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What they said after loss and the reaction

Here is what the Dolphins said after Sunday's 27-13  loss to the San Francisco 49ers and my reaction:

Coach Joe Philbin envisioned making this game close and winning it in the fourth quarter:

"We wanted to play a game where we talked about winning 21-17. We thought it would be that type of game, a close physical football game. In a lot respects it was. But again, in the fourth quarter we had some opportunities to put some more points on the board but we didn’t. Obviously we were too generous. We gave them the ball on the nine-yard line on one possession. They took advantage of that. It was the type of game we envisioned. We told the team all week, ‘I anticipate that we’ll be in a position to win the game in the fourth quarter.’ I told them we had to play a clean game. This is a good football team, we had to execute well. We didn’t make the plays in the fourth quarter. They did. They deserve to win."

Salguero reaction: The Dolphins have scored 21 points only four times in 13 games this year. Sad, but truth is 21 points is wishful thinking by the coach.

The Dolphins tried to get an edge by putting running back Reggie Bush out wide so as to take advantage of a matchup against the linebackers. That advantage didn't last.

“I guess they saw some film and thought they could go 1-on-1 with our linebackers," 'Niners safety Dashon Goldson said. "They did a good job of adjusting, knew that was coming and put a DB on them. We got the best of that."

Salguero reaction: Bush averaged only 7.6 yards per reception. Not dynamic. The fact is Bush this year is averaging 7.8 yards per reception. Maybe it's time we accept the idea he's not quite the mismatch out there as we hoped.

Rookie Jonathan Martin got off to a bad start, giving up a sack to Aldon Smith early on when the NFL's sack leader basically blew Martin up. Smith finished with two sacks against Martin and the Dolphins lineman also had a false start.

“It was decent," Martin said. "He got me on that one bull rush pretty good. There is a reason why he is one of the best pass rushers in the league. He is a good player. It is a really talented defense, talented d-line. It is a tough defense, we didn’t make enough plays to win the game.

“It is a learning experience. I like challenges like that, going against guys that are the best in the league. It took me a little while to get into it, but after a while I felt really comfortable out there."

Salguero reaction: It's his first game and it came against arguably the best pass rusher in the NFL. Martin did ok. He didn't make us forget about Jake Long. It was, indeed, a step back from Long. It'll be interesting to see how much Martin improves over the next three games. So far, he hasn't made anyone forget Long.

Punt returner Marcus Thigpen fumbled a punt inside his own 10 yard line. The 49ers converted the turnover into a touchdown.

“I felt a couple of guys close to me, and I tried to take a peek at the last minute, then I looked back up and I lost the ball," Thigpen said.

Salguero reaction: Marcus Thigpen has been a net plus-plus for the Dolphins this year. He has a kickoff return TD and a punt return TD. Yes, he made a mistake. He also had a 56-yard kickoff return after the San Francisco score. I wish all Dolphins players answered adversity like that.

Cameron Wake had three sacks Sunday. He was more productive than NFL sack leader Aldon Smith.

“I didn’t even realize till just now," Wake said. "I would give away every sack I got for a winning record and opportunities that we are not capitalizing on. It is hard to contribute with that kind of stuff when we are stinking it up."

Salguero reaction: The Dolphins wasted Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas and Patrick Surtain and Sam Madison. They are wasting Cameron Wake's best years.

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Tannehill is the bottom of his rookie class. Thanks Ireland.

It appears that the Dolphins will make no front office changes after this season.

Ireland will run free agency and the draft. It would not be shocking to see him receive an extension.

I'm not saying that is what is best; I'm only saying that is what is probably going to happen.

Given the lack of talent on the roster, 2013 will be more of the same old boring offense/defense/special teams produced by Parcells/Ireland the past four seasons.

Is lack of experience the main cause for T-hill's passing inaccuracy?

Welker becoming a mister-catch-it-all after going to the Pats makes me believe that you can't put all the blame on the receivers.

Kris, you misread me before. I was all for Ireland getting canned BEFORE Sparano. And I would have been fine with him getting canned last year WITH Sparano.

I just don't see it this year. New HC, rookie QB, just was given the stamp of approval by the Owner by keeping him. I'm not sure it would bring more bad press to Miami by dumping him one year after you (the Owner) sing his praises.

