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No. 1 Dolphins free agent must re-sign? Brian Hartline

The most important Dolphins free agent for the team this offseason? You could argue Randy Starks. Some believe it is Jake Long, although I totally disagree there. Other think Sean Smith, although I see him as very inconsistent and wonder how he'll react to getting paid.

Nope, I believe it's receiver Brian Hartline.

As I write in my column in Sunday's Miami Herald, the Dolphins cannot have a second consecutive season in which they lose wide receiver talent. They need to add at that position and, frankly, Hartline is a certainty while players such as Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings are not.

The fact is neither we nor the Dolphins know exactly what will become of Wallace and Jennings before free agency begins. Yes, they're slated to be UFAs. Yes, they would add talent to Miami's needy offense.

But we cannot be certain they'll be available because free agency doesn't begin until the middle of March. And teams have a window during which they can sign their own free agents. And most good teams don't lose their good players.

So no one knows if Wallace or Jennings will be availabe. The Dolphins do know Hartline is a good player and is available now. My column lets Hartline talk about his feelings on returning to Miami and how he'd feel if the Dolphins don't re-sign before the start of free agency.

Hartlne, by the way, agrees with me that Miami can't be losing WR talent and hoping to get better. 

“As a football guy, to get rid of your leading receiver in back-to-back years. I think that would be tough," he told me. "It’s tough to do. And I understand, they’re in a tough situation and I’m not in a position to say how to do it. I don’t do that. That’s not my job. But that’s hard to do as a franchise if you want to build something. If it costs a little more than you expected, well, that’s the nature of the NFL sometimes.”

A lot of fans often get caught up in the free agency trap of arguing about what a player is not. We all know Hartline is not a No. 1 receiver.

But good teams focus on what players are. Hartline is a good No. 2 wide receiver and if he's you're No. 3 you have a stellar WR corps.

What else is Hartline?

He can play any WR position because he knows them all. He's good in the locker room. He isn’t high-maintenance. Yes, he had one instance where he got frustrated with a coach who was asking him what he saw on the field and because he had already explained himself previously and still the ball wasn’t coming to him, Hartline shut down and simply didn’t talk.

But that was one passing moment this year. He doesn’t jack up the quarterback on the sideline. He doesn’t threaten to punch coaches if they don’t get him the ball, as one previous Dolphins receiver did in 2010.

“I was wrong but you have to let how to handle it,” Hartline said. “I understand now that  I was acting hard-headed because it was a game situation. I was frustrated. It happened once because it’s a passionate sport. But it won’t happen again. It was wrong because you need to learn how to handle it. I didn’t blow up on anybody but wasn’t helping anybody so I’ve learned from that.”

Hartline wants to be signed by the time free agency opens. The ball is in Miami's court. Once free agency begins the ball is in Hartline's court.

“You know, I tell you what, if I do go elsewhere, I’ll tell you what I told Jeff [Ireland]: If we get to free agency, as much as you guys interview me, I’m going to be interviewing you," Hartline said. "Like we’re 7-9. How do you see us getting better? I want to know, too. I want to win. I need to win. That’s what I’d do with other teams, too. I’m going to interview them as much as they want to interview me.

“I want to see myself buying into wherever I see myself at – here, there, wherever. Once I buy in, I’m all in. I want don’t want to be doubting people. I know there are trusts that build over time. But as much as they’re buying into me, I’m buying into you.”

Whatever happens -- whether Miami signs Hartline before free agency or not -- the receiver understands the next couple of months will be busy.

“It’s going to hectic," he said. 

 

 

 

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dashi,

Dont know where you are right now, but hope you get to read this.

TY Hilton is listed 2nd on the Colts depth chart as a "#1 WR" behind Reggie Wayne. Wayne's in his 13th season. There arent many 5'9 183lb #1 wr's in the nfl that hold up that long.

AGAIN DASHI, STEDMAN BAILEY IS PROJECTED TO BE A "SLOT" WR. DUDE DO YOU REALLY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE?

