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Through 12 gamess Moore was better than Tannehill

Remember when Joe Philbin, faced with a rebuilding year, staunchly refused to admit the Dolphins were rebuilding?

We all expected it to be a rebuilding season and knew for certain it was coming when rookie Ryan Tannehill won the starting job in the preseason. Let's face it, many rookies need time to acclimate and grow into the quarterback position in the NFL.

(Well, maybe not Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, and Russell Wilson but you get the idea).

The point is Tannehill has so far proven one thing this year and it is not that he's a future franchise quarterback. He's proven what everyone said before the draft was right. He's raw, he's inexperienced, he's a project.

The proof of this is not so much how Tannehill compares to the other rookie quarterbacks within his own draft class. It is how he compares with the veteran who played with basically the same cast of talent in Miami last year.

The proof is how Tannehill compares to what Matt Moore did with the practically same offensive group last year. And this is the perfect time for that comparison because Tannehill has started 12 games for the Dolphins. And Moore started 12 games for the Dolphins in 2011.

Tannehill has completed 210 of 363 passes (57.9 completion percentage) for 2,559 yards. He has thrown seven TDs and 12 INTs. His quarterback rating is 72.3. The Dolphins are 5-7.

Moore in the same number of 2011 games completed 193 of 321 passes (60.1 percent) for 2,330 yards. He threw 16 TDs and 8 INTs. His quarterback rating was 88.7. The Dolphins were 6-6.

The comparison is valid now because obviously the number of games between both players is equal. But the point is not necessarily that Moore was better.

The point is the Dolphins this year have taken a step backward in quarterback performance. Moore delivered better QB play than Tannehill but still was not deemed good enough because Miami drafted a quarterback in the first round and signed another accomplished veteran in David Garrard.

But now the Dolphins are accepting worse quarterback play with the expectation that today's pain will lead to tomorrow's gain. No one is saying that Tannehill should be benched -- even Philbin this week admitted he's not considered it at all this season.

And no is is suggesting the Dolphins will need to look for another (better) quarterback in the draft next year -- no one is saying it yet, anyway.

Why?

Because this is a rebuilding year. Tannehill is getting something of a pass this year.

Even if Philbin didn't want to admit it early on.

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I like Moore, solid QB, but I think what you've seen is what you're gonna get going forward......ie. not alot of upside from here so probably a mediocre/below average NFL QB--not terrible, could do worse, but I think its fairly clear that Tannehill's upside is higher, probably by a good bit--kid has a rocket arm, throws the ball with gusto downfield (needs to improve accuracy, true), moves well, seems decisive--I like Moore's moxie, and that helps him at times but hurts him at times (he plays like he thinks he's better than he is.....can be good, and bad)--Moore is just more limited, thats all--IMO.

UR right canosa and who's to say that Matt B. is going to be the next elite QB out of the draft.tired of this talk, I've watched some of the USC games this yr and I think he will be no better than tannehill unless he goes to a team loaded with talent so he just has to manage the game. Tannehill needs to improve, thats no doubt but with the talent around him it won't be this yr. PLEASE draft to fill holes, not to replace a rookie QB.

agree Optimistic--sign 1 significant FA to fill a hole (WR, CB, LT?) and draft to fill the others--we should be in decent position with a bunch of picks in the first few rounds

does the schedule play a factor here?

did armando really compare hartline to marshall?

you think hartline garners as much attention from opposing DCs as Marshall?

I thought you followed football for a living.

Has everyone forgotten that if it wasn't for David Garrard getting Hurt.. Ryan Tannehill Probably WOULDN'T Be starting!!

Shouldn't we look at QBR where Tannehill is 20th?

