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Growing consensus: Egnew won't make it

I was a guest on the Joe Rose Show this morning on local radio station WQAM when the conversation turned to the tight end position. And Rose, a former Dolphins tight end, said the Dolphins need to sign or draft someone to play the position this offseason because in part ...

"I don't believe Michael Egnew is going to make it," Rose said.

And I wasn't surprised he said it because, I'm hearing that a lot from folks I'm talking to lately.

I've talked to two players the past three weeks that told me they don't see Egnew, a rookie last year, making it out of training camp next year.

"He should have been cut this year," one told me.

That doesn't account for Egnew learning to block and learning his assignments better and getting stronger and faster this offseason. But another player I spoke with said none of that will ultimately matter with the former third round draft pick.

"He's a p---y," the second player said. "He's not a football player."

It does not end there. I talked to Former Dolphins OLB/DE Kim Bokamper about Egnew the week before the season ended. He also said he does not believe the kid will ever be a factor. He's seen enough.

"You look at his body, look at his hips, he's built strange," Bokamper said. "He's not built like an NFL tight end. I had to cover tight ends and deal with tight ends my entire career and I never saw one built like that."

All of that sits atop the fact that Egnew made offensive coordinator Mike Sherman so disgusted in training camp that he told the kid during one offense meeting, "If I were the general manager, I'd cut you."

Egnew was inactive the entire season, except for the final two weeks when injuries (specifically to Charles Clay and Davone Bess) opened up enough open spots on the gameday roster to allow him to be active.

He played some early on in the final home game against Buffalo, but didn't catch a pass. He played less in the season-finale against New England the following week, getting mostly garbage-time snaps late in the fourth quarter.

Not exactly improvement.

Obviously, the Dolphins likely will allow Egnew to come to the offseason conditioning program, offseason camps and training camp to see if he shows anything.

But the growing consensus of him being on the team when the 2013 opens?

Not likely. 

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shanny has cousins.

A bit of positivity, even though Shanahan remains the Earth's Stupidest Mammal: this injury could actually prolong RGIII's career overall and could even "increase" his "legend" to those who understand. Here's why.

1. He *will* return to the NFL, but he'll be forced to be more of a pocket passer. Perhaps extremely show on the level of a typical white QB.

2. Yet he might prove (unknown) that he can be great as a thrower even without the run threat, just as Brady and Manning have been. That would be cool to see.

3. The reason I say it could give him a *longer* career is he will avoid numerous concussions and other head injuries by being the pocker passer described herein.

4. In any event, of course he can recover enough to play again, and we'll get to see how great a passer he can be when forced to be a Brady/Manning pocket guy.

5. Actually he'll still be way faster than them and can VERY CAREFULLY from time to time scramble, sort of like how our Tannehill does.

By the way, I'm not an RGIII or Redskins fan. My comments about RGIII are simply because I'm a fan of the NFL and I like watching great players play when they're not beating my Fins.

Tannehenne.No.-1 in 3 and outs.LMAO

DT....

I believe you are right....I stand corrected.....

Glad to read there are some reasonable people here. Sure the drafting overall can be better but it's not unusual for 3rd round picks to not make it. Historically only 10% of draft picks after the 2nd round ever become even 3 year starters. This is far from unusual as one blogger pointed out above. Disappointed the pick didn't turn out...yes. Is it gross negligence of Dolphin resources? Far from it ..

common sense, about 120 million American men disagree with you on the RGIII thing. That's all of the rest of the adult men in this country.

Kris--no problem!

It's just that I keep seeing people repeat this here and it's wrong.

VERNON was the player selected with the pick from Chicago. We'll see what happens with the other one in a few months.

I really liked Vernon's rookie year, btw. That kid has a motor that oesn't stop.

Seriously I remember seeing the replay of the RGIII injury IN THE BALTIMORE GAME and thinking it was on the level of a Joe Theisman horror show--such that I did not want to watch it a 2nd time--and concluding that RGIII was done for the year.

I didn't really focus on it--being a Fins fan and not a Washington fan--but I was sort of confused when I heard he was playing the very next week because it was supposedly just a minor sprain, and that he indeed played the final month and led his team to the division title.

Dude was obviously badly hurt IN THE BALTIMORE GAME. All one has to do to reach this conclusion is watch the play. His lower leg was bent completely the wrong way to the side in a gross fashion.

Again, we're talking historic top 10 disgusting NFL injuries behind only Theisman and that Pittsburgh O lineman disgusting foot-hanging-on-by-a-thread ankle thing from about 12 years ago.

