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Failing on in-season extensions sometimes a win, sometimes a loss

The Dolphins are on the clock between now and mid March when free agency kicks off because they have between 15-17 players that are unrestricted free agents that they can sign before the free agency market opens.

And I'm told the club hopes to get some deals done before the deadline, which is wise.

Of course, the club tried to get some deals done during the season and didn't exactly succeed there. As you read here last week, the only in-season contract the Dolphins signed in 2012 was locking up special teams and backup Jason Trusnik to a two-year extension.

I was told by one club official that in-season extensions are overrated. I was told the club is convinced players do not become more expensive.

Well sometimes that is true. And sometimes that is false.

Before the 2010 season, Paul Soliai asked his agent if he (the agent) thought he could get Soliai a $2 million-a-year contract. The agent, David Canter, said he'd try. Canter and the Dolphins danced around all season on a contract extension even as Soliai worked himself into the starting unit and then started playing well.

Miami's contract offers were consistently behind the curve of how their player was performing. And that hurt the team in the wallet because after the season the Dolphins ended up putting the franchise tag on Soliai to keep him from going into free agency. That cost Miami a $12 million cap hit.

And before the 2011 season Soliai ended up signing a deal that pays him $6 million per season. So, yes, a $2 million-a-year deal would have saved the team a ton of money and cap space over a three-season span -- $6 million over which Soliai would have initially been happy to get, compared to the $24 million he's actually costing. 

This season the results of Miami doing only one extension are mixed.

The club offered in-season extensions to Matt Moore, to Jake Long and to Brian Hartline. All were what agents would consider "low-ball" offers.

On Matt Moore, the team tried to lock him into a backup quarterback deal. Although no numbers were exchanged because the Dolphins were coy about that, the Moore camp decided it would be better off waiting until after the season because Moore is hoping to compete for a starting job somewhere.

So no deal resulted in this: Moore will hit free agency with the hope someone gives him a chance to compete for a starting job. The Dolphins could not offer that.

But Moore might have been convinced to sign a Miami extension if he'd gotten assuranes (incentives) that if he somehow took over the starting job -- through injury or other circumstance -- he'd be paid like a starting QB.

Didn't happen. So no deal.

I call the failure to do an extension here a push. It neither helped nor hurt the team.

The team also offered Long an extension well before he broke down (again) and finished the season on injured reserve. The offer, I'm told, was a handsome deal for most left tackles but for Long, who has been used to being the highest-paid offensive lineman in the NFL, it looked like a step backward.

He didn't take it.

Well, Long didn't play all that well in 2012 when he was healthy. The guy is diminished, no doubt about it. He used to do conditioning drills to start the season with linebackers. He can't do that anymore. He doesn't move like that anymore.

And, of course, Long eventually ended up on injured reserve for the second consecutive year.

So now the Dolphins have a better body of evidence of what their player is, rather than what he was. Early in the year, the team could convince itself that Long was irreplaceable and valuable and that his recent injury history was happenstance.

But Long added another injury to that history, making it seem more like a trend, and when he went out, the Dolphins replaced him with relatively no problem. Rookie Jonathan Martin did not play at a Pro Bowl level taking over at left tackle. But neither did the offensive line fall apart without Long.

(By the way, Long wasn't playing at a Pro Bowl level before he got hurt).

And going forward, the club has a solid idea that Martin can get much better through offseason weight-training and conditioning, experience, and a full training camp at LT. So Long, who still wants to be paid like an elite left tackle is a luxury.

I call the failure to do an in-season extension with Long a blessing. He's not as good as he believes he is anymore. He's not worth the kind of contract he was holding out for, given that I don't see him getting better and more healthy as the injuries stack up. This one was a win that offers the team wiggle room to either retain Long at its price (unlikely) or let him walk to a team that needs a left tackle and is willing to pay handsomely for Long's reputation (more likely).

The team offered Hartline an extension early in the season. The receiver, through his agent Drew Rosenhaus, has been trying to get an extension since 2011. The Dolphins rebuffed those overtures and I understand why: Hartline was a complementary player and could seemingly be replaced cheaply in the draft.

But this year, given a greater opportunity, Hartline posted a breakout year. He was probably the most consistent and best weapon for the Miami offense. (Yes, Reggie Bush started well and finished strong but he was absent the middle part of the season).

Last year when Hartline wanted an extension, he could have cost the Dolphins between $2 million a year. Earlier this year, he could have been signed for $3 million a year.

