« What I want to hear from Stephen Ross | Main | Stephen Ross gives his state of the Dolphins »

No. 1 Dolphins free agent must re-sign? Brian Hartline

The most important Dolphins free agent for the team this offseason? You could argue Randy Starks. Some believe it is Jake Long, although I totally disagree there. Other think Sean Smith, although I see him as very inconsistent and wonder how he'll react to getting paid.

Nope, I believe it's receiver Brian Hartline.

As I write in my column in Sunday's Miami Herald, the Dolphins cannot have a second consecutive season in which they lose wide receiver talent. They need to add at that position and, frankly, Hartline is a certainty while players such as Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings are not.

The fact is neither we nor the Dolphins know exactly what will become of Wallace and Jennings before free agency begins. Yes, they're slated to be UFAs. Yes, they would add talent to Miami's needy offense.

But we cannot be certain they'll be available because free agency doesn't begin until the middle of March. And teams have a window during which they can sign their own free agents. And most good teams don't lose their good players.

So no one knows if Wallace or Jennings will be availabe. The Dolphins do know Hartline is a good player and is available now. My column lets Hartline talk about his feelings on returning to Miami and how he'd feel if the Dolphins don't re-sign before the start of free agency.

Hartlne, by the way, agrees with me that Miami can't be losing WR talent and hoping to get better. 

“As a football guy, to get rid of your leading receiver in back-to-back years. I think that would be tough," he told me. "It’s tough to do. And I understand, they’re in a tough situation and I’m not in a position to say how to do it. I don’t do that. That’s not my job. But that’s hard to do as a franchise if you want to build something. If it costs a little more than you expected, well, that’s the nature of the NFL sometimes.”

A lot of fans often get caught up in the free agency trap of arguing about what a player is not. We all know Hartline is not a No. 1 receiver.

But good teams focus on what players are. Hartline is a good No. 2 wide receiver and if he's you're No. 3 you have a stellar WR corps.

What else is Hartline?

He can play any WR position because he knows them all. He's good in the locker room. He isn’t high-maintenance. Yes, he had one instance where he got frustrated with a coach who was asking him what he saw on the field and because he had already explained himself previously and still the ball wasn’t coming to him, Hartline shut down and simply didn’t talk.

But that was one passing moment this year. He doesn’t jack up the quarterback on the sideline. He doesn’t threaten to punch coaches if they don’t get him the ball, as one previous Dolphins receiver did in 2010.

“I was wrong but you have to let how to handle it,” Hartline said. “I understand now that  I was acting hard-headed because it was a game situation. I was frustrated. It happened once because it’s a passionate sport. But it won’t happen again. It was wrong because you need to learn how to handle it. I didn’t blow up on anybody but wasn’t helping anybody so I’ve learned from that.”

Hartline wants to be signed by the time free agency opens. The ball is in Miami's court. Once free agency begins the ball is in Hartline's court.

“You know, I tell you what, if I do go elsewhere, I’ll tell you what I told Jeff [Ireland]: If we get to free agency, as much as you guys interview me, I’m going to be interviewing you," Hartline said. "Like we’re 7-9. How do you see us getting better? I want to know, too. I want to win. I need to win. That’s what I’d do with other teams, too. I’m going to interview them as much as they want to interview me.

“I want to see myself buying into wherever I see myself at – here, there, wherever. Once I buy in, I’m all in. I want don’t want to be doubting people. I know there are trusts that build over time. But as much as they’re buying into me, I’m buying into you.”

Whatever happens -- whether Miami signs Hartline before free agency or not -- the receiver understands the next couple of months will be busy.

“It’s going to hectic," he said. 

 

 

 

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Craig M....and Billcale.....

Good Morning fellas.....

I know it's crazy.....I am the #1 Ireland critic on this blog.....and here I am standing up for the man.....

Craig M can tell you I am not necessarily a Hartline fan either...so it is possible I am picking what I believe to be the lesser of two evils.....

