't feel he is worth the 10 million he is asking for and think that he can be replaced.

Orlandodolphan,

I have no problem bringing Hartline back "really cheap".

1 td a year wr's are ALL OVER THE PLACE.

Even Armon Binns has 1 td recieving for the enture season and we pulled him from the waiver wire.

RYAN TANNEHILL MADE BRIAN HARTLINE A PRO BOWL ALTERNATE THIS YEAR. ENUFF SAID!

HARTLINE SHOULD SPLIT HIS PRO BOWL CHECK WITH RYAN TANNEHILL.

HARTLUNE IS PROBABLY THE FIRST 1 TD CATCH PRO BOWLER IN NFL HISTORY!

Orlando D,

Before I give Hartline 6 to 7 Mil. a Yr. which has been speculated he will negotiate for I give Wallace a 9 Mil. offer and let the chips fall were they may.

Your facts are a bit skewed as well, first of all Wallace held out as a RFA refusing the 2.7 Mil tender (He is right in saying he's worth more but his restricted status killed leverage)

He showed up 3 days before the Season started and had has issues with management and didn't get going till around 3 to 4 weeks into the Season which goes to his numbers but unlike the other unhappy contract camper in Pitt. (Mendenhall) he's performed. He was the reason they nearly beat Dallas in a game they were down 10 nothing quickly. In other words showing up when the team needed him.

Paul Soliai got 12 Mil last Yr. as the FRANCHISE player but was signed to a 2 Yr. 12 Mil extension. In other words he makes 6 Mil. per not 12 and Starks in today's 3/4 NFL is a DE in the switch were he averaged 9 sacks a Season very good but not elite numbers.

In the 4/3 he is better suited at DT were he's very good but there aren't many teams running it these days.

Agree that Hartline is better between the 20s but if you let him walk you are going to have a new hole. Even if you bring in a big play receiver like Wallace or Bowe, he will be the only option as Bess is more of a slot guy. Hartline has developed good chemistry with T-Hill and has become his favorite target. He only has 1 TD but has 70 receptions and 1000 + yards. He is clearly our top receiver and we need to add to what we have. Bowe/Wallace, Hartline, and Bess sounds like a good receiving corps to me. Let's add other playmakers at other positions in the draft i.e. CB, Pass Rusher, TE.

EVEN WITH A PRO BOWL RECEIVER AND RB TANNEHILL STILL

STUNK!!!!!!

Also, if Wallace is so great, how come Big Ben has not adovcated resigning him. The reason the Steelers are going to let him walk is because they don't feel he is worth the 10 million he is asking for and think that he can be replaced.

Publicado por: Orlando Dolphan | December 28, 2012 at 08:13 PM

After his rookie Season Big Ben wanted Plexico Burress in his mega prime back and guess what he was sent packing.

Hey wasn't Santonio Holmes awesome in Pitt. getting the S.B. MVP the Yr. before he was sent packing over money.

All time Steeler Hines Ward had a nasty hold out back in 04 ect....

The Steelers have always been a cheap Org. for the facts I stated earlier and the confidence in their Scouting Dept. led by Art Rooney Jr.

What Big Ben wants is in-meterial period end of story!

Mike Wallace's stats suggest he's a great #2, not #1 wr. Here are his yearly stats:

2009

16gms /39 receptions/ 72 targets /756yds/ 6 tds

2010

16gms /60 receception/ 100 targets /1,257yds/ 10 tds

2011

16gms /72 receptions/ 113 targets /1,193yds/ 8 tds

2012

15gms /64 receptions/ 119 targets /836yds/ 8 tds

Now these numbers suggests to me that Wallace is more the perfect #2 wr, than a #1 wr. Based on these numbers, I see why the Steelers are balking at giving him a premium #1 wr contract.

His target to reception numbers are kind of high. His best reception year was 72. Only his td numbers are great as a #2 wr.

fin4life,

I agree that 7 Million a year for Hartline may be too much but it tells you that he is a pretty good receiver that he is going to command that much money. The problem is that you cannot go into next year with basically 1 great receiver (possibly Wallace) and Bess. You need another WR to complement that FA acquisition and this draft does not have an elite receiver in it (i.e. Calvin Johnson). Therefore, whatever receiver you draft this year, probably would be a downgrade to Hartline (at least in his first year).

You are right about Soliai's contract of 12 million over 2 years. Even if Starks gets the same contract, I still think Odrick would be a cheaper option and not much less of a player. I still feel we need another stud pass rusher to complement Wake and beleive that a great pass rush helps hide shortcomings in the secondary. That is where I would go with our first pick and would not reach for a receiver.

Good post YG on the numbers for Wallace. That underscores the fact that Wallace is not worth 10 million a year. Solid TD numbers but not worth 10 million a year. That is Calvin Johhson or Andre Johnson type money and he is definately not that.