The price is much higher than that now.

Hartline performed despite missing all of the offseason camps and training camp. He had a breakout year with a new offense and rookie quarterback. He's 26 years old and entering his prime. He's likely going to get better but certainly isn't going to decline.

The Dolphins cannot replace him easily in the draft anymore. Frankly, no rookie receiver is going to walk in and be able to play all three WR positions, show good hands, go for 1,000 yards and have a 14.6 yard per catch average. Just doesn't happen unless the rookie's a freak.

In this case, the failure to do an extension with Hartline will cost the team more money and cap space assuming Miami opts to re-sign him.

So three players. Three in-season contract extension offers. The Dolphins won big on not signing Long, lost big on not signing Hartline and pushed on Moore.

 

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Guy couldn't even SPELL 'BOO-HOO' properly.....WOW!

With all that cap room they better sign Long.

ARMANDO IS A PERSON WHO HAS NO STRONG BELIEVES ,HE WANTS HIS POSTERS TO FIGHT AMONG THEMSELVES .............

TWO Q FOR YOU ARMANDO;;;;;


WHO SIGNED WITH CRAIG M NAME AS HE CLAIMS ?

WHO SIGNS WITH WITH MY NAME DAILY ?


IF YOU DON'T ANSWER ,WILL ASSUME ,THAT WAS YOU .....

Dashi, let's hope Armando gets to the bottom of that answer (or else we'll find out in time). But, I agree, it's an important question. Dansby might be trade-bait. I'm not sure what we owe going forward, so not sure he would be cut outright. But that would TOTALLY change things in FA/Draft if Dansby were gone. So that's probably something we need to know sooner rather than later.

LOL, are you fukking dense??? Nowhere did i say we need to absolutely retain Long. I just we are better with him than without and if we let him go, we will need to invest a top 2 round pick or a significant free agent to man a tackle spot.

cocoajoe,

Very good points. We need both. I think the thing that better are forgetting is that our guards aren't great. By no means am I suggesting that we go out and spend high draft picks on these guys but I do believe we need to start upgrading the position in the next year or two. The guys we have aren't great for the type of offence Philbin wants to run. Problem is, if Ireland doesn't have a good offseason and a new GM is brough in and he doesn't like Philbin, are we off to a new system, under a new coach and with a set of different players. Vicious cycle!

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Mando,

Dashi is not saying You Ever said It was The Most Important. Trust Me, Dashi Knows You Have More Integrity Than Most Of The Posters Here!! And More Integrity Than The Other Sfla Sportswriters!!

just Wondering if You Agree With Some That Having No LT's! You Can Still Win! Like some people Here!

Completely agree with your post @1:38!!

Yes, The O-Line Is Important But It Shouldn't be The Highest Paid Position!!

Same Goes With The D-Line!!

And Again, Thanks For Clarifying The Matter. Some Here Not Just Me, Thought You Were Saying LT's aren't Important. On Both Sides Of The Argument! We would've had the Linemen don't matter Crew!! Use your Words as Gospel!!

See what you guys did, you're making Armando's blood boil. He had to come back for seconds. Too much Long talk. When we SHOULD be talking about a guy who can kick a 50+ yd FG consistently. If we had that, we'd be in the Playoffs and wouldn't be talking offseason plans.

Why dont you canadians go fight on a canadian blog and stop ruining the Miami blog?


But keep up the lies LOL....you're nothing if not entertaining!

Posted by: Craig M | January 04, 2013 at 01:42 PM

How is it a lie if Mark, your fellow country men, basically acknowledged that what I said was TRUE?

LMAO Gosh, YOU ARE DENSE!

You have said, ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, that Solder stinks.

Mark even verified it. Now, your attempting to back track & make excuses because your a hypocritical waste of blog space?

I don't lie bud. That's all you :) We all know what kind of "blogger" you are. Give the excuses & denials a rest. You just lookin plain silly!

ADVISE FOR CRAIG M;;;;;;;


CUT YOUR LOSSES AND LEAVE MONTREAL ALONE .......

HE'S TOO SMART OF A WRITER .....

Bou makes it more dramatic, since you're the Queen of drama...LOL!!!Craig M, go play with your Jake Long toys...Now we're even...LOL!!!

btw, Craig M, whatever happened to your promise that I'd be kicked off the blog?

Armando is here now, what's the status?

Yet another one of your idioctic & blatant lies.

I want to see your excuse as to why I'm still here.

maybe it's because your full of sh*t? Perhaps?