And he's playing the NEXT WEEK wearing a Dan Marino knee brace?????????????????????!!???

That tight end the Colts drafted in the 3rd round looks really good.

This is why I don't get excited about the Dolphins have 5 picks in the top 100. Who are they going to draft? Another Pat White? Another Egnew? Ireland doesn't exactly have a good history in the 2nd and 3rd round of the draft.

"Instead...Shanny and his crack medical staff had him on te practice feild just 2 days later showing off for the press and playing MIND GAMES with the Cleveland Browns.....Shameful to say the least....

Kris,

His 'crack' medical staff included Dr. James Andrews. Are you REALLY questioning the opinion of one of the best surgeons in the world??? Shanahan HAD to have Dr. Andrews clear RG3 to play in that game so don't put this on the doctors. Playing in the NFL is not a recommended activity for any adult. It's a vicious blood sport where people risk their lives on every play. However it's a multi-billion dollar business so what is a doctor going to say??? It's too risky??? Duh...Don't you think these doctors know that???

The blame is SOLELY on Shanahan for running RG3 too much & exposing him to too many hits throughout the season.

We had a wide diverging spectrum with our 3rd round picks last year. One crapped out and the other looks like a maybe starter as soon as next year. That's the way it goes with 3rd rounders. But it's nice knowing that if we whiff out on the top rated pass rushers this April then Vernon is a nice contingency plan in case Odrick needs to move inside on running downs.

Its not even training Camp and We are Throwing Wood On This Fire!! Shameful!!

Craig, from The Last Blog. Not saying, but I'm Saying. You Sound Like an Undercover Bills Fan To Me. I Understand You Live Up North and That Might Sway Your Opinion A Little. But Most of Your Comments Sound Like You LOVE the Bills!!

Not Pulling Your Homer Card!! Just saying You Trying To Claim Dual Citizenship!!

I have No Problem With You Being A Fan Of Another Team. Just Admit it.

DT....

You're right...it has been repeated on here over and over again until it became a defacto fact....I was parroting what I have read on here a million times....

I have never believed I am above correction....and you're correcting will make me dig a bit deeper before I go repeating what I have heard/seen....

Thanks for getting me back on my toes....

WHDP, apparently Andrews didn't even get the chance to inspect RG3 let alone clear him.

"For two third round picks.

The first was used on Olivier Vernon, who had a solid rookie year and has much upside.

The second pick is in this year's draft.

The Egnew picks was NOT the selection acquired from Chicago. Not sure why people continue repeating this fallacy."

DT,

So the pick we got from Chicago was used for Vernon & not Egnew??? I don't understand...How did Chicago have a lower 3rd round pick then we did???? We had the 8th overall pick...

What's up guys?

The player who said he is a "P" is all I had to hear. It's just one persons thoughts but in my line of work if someone was to call you a "P" it would be a major problem imagine being in the NFL and called one. No one is on this kids side and neither am I anymore.

WHDPs...

The reports of DC are that RG3 refused to be examined by Dr. Andrews....

So YES....DT tripped me up....but in this case...I stand by my comments....

This is on the medical staff...and Shanny....

Would this be the 1st TIME a staff has let a playr back in a game after serious injury....

I don't think so....

Ofcourse the kid wanted to play....what 22 year old stud woudn't have wanted to go back in....

Kris from Yesterday,

That is What we are here for. I have No Problem With You Disagreeing With My Opinion. I was Just Trying To Show That The Fins Will Take a 3 Prong Approach This Offseason. Resign, FA's, and The Draft. 1 Won't take Priority Over The Other.

Agreed. Maybe Wallace and A 2nd RD Pick. Makes More Sense Than Keeping Hartline.

Just Don't expect Ireland To waste Multiple Picks Or FA Money!! On 1 Position!

And From What Barry has Reported. Smith, Doesn't seem Like A Priority!!

Dashi,

Weird comments bud....guess I shouldn't expect anything different coming from you. I'm 'a fan of another team'?????.....

Yeah OK. That's why I watch the Dolphins every day time they are on TV, but Dolphins gear, read everything I can about them, come to a Dolphins blog every day to comment on them and go to Buffalo when they come and cheer loudly for them, amongst the enemy.

And you accuse me of being a fan of another team. Do you have a drug problem or are you just an idiot or do you have a weird sense of humour? I'm not allowed to say I like the moves another team has made? Is there a rule against that?

WHDP, apparently Andrews didn't even get the chance to inspect RG3 let alone clear him.

Mark,

That's totally false. Dr. Andrews was at the game & examined RG3 when his knee buckled in the first half.