Armando,

It was about a year ago I emailed you indicating that Moore should be given the opportunity to start. Why? He won games and almost won against the two Super Bowl participants. He had Marc Colombo as his right tackle and every team sent rushers to Colombo's side, yet he still won. He threw a great deep ball with touch. I expected the Dolphins to get him some weapons by drafting a WR in the first round and pick up a tight end in free agency. It just did not happen because Ross wanted a "franchise QB" Tannehill has potential but winning this season just was not going to happen and I indicated as such. So what did the Dolphins do; draft a TE who can not get on the field, a talented running back who has not played because that position is taken by a talented Reggie Bush. Moreover they unload their offensive weapon in Brandon Marshall without a replacement due to picking up a "franchise QB" Guys on this site have posted how great Ireland is. One of them from Canada pretends to know everything yet knows nothing as evidenced by this seasons results. That has not stopped him from championing the cause of players that lack talent. A scout told me in 2008 that Parcells was one of the worst personnel guys in the NFL. That may even be an understatement. His lack of recruiting ability still has this team not able to make the playoffs. We all should be sorry that Parcells did not take the job with Atlanta. Look at Atlanta now; they had a woefull season in 2007 but because the Parcells/Ireland regime came to Miami they will make the playoffs again this season.

I think it would be Great if the Dolphins could pick up Vick and make him compete. With Tannehill- What happens if Tannehill goes down. You know what in. An ironic twist of fate maybe Devlin is a sleeper.

One thing for certain Matt Moore would be like a kid in a candy store if he could start.

Salguero, I'd like to see the same criticisms towards Ireland. After 4 years he's proven to be such an incompetent in tracking talents.
T-hill is struggling but is giving his best. C. Newton had a great season last year, and look now. What about, Stafford, Gabbert, Sanchez, etc. This team has a completely new staff with a veteran moron as GM. So honestly, I would't blame T-hill yet. We all expected no more than 6 wins this season, some not even 4. So this is not a surprise. You can blame T-hill for 2 or 3 losses but not the seven. Yes, Luck looks much better, this isn't a surprise either. The only thing that surprises me is that Ireland is still the GM. This is shocking !

Mando, no one has been a bigger critic of this regime than me but lets b clear. There is a huge difference between Moore and Tannehill. No one has thrown the ball like this since Danny was here. The issue isn't the stats themselves it's a little thing called hope. Tannehill is at least as good as Russell Wilson (whom he beat). It can't b argued that the team didn't whiff for not going after RG3. That was stupid and Ireland is to blame and should b fired. But Tannehill could b big. We've never had someone with this upside since Danny left.

What makes the rg3 thing more indefensible with Ireland is that he's from Baylor. He knew how good this kid was and refused to pull the trigger. He's a complete idiot. I was roundly attacked on here for staring this back in April and of course I'm being proven right. But I DO think Tannehill CAN b a winner. When you take into account his lack if experience he's producing Unbelievable results. But I will never ever let Ireland off the hook for not giving up whatever it took to get RG3. And then to give away Marshall for no good reason. If this was any other walk of life he would b fired. Period.


Tannehill needs to learn how to throw the deep ball. I haven't seen it once all season. 12 games and no deep pass that looked good. Only thing I see that he needs to work on.

Thill got the start because the franchise believes he is the future. I always though his hype was far greater than he ever was. All his hype basically started AFTER the season at A&M. During the year he wasn't viewed as a top tier QB. I don't think he's a Brady, Rodgers, Manning type franchise guy. At best we have a QB that'll manage a team to some ok records. With a strong D and running game maybe he can get in the playoffs....is that what they wanted when they picked him 8th though? Barkley doesnt look like a franchise guy and pleeeease.....Vick? TEBOW? Are you peeps serious??? They have both PROVEN they aren't top QBs.

Philbin stinks. His record proves it. His terrible trades prove it. Quit blaming Ireland; Philbin was the one who thought that Anthony Armstrong was a better player than Brandon Marshall and Chad Johnson combined.

Armando,

Respectfully, tannehill has only Bess and Hartline this year.

Last year, Moore had Bess, Marshall and Hartline ...effectively, tanny was playing with only 2 wide receivers the whole year... THAT IS HUGE!!!

Not to mention, Tanny is a 22 year old rookie... He is growing.....we will have many years of fun to watch this guy have battles with Luck and RG3.

I am a 10 year season ticket holder... I have been to every home game over the last 10 years... Tanny is the real deal! I am sure of it.