Can we stop talking about Jim Irsay? that puke's image makes my skin crawl ...

Has Shanahan been indicted yet? That slimy piece of faggarbage!

Hartline is a 3rd receiver at best in a good team! He's not reliable week in week out period. So stop acting like he was the best thing since the slice of bread. He is a complementary receiver at beast man. You got to throw to somebody in this game and he had his opportunity to get the numbers this year. How many games he has won for us that mattered this year? Any? And of story... He is no game changer. His best game was against the Arizona and once teams noticed him as RT's go to guy, he was lost most of the games after that. We need at least two good receivers and a good tight end, two if we are lucky. A lot of good work to be done as far as good talent being brought in but keeping Hartline as #1 or #2 receiver is not the beginning of this teams recovery process towards to promised land. A lot riding on Ireland's decision making skills working with his coaches... Hope that we got the right combo. I personally think Ireland is way over his head and the coach is ok cause it's too early to evaluate him. I like Hartline as a #3rd receiver or complimentary receiver in different formations. He's a decent receiver but far from a game changer period. I don't blame him trying to get the most money he can because it's his opportunity to cash in though. Hope everybody can see the light!

lol

Keep this in mind with Hartline. When Marshall was here, he was the #2. Marshall saw a lot of double coverage and Hartline still didn't really get seperation & numbers. Granted the guy seems to be improving and by all means I think they should pay to keep him, but breaking the bank would be dumb.

On another note, exteremly glad the fins didn't mortgage the future on RG3. Great guy/player, but seems fairly obvious at this point that he won't last.

Why's everyone so concerned about what Shanahan's doing? RG3 saod himself he wouldnt have come out of the game.

As for those runs when RG3 was apparently hurt. RG3 proved yesterday he was one tough son of a gun. You think he would have said no to the run play? Hell no.

Did you guys notice how pissed RG3 was at the press conference. Probably not, because he did agreat job using his intelligence to mask it.

But one thing for sure, and Im sure most of you missed it, his last comment was most important of all:

"This year we got to sit at the dinner table and the meal was good. Next year, we'll be back for desert, believe that".

It was the look on his face while making that last sentence and walking off. That has thoroughly convinced me, next year the nfl may have hell to pay. IMO, the vibes he gave off after making that statement was, well:

J--O--R--D--A--N--E--S--Q--U--E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Indict Shannahan? When RGIII wanted to play? Where medical staff cleared him to be on the field & didn't take him out?

It's not a question anymore. This blog has the absolute worst bloggers in cyberspace.

This is so dysfunctional. So the news is that when RGKnee (I coined the phrase, you may use it but always remember where it came from!;) first got hurt he went to the sideline, Andrews tried to check him, and the doctor was brushed off by the player. RGKnee wouldn't even let him look at the knee. Shannahan then lied and said that Andrews cleared him to go back in?! WTF? Holy crap who is running that team, who's in charge?


The real answer would have been,,,, the reason Irsay had said "I've never seen anything like this before" is because he was talking about personal experience. He had never been with a team who accomplished something like that.

So imo you're both wrong.

Posted by: Phins78 | January 07, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Phins78,

I do believe you got that right...

As to the "revisionist history" yesterday, fair is fair, and you are right...there are many other Dolphin blogs.


NtDolphins,

I've been yelling from the rooftops that Hartline is a slot wr. I would only resign him to replace Bess as a starter in the slot. Though not quite as quick as Bess, he's a lot faster.

Plus I love the matchup with Hartline consistently facing teams 3RD BEST CORNER.

ADVANTAGE: BRIAN HARTLINE

Mark,

Payton is also VERY good friends with Tony Sparano. Tells me Payton doesn't get it right all the time.