I have seen DIVA like tendencies in Hartline....and while I am not against that type of behavior....you have to have a SPECIAL skill set to be able to pull it off....I don't believe Hartline has that skill set......and THUS his sideline and ON FEILD antics (with Henne) turned me off.....

I know it was Henne.....but then again...it was also Hartline.....so they kinda cancel each other out imo......

I like Hartline....but I think he "out performed" the market for the role the FINS may envision him playing.....

Good for him....he will most likely get over-paid by another team......but if were gonna over pay a WR...i prefer its a Wallace....Jennings...or BOWE.....

BoulderPhinfan, Hartline 6'2" 200, Matthews 6' 210, really bigger too????????????

they need a pass rusher or CB in Rd 1, thats where the talent is at that spot......UNLESS they disagree with everybody and see alot of potential in one of these TEs or WRs--go for it if so, but thats a huge risk (although they need to take risks, no doubt.....unfortunately)--but also seems that some of these solid WR/TE prospects will be there in Rd 2 or 3

Is there ANY doubt that we draft a WR in the first or second round? Anybody want to debate that point? Pretty obvious, no? So I expect a guy who may not contribute right away but long term should be better than Hartline. Hunter may be a guy to keep an eye on. Hearing lots of good things about this kid.

Kris.....unfortunately they've put themselves in a position where they have to take higher risk, bottom line--which means likely overpaying for a couple of players, at least--thats the downside but also the reality of where they are......so they probably have to overpay (a little......I doubt much) for Hartline and a FA WR--again, hopefully not by much, but its sort of a given.....expect it.....dont scream too much about it when it happens.

Sure, Armando. A case could be made for Bush also, but due to many reasons, I agree on Hartline.

Craig,

I'm glad you mentioned Hunter. I've been going on about this guy for afew days now. I think he could be special and he's already being compared to Randy Moss.

My ideal plan is to resign Hartline for $6-7 mill,sign Wallace and then draft Hunter in the 1st.

Imagine having Wallace,Hartline,Bess and Hunter as our main receivers. I'd certainly be happy with that :)

Craig, I know you like Hartline better in NE and I know Belichick talks about him like he did Welker, when Welker played in Miami. But to me, he's a better fit in Miami. I have a hard time seeing him as a viable threat in NE, therefore small return.

Of course, it's all a matter of how much the Dolphins have to shell out for Hartline that's got everybody twitching. I know he's said some things recently that make him sound like he wants THE MONEY. But he's a reasonable fellow and just needs to feel needed, I hope.

Cey.....

I probably shouldn't....but i'm gonna start over with you.....

You're initial post to me was an insult....and thus i reacted in the same manner....I was wrong for that.....as wrong as you were with you're insult to me.....however.....you have a right to think of me as you wish....and I have no desire to change you're opinion of me....I am only here to talk football......

Having said that.....I will give you and the blog a bit of background on why I feel the way I do about Hartline....as well as most of the FA on this team.....

Lat 4 years.....

7-9
7-9
6-10
7-9

My opinion of most of our players is not that high.....and certainly there are VERY FEW MUST KEEPS on a team that for 4 YEARS in a row has turned in a LOSING RECORD......can you agree on that?

I like Philbin....and you do have points about Sporano's ineptitude....I won't EVER argue against that...so I will agree and concede any points you make regarding Sporano's legendary incompetence.....

I believe we are in a REBUILD....one in which Philbin should get 5 years in which to turn us in to a completive team year in...and year out.....we are about to enter year 2....so he has 4 years left IMO.....

So having said that.....you can see I am looking to the FUTURE (long-term)...and not just next year or the year after that.....

I think that in the LONG-TERM...we can find BETTER than Hartline (for the price)....and that (to me)....is why he is expendable.....

I hope that gives you a better picture as to why I feel Hartline can go....if he chooses.....

Its not that I hate Hartline....its that I want a better player @ the position for the right price....and right production.....

Kris, couple things. First, I absolutely agree that I have full faith in Jeff Ireland when it comes to signing a player to the right price (who's not a "star"). I think that's been Ireland's best skill as a GM on this team.