What you're talking about is when Shanhan put RG3 back (Dr. Andrews said he wasn't asked) in the game against Baltimore not the game against the Seahwaks.

Come on...You're better than this. LOL.

Irescum traded Marshall for Egnew! YIKES!

"Around 75% of third round picks are out of the NFL within two years."

I read this and figured since some of us berate Ireland for his picks we should at least be fair in our critique. Since I have been a little more critical I took it upon myself to put my money where my mouth is. I did a small experiment, granted I only used one years draft and as a sample size it's not very big. With that being said I can certainly go back and do it again using drafts from 2009 and back. But I will start with the 2008 draft in my next post and will go on from there if it generates any interest.

IRELAND CANT PICK HIS NOSE!!

First off No Player That Loves To Play!! Wants To Sit!!

Some of You!! Don't Understand How Important A Coach Is!!

To Break it Down In Layman's Term!!

Coaches are The Master!! Players are The Slave!!

A Coach Tells You Jump!! You Tell Him How High!!

Anybody that has Played a Sport Knows This!!

The Coach is The Boss!!

The General!!

The Leader of the Whole Team!!

In Any Sport!!

The Head Coach is King!!

You Have A Weak HC!! You Have A Weak Team!! Doesn't Matter How Much Talent You Have!!

The reports of DC are that RG3 refused to be examined by Dr. Andrews....

So YES....DT tripped me up....but in this case...I stand by my comments....

This is on the medical staff...and Shanny....

Would this be the 1st TIME a staff has let a playr back in a game after serious injury....

I don't think so....

Kris,

Dr. Andrews was walking with RG3 (he was the guy wearing that dumb looking hat) into the locker room in the first half after he FIRST tweaked than knee before he threw that 2nd TD.

So you're telling me that the LATEST report is now that RG3 walked off the filed with Dr. Andrews into the lockeroom (I saw it with my own eyes) & then RG3 refused to let Dr. Andrews look at him??? Then why did RG3 ever go to the locker room to begin with??? If he didn't want the doctor to take a look at the knee then why did RG3 leave the field??? That makes NO f#cking sense.

I think Hoodie wants Ireland to stay in Miami about as much as much as we wanted Sporano & Sanchez to stay in NY.

Hey there's lots of draft busts!

Dashi,

Since you've taken the time to address me, this might be a great time for you to tell us all how T'eo should 'absolutely' be the choice for the Dolphins are 12. How he's an 'impact' guy that will make this defence so mauch better. How he's 'going to improve the pass rush'. He looked great doing all of that against Alabama the other night.

The floor is yours....

WHDP, sense in a witch hunt?

Only a Jests fan would support Irescum!

WHDPs,

Are you saying that it's Dr. Andrews fault that RGIII just had a total construction of his knee? Who gives a f8ck what Dr. Andrews said, coach decides who plays and sits. I'm tired of guys like Shanahan always having crutches and excuses why it was somebody elses fault.

It's the same with Saban here in Miami. He made the final call on passing on Brees. If these don't want to be the ones who are responsible for this stuff then maybe they need to give back some of the multi-million dollars they make every year. Tired of these taking credit when things are good and pointing fingers when things go wrong.

I think Hoodie wants Ireland to stay in Miami about as much as much as we wanted Sporano & Sanchez to stay in NY.

Turd,

You think a HC that has been to five SB's in the last 10 years & is considered one of the best coaches of all-time could care less about what we do??? As long as Tom Brady is healthy & playing in NE we're not a threat to them.

Based on that comment your name is very appropriate.

Remember the statement was, "Around 75% of third round picks are out of the NFL within two years".

I went back 4 years to the 2008 draft. There were 36 players taken in that round (32 plus 4 compensatory picks) and here is what I found. 26 of the 36 players are still playing in the NFL.

Names that stand out are Andre Caldwell, Mario Manningham, Phillip Wheeler, Jermichael Finley, Early Doucet, Harry Douglas, Dan Connor, Jamaal Charles, Earl Bennett, Jeremy Zuttah, and Kevin Smith.

That means 81% of the players chosen in 2008 (4 years in) are still plying in the NFL. I could check other seasons but I guarantee you that number never dips below 50%.

Also Langford was our pick that year (in all fairness it was a solid pick but taken by Parcells) that we couldn't afford to keep with our deep d-line.

Are you saying that it's Dr. Andrews fault that RGIII just had a total construction of his knee? Who gives a f8ck what Dr. Andrews said, coach decides who plays and sits. I'm tired of guys like Shanahan always having crutches and excuses why it was somebody elses fault.