"RGIII couldn't do much of anything Sunday except lie, which is what he's been trained to do in situations like this.
Lie to himself that he can still deliver like no backup could. Lie to his coach that this was nothing big. Lie to the doctors who tried to assess him in the swirl of a playoff sideline.
Robert Griffin was a shell of himself in Sunday's loss to the Seahawks. (AP)
So Robert Griffin III lied, which is to be excused because this is a sport that rewards toughness in the face of common sense, a culture that celebrates the warrior who is willing to leave everything on the field, a business that believes such lies are part of the road to greatness.
[Related: Twitter reaction to decision on RG3]
"I'm the quarterback, it doesn't matter what percentage I am," Griffin reasoned later. "If you can play, you play."
First off, that's a cliché. Second, he couldn't play. Not well enough to win the game anyway.
And with each snap there was the risk of not just further injuring that valuable knee, but of being injured in a different way because he was no longer capable of defending himself by avoiding a hit in the pocket or scrambling away from a linebacker."

"But every time you step on the football field between those lines you're putting your life, your career [and] every single ligament in your body in jeopardy," RG3 said.

Of course you can be injured at any moment. You can really get injured at any moment though when you can no longer move around and avoid hits.
It was all a lie and that's why rookie quarterbacks aren't supposed to make the call. Coaches are.
Griffin didn't have a coach Sunday.

He had Mike Shanahan, who looked at this mess, looked at each hapless Redskins drive, looked at every painful RG3 step, looked at every awkward, overthrown pass, and instead bought Griffin's weak arguments and then closed his eyes and lied to himself that it would all turn out OK."

YG,

It's the HC's decision to decide who plays and who sits. That's one of the things that he gets paid for. So, admirable that RGIII wanted to gut it out....that's what a true leader does. However, it was clear to all who watched that RGIII wasn't the same guy yesterday and that the team was only doing damage to him and their chances of winning the game yesterday. From the point that the 'skins went up 14-0, I believe that with RGIII in there the team was only able to amass something like 41 yards. For that and tthe possible long term damage that they may have done to RGIII, Shanahan should be criticized.

t was the final proof that he never should've been out there. And finally, too late, his day was done.

"If you don't pull him out then, you should get fired," Shanahan said.

Washington was in desperate need of such common sense long before that. It was desperate for Shanahan to pat this eager-to-please wunderkind on the back, show him the bench and insert the very capable backup, Kirk Cousins.

Not just for the future of the franchise, although that would be enough. The Redskins needed it for the present opportunity to win Sunday's game.
Instead it got silly discussions.

"I talked to Robert and he said to me, 'Coach, there's a difference between being injured and being hurt,' " Shanahan relayed later. "He said, 'I can guarantee I'm hurt right now but give me the chance to win this football game because I guarantee I'm not injured.'

"That," Shanahan said, "was enough for me."
That, Shanahan should've realized, was just a young player repeating another baseless cliché he probably picked up from a grainy NFL Films voiceover set to soaring symphonic music."

Definitely agree. the objective between FA and the draft is to add 2 WR and a TE that can work the deep middle. Our offense had ZERO ability to work the deep middle of the field last year - NONE. There should be a lot of easy yards to make there in the NFL but we had no prescence there at all.

Mark,

Exactly. And to count on Matthews or Clay or Egnew at this point is ludicrous. There has to be AT LEAST three guys ahead of Matthews on the depth chart. If Matthews REALLY steps MAYBE he can be a solid 4. If you watch GB's offense they use four WR's--Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, & Jones.

Back to what some other poster said--in what way does Matthews remind you of Anquan Boldin??? Size wise??? Yes but then what???

Still, this wasn't some snap decision in the heat of the moment. This played out over hours, with a halftime even built in the middle. There were five consecutive series of futility for a 60-year-old coach to start trusting his own eyes rather buying the b.s. of a 22-year-old.

"He said to me, 'Trust me, I want to be in there and I deserve to be in there,'" Shanahan said. "And I couldn't disagree with him."