2, that post to Cey was hilarious (and Cey, you're actually the idiot for not getting his play on words. Your University of Phoenix degree isn't worth the paper it's printed on).

Now to where we disagree. You've said a few times Hartline didn't show he could take advantage of a #1 WR taking most of the double-teams, etc. Bro, and I know you know this, think of the context. This was a Tony Sparano/Brian Daboll offense. The same Sparano that made the Jets the worst offense in the league. The same Daboll that just got fired with his HC for only winning 2 games. The same pathetic, calcified, outdated offense we moved on from. On top of that, his QB was Checkdown Chad. Who got crucified if he threw 1 INT because Sparano doesn't understand to make an omelette you need to break some eggs.

So let's not tarnish Hartline for being the #2 WR in an extinct offense. I'm not trying to say he's Julio Jones or anything, but his career here has proved his sure-handed, runs some of the best routes of WRs we've had recently AND is a league-leader in YAC.

But I agree w/ you and Craig (because I'm consistent). Jake Long's not worth overpaying for, neither is Starks, Bush, Clemons AND Hartline. Negotiate fairly, and let the chips fall where they may.

My sincere belief is that we are going to be able to sign both Hartline and Bush.

I know this might not be the most popular thought but, if Miami decides they want to target a WR or TE in Rd 1, based on where most of them are ranked at the moment (I take it with a grain of salt, but still), wouldnt it make sense to trade back a bit from the 12th slot, grab an extra high pick or two, and take one of the WRs/TEs in the mid-late 1st round?

If Andrew Luck beats Baltimore Today, I'll take off my hat(if I had any downhere) and kneel at his feet.

What I got out of yesterday's game (Minn vs. GB) is that good teams learn how to win many different ways. If you watched the beginning of that game, Minn was lined up in a Tampa 2 to prevent Rodgers shredding them deep, so instead GB shredded them with short passes (and in the run game). EVERY PLAYER needs to step up when their time comes. THAT'S how you win consistently. It can't just be one part of your game or the other, it has to be a full effort. We haven't have a team here that all step up at the same time. Is that coaching? Personnel? I don't know. But whatever talent we get, that's what Philbin needs to instill in the players.

You can never take care of the Future, Kris, if you don't take care of this Moment.

Benz and DC...

That is pretty much were I am @.....

I understand Hartline wants a raise....and he should get on.....

but not one that hurts this teams CAP for years to come....because he isn't that type of player....He isn't Batman....and I don't even think he is Robin....he is more like Alfred.....you watch the whole movie waiting for that good one-line zinger that you know he's gonna say @ some point or another.....after that Alfred just kinda blends into the background......

Thats Hartline.....his one-line zinger was AZ....for the rest of the season....he just kind blended into the background.....

I'm all for re-signing him....but @ a price that says he is a complimentary player (which he is)...and not a #1...or even budding #2 price).......

You see, you make me write all these great quotes only to become angry and upset...

The Playoffs are all about QBs, and the Ds opposing them.

Oscar....

That may be the FIRST thing I have agreed with you on in YEARS.....

I'm defending Ireland....and agreeing with Oscar.....

Something is TERRIBLY wrong......

The world is most likely gonna end today folks.....

...This discussion of Hartline being a number 1 or a number 3, or a 4, or 10. Is totaly pointless. We can agree that we need to be better as a whole at the reciever spot. We can agree that the team will try and upgrade at reciever? We are going to have to pay someone right. We cannot just lowball our way around the block and expect to be taken seriously. I'm not saying break the bank on Hartline. But he is a piece that you keep, not jettison becuase we have to be fiscally responsible.

I wrote this yesterday..How many recievers in this league can play all 3 WCO reciever spots with the efficiency Hartline does? Not many. This alone, numbers aside make him a huge piece of the puzzle moving forward. We can find TD's we have to find TD's. but in a passing league, you do not just let a guy like Hartline walk, not when you are building a reciever corps.