With that said, Ireland's best draft year to me was this year. And I'm thinking Philbin had something to do with that.

So, long story short, no, I don't advocate him being fired. I think you give him another year, with Philbin, now that he has a QB (we'll see how Tannehill develops), and see if he can bring more talent to the roster. If not, can him next year with my blessing. DEFINITELY don't let him go ANOTHER year after that saying he needs some time to fill all the holes HE created. So one more year (which I understand for many is one year too long).

In short, the Dolphins are a team that cannot pass, cannot run, cannot stop the pass, and cannot stop the run (even a QB can run for a 50 yard TD against them with the game still in the balance).

The team cannot even play special teams adequately.

Even worse, the team cannot find quality free agents.

Even more worse, the team cannot draft well.

Depressingly, given all of the above, the team does not wish to 'change' so the same GM who has produced four straight nonwinning seasons will be back next season.

Does Tannehill know HOW to win? Does he hate losing more than he loves winning?

I just don't see his fiery passion in the huddle. There have been many instances where he had a chance to win the game...the Colts game comes to mind, where he missed badly and just walked off the field, kinda like Sanchez does.

"oh well...better luck next time" kinda attitude.

....Then there was Andrew Luck who willed ever ball into his receivers hands, who made incredible catches because they felt the passion and leadership beaming out of their QB's eyes.

Saw it again yesterday..."Ho Hum" Tannehill walking off the field thinking: I'll get em' next time.

Russell Wilson too short? Fins need to get rid of stereotypes.

He lost to the Fins but has scored more passing TDs and has more come from behind wins than T-hill.

2watt, head-to-head matchup, Tannehill's team vs. Wilson's, Tannehill got it done. ALL said about RG3, Tannehill has 2 less wins. This is on a team NO ONE says is good. This is a kid EVERYONE said was a project.

I agree he's probably 4th on the rookie QB list right now. But it's not where you start, it's where you finish. Time will tell what we have with Tannehill. And as much as you or Shefter or ANYONE wants to speed up the day of reckoning, it AIN'T happenin' in 2012.

With that said, you don't have twist my arm to draft another QB. Hell, if a Luck is there, a RG3, TAKE HIM. If there's a 2nd/3rd rounder they think is talented like Wilson, let's bring him in to compete. I believe you can't have ENOUGH good QB talent on your team. But you won't find that in 2013, which looks to be an off year for QBs. So this year I'd work on other skill positions, give Tannehill 1 more year to prove his worth. If he slips up, then draft away in 2014, you won't hear a peep out of me.

PREDICTION:

WE'LL STINK AGAIN NEXT YEAR!!!!


‘I anticipate that we’ll be in a position to win the game in the fourth quarter.’ Philbin

We've been playing like this for years! Keep it close in the fourth quarter to have a chance---B.S. I guess that was the Giants and Seahawks philosophy yesterday. Hmmmm, must be the Patriots philosophy also. Keep it close to have a chance in the fourth quarter. Johnson said it, wanny said it , Sporano said it!!! Seems like that philosophy really works. Mando , why don't you interview Philbin and ask him about this great NFL philosophy? As for Tannehill, Philbin needs to have some respect for the fans and the franchise and bench this idiot. He reads the field just like Henne. Strong arm , but can't see open players.

DC, you dont use the 8th pick in the draft for PROJECTS!

We unfortunate fans will *never* see Miami win a super bowl or even be anything more than a one-and-out playoff team (after 9-7 record).

The team plays in sunny Miami in a crappy stadium. It's not a football environment. Can't be. Who wins super bowls? Think about it. Green Bay, New York, Boston (New England), Pittsburgh, Baltimore.

Cold. Super loud blue collar fan base.

We can't do it here.

Long time since having a franchise QB.

Long wrong player taken when franchise QB was available

Long time waiting and T-hill doesn't seem to be the answer

Ross didnt think Tnnehill was a "project". He said he wanted to retire Tannehill's #. Ross thought Tannehill was a HOFer NOT A PROJECT!

Address my points.

Duuuhhh--

Your right!! Except for the fact that the Dolphins do use their picks for projects.... and they don't pay off.. DC time doesn't have to tell. It's all about wins and losses. Other teams are winning with rookies. To compare Tannehill to R G III is wrong. R G III has heart and skills. Tanne-punk played 18 college games at Q.B. and is an obvious loser.