It's the same with Saban here in Miami. He made the final call on passing on Brees. If these don't want to be the ones who are responsible for this stuff then maybe they need to give back some of the multi-million dollars they make every year. Tired of these taking credit when things are good and pointing fingers when things go wrong.

Craig,

Uhhh...No. Never said that. Just the opposite actually.

I said he was of the most respected surgeons in the world so his judgement & medical opinion SHOULDN'T be questioned the way Kris did.

But, weren't you the one saying he should get more playing time? Why rock the boat so much without first talking with the players, coaches, former players, etc, like you just did? Not responsible.

WHDP, I said apparently .. I wasn't there and neither were you. Who teh fukk knows what happened in that circus but I have a hard time believing a world famous doctor who doesn't need the Redskin money would clear the guy. Regardless Shanahan should've made the choice. that's his job.... To make decisions when everyone around them are losing their heads.

WHDP No one can answer for why people do things except those people themselves. And the big thing to remember is that RG3 is not denying any of it. If the doctor said to the national media that he wanted to look at his knee but RG3 wouldn't let him,,,,,AND THAT WAS A LIE,,,,,,RG3 would have come out and said so, he's not there to protect a doctors job. The Doc would have lied, the team would know, and the doc would be fired.

homers are the ebola virus of any fan base.

WHDPs,

OK, got ya. Didn't mean to come across as attacking you. It's just I have no respect for Shanahan. He's pulled this kind of crap time after time. He's an arrogant prick and he points fingers everywhere except where it should be pointed....on him!

Looking back on it, Egnew had HUGE blocking issues in college. When Ive seen some of his college highlights, saying his blocking issues were huge, is really an understatement.

Therefore, based on that alone, Maybe his draft stock should have felled at least 6th rd.

However, from watching his highlights, I can understand how Ireland fell in love with Egnew "the pass catcher". He did look good as a pass catcher on tape. But Egnew "the blocker", well, was "pee-wee leaguish", and that's maybe being a little to nice. Or disrespectful towards pee-wee leaguers everywhere, even.

1. Cheifs - Geno Smith QB West Virginia. Andy Reid has reached famously for a QB before in Donovan McNabb.
2. Jaguars - DeMontrae Moore DE Texas A&M.
3. Raiders - Star Lotulei DT Utah
4. Eagles - Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M
5. Lions - Barkevious Mingo DE LSU
6. Browns - Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
7. Cardinals - Eric Fisher OT C. Michigan
8. Bills - Manti Teo LB Notre Dame
9. Jets - Dion Jordan DE/OLB Oregon
10. Titans - Bjoern Werner DE Florida State
11. Chargers - Taylor Lewan OT Michigan
12. Dolphins - Who would you take if it hypothetically played out like this?

Mark,

Big news in Toronto is Brian Burke just got fired. No idea what the basis is for it and why now but guess they just showed him the door. Wow!! This will give hope for the Ireland haters....

Gotta go boys.....have a good one!!

"But, weren't you the one saying he should get more playing time?"

I believe this post is true but can't say for sure. I do remember reading one of Armandos posts that was kind of coming down on the coaches for not playing Egnew. And some of us were saying,,,,AS WE ALWAYS BLEEPING DO,,,,that we should be trusting the coaches decisions because they are around these guys 24/7.

And that speaks to something I've noticed with Armando. Nothing wrong with it, whatever , but Armando seems to dislike anyone in the position of authority with the Dolphins. He seems to side with the players and this is a perfect example.

Instead of trusting the coaches intuition and expertise when not playing Egnew he questioned their judgement. But then a short month later when a player calls him a pu%^y and outsiders are saying he is no good, Armando then jumps on board.

Talk about being beat down by loser coaches, even the writers don't want to trust Philbin yet! Come on Armando, start trusting the coaches once and a while!!!!!!!!

Phins, don't make that guarantee because I wouldn't be too confident in your results. Not unusual to have recent 3rd round picks still in the NFL - heck Egnew is still getting paid. However, i read a study of 3rd round picks going back to the late 90s and they only have a 10% chance of becoming three year starters. So yes, 3rd round picks can stick in the league for their first few years, but the odds of them contributing significantly are lower - much lower.

Not to try to diminish the seemingly general consensus from multiple people/players about Egnew. But I think it is pretty weak to put a comment in from a former player about Egnews build and reference his comment about how he use to deal wth TEs all the time... uh yeah in the 70s and 80s. Don't you think the position has evolved since then??
Good article but leave Bokampers comment out of there since it is COMPLETELY irrelevant. Seriously.