There are plaenty of ways to keep Hartline here. The franchise tag would be one. We could sign him to an Transitional tag, that would give us first right to sign, it would also give us draft picks should we lose him. The exclusive tag also mean we do not pay him more then 120 percent of his contract..So we could get Hartline for less the 1 million for this season..But I don't think the team, or Hartline want to be put in this spot. Hartline deserves a bigger contract. It is going to be here, or somewhere else. At a position with no depth..NONE. It makes no sense to let him ride.

agree Kris......I said above that I think he's a solid 3/weak 2, so hopefully we can/will pay him like one......dont want to overpay (obviously) but I do think they're in a position where they might have to (a little.....which I'd be ok with)--I dont think Hartline holds all the cards but he's got some leverage (he's earned it).....dealing from a (slight) position of strength.....but thats all fine and manageable, give him a good/competitive contract, overpay a little if needed, and keep a good player.

..@ 11:28 the Transitional tag means we only pay 120 percent of his contract..I wrote exclusive that pays at a higher rate.

Is Brian Hartline paying for all these + commentaries about him here? We, question everything.

Sign the be safe not stupid

agree oscar, and goes even further.....the season (and playoffs) is the QB and D......no argument.....thats why they should use their first pick on defensive player.....follow te talent--stud WRs are nice but I think AJ Green will now be home watching the playoffs.....Calvin Johnson too (wow, how long before DET starts to figure out how to dump that contract?)--A Johnson and the Texans live another week, but then they go home....Colts, Skins and SEA are winning with solid but not elite WRs----QB.....and defense.

Hartline should stay if his contract demands are reasonable. His play in my mind warrants a modest increase in salary and a term that agrees with him in say the 3-4 year range. He's not a top 10 receiver and should not receive top 10 receiver money (5 million + per year) Based on his consistency I would question he plays like a top 20 receiver but he may get paid like one if he hits free agency.

3.5 million average/year with term length is about as high as I would go.

D is good to watch also, bnz, but I like to see how a great QB handles great defenses geared only against him.

..who is the number one reciever on the GB Packers? who is the number one reciever on the Denver Broncos? The Seahawks? The Falcons? They don't have a guy that is a true number 1 ..They have a conglomerate of high talent guys that can play. If you want to scream and yell that these teams have number one quality guys fine. But that is not the point. It is within the offense, within the scheme of each team. They have a number of options. Some of you want to take away one of ours because why? He may make more then you the blogger are comfortable with?

..I could just imagine Hartline going to a rival, eating our lunch. Then the whine factory coming out to
moan about how other teams take our players and turn them into stars. Actually I could care less about this, and it is not the point. We need to sign Hartline. plain and simple.

Kris,

I think there is a tendency for most fans to demand #1's and probowlers in every position. We know that won't ever happen. I see Hartline as a solid #2. He is scrappy, he has good hands, good awareness, good character. He get's open more than we realize.

How many coaching and QB changes has Hartline gone through since his rookie year? I can't pin the teams record on Hartline when so much was very wrong. He has not had the benefit of a great QB. Name a great receiver who didn't get there by having from a great QB. Look at Larry Fitzgerald before and after Warner.

I think Hartline is just now getting it, just coming into his prime, when many of you seem to be saying well he is not ever going to be Megatron so let him walk. I see him as a valuable #2 or a guy that could do very well in the slot.

That is my take. My guess is that will be Irelands take. I expect him to be around. He seems like a Philbin type player. We will see.

Enjoy the games today guys. Got a little shopping to do. I'll only be able to check the action from afar....

Have a good one...

Mike, I didn't know you were the fact checker for the blog, maybe I was wrong, maybe the fellow bloggers you "corrected" at 1043,1045 and 1047 were wrong, but maybe we have jobs and can't sit around all day and "do our research", maybe next time I'll consult with the research dept at ESPN, before I make my OPINION public... get a life, clown, or better yet get a job! I've noticed that alot of the "fact checkers" here on the blog are on here pretty much all day and night, that sort of tells me that either you don't have a job or you're posting while you should be working... shame on you, no wonder the work ethic and quality of service is way down in this country. One last tidbit for Mike and the rest of the "fact checkers" I've been a Miami fan probably before you were born... can't prove it, just basing it on the level of maturity of your posts, only an adolescent needs to prove everyone wrong.