Montreal,

HOPEFULLY the last post to you....

You caught the 'Keller toys' comment AFTER you told me to fukk off and called me fukking idiot. If you want to talk to people that way, expect some push back. If you can be civil and play nice, like MOST people on here seem to be capable of then we're all good.

Translation: You want to add like as a88, you'll be treated like one.

I hope to God, we're done conversing for the day.

DC blames it on the kicker??? LMFAO!! WHAT A MORON!!

Keep going boys....you're nothing if not entertaining...

Kind of like wind-up dolls...

Booo hooo armando, this guys is picking apart my BS & I can't have other people see how dumb I am. Can you delete him?

BOOO HOOO!

Mando, Mankins isn't a LT or a T at all. he's a guard.

LOL,

Did you ever find out who works in the Steelers and Ravens FO? Remember the guy you wanted to be GM. Couldn't come up with any names but just knew you wanted somebody from there. Any luck?

Dashi....

I don't think anybody has ever said we don't need a LT....

That is a GROSS exaggeration and you shoudn't interpret the post in such a manner...it will cause you to argue against points that simply do NOT exist....

What the majority of posters do agree on is that you don't need the BEST LT in the game to be a playoff team year in and year out...

I think that is a more accurate representation of the sentiment of the blog....


DC blames it on the kicker??? LMFAO!! WHAT A MORON!!

Posted by: LOL | January 04, 2013 at 02:00 PM

DC, for the record, this is not the same LOL picking Craig M apart.

It's someone else who finds you as dumb as I find craig.

Not saying you're dumb, just making the comparison!

Hey guys I'm just checking in. Is Chronically Wrong Craig M here? Because if that tool is still here, I'm out.

Weird bunch of freaks here sometimes....wow!

cocoa, nice post @ 1:52. Just because you need playmakers doesn't mean you forget your lines. You must ensure they are adequately manned for sure ..

DC is dumb. Trust me!


My answer is the same as it was back then you incomptent ignorant baffoon!

I would take ANYONE in the Ravens or Steelers personnel dept to be the GM of this team. PERIOD!

Names are not necessary since I'd take ANY OF THEM. How does this not make sense to you? Are you really this dumb or do you not understand English?

I'd take ANYBODY with ANY credibility over the weasling Ball boy you covet so much.

Please, go away & let the big boys talk.

Whatever happened to you having me banned from the blog big mouth?

ALL SILENT ON THAT FRONT YOU ARE! How ironic! don't want the blog to know about another one of the whoppers you served up & couldn't back it up worth a lick!

Go ahead, excuse expected!


Weird bunch of freaks here sometimes....wow!

Posted by: Craig M | January 04, 2013 at 02:06 PM

Yourself heading the brigade!

LOL, I didn't veerify anything. I said he "MAY" think that but it wasn't the point of the post.

Wow, man, wow.

And what is this USA v Canada thing you have???

Armando, Craig M threatened to have me removed from the blog. Were you aware of this? Notice he hasn't denied it.

Knowing that, wouldn't that constitute a volation of blog rules? Wouldn't that mean he'd be banned for it? Threatening another blogger?

Boy, the blog would rejoice if you held him accountable! Sorry, figured I'd get down to his pathetic level & act like a weenie too!

PEOPLE FROM CANADA ARE MORE POLITE ,MOR EDUCATED ,,,,


BUT IN FOOTBALL,USA POSTERS ARE MORE EDUCATED ..


I don't know if any of you guys read this, but man, speaking of weird...Apparently Rex Ryan has a tattoo of his wife in a Mark Sanchez jersey on his right arm...Wow...I mean...That is WEIRD...

So VERY, VERY strange.....

Keep it up big boy!

First the foot fetish saga...And now the wife in a Mark Sanchez jersey tatooed on the arm...LOL!!!

Guys talking oline, you also need to remember, not matter the tv announcers for the dolphins games in 2012. The recurring theme amonsts all of them was:

"DOLPHINS RECIEVERS NOT GETTING SEPARATION".

One way to help your pass protection is having recievers who quickly separate and get open. No matter how good the oline pass protection, it seems in the nfl, you'll only get "near perfect" pass protection only upto 65%-70% of the time.

Ity was the 30-35% of the time the pass protection wasnt near perfect that hurt us most. It almost can not be avoided when you have recievers that can not quickly separate. That leaves your qb in huge quandry no matter how great he is.