Tannehill drops his arm too often and has too many passes batted at the line despite being as tall as he is. He also lacks accuracy on downfield throws and prematurely reacts to pressure. Doesn't seem to have the best peripheral vision when it comes to seeing the pass rush either.


Guys,

Mike Wallace averages 65yds recieving per game for his entire career. Hardly anything special when not catching tds.

Clearly why the Steelers still see him as the ultimate #2 wr, but not the go to guy as a #1 wr. He's not the guy you break the bank for trying to make a #1 wr.

As a #1 wr, I believe teams will double him more to take him away. He stioll may get his 7-8 tds recieving, but little else significant after that. I absolutely love him as a #2 wr, just not at #1 wr and a huge fa bill.

YG/ Orlando D,

You guys aren't on the Wallace bandwagon fine, your opinions but he's a good route runner who will take a 5 yard slant and go to the house on any given play. Reggie Bush is slow in comparison which is saying something because on the 53 yard run he had last week I doubt anybody gets the angle on Wallace like they did on Bush.


Orlando D I never saiod I wanted to draft a WR in this particular Season because there is no AJ Green in the bunch and if there was we wouldn't be in position anyway. The alternatives (Woods, Allen, Hunter) don't inspire and in honesty I would take Steadman Bailey RD-2 for my money.

Say what you will but Wallace can be a #1 on alot of teams, I feel he proved it with those 2010 stats YG put up given it was the Yr. he replaced Holmes and don't forget that's not a team airing it out 50 times a game they believe in the run more than anybody outside of Minn. stuck with Ponder at QB.

YG,

In throwing out the numbers on Wallace, you might want to check out the numbers(2 td's last year, 4 this year) on Antonio Brown. The Steelers signed him to a 5 year $42 million deal(extension) in the off season. That deal came after a 2011 season that shows 69 receptions, 1108 yds, and 2 td receptions.

orlandodolphan,

$10 million a year isnt Calvin Johnson money. Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald. Both make in excess of $16 million per year.

Still. $10 million is a lot to give a wr that isnt a true #1, just a great #2. We can find an equal or slightly better #1 wr option in the draft. A whole lot cheaper too.

T-Hill has shown no progress.

TanneHill = Henne + Pretty Wife

And whoever said earlier "eff" Moore for costing us Luck/RGII.............right on!

Another decade of futility looms.

Ireland guaranteed to botch multiple pix this year.

Orlando, Wallace is exactly what the Dolphins need. This offense is by far the SLOWEST one in the league. SPEED is what we need. Wallace has it and scores TDs, two things we seriously lack. I agree with you, Hartline is solid, but the problem is he doesn't scare anyone. Yes he had 1000 yards receiving and his biggest ability by far is getting open, but he won't run past anyone, scoring only 1 TD would indicate just that. Again, don't get me wrong, I want to keep him, but adding Wallace to the mix would be HUGE, no question.

We lack speed at both the WR and TE position...If Tannehill is going to thrive, these issues have to be resolved...And needless to say adding speed would definitely help out our running game, which has been pretty inconsistent to say the least...

Signal,

The Steelers, after seeing both in camp and practice everyday, may have discerned Antonio Brown has more potential to be a true #1 wr. At $8million a year, they may consider him a steal as a true #1 wr.

Even more reason to be suspicious of the Steelers not get a deal done first with Wallace instead. Wallace probably wants #1 wr pay, but after Steelers observation, they are more convinced he's a great #2 wr. So buyer beware!

Give me Mike Wallace and Dustin Keller and draft pass rushers and defensive backs..That would be AWESOME...

I see by consensus I'm alone on my train of thought regarding Wallace but I recall a few weeks back with a few players displeased over money ect.. That Tomlin de-activated Mendenhall and benched Wallace before the Cowboys game which I guess nobody watched except for me because while Emanuelle Sanders and Antonio Brown are great players in their own right there not Wallace who Tomlin quickly puts into the game when facing an early 10-0 hole and he was the difference in bringing them back smoking Brandon Carr up and down the field and by the way in Overtime when Carr makes the pick on a lousy Rothlisberger pass to seal the win he was throwing to Wallace just like last Sunday on another lousy pass Vs. the Bengals were Reggie Nelson made the pick, yeah you guys are right he's not the money guy Ben's looking for in a tight spot.

Montreal,

The Dolphins need 2 wr's, a #1 and a #2. Wallace would be just what we need at the #2 wr position. Im trusting the Steelers that he isnt what we need as a #1 wr.

Theyve seen him everyday for the past 4-5 season and are not 100% convinced.

fin4life,

I do like him just not for the money he is looking for. Ten million + money is reserved for receivers like Green, A. Johnson, C. Johnson who can take over a game. I don't even think that he is as good as Brandon Marshall (on the field). Marshall can take over a game and has been a perrenial pro bowler. His numbers have been off the charts.