Some of you want Mike Wallace. He is fast. He didn't exactly help his team get to the playoffs this year. What else? He wants diva money and he is not a diva. Are you sure you want him at an ego-inflated rate? I don't see him as a top $ guy.

Watching ESPN....

The OJ Brigance story is very touching and inspirational....

dam....

DD, that was my point watching the GB game yesterday. They don't have 1-2 weapons. They havev MULTIPLE weapons. Oh, and for the Jake Long lovers, Rodgers was the MOST SACKED QB IN THE NFL this year. I wonder how much hatred is being spewed at T.J. Lang and Don Barclay like it is Jonathan Martin. Only reason we yell at Martin is because we don't HAVE weapons to make linemen important in our offense. Compared to Rodgers, our QBs have had TONS of time. But who was there to pass to? Yes, we've had RBs, but we're a 1-dimensional team (including this year). We need to be multi-dimensional if we EVER want to go over .500.

I see some comments elsewhere about the Fins getting only a 2nd rounder for Vontae, not the conditional 6th as well......not ideal but not a awful, was part of the deal, as was the risk that the 2nd would be lower than expected--whatever--you can find good players anywhere in Rd 2......they just gotta do it (gulp)--and lets also not get crazy with the Vontae comments.....dude had a disappointing season overall, was awful for the first half, got 2 of his 3 INTs in one game--he was his typical frustrating self.....sometimes engage, sometimes disinterested, talented but inconsistent.....etc.

There's a point from Armando some in here are missing. We have no guarantees that Jennings or Wallace will make it to FA. And we certainly can't control what the other 31 teams will do when offering contracts to the FA's. Why even chance it with Hartline? We need to resign Hartline not at any price but as a priority.

..Kris..That was a great piece. I thought Dilfer was going to breakdown.

..DC. Right. We have a guy that is a home grown talent. A player that has excelled in our system. Hartline isn't a mercenary free agent coming in here. He has paid his dues here. Gotten better through tough circumstance. Isn't he an example of how Philbin wants to build this team(from within)..Think about this for a second.

Now I don't know if the build from the draft, develop our own players is truley what Philbin believes. Many of you do, so here is a prime example of a player who fits this mold.

Kris,

I Thought I Was The Only One!! But Hartline Does Have a Little DIVA In Him!!

And Don't Worry, You Are Not Picking Ireland's Side!! It's Just As His Biggest Critic!! You Know Some Of Ireland's Tendencies!! Ireland Will NOT Overspend!! Doesn't Mean Ireland Won't Spend!! Just That Ireland Has a Set Price!! And He Will Not Go Over That Value!!

This Could Also Explain Why Ireland Rarely Does Extensions!! Ireland, has Learned From The Errors Of Parcells Way!!

Mando, on Hartline.

It is Real Simple!! If We Resign Hartline We Can Not Go After A Free Agent Wr!!

All Of You Wanting 2 FA WR's!! And Also 2 Draft Pick Wr's!!

PUT YOUR GM CAP ON!!

Something Called A SALARY CAP!! AND OTHER NEEDS!!

1 FA WR And 1 High Draft Pick Wr!!! (And Resigning Flatline Counts as a FA WR!!)

We Can't Waste Most Of Our Premium Picks On 1 Position!!

The Fins Have Other Needs!!

Kris,

If a few more of Tannehill's deep passes were on target...

Many posting here might be referring to Hartline as a playmaker.

Not blaming Tannehill, just making an observation.

..Dashi. I totaly disagree with your post @ 12:00

We can certainly pay 2 free agent recievers, in fact we had better. Hartline being one of them. As far as the draft. I am putting TE under the reciever column..So yes we could draft 2 recievers. 1 traditional for sure. A tight end not so set in stone.

There are so many ways to manipulate the cap that none of us can even imagine, that this whole exercise about spending and over spending is pointless. None of us know how to manuver within the paramiters of a salary cap. So just quoting salary figures doesn't work. It isn't as simple as that. People should stop getting their panties in a bunch about these figures we don't understand.