Ireland uses his picks for busts.

5-11 or 6-10

Would anyone get fired?

DC,

Doesn't that scare you in that Ireland will be at the helm of another draft. And a draft in which we need WR's, CB's and TE's. Other positions as well but to me these are top priority. And Ireland's history in those positions is not very good.

I like you feel he'll be there but on the other hand I am scared of going to a new GM so I am just hoping for the best.

Kris,

You were also the guy who had us at 11-5 this year. You don't do that with a lack of talent on your team. Yes I know you said a lot had to do with our schedule and the fact you saw this as being a possible 2008 all over again but still, you must have felt there was SOME talent on the team to see us go 11-5.

Worst thing that happened to this orgnanization was what came afterwards. Picks like Pat White, Patrick Turner and FA misses like Smiley and Groves. What could have been if this team had stayed the course and made solid picks, instead of reaching for guys who aren't hearing any more.

3 picks for D (1 yd) Thomas???

AS A REMINDER: Dolphins will be better next year, no doubt. Coaches will know players better and players will know coaches better. Players will know this year's new offensive and defensive systems better and play with more confidence.

OTAs and preseason will allow months of practice and reflection by players and coaches on each's individual failures during this season. Few will be LEARNING and most will be fine tuning their game. Resistance and challenges to the coaches' attempts to change culture will be deemed inappropriate by all players providing better harmony. Even Dansby -if still on the team -will conform to team rules.

(This assumes that most of this year's 1st teamers will be back and we don't get another hatchet job on better players.) Add some new blood through the draft and they will look and play like a different team.

Will their record reflect better play next year? Hard to say. Looks like a much tougher schedule. Tannehill must show big improvement. Secondary must be fixed. Lunkheads must be purged and everyone coached to be more aware (read s-m-a-r-t-e-r) during games. Strong leaders -the kind other players rally around during games -must emerge on offense and defense. Coaches must clear the cobwebs and search for more innovative offensive and defensive schemes.

Kris,

If AJ Smith comes available I will give it some thought. I'm not sure h's the answer but I'll be open to thinking about it. Understand with Smith will come change and that may or may not be good for this team. I happen to think that we're best to stay the course for the time being and that a lot can be achieved with Ireland, Philbin, Sherman and the scouts putting their heads together. I will however give it some thought.

The biggest offseason priority will remain getting an elite QB.

Problem with the Fins is that they don't have the talent to run west coast offense.

Tannehill cannot be fairly judged until he has at least a semblance of genuine downfield speed to work with. I've yet to hear single analyst (who all praise his upside) not mention this factor as a real impediment to both him and the overall offense.

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Getting that outside speed WILL be the biggest offseason priority for the Dolphins, of that I have no doubt.

Now that the Dolphins' chance of playoff is over, I have two suggestions for Philbin.

1. Let Egnew play. Let him learn from real experience. If he stinks, then it's another indictment on Ireland's evaluation skill. Along that same line, scheme for more play time for Javorskie Lane, Clay, Thigpen at WR, and Miller still. Give these guys more game time experience.

We don't have the roster talent to make up for mistakes. We all know that and we know that it's virtually impossible to have a perfect game with this roster. I would consider the rest of the season to be development/evaluation period. I'd rather we find out about Egnew when the season is over, than to find out he's a bust and hold a spot for him next season.

2. Allow Tannehill to be more daring. I don't care if we lose to the JAX or if Tannehill throws more INTs. It doesn't matter anymore. We can't make the same mistake with Henne by brainwashing the QB to be so safe that they turn into a checkdown robot. Manning had a gazillion INTs in his rookie season. I want Tannehill to get the experience of being daring and to rally from behind like Marino. This is his rookie season, so he has an excuse to make mistakes. He's proven to be a quick learner, so let him keep throwing those long bombs, those tight coverages, and run those 2 min. drills.

Of course, I'm just an idiot fan - but more importantly, no coach will disrespect the game by turning it into a preseason evaluation game.

Armando is right about Wake. It's so sad to see his talent go to waste.

We'll be WORSE next year. They'll get rid of Long and Bush and Moore and cheapo Ross will pocket the money rather then improve the team. Watch.