Shanahan is paid to disagree with him. That's his job.
At one point in the fourth quarter Shanahan decided he wanted to test if RG3 could still run, calling for a simple QB keeper. It was, on paper, effective, a 9-yard gain to the left. To see the play, however, was to see one of the greatest rushing machines in the league hobble to the outside, his knee practically wobbling on each step. It was strong blocking and the element of surprise that made it work.

"I asked him about it at that time," Shanahan said. "He said, 'Coach, I could've run faster. Nobody was there. I got [9] yards. That's not too bad. I promise if I have to do it again I could go faster.
"He gave me the right answer."

That's only because Shanahan was asking the wrong question. Which is to say he wasn't asking any questions at all.

On and on Shanahan's media conference went. The coach even unwittingly explained why he kept hearing the same answers from Griffin, when he took time to praise the very heart and fight of this prodigy and declared that a player who refuses to leave a game is "the type of player that you want." It's a circle of nonsense.

Shanahan was already hit with accusations Sunday from Dr. James Andrews, the famed sports surgeon, about Griffin's original injury against Baltimore on Dec. 9. Shanahan previously claimed that he put RG3 back in that game only because Andrews cleared the player. Andrews disputed that, saying the quarterback wouldn't even let the doctor examine him and he never blessed the return.

"It wasn't our opinion," Andrews told USA Today. "We didn't even get to touch him or talk to him. Scared the hell out of me."

Shanahan seemed to blame it all on mis-communication but it spoke to a sideline in disarray. The player is brushing off doctors? The coach is inventing conversations to the media? Who exactly is in charge around here?

As for the extent of Griffin's latest injury, who knows at this point? An MRI is scheduled Monday. At first Griffin said it didn't feel any worse than the December injury. Then after the game, as things stiffened, he admitted it might be worse.

"I don't know how bad it is," he said.
He didn't know after the game. He didn't know in the game. He isn't supposed to know. He is, as the football system taught him well, supposed to lie to his coach and prove to his teammates that he's indestructible and invincible.

So Robert Griffin III did his job Sunday, only to have Mike Shanahan not do his.
And now Washington can only hope a playoff loss was the worst thing that happened because of it."

Craig, I'd love for the Bills to continue to get it wrong. Opposed to many younger fans who can't remember the Bills being any good, i still see that Bills teams of the late 80s and early 90s that left me angry and sad in many January's and put the kaboom on many of dan marino's best years. I want to suck in perpetuity like you wouldn't beleive and I still hate them more than the jets and Patriots combined. After all, I started watching football before DirecTV and the Sunday Ticket and was exposed to much more Bills football than i care to remember by the fact that we both live in their region.

However, I think there's a good chance they got this one right.

Also, I cant for the life of me understand why would anyone make the statement they are not sold on Russell Wilson, even Tannehill, but are sold on Andrew Luck.

I guess you havent researched Luck's seasonal numbers. For all of the hype Luck recieved coming in, especially "best qb prospect ever". The only rookie qb stats he really leads everyone in is far more passing attempts, which "naturally" leads to more passing yardage.

But 54% completetion is far from being touted Best qb prospect ever".

Luck also had 18 picks, could easily be 20, just from playing against us alone.

Had 23tds, but the other guy you say youre not sold on had, Russell Wilson had 26 tds on FAR FEWER passing attempts.

I can go on and on about how "AT PRESENT" Luck looks more "glorified game manager" than "future hof'er".

It's the HC's decision to decide who plays and who sits. That's one of the things that he gets paid for. So, admirable that RGIII wanted to gut it out....that's what a true leader does. However, it was clear to all who watched that RGIII wasn't the same guy yesterday and that the team was only doing damage to him and their chances of winning the game yesterday. From the point that the 'skins went up 14-0, I believe that with RGIII in there the team was only able to amass something like 41 yards. For that and tthe possible long term damage that they may have done to RGIII, Shanahan should be criticized.