Darryl D....

I almost broke down during that piece.....I was writing a rebuttal to you're pro-Hartline post and erased it all to write what I wrote @ 11:50......

I had to Wiki him to read more....

I'm gonna use him for inspiration when I need an extra incentive......

Many interesting points for and against re-signing Hartline.
We all agree that he posted good numbers that could have been better but for several over or underthrown balls. He is a very good route runner and can play all the WR positions. He was an asset for Tannehill psych vs a potential liability that B. Marshall could have been. But most of all, he was a team guy.
The main knock on him is that his speed is in the 4.5 range but that did'nt seem to keep him from getting open alot.
Bottom line, re-sign him and add FA to improve the WR corp rather than let him walk and create another hole that would need to be filled.

Signal....

Even with a few more on target passes from Tanne.....I still think that only give Hartline 3-4 Tds for the season.....

we need a 10+ TD WR.....or 3 WR who can get 8+ in a season.....anything less will keep our offensive PPG near the bottom of the league.....

Kris this doesn't happen all of the time (ha!) but I could not agree more with you.

The big thing I DON'T like about Hartline is his cockiness. You can see it on the sideline, you can see it when he doesn't get thrown too when he feels he's open. He jumps around, swings his arms up in the air, and looks to the sideline like "wtf"? He's a finger pointer and pass the buck player, "it's this persons fault we didn't win". I can't stand that attitude. And I just can't help to think about how much time he spent with Marshall learning how to be a professional pain in the a%$.

But in saying that he can catch between the twenties and he does have a knack for getting open deep once and a while against smaller cbs. I think he would be a decent #2 but excellent #3 and that is exactly where they should figure him in. Pay him the average that falls in between.

I truly hope they aren't trying to get him #1 money because they are delusional to think he is worth it. But that's Hartline for you, the guy struts around like he's a top wr in the league and he can't even jump more than a few inches off the ground and plays small because of his stature.

Putting the team on notice through the media like that, dictating what he thinks they should do, actually saying "if it costs a little more well that's the nature of the NFL"? Really, really dumb and I guarantee you Rosenhaus called him immediately after reading the quotes to tell him to keep his trap shut until they actually sign something. Why push the team into a corner like that? Maybe the kid isn't that smart because he's certainly clueless in the art of negotiation.

Hartline is EXACTLY the type of player Belichick would target and try to sign. Dependable, smart, and valuable to any offense. If you don't recognize that much you simply don't know the game very well.

Does Miami need to upgrade the position overall? Well, DUH. The team's lack of blazing speed at wideout has been noted by EVERYBODY and greatly hinders what Tannehill and the offense can accomplish. You can't just *wish* an aggressive, downfield offense into happening. You need the PLAYERS to make that happen.

But that doesn't devalue Hartline at all. Two entirely different things and he would ALSO benefit from a burner on the team helping to open things up.

Agreed totally with Armando here. Among the Dolphins own free agents, he is the top priority. Easily.

Reggie Bush and Randy Starks are the 2 we need to sign. Letting loose Long is a must for cap space. Sean Smith is not worth the top dollar, let him go - we can get a F/A who is much better than him. As for Hartline I don't see him as worth the price of a #1 wr. If we can sign him for #2 money then do it, if not we need to heavily target a F/A #1 this offseason

Daryl D....

This is perhaps the most fired I have ever read from you on a this blog.....

clearly you are a big Hartline fan....and want him back in a FINS uniform....

My position is take him or leave him.....

My main disagreement with you're position is you are talking about Hartline as if he is the ONLY receiver in the league who knows....or has the ability to learn the 3 WCO WR positions....I think @ times....fans OVER VALUE there own players....we even over look lack of production...because we believe (or hear/read) he is a hard worker.....so in our minds he will get better and better.....even tho the #s are consistently mediocre (yards) to abysmal (TOUCHDOWNS)....year after year.....and some how...some way....we fans don't believe that we can get better thru FA or the draft.....

I think we can get better....I think OTHER WR's (on this team now....or in the future) have the ability to learn ALL 3 WR positions.....