Again, I would resign Hartline and sign the cheapest option out of Bowe, Wallace, or Jennings. I would take a rookie WR in the 3rd or 4th round and take Zach Ertz the TE from Stanford in the second. I would even double up on TEs in this draft as NE did with Gronkowski and Hernandez.

Fin4life great posts. They were fun to read.

One thing though. How many problem players do the Giants, Patriots, Packers, Texans, and Colts have?

I understand your point, a team can be succesful with problem players, that is true. But where are the examples of championship teams in the past 5 to 10 years that have more than one player who gets in trouble?

It seems to me the teams and coaches who aren't afraid to sign these guys are good not great. They post winning records and then crap out in the playoffs every year imo. Just like the Dolphins used to when they were making headlines for arrests on a weekly basis, couldn't win the important games because the teams CHARACTER was weak. I for one am fine with signing high character guys.

And Marshall can not be used as an example here. He had to go. He's a hot head bully who can't keep his mouth shut. That makes him a rookie QB killer in my opinion and that made him expendable.

Yesterday, matter of opinion and I certainly respect yours...I think Wallace would be our #1 and Hartline our #2...I don't really care what the Steelers think, I know Wallace is a playmaker. Pittsburgh has always been cheap but having said that they're also very smart...It wouldn't make any sense to have so much money spent on one position and they're certainly aware of that...I think Wallace could be our#1, Hartline a solid #2 and Bess a solid #3...Finding a playmaker at the TE position would only make these guys better...This team can't afford to ignore the TE position again...Enough is enough...

Give me Mike Wallace and Dustin Keller and draft pass rushers and defensive backs..That would be AWESOME...

#1 Dolphin Fan in Montreal | December 28, 2012 at 09:10 PM

I'm with you 100% but were in the minority. When Philbin talks about building through the draft he speaks as if Ted Thompson or Ron Wolf were still running things for him. In 5 Yrs. Ireland has found us Devon Bess, Brian Hartline (luck here because he was drafted to play S.T.'s the guy before him Patrick Turner was the man) and Micheal Egnew to be our WR's and T.E.

Man I hope the Jets don't re-sign Keller...He would look GREAT in a FINS jersey...

Dwanye Bowe has 5 tds recieving in 2011, and 3 thus far this season.

Yes, he had a huge 2010 with 15 tds, but that it. Other than 2010, Bowe's been nothing but an overated possession #1wr.

You guys wanting Bowe may also be wanting into the "witness protection" program once he gets here too. He may have 1 great season and the rest "pedestrian" there after.

This is from an article written in 8/2011. Here were the highest paid receivers:

Larry Fitzgerald, ARI

$15M

Steve Smith, CAR

$10.9M

Brandon Marshall, MIA

$10M

Calvin Johnson, DET

$9.7M

Andre Johnson, HOU

$9.2M

I would not pay Wallace more than C. Johnson, Brandon Marshall, and A. Johnson. Again those receivers can take over a game. Wallace is a nice receiver but that is a lot of money to pay for a receiver that has yet to put up #1 receiver type numbers. I would take him on my team for the right price tag and in addition to Hartline.

fin4life, I agree with building through the draft, it's a proven formula...But I have a feeling the Dolphins will spend more money on free agency this year simply because they MUST bring back the fans in their stadium...People can call Ross whatever name they want, but the thing he's NOT is stupid. You don't become a billionaire by being stupid. Again, I'm just guessing here but I think the Dolphins will spend big, they have the money to do it. Can you imagine having all this money to spend and you don't do anything with it?? Who the heck will want to go watch this team play?? Ross knows this and he wants to win...

Probably the safest fa #1 wr of all looks like Greg Jennings. He probably doesnt break the bank and is willing to play for Philbin.

I have reservations about Wallace and Bowe after reading thier career numbers. Im sure some of you dont mind, as long as you can be right. If your plan happens and doesnt work out, Im sure Tannehill will be your scapegoat.

Just hope Ireland puts in far more work than some on this blog when it comes to signing a fa #1 wr this offseason.

YG,

Look at it however you want, but the bottom line is the Steelers are paying a heck of a lot of money for a receiver who put up stats very close to Hartline's - less than 800 yds, and 4 td's.

orlandodolphan,

Calvin Johnson was extended over the offseason. He makes over #16 million a year now. Just thought you would like to know that.

Signal,

Armon Binns was cut and put up td numbers equal to Hartline. Hartline is a guy I would never use as measuring stick of greatness.

Any comparison with Calvin Johnson is absurd...There's only one Megatron and that's it...He's the Lebron of football...Mike Wallace is no Calvin Johnson but nobody else is either...The closest guy to him imo would be Andre Johnson...Nobody can compare with Megatron...