Craig,

Couldn't agree more. It actually reminded me of when Saban played Culpepper to start his 2nd season. Culpepper should NOT have been out there & was noticeably limping. I have no idea if Culpepper would have ever been a good QB in Miami but Saban made sure that he never got a chance after playing him before he was healthy.

Exactly Signal. And I wasn't trying to be snarky yesterday so I apologize if my post came off that way. I was just trying to explain my position.

Mark & Craig,

I think we can all agree that Saban will go down as a great college HC & recruiter BUT can either of you explain to me how he screwed up so badly in those two drafts???? I can't blame him for drafting Ronnie b/c the best prospects in that very weak draft were all RB's--Brown, Cadillac, & Benson but after that...Really???

I can go on and on about how "AT PRESENT" Luck looks more "glorified game manager" than "future hof'er".

YG,

Please don't...

"This year we got to sit at the dinner table and the meal was good. Next year, we'll be back for desert, believe that".

That will be true the moment he realizes this isn't college, he's not a running back, and the defenders are not only huge but they are trying to end his career.

If he keeps playing like a running back he's done. Every year will be the same thing. He will miss a few games, the team will have to rally to get in, and he will be too beat up to outperform the best qbs in the league.


This happened fopr the Dolphins before they turned around a 1-15 season too so not sure what your point is.

The real answer would have been,,,, the reason Irsay had said "I've never seen anything like this before" is because he was talking about personal experience. He had never been with a team who accomplished something like that.

So imo you're both wrong.

Posted by: Phins78 | January 07, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Not the shrpest knife in the drawer here!

Do you need a secret decoder ring too? What the heck do you think I was saying? I mentioned paganos illness. I mentioned the turnover. The drama revolving around the QB.

Personal experiences is why he made the statement he made. That's what I was getting at.

And regardless, personal experiences or not, the Colts turnaround, in my opinion, is far more significant than our turnaround.

Colts did it with young guys,a rookie qb, through major personal & coaching adversity, through change.

The Phins did it off a soft schedule, a vet qb miracuriously appering, an injured tom brady & a bunch of cast off cowboys.

To me, they aren't even in the same universe.

Perhaps you get the point now?

Phins78,

I read your comments yesterday about the fact you feel the Falcons are going to kill the Seahawks Sunday. I have to respectfully disagree. This is a very good Deattle team and a team that REALLY believes in their young QB. I wonder what guys on the sideline thought when they saw Wilson running downfield and throwing lead blocks? The guys is inspiring.

I get your hate for Pete Carroll but I think you're letting it cloud your judgement on this game. The Falcons have struggled to run the ball this year and I expect that to continue this wekend. So that puts the game on Ryan's shoulders and he's struggled to get it done when it counts. My guess is that this will be the same here. I know everyone is saying that the Falcons being at home and rested will help them but I believe the 'Hawks play with better emotion and that will show up on the weekend.

Now you can come back Monday and tell me how wrong I was. After all, I picked the Colts to beat the Ravens yesterday and the 'skins to beat the 'hawks.

CraigM,

It may be important to you guys. But I can really give a damn less what another hc does with his players. RG3 is alive, he "walked off of the field, and all of this is "getting blown way out of proportion".

Everybody's over Monday morning quarterbacking the whole deal, with espn leading the way.

When hasnt Espn not "OVERSOLD" any story? Tebow? Pagano?

I guess you havent researched Luck's seasonal numbers. For all of the hype Luck recieved coming in, especially "best qb prospect ever". The only rookie qb stats he really leads everyone in is far more passing attempts, which "naturally" leads to more passing yardage.

But 54% completetion is far from being touted Best qb prospect ever".

YG you are contradicting yourself a bit. And more attempts also lead to a lower completion percentage. Do you honestly think if RG3 or Wilson threw 300 more times last year that their completion percentage would be the same as they ended with? No way, and their ints would have gone up as well.

I don't think (in making this argument that you have been over the past couple of days) that you're looking at the big picture. And the fact that everyone already has these kids in the HOF after one season is crazy. Can we at least wait until a few years in to see where they are at?