Daryl....this has ZERO to do with what I feel comfortable with Hartline making.....I have posted several times today that he will most likely get PAID by another team....far be it from me to count another man's money.....Hartline will get paid what Ireland or some other GM feel he is worth....

and as far as Hartline becoming a star somewhere else.....so be it.....I have NEVER posted about Welker doing what he does in NE...because I don't believe he would EVER have become the WR he is today playing in Miami....

Belicheat is/has revolutionized offensive football......first thru the use of the slot receiver....and now thru the emphasis of the TE....

I can only hope that Philbin can become as imaginative as Belcheat has become during his decade of dominance in the AFC.....

Same goes for Hartline....

I love Andrew Luck but wish he had more going in the 'eye candy' department. He's kind of ugly even if his body is hot.

Same with RG3. What a loveable kid, but that face of his!

Brady and Rodgers still set off the fireworks, though. Scrumptious. Not to mention their uncanny ability despite limited mobility to instantly scan any defensive scheme and attack its weak point.

Yeah I'm noticing a bit of revisionist history going on with these overthrows to Hartline.

Every day the number goes up, pretty soon we will hear "Hartline would have had 15 tds if Tannehill hit him instead of overthrowing".

Lets be honest, there were maybe 3 or 4 overthrows at the most. I'm talking Hartline wide open ball clearly over his head. But no one talks about the catches HE should have made or that a better skilled receiver WOULD have made. And no one gives Tannehill one bit of credit for helping Hartline to the best year of his career.

Dashi....I agree @ 12:00

Darryl D has points that can't be denied about the ins and outs of the the CAP situation....and I am sure that none of us have the foggiest idea on what they can or can not do when it comes to manipulating the CAP....even they CAPOLOGIST make mistakes from time to time....

Ask the Cowboys...Redskins...of even the FINS (Porter debacle).......

Phins 78....

I couldn't have said what you have posted any better.....

I agree with both post.....

He is the most tangible consequence of Philbin's work and philosophy in Miami, and right now we need all the help we can get in the WR department. So Hartline is a must-have for this franchise. Let's just hope he is grateful enough to avoid eating too much cap space.

benz, I'm not impressed with Hartline. But I'd bring him back Because we have no depth at WR.

i agree with Boulderphinphan, Matthews will be a better receiver. Hartline is getting paid, so he better buy in. If a team that is absolutely horrible offers him a ton of money you think he will say "no I am not buying into your organization". Please child! Hartline is good, not great. He needs to learn how not to fall everytime he catches the ball. As far as BM goes, did he help the Bears get to the playoffs! I don't care about his stats, bottom line was he a difference maker to getting to the playoffs!

When we have good WR's we can afford to let Hartline leave but not until then.

Kris,

Agreed. You Can Manipulate The Cap.

What Dashi Is Saying It Is Not Smart!!!

To Spend $5-6 Mil On Hartline!! Then Go Out and Spend $7-9 Mil On Jennings Or Wallace!! Then Go And Waste Draft Picks!! On Wr's!!

WHEN WE HAVE OTHER NEEDS THAT ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT!!

Sign 1 FA WR!! Draft 1 WR In The 2nd! And Another 1 In The 3rd Or 4th!!

Do Not Spend $13-15 Mil!! On 2 Good But Not Great Wr!!

Now! If You Want! We Can Draft 2 Wr's! In The Second!! And Do Other Things In Free Agency!!

And Phins78, Agreed!! Hartline Thinks He Is Better Than What He Is!! Hartline Is Very Pompous Like!!

That Word Fits!! Pompous!!

So many people on these blog boards just don't get it. Everybody keeps calling Jeff Ireland a terrible GM & calling for his dismissle, but he hasn't prooven to be a bad or a good GM yet. After next year, that will be the 1st time you can truly judge if the Dolphins are being improoved by Jeff Ireland or not. People need to realize that Ireland came here to a team with terrible talent & too many bad contracts causing salary cap problems. On top of that, his 1st 2 years here the team was ran more by Bill Parcells