See Next Post:


cocoajoe,

Very good points. We need both. I think the thing that better are forgetting is that our guards aren't great. By no means am I suggesting that we go out and spend high draft picks on these guys but I do believe we need to start upgrading the position in the next year or two. The guys we have aren't great for the type of offence Philbin wants to run. Problem is, if Ireland doesn't have a good offseason and a new GM is brough in and he doesn't like Philbin, are we off to a new system, under a new coach and with a set of different players. Vicious cycle!

Posted by: Craig M | January 04, 2013 at 01:57 PM
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Craig, I don't care what the stats are, my eyeballs see the O-line caving in and Tannehill hurrying passes. I don't see holes for RBs that you see on most teams.

Tannehill has to hurry almost ever pass and that concerns me. That will either warp his progression or make him better. I hope it makes him better.

BTW, I hope that Tannehill gets some training maybe from an X-pro this offseason

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HE MUST BE GOING TO SWINGER PARTYS AND MORE...........

LIVING LIKE A DOG ..

(( THE OPEN LIFE ))..........


Craig, doesn't like Nate Solder, that's fine. I think he's a good player.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | January 04, 2013 at 01:31 PM

Where did you say he "may" not like him?

You see Toronto, it's not a USA vs. Canada thing. It's a full of sh*t BS thing vs the truth thing.

Craig is F.O.S. You backed it up in your post & then backpedaled saying he may not like him when you said NO SUCK THING.

You're both hypocritical garbage with minority & idiotic view points! You both have also proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that youhave 0 credibility.

Job well done!

DC,

Agreed. Some Might Not See It That way! But The LB QUESTION NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED!! AND NOT JUST DANSBY!!!

If We Cut Dansby It Will Cost Us Something Like $3 Mil for His $10+ Million!!

Trading Dansby Will Be Extremely Difficult.

At First I Thought It was Just Strategy By Everybody Not to Point it out while we were still In The Te'o Sweepstakes!!

BUT DASHI JUST REALLY WANTS TO KNOW!!

Are These LB's What Coyle and Philbin Expect out of the LB's!! Or Do They Expect More!!

There was a Rumor Early in The Year! That When The Samoan LB from Cincy Became a FA!! That Ireland was Going To Go After him In FA!! But since Then The Player resigned!

We were discussing it with our Draft Talk!!

If You Have The Option Between Te'o, J.Jones, C.Womack, The Top TE, or Even 1 of Those Wr's!! Never Mind Picking The 4th or 5th Best DE!!

Who would You Take at #12?

Dashi Would Take a LB!!! The Best Value at The Current Draft Position!! Specially If That Guy Is Named Te'o!!

Te'o Had More Picks Than Anyone In Our Secondary!! And More Sacks Than any LB We Have!! And More Fumbles!!

IMPACT PLAYS!!!

Next Post:

Also, if you noticed, Brady has huge TE targets to quickly get his passes off(Gronk/Hernandez) and Wes Welker who quickly consistently separates. Even Woodhead can quickly do this when used in the passing game.

Plus using quick tempo, the Pats wear down your pass rushers, then take shots deep using Gronk and the wr's. By this time Brady begins to get more stand up time in the pocket.

Pretty obvious somebody has a reading comprehension. Not realy surprised. My guess is didn't finish hgih school.

If you're getting a confirmation out of Mark's comments, you're seeing somethig no one else is. Do we want to debate this point now? WOW!

Craig M,

Status report of my banishment from the blog please?

Or was that more BS you can't back up or are you denying it by staying silent?

It is hard to keep a big mouth like you quiet so I must have struck a nerve with yet another one of you hollow threats!

The US And Canada are Allies, Please redrain from argueing with our Northern Nighbors.

Mankins? I said Light.

Matt Light.

REALLY, REALLY strange dude. Anyone know if this guy is OK?

Armando, can you confirm for us that LOL has from day one only ever posted under one name? He's a really strange dude and the possibility of this, I would think, is GREAT!


Pretty obvious somebody has a reading comprehension. Not realy surprised. My guess is didn't finish hgih school.

If you're getting a confirmation out of Mark's comments, you're seeing somethig no one else is. Do we want to debate this point now? WOW!

Posted by: Craig M | January 04, 2013 at 02:23 PM

I am sying you are on record as stating Solder stinks.

here's what Toronto said:

Craig, doesn't like Nate Solder, that's fine. I think he's a good player.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | January 04, 2013 at 01:31 PM

Please Mr. Know it all, tell me how what I said differes 1 letter from what Mark said?