YG,

Bowe has been hurt this season and he has the worst QB situation outside of perhaps the Cardinals in the league. I am hoping that the numbers you posted and the injuries can bring his price tag down. He reminds me of Marshall, big physical WR. He is 6'2'' and 225 pounds. He has no one to throw him the ball in KC. I think that he mentioned that he wants to come here. I beleive that he has had off the field issues so I am not sure if goody two shoes Philbin would entertain bringing him here.

YG,

I do agree with you as far as Jennings is concerned. If Philbin pushes Ireland in that direction, I'm all for it.

..I think Wallace could be our#1, Hartline a solid #2 and Bess a solid #3...Finding a playmaker at the TE position would only make these guys better...This team can't afford to ignore the TE position again...Enough is enough...

#1 Dolphin Fan in Montreal | December 28, 2012 at 09:18 PM


Again lock-in-step with your thinking happen to see it this way as well. I would add that when we pick the second time RD-2 if WVU WR Steadman Bailey is there I pounce and quickly. With my 1st pick I grab FSU CB Xavier Rhodes (this from a Canes lifer) pick 2A for me is either LSU's S.S. Eric Reid or USC's Safety TJ McDonald (Dad was Tim all timer at Safety) 2B is Bailey or Z.Ertz (T.E.) from there I'm a happy camper and go BA throughout.

Yesterday, who told you Jennings would come to Miami because of Philbin? I hate to tell you, but when it comes to money MOST players go where the money is...Not saying you're wrong, but I have my doubts on that one...

Seems with many posters here all it takes is seeing a guy in 3-4 espn top 10 highlights a season and youre ready to declare him the answer to our ills.

Youre lazy and sloppy with your research, and even when you do thorough research, youre only looking for evidence to prove yourselves right.

Just great you arent running the team. You would have far more misses than Ireland. I pretty much guarantee it.

OK YG, that was an article from last year. Thanks for correcting me. I figured that a couple of receivers might have signed for more this year but my point is that 10 million for Wallace is way over the top. As great as C. Johnson is, that is so much to pay a WR. I don't blame the Steelers for not wanting to pay that kind of money for a WR. There is a salary cap in football and I am not sure paying that kind of money for a WR is worth it. The Steelers, Packers, and Patriots have managed to win Superbowls recently without paying recivers that kind of money. If you are going to use 1/6 of your salary cap on a player, I would use it on a QB. Look at the Lions they have less wins than us and have a 16 million dollar WR.

Wallace is one dimensional. Ben made him what he is. The Steelers are not stupid. They know his value and won't pay a dime over.

We may pay him over, that won't make him better.

Bowe played 16 games in 2011 with only 5 tds. He's played 13 games this year with only 3 tds. Yes, lets blame it all on injury and qb.

Matt Cassell was KC qb when he had 15 tds recieving in 2010, the same qb in 2011 when he had 5 tds recieving.

If the Steelers, a noble organization with a top QB, don't see Wallace as a #1 worthy of top dollar, why should we?

Montreal,

I never said, "Jennins was coming to Miami".

I said Jennings is most likely of th all of t fa wr's to come to Miami because of the Phiolbin connection. Geesh, you guys read and still place words into the mouths of others.

Yesterday, chill out...Thought you meant something else...The way you posted it...No big deal...

Our last star receiver, savior, diva, didn't last long. Didn't catch many td's. Didn't fit in. Let's not assume then other cast offs will do better simply because we think so.

Other teams cast off's are seldom stars on their next team. Think Roy Williams, Haynesworth, ect.

Hell, for all any of here knows, the fo may forego fa period in bringing in wr's. It could be thru draft only.

Im just hoping this fo thoroughly does thier hoework and doesnt make any decisions that will greaty backfire on the organization.

I dont give a damn abot being "right". I just want another campionship team in Miami before I leave ths earth. LOL...

I mean "homework". Ireland did his "hoework" with Dez Bryant. LOL...

Funny to read all the Wallace and Finley talk on here.
Friendly wager fellas....this isn't the way this team will go. No chance!! And then we read all the 'Ireland isn't doing his best to make the team better BS'.

Mike Wallace is a very good player. No question. No arguing this fact. But he's not worth $9 million a year on this team or any team. This isn't how you build a winner. You build it through the draft.....and that's how the Dolphins will do it. It's how they did it in GB and it's how they'll do it here. So don't get your hopes up fellas.

Bucs went out and through big money at Vincent Jackson. Very good player and he's played well but their record isn't any better. Bills big money on Mario Williams. He's played well but team isn't any better.

This isn't how you build a winner. It's the lazy, quick-fix answer and it never works out. It's not the way Philbin and Ireland will build this team.

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