YG,

So if I'm reading your comments correctly, it's only a story if YOU deem it to be worthy? HUH?

If you don't care about the story maybe better to skip over it and let some of us who want to talk about it talk about it. Does that seem fair?

"Now you can come back Monday and tell me how wrong I was. After all, I picked the Colts to beat the Ravens yesterday and the 'skins to beat the 'hawks."

Craig,

I thought the Colts were going to win as well. IMO--Ravens are just not that good & I'd be shocked if Manning doesn't pick them apart.

Mark,

I believe there's a chance the Bills got this one right too. I actually think if they'd have hired Whisenhunt or Smith they would have been upgrades over what they've had the last few years. But none of it is going to matter if they don't add a QB, improve the OL, get another weapon to play opposite Stevie Johnson and get some coaches in there that know how to use the defensive personnel they have there.

Beside putting RGIII's health at risk, Shanahan should be fired simply for the worst coaching performance ever put forth on an NFL field. Neither Dave Wannstache nor Tony Sparano ever coached a game so poorly. Seriously. Read this very carefully if you don't get it.

RGIII was clearly BADLY injured. Not only could he not run, he could not throw because it was his back leg that was hurt.

Read what the Seattle coaches are saying today. They could see that RgIII was not right, could not run, so they were able to just sit back.

Hence RGIII had no chance of being effective. Shanahan's coaching was simply awful simply for leaving him in their for the selfish goal of winning, nevermind that he was putting his future at risk.

Really unbelievable.

WHDP, I thought Saban's first draft was actually pretty good. Brown, Roth, Crowder, Daniels ... not bad. Although he should've drafted Rodgers - it seems like the whole league grew disenfranchised with Aaron so I can't be overly critical of that one.

However, his 2nd draft was one of the worst in Dolphins history. It's not bad enough that Allen was a miss but later Saban said he would've loved to have drafted Joseph Addai or Laurence Maroney who both also stun. So given three chances, he would've struck out three times ...

That draft and Ireland's 2010 draft still leave me shaking my head. How a professional could be so clueless on the biggest day of a franchise's year??

And the fact that everyone already has these kids in the HOF after one season is crazy. Can we at least wait until a few years in to see where they are at?

Exactly. It's one f#cking season. I remember when Josh Freeman had a great rookie season & today I just read a report that TB isn't sold on him.

No one has any idea how these QB's will develop, if the opposing defenses can adjust to them, or if they can stay healthy.

For all of the hype Luck recieved coming in, especially "best qb prospect ever".

Guy, lol, your irrational hate of Andrew Luck knows no limits!

Hype? You act as if he never accomplished anything at Stanford. He was the consensus #1 BECAUSE it was agreed by everyone in the country that not only was he the best college player coming out of the draft but he was also the most NFL ready.

Lets put it this way. Had Washington, Seattle, OR Miami had the first pick in the draft they would have taken Luck.

You don't take into account that he is a pocket passer and Wilson and RG3 are running qbs. That makes it a lot easier on the other two because guys are constantly open due to a linebacker or db shadowing the QB. There are so many mitigating circumstances in this debate and you seem to be ignoring most of them. Not to mention the fact that the Hawks and Skins were all ready to take the next step with very solid rosters while Indi had 11 rookies, most of whom played major minutes and plenty of new faces as well. There is a bigger picture here.

WHDPs,

I was SHOCKED how well the Ravens played as a TEAM yesterday. That's the team I expected to see most of the year and didn't. However, I fully expect the Broncos and Manning will be too much for them on the weekend.

I'm leaning GB this weekend and Seattle too....but again, I've had a very cold streak lately.

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Posted by: Craig M | January 07, 2013 at 12:13 PM

I was thinking the same exact thing until I heard a statement by7 Dilfer on espn. He was talking about the logged playoff travel time for Seattle. 3,000 moles to DC. 3,000 miles back to Seattle. Then 3,000 miles to ATL.