Hope you all see the light as well!

(who the heck are all these new posters here?) Hi! If you care to introduce yourselves.

Home was funny but somewhat controversial.

But we still have ALoco, El Dashi, the great odin, YG, and me.

My biggest heartburn is why do the articals from our beat writers have to be so negative. The kid is doing pretty good and what does it matter if Philbin said its not a rebuilding year. If he said it was would everyone be saying he's making excuses right from the start. How about an artical of the positive things we have seen this year. Solid defense and Tannehill is starting to make plays at crunch time. I'm hoping it just gets better from here.

Moore will be starting on a new team next year.

Dolphins will need to get a FA QB or pick one in the draft to compete if Tannehill tanks the remaining four games.

Pennington and Henne basically had the same receivers but they had trouble catching Henne's passes because he only seemed to have a fastball and wasn't accurate.

Moore and Tannehill have had the same receivers more or less (people forget Marshall had a lot of drops). Same problem. T-hill's six TDs is pathetic.

Vince Young could have done better.

To repeat what other posters have said it's not a valid comparison. As big a pain in the arse Marshall was he was a threat that could get open and make plays. A true #1 (albeit with way too many drops). Marshall not being here is a big reason why Fasano doesn't get open as easy as last year. I'm not saying they should have kept him, but it's just not a fair comparison because it is NOT the same group of players as last year as the article says. How can it be the same group of players without the Pro Bowl WR?

Tannehill has shown He can play and has a high ceiling. However, He has regressed after playing well in October. So there is reason for some concern.

6 games
2 starts
73 completions
139 Attempts
52.5 %
3 INTs
8 TDs
1,032 Yards
87 QB Rating

These are Chad Henne's Stats so far for 2012; I think this is a better comparison.

we must get rid of Ireland b4 we can expect 2 get better.....he is a total loser!!!

Hi Guys this is my first post here.
I always enjoy all your comments. Here are my thoughts, Tannehill is our man , You have to be thinking about next season , keep Moore as backup , Bush too and Hartline ( Amazing Pro) , Long going going and maybe gone unless it takes a pay-cut .In the off-season you will need to be aggressive in free agency find that Alpha receiver and a great cornerback. As far as the draft is concerned , TE,CB,WR,OL,LB are obvious needs. I have a question regarding last sunday's game against the Patriot why was Charles Clay not more involved in the passing game? There is a lack of imagination in offensive schemes, too predictable ......Anyway let's win it in San Francisco....

so tired of hearing about rgIII. did you guys see he helped the wizards beat the heat? he can do it all.

it's a proven fact that option qbs don't succeed in the pros.

when he throws the ball it's a long drawn out one option play. he doesn't make progressions...he has one read and if it isn't there he runs. and when it is there it's wide open.

he's having a good year no doubt but when the running is shut down and it will be he'll have to be able to make progressions in his routes and then will be exposed much like cam newton.

so three 1st rounders for one great season isn't worth it. glad the phins didn't piss away their picks like that.


Tannehill didn't have Marshall but otherwise you are correct and we might have been making a playoff push right now if Moore started

I am not sure Tannehill is our future, I think anyone who is not biased would say it is very much up in the air whether or not Tannehill will develop into a quality starter or franchise QB. I do like him , but his numbers cannot be ignored 7tds and 12 picks is way below average let alone franchise material. His accuracy has fallen off considerably as of late, he did have the nice comeback against Seattle, however you can miss guys when they are wide open and you have time to throw it to them for a TD or a third down completion.

You are right Armando it is clear that Tannehill is no better than Moore, and worse even at this stage in his career, so the question would be, why did Philbin go with the rookie if he wasn't ready yet? I hate when teams just throw away a season like that you should try to win every game, if a guy can develop while you are doing that fine but if the vet is better stick him in there an win some games.