NHFINSFAN,

Are you trying to convince yourself or everyone else you actually have the slightest clue you know what you're talking about?

EVERYONE SITS HERE AND SAYS NEXT YEAR WILL BE BETTER. WE HAVE BEEN REBUILDING SINCE 1999!!! WHAT MAKES THE FINS DIFFERENT FROM tAMPA, ATLANTA, SEATTLE ETC. WHEN IT COMES TIME TO REBUILD?????

We drafted speedster Clyde Gates.

hARMEL--- YOU'RE RIGHT. ROSS IS A PIG!!!!!

Like I said before, you guys would LOVE me as GM. I'd get the offense purring like a lion. QB every year until I got the next Marino/Favre/Rodgers/Brady. WR, TE. I'd NEVER draft a lineman again. You'd LOVE ME!!!! LOL!

Thigpen and Miller at WR would add speed.

Can they catch?

I love the idiotic comments on Monday that are always sure to come from Mando and many of the fans on his board.

Example 1 (FANS Stating THILL Sucks):
The Dolphins are riding with a rookie QB. Not many teams in NFL history perform well during the first season of a rookie QB. Why? Because they make rookie mistakes. But look at how THILL has improved his INT's the past few weeks. Look at how many mental errors are made by his teammates that are ultimately very costly.

Example 2 (Armando's Comments Today):

Comments on Bush - "Maybe it's time we accept the idea he's not quite the mismatch out there as we hoped."
Maybe they are not running him out of the backfield enough. When they set him on the line it's easy for a CB to cover him.

Comments on Martin - "So far, he hasn't made anyone forget Long."
Was he perfect...No way. But Long would have given up at least one sack against that #2 ranked defense. At least one. I think Martin did fine and when you compare salary impact he should be Long's replacement if you only look at one game.


Thigpen and Miller at WR would add speed.

Can they catch?

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They would instantly be the slowest WR tandem in the league.

What ARE some of you people on, anyway??

Someone commented on the look in Tannehill's eyes. I've noticed it too. Anxiety is what it looks like to me. Anyone who's ever played the game knows that affects your performance. Hopefully, next season he'll be more relaxed.

Umm, when you line up any player wide, you're gonna get covered by a CB. Play action pass out of the backfield is the way to go.

That TD catch by Fasano was a thing of beauty.

Speaking of those who have "played the game," Dan Dierdorf not only praised Tannehill yesterday as a guy with a bright future but also stated near the end of the game there was "no question" in his mind Miami was a team on the upswing.

I realize some of you are totally hostile to anything that even remotely smacks of optimism, but quite frankly the opinion of someone like that with 40 years of direct pro football involvement carries a LOT more weight than anything you guys have to offer.

Anxiety is what it looks like to me. Anyone who's ever played the game knows that affects your performance.
Posted by: cocoajoe

I also believe he has a problem there, particularly during stress times. I think it's why he shows better in the 1st half and can look so bad in 4th period of tight games and critical 3rd downs. 2nd year could be better for him as he'll likely relax more around players, coaches and during games.

I've been drinking the koolaid for too long, and now I'm sobering up to the obvious. Here's a question I never got a clear answer: why did Sherman convert Tannehill into a WR back in college? The assumption was he wasn't good enough or ready to start at QB. So he's limited to just 19 college starts and then thrown into the NFL lion's den. Yeah, we got what we deserved.

Let's all hope so Bill. I...we all want the Dolphins to return to our former glory. Right now, it's a distant memory.

Playmakers are needed.

In fanstasy football when is the first dolphin player taken.

5-6 round. speaks volumes.

1st rd Bjoern Werner DE Florida State
2nd rd Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tenn
2nd rd Anthony Barr OLB UCLA
3rd rd Jonathon Franklin RB UCLA
3rd rd Zeke Motta S Notre Dame
4th rd Trey Millard FB Oklahoma
5th rd Joseph Fauria TE UCLA
6th rd Aaron Mellette WR Elon
7th rd Tanner Hawkinson OT Kansas

Craig....

Like I said to DC....It takes a loss to REALLY OPEN your eyes up....that loss for me was the one against the Titans....for DC...perhaps it is the 9ers....

I'll say it again....I thought we were the BEST of the WORST teams in this league.....I thought our talent level was equal to that......the Best of the Worst....