He spoke of the effect of that on players legs and thier mind. He spoke out of "experience as a player". So, it makes sense to me. He said that could be a great factor when the 'travel fatigued" Seahawks go up again a "fresh and rested" Falcons team.

The Seahawks will be up against physical and mental travel fatgue and a well rested Falcons team this weekend. Not saying they "automatically lose" but it is another barrier they must overcome.

Who in the world thought the Colts would win? They had a rookie QB, playing away from home, coming off a 1 and 15 season last year. The Ravens were coming off 4 consecutive playoffs win on top of this is ray Lewis last run. For anyone to pick the Colts to win that game is nutz.

WHDP, I thought Saban's first draft was actually pretty good. Brown, Roth, Crowder, Daniels ... not bad. Although he should've drafted Rodgers - it seems like the whole league grew disenfranchised with Aaron so I can't be overly critical of that one.

However, his 2nd draft was one of the worst in Dolphins history. It's not bad enough that Allen was a miss but later Saban said he would've loved to have drafted Joseph Addai or Laurence Maroney who both also stun. So given three chances, he would've struck out three times ...

That draft and Ireland's 2010 draft still leave me shaking my head. How a professional could be so clueless on the biggest day of a franchise's year??

Mark,

Hard to fault Saban for not taking Rodgers over Ronnie Brown. Hindsight is an exact science. Frank Gore was a much better pick than Brown too but Gore had MAJOR injuries in college.

I don't agree about Saban's first draft. I was never a fan of Travis Daniels plus Crowder & Roth are already out of the league??? How is that pretty good???

YG, I told you yesterday, you and I debated whether or not Shanny should be taking him out. The entire world saw it, he could not throw the ball. He should have been pulled for his own safety. Now his knee may be irreparably damaged and it could effect the rest of his career. And you are still defiant over this, it seems you're the only one.

Youy can't admit Shanny made a mistake? What gives, you a Skins fan too?! Come on bud! All people do is rip apart every decision our team makes in here but when it comes to another team how dare we? Just be objective and call it a day. It was a bad decision, especially after seeing what Cousins did earlier in the season with limited reps. He very well could have held a 14 point lead, Shanny blew it .

YG,

I read this morning that Carroll won't let travel and fatigue be an excuse for this team. I believe this team is running on adrenaline right now (although they are a good team). Will it all run out at some point? Probably. But unless I'm reading the situation wrong, I think they'll be good for this week.

Clue @ 2:26...I agree....

I don't see how any football fan could really see a different result.....

Established Baltimore team with LOTS of playoff seasoning and success...VS...a a young upstart team like the Colts...

ADVANTAGE: Seasoned play-off team...

anything else would have been a huge upset...and the Luck legend would have grown by leaps and bounds....

Seattle will lose, that's been my bet since they won yesterday. Nolan will have the stupid college option run all taken care of and the blueprint will be written on how to slow Wilson down next season.

I was SHOCKED how well the Ravens played as a TEAM yesterday. That's the team I expected to see most of the year and didn't. However, I fully expect the Broncos and Manning will be too much for them on the weekend.

I'm leaning GB this weekend and Seattle too....but again, I've had a very cold streak lately.

Craig,

Fortunately I don't gamble on pro football b/c if I did I'd get crushed. The NFL has become so unpredictable from week to week. Every team left in the playoffs has been inconsistent except the Broncos & it seems like they play bad teams every week.

I think Seattle will not only beat Atlanta ... they will rip them ....

But what do I know???

Also, indulging my inner child, I hope Carroll takes a trip to an aquarium after he loses and gets molested in the petting tank by a Dolphin. Karma for acting like a boob while with the Jets, running away from USC and leaving everyone else to get in trouble for their cheating, and running scores up on teams because he's a f^%&ing classless dou&hebag.