Armando You are the biggest Idiot on the face of the earth. YOU SHOULD BE FIRED AND ALL OF THE SO CALLED DOLPHINS FANS. HE IS A ROOKIE, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE WEAPONS ANY OF THE OTHER STARTING ROOKIE QB'S. THE PROBLEM IS ALL OF YOU THOUGHT MIAMI HAD A CHANCE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. LOOK HOW MANY TEAMS MORE TALENTED THAN MIAMI WILL BE SITTING AT HOME. GET A LIFE GUYS.

it defies logic to compare these guys each in a vacuum. but hey whatever gets traffic to your blog.

"Craig, Tannehill is on scholarship for one year.
If he struggles next year I expect he'll be subject to benching and being replaced after the season. I'm not even sure the Dolphins don't draft a QB in April, depending on how Tannehill finishes this year.
NFL is not for long. Two years is a lifetime in this league and more than enough time for today's QBs to figure things out.
Posted by: Armando Salguero | December 05, 2012 at 11:51 AM"

Wow...so Armando you really think that if Tannehill struggles next season he is done and will be replaced? That's a pretty strong statement...think about what you are saying Armando.

Tannehill needs experience playing qb...remember that he did not play qb for long in college...what was it...19 games at Texas A&M? Luck, RG3, and Wilson (not too sure about Wilson) all played qb in college for much longer than Tannehill did. Luck and RG3 were 4 year starters.

I disagree with your statement that Tannehill will be benched if he struggles in his second season. In my opinion Tannehill needs more than two season in the NFL to prove that he belongs and is the franchise qb that we FinFans have been waiting for. Look at Brees...he was really shaky his first couple of seasons in San Diego. The jury was still out on him so much so that they drafted Rivers in the 1st round...how did that turn out? I think most people would agree that Brees is a much better qb than Rivers...San Diego pulled the trigger too early on Brees...they traded the wrong qb...don't you think? Oh and Brees was also a 4 year college starter in Purdue I believe.

My point is...be patient with Tannehill...he needs more than two season to prove that he is a franchise qb.

I would not mind drafting another qb in the 2013 draft. You can never have enough good qb's on your team...never. I really believe that Nassib the qb from Syracuse is going to be special and a really good qb in the NFL. If Nassib is available when Miami drafts in either the late 2nd or early 3rd...I would not mind it if Miami took Nassib. Trust me...Nassib is going to be good and I believe that he is the best qb in the 2013 draft. He's really accurate and can make all the throws and he's smart and runs a pro style offense.

I also think that by comparing Moore and Tannehill you really don't get a true comparison...Marshall is a pro bowl wr and a difference maker...so many coaches would say that you have to game plan against Marshall and know where he lines up on every play...that's a fact. Tannehill has no pro bowl wr's that are a threat...Moore did...it was Marshall. Marshall opened things up on the field for other players...Tannehill does not have that luxury. I agree that trading Marshall was the right thing...he was a mess and may have messed up Tannehill's confidence during his growing pains...in the end it was the right move. I hope they draft a great player for the pick we got for him.

I disagree with your article but it was a good discussion.

Tannehill needs more time than just two seasons to prove that the is a franchise qb. Armando, how could you say that he will be replaced if he has a bad season next year? Brees was shaky for more than two season in San Diego...how did he turn out?

You don't make sense sometimes.

This article has merit. Thill had a huge advantage in camp and during the "qb" competition, he was already and expert on the OC's system. And let's face it this descision was skewed because he was an 8 overall pick. I'd like to see Breakdown of his passes over 30 yards with and open receiver? Those misses against NE were troubling.

Armando said:

"Craig, Tannehill is on scholarship for one year.
If he struggles next year I expect he'll be subject to benching and being replaced after the season. I'm not even sure the Dolphins don't draft a QB in April, depending on how Tannehill finishes this year.
NFL is not for long. Two years is a lifetime in this league and more than enough time for today's QBs to figure things out.
Posted by: Armando Salguero | December 05, 2012 at 11:51 AM"

Armando, how could you say that if Tannehill strugles next year he will be replaced? So you are saying that the coaching staff is going to give up on him after two seasons? Wow that is really not that well thought out. Brees struggled in San Diego in his first couple of years...he was pretty shaky...so much so that San Diego drafted Rivers early in the 1st round. How do you think that turned out? Brees is the much better qb and San Diego pulled the trigger to early on Brees and should have traded Rivers and kept Brees...that's a fact. I can't believe you think that Miami will replace Tannehill if he struggles in his second season. Luck and RG3 have more experience playing qb in college than Tannehill did. Tannehill needs time and more experience playing qb to really be able to tell if he's a franchise qb...he needs more than two seasons. My point is that we all need to be patient with Tannehill. He could very well be the franchise qb that us FinFans have been waiting for.