I was wrong.....

With the EMERGENCE of WIlson....with the continued sup par DB play....with the disappearance of the RUN game after week 3.....with our 6 loss inside of 11 games....

for those reason...and a few more....my eyes are open to the LACK of talent on the team....


and again....

I thought we our talent was TOP of the BOTTOM....and good enough to beat the bottom feeders of the league.....

Its NOT....

The team is poorly coached, they have too many mistakes and penalties. His low key modest personality is starting to rub off on the team. This team is as bland as Philbin's personality.

Love or hate Sparano, one thing is for sure he got his team fired up. The played much harder than this team. Sparano's downfall was he was attached at the hip to Henne. Put Matt Moore as the starter and the team last year looked a heck of a lot better than this team.

well yeah it would be nice to have luck or rg3 at qb and fisher as coach. but we dont and we will have to find a way with the guys we have. huge draft coming up and it pains me to know ireland will be ruing it

Tannehill has that "deer in headlights" look that we saw in Henne.

sparano was horrible, he will be fired soon just like cam cameron wAS TODAY

shula yes and henne wasnt a rookie

Kris,

It's a blessing in disguise. If we'd gone 11-5 this year management would make the same mistake they did in 2008 and start thinking we were only 1-2 pieces away. Time to start restocking the cupboard and see what we can do this offseason. If Tannehill is the guy and Philbin is the guy, then let's see it. Let's get Philbin involved with the guys he wants, so that he can't say at the end, 'well I never got the guys I wanted to do what I wanted to do'. Let's see it!

sorry,but it's true. Doerdorf is a drunk and your wife is not cheating on you!

Uncharacteristically, Thigpen mishandles a punt, Marlon Moore drops a bomb. Inconsistency. That's the hallmark of mediocre Teams and that's why they lose.

Dolphin fan for 40 yrs next yr living in upstate ny, Tannehill has no touch on the deep ball how many times is he gonna overthrow guys and then in a press conference say " I cant do that" and then go out and do it again and again the very next week?
1 warmack, improve the run the pass will open up
2 tavon austin
2 wrs patterson (tennesse) or Hopkins (clemson)
3 CB
3 ot

I think Tannehill has displayed pretty steady confidence despite not having great weapons at his disposal. He hasn't appeared 'insecure' in the least to me.

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AS A REMINDER: Dolphins will be better next year, no doubt. Coaches will know players better and players will know coaches better. Players will know this year's new offensive and defensive systems better and play with more confidence.

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LOL!!!! How many years do we have to hear this crap? We've said that ever since Jimmie Johnson was the coach.

Get real this one time! What we need to do is make a conscious decision to TANK a season and draft a QB #1 overall.

You realize AJ Smith is talked about in San Diego every bit as badly (and possibly worse) as Ireland is in Miami, right?

Gotta love fans.

Posted by: the ot | December 10, 2012 at 04:30 PM
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You realize Smith Smith has drafted PRO BOWL and FUTURE HOF players right.....

to name a few players he drafted,,,you MAY have heard of them....

2003
ANTIONIO GATES-UDA (PRO BOWL)

2004
Phillip Rivers (PRO BOWL)
Shaun Phillips (PRO BOWL)
Michael Turner (PRO BOWL)

2005
SHAWN MERRIMAN (PRO BOWL)
VINCENT JACKSON (PRO BOWL)
DARREN SPOLES

2006
ANTONIO CROMARTIE (PRO BOWL)

2007
ERIC WEDDLE (PRO BOWL)

Shall I stop....i'm getting writers cramp....

The DIFFERENCE between IRELAND and SMITH is EVIDENT....one drafts PRO BOWLERS....one OVER PAYS for them......

OUR FAN BASE IS VERY IGNORANT ,VERY UNEDUCATED AND VERY DUMB,,,,,,,,,,,


TAKE FOR EXAMPLE DASHI ,WHO SAID THAT (( TANNHILL WILL HAVE A COME BAKE LIKE MARINO ))............

DASHI ,SPEAKS MOSTLY CRAP AND MOST FANS WOULD LOVE TO BELIVE IT ,BUT THEN REALITY BRING FANS DOWN TO THE CELLAR ...

AND DASHI ,NO WHERE TO BE FOUND ,,,,,,,,,,,

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