Kris,

I was counting on Andrew Luck and the nagic that he has to win the game yesterday. I'm not that high on Flacco and I don't believe he can carry that team. The defence is starting to get old and they are missing a few pieces.

Agreed it would be an upset but I just believe Andrew Luck has 'IT'. Seems to me that the Ravens did a GREAT job when the Colts got in the red zone. The magic wasn't there yesterday.

But I'm with WHDPs on the Ravens....I just don't think they are that good. I expect the Broncos will whack 'em on the weekend.

WHDPs,

I'm getting 'crushed' lately on my picks too. I have the 'skins +9 yesterday and when they were up 14-0 I thought it was going to be sweet coasting the rest of the way. I should have as much hate for Shanahan this morning as anyone.

Phin78,

Accomplished at Stanford, Luck? How many National titles did he win? Stanford's proven they were more than Andrew Luck by thier performance this year. Luck was even beaten out for a heisman by RG3.

What did Luck really accomplish? He showed he could be a very accomplished "glorified game manager in an nfl styled offense, thx to Jim Harbaugh.

Even in college the concerns were when turning pro can he operate a high flying aerial attack. He had far more pass attempts than any rookie qb this year, yet completed only 54%. All of that throwing the ball he had 23 tds. Russell had 26 tds in "far less" attenpts. So guess who proved "far more efficient" per pass attempt?

Dude, there are so many "unanswered questions" surrounding Luck its pitiful imo. Only thing he did prove is iof the game is 7pts or under at the end, he can make a 4rh qtr comeback.

However, the real deal is, outside of 7pts or more when trailing 4th qtr, the high flying arial qb question still has not been. So those 4th qtr comebacks are more "glorified game manager" than indication he'll be the "best or even close to best ever".

Seems you guys want to give him a free pass on greatness. I want to see him earn it. So far he's been good,but far from great. So have most of the other rookie qb's, including Tannehill.

Posted by: Mustache Man | January 07, 2013 at 12:22 PM

100% AGREED. It is shameful

Mustache Man. Are you a fan of the band Cake? Was wondering if that's where you got the moniker. Maybe you just have a mustache. lol

Phins 78....

you're betting with Nolan...lol....

I think when you try to place a number on Hartline, whether he's a 1,2 or receiver, clouds the real issue. Production! We have seen similar receivers to Hartline that are major pieces to their teams. For example, Welker with the Patriots and Amendola with the Rams. These players are major contributors to their teams and to imply that, if the Dolphins find a true #1 receiver, that Hartline can't be as productive. It is my opinion that he would be an excellent slot receiver and be extremely productive. If Philbin sticks with the Green Bay mold and it is my understanding that he does have input on the players on the team, that he will resign him. Go Dolphins.

Phins78. It is all hindsight. If Cousin came in and threw 2 picks. Everyone would be calling for his head saying "how do you take out the starting QB?"

Obviously RG3 wasn't 100%, but until his leg gave out it was a 7 point game. You can fault Shananigans for play calling the option with a busted up QB, but thats what they do. Thats the #1 problem with a running QB.

YG love the post at 12:38.

Not that I agree but that's what this is all about.

What I love is that you came back, after more than a few have been disagreeing with you, and stuck by your guns. You give examples, stats, and wrap them up in your opinion very nicely. No name calling, no attacking.

Awesome. That's what debate is all about and I wish a few others in here could learn from it. You have to respect a guys opinions especially when he backs them up like an adult. Kudos sir!

Hartline's a sound #2 and should be paid in the 3.5-4 mil/yr. range. 5 mil/yr is too much.
Jake Long should not be re-signed unless its at 5mil/yr. or LESS to play RT. Bush should get what he's been getting = 5mil/yr.
WR draft stinks this year....just our luck.
Tannehill IS NOT the answer but thats another ongoing 3 yr. debate. Clue? Ya don't fix accuracy! He IS David Woodley all over again.
This team's STILL in trouble & don't look to have many answers or the folks to find them.

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