Armando, you should think before you speak.

I don't disagree with you about possibly drafting another qb in this upcoming draft. You can never have enough good qbs on your team. I like Nassib the qb out of Syracuse. He is going to be really good in the NFL if he gets a shot. He throws an accurate ball, he's got decent arm strenght, he's smart, he can make all the throws, and he runs a pro style offense at Syracuse. Miami's main priorities in the upcoming 2013 draft won't be qb but if Nassib is there in the 3rd round I would take a shot at him if I was Miami.

By all means compare a Rookie QB to a veteran QB! Great job Mando!

Armando, how could you compare Moore and Tannehill...your comparison is not valid. Fact, Marshall is a Pro Bowl wr and he played with Moore and Tannehill doesn't have Marshall or another Pro Bowl wr on this team. I would always listen to opposing coaches and defensive coordinators say that they need to game plan for Marshall and that Marshall would keep them up at night because he is a difference maker and that you need to know where he lines up on every down. Nobody on this team on offense keeps any coach up...that's a fact. Don't you know anything about sports and football Armando? Don't you cover sports and football for a living? Marshall opens things up for others on the field. Moore has the luxury of playing with a pro bowl wr like Marshall and Tannehill does not have that luxury. In the end...I feel like it had to be done because the coaches and Ireland didn't want Marshall to mess up Tannehill's confidence during his growing pains. Marshall was a mess and he wore out his welcome in Miami. Ireland better turn that 3rd round pick that we got for Marshall into a very productive player.

Armando, you should think before you write.

Go Fins!

the problem is ireland cannot bring in the talent to complement either qb and he will have to replace folks just to get us to a competitive level. all the talk that this wasn't a rebuilding year was just that, talk.. regis philbin hasn't been all that a bag of donuts and neither has his staff.. in the same 12 game period, he has a losing record compared to todd bowles who was interim after TS got fired. this mess starts with Fireland and rolls downhill. to not be able to get reggie bush in space is so stupid that they all should be fired!! so sick of watching the pats take advantage of mismatches while we just have our thumbs up our rear ends!! bring in Bill Polian!!

I usually agree with you, but damn after just 12 games, give me a break....

WTF? Come on, for a supposed sports blogger you sure have a short memory. The big difference is that last year Moore had a legitimate #1 receiver even if B. Marshall did under-perform, and a guy that was a burner even if he couldn't catch a ball if it was covered in gum. This year there is no deep threat whatsoever, and defenses know Tannehill is limited in his options so they can shorten the field. Also, Lex Hilliard is a valuable seasoned pro with decent hands, and Javorski Lane is a bust so far.

In other words you're comparing apples to lemons.

I did attend Camp in this 2012 season as a fan, and like it or not Q.B. wise, I thought it was 1)Moore 2)Garaud 3)Tannehill, and #1 and #2 were very tight (winning prospective). And sure enough during an episode of hardknocks Coach informs them garaud is first with moore as back up.12 games later tannehill is not looking good at all..(sorry), This is an obvious business decision, which is starting to fail. The fans dont want to hear it..(don't forget J.long can possibly be gone too).I've been to the games the wide outs and backs are open, the play calls are great,he is just not making quick enough decisions. Lets not forget tannehill is backed by a much improved defense this year..Truth is at this point he cant put up points at this stage in his so called development. Do you believe the Coach in Frisco would have left him in as a starter..? Phillbin must be careful..he's a good coach, just hope he dosent get caught up..

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