Im not going to lay RG3's injury 100% at the feet of Mike Shanahan. Could he have made the decision to pull RG3, absolutely.

Look, we can coulda shoulda woulda all we want. We didnt have to make that heat of the moment decision. Its entirely diffrent making a decision in the small real time decision in heat of the moments.

The window's "razor thin". However, any fool and his brain crippled mother can made the right decision with a thousand miles of latitude "after the fact". Hell, that's like taking a multiple choice test and being given all of the answers aforehand.

That's why all of our socalled after the fact observations are moot and totally rick-shawish.

WHDP No one can answer for why people do things except those people themselves. And the big thing to remember is that RG3 is not denying any of it. If the doctor said to the national media that he wanted to look at his knee but RG3 wouldn't let him,,,,,AND THAT WAS A LIE,,,,,,RG3 would have come out and said so, he's not there to protect a doctors job. The Doc would have lied, the team would know, and the doc would be fired.

Phins78,

I didn't hear that new report. It just seems odd that Dr. Andrews walked into the locker room with RG3 (which I saw on televison) after the 2nd TD when RG3 was limping & then didn't even let Dr. Andrews examine it??? It doesn't make ANY sense. If you don't want a doctor to look at your knee then why do you walk off the field with him in the first place???

I'll say this--I have a TON of respect for RG3 as a player & a person. The kid has the heart of a chmpion BUT everyone could see him noticeably limping in the first half & I think that a HC has to protect your 22 year old franchise QB. You can't tell me that a HC should EVER risk a young man's entire career on one playoff game. If he was 37 & this was his last season then that's a different story.

I'm not surprised no one has commented on my post.

We all like to scream and yell our opinions to anyone that will listen. No matter how unrealistic they are someone will post it. Not even take the time to check the numbers before throwing some made up percentage out there. But I actually go and do the work, to back up our theory that maybe,,,,just MAYBE Ireland is behind the curve when it comes to being a GM. And the Ireland apologists are no where to be found.

I always say the negative people have no objectivity in here, I'm starting to see that some of the positive posters while being more objective at times, definitely ignore the trait when it doesn't suit their agenda.

I know, I know, it was the 2008 draft and Parcells was in charge. So I guess my experiment won't hold water because Ireland is being given a pass there (I agree).

So once again I guess we are only judging him from 2011 on? I think that is the consensus. I'll go look at the third round in the 2011 draft.

ANdy, since the top 4 pass rushers are gone (and the top two LTs) - I go Chance Warmack ... cue the BOOS!!!

Craig,

You have admitted You Don't watch Dolphin Games!! Except when it's against the Bills. You Watch Those Feverishly.

Hey, Dashi is Just Making A Observation. You Seem To Think a .500 College Coach from a Second rate Conference is A Good Pick Up!! And You Can't Wait till they Announce The Coordinators for The Bills!

And The Bills Don't Have Enough Fans To Have A Blog!! So That Point Was Nonsense!!

And You Always Resort to Someone has a Drug Problem or is an Alcoholic!! Maybe You Are The Drunk Junkie!! You Ignoramus!!

Dashi was Just Making A Observation.

Where on Earth did you guys ever get the idea that third round picks are something that teams hit on all the time??

Those other posters are right. The VAST majority never even make it to a second year in the NFL. Looks to me like Miami was 1 for 2 with their third rounders last year. 50% is better than average in that round by NFL standards.

Criticism is fine but fairness and facts should be part of the equation to if you want to be taken seriously.

is Jared Odrick playing like a first round pick? or should we add him to the list of first rounds duhh??!!ahhhwhats like Davis, Allen and Ginn. I hope not, and wish they already learn how to take advantage of so many pics and money... Go Dolphins!!

WILL WE ONE DAY SAY............
I WISH WE HAD SCOTT PIOLI TO HANDLE ALL THIS MONEY AND ALL THESE DRAFT PICKS!!!????!!!
I think so
You have to be ahead of the curve , do it know Ross !

Andy I go with Milliner. Corner can make a much bigger impact on the game than a guard. Theres a reason DeCastro slid to 24 last year.

Mark Toronto,

LMAO. If it were me I'd still go Kenny Vaccaro from Texas here or if Cordarelle Patterson runs a crazy sub 4.39 then I would consider.

NeMo,

Milliner would fill a huge need but hes not a man to man guy which Miami seems to prefer but I could be wrong.

Apparently everyone but Ireland knows that you NEVER draft Tight Ends from Missouri. They have ALL stunk in the NFL. Egnew is just the next stinking pile of manure we used an early pick on

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