See moron, you can continue to try to make fun of me but, the only thing you are accomploshing is continuing to look like a jackwad!

Having recievers that can quickly separate and TE's that are huge physical pass catchers(out-physical lb's and safeties) for the ball. Goes a long ways in helping your oline's pass protection.

Still Garner proved he could be a huge issue if RT isnt addressed somehow in draft or fa. Against the Pats, Garner made getting to the qb look far to easy. Hence, Mark Columbo.


cocoa, nice post @ 1:52. Just because you need playmakers doesn't mean you forget your lines. You must ensure they are adequately manned for sure ..

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | January 04, 2013 at 02:06 PM
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Thank you Mark. I just hope Philbin is a little more level headed about how to go about getting our team back to it's rightful place. I choose to believe Philbin (eventho he's made his share of mistakes this year) will have some influence on personnel decisions.

Just kidding. I wrote Mankins, thinking Light. Haha. Corrected now.

The only bad part about being $46 million under the cap next year is that every Free Agent player (including our own), will want to jack up their prices to see how much of it they can get! So, we'll be lucky to get one or two playmakers added to the roster in FA. We'll try to re-sign as many of our own as we can. (the one you know over the one you don't). So, thinking we're getting Wallace, Jennings, & Bowe is unrealistic. We may get one, if we're lucky. And, may get none and spend the money elsewhere; CB, TE, DE, or O-line. Ireland had better get this year right...or look for another job!

I think what I said LOL, is I look forward to the day when you are in fact banned. You bring nothing to the blog other than this drivel you've been spouting for the last God knows how long.

It's obvious others feel the same way, as the flow of football talk has slowed to a snail. Goos job....mission accomplished!!

And yes you WILL hang yourself on here....I look forward to that day....

Real LOL, I know it's not you. It's my pet troll who I eviscerated at one time or another and now she has printouts of my posts up all over her room (like John Lithgow did of Denzel in Ricochet). All she can think about is getting back at me but she's so unconfident of her ability to debate that she dares not post under one name, preferring to be anonymous, which in turn makes her easy to disregard.

Armando, while you're at it, can you also confirm Craig M is a baby & threeatened to have me banned from theblog because he is incapable of someone challenging his ignoramous positions?

Also, what is the status of my banishment & wouldn't threatening another blogger constitute him being banned?

I don't want him banned though. if you took this blog away from him, his wife would have to spend more time with him & in my good consience, I can't do that to Jeff ireland!

ARMANDO,


IF SOME SIGN WITH YOUR NAME ,WHAT WOULD YOU DO ??????????

Yesterday, not only do they get separation (Gronk, Hernandez and Welker) but Brady can hit an open WR as well as anybody in the business...That's what great QBs do...The only way to eliminate that is to constantly put pressure on the QB...But like Mark pointed out earlier, they've invested a lot of high draft picks on o-linemen since they can afford it...So he's very well protected of top of everything else...That's one of the many reasons why the Patriots have a chance to win it all every freakin year...


Real LOL, I know it's not you. It's my pet troll who I eviscerated at one time or another and now she has printouts of my posts up all over her room (like John Lithgow did of Denzel in Ricochet). All she can think about is getting back at me but she's so unconfident of her ability to debate that she dares not post under one name, preferring to be anonymous, which in turn makes her easy to disregard.

Posted by: DC Dolfan | January 04, 2013 at 02:28 PM

As long as you can tell the difference!

Tracey474

I don't feel that way at all. Better to have money in your pocket than not.

I believe Ireland will stick to what he feels the price tag will be and if it gets too high he'll walk away, as he did with guys like Flynn and Orton. to me it's a good problem to have.

KRIS ASKED ARMANDO TO BAN ME THINKING ,I SIGN WITH OTHER NAMES ,ALSO GRAIG M ASKED ARMANDO TO BAN ME FOR THE SAME DUMB REASON ........

NE AWRE OF THE LOVE BOYS GANG...

BE AWARE

I think if the Dolphins didn't have such a depth problem team wide at multiple skill positions and we had the cap space all of us would keep Jake Long for at least another two years without question. I think everyone could agree with that.

Problem is there are way too many holes to fill. Can anyone justify 10 Million a year long term, because vets want security too, for Jake Long the way he's playing this season and last? Anyone? Because that's what his stature will probably warrant him to teams that can pay it and are contenders. In a different time and different circumstances I would keep him but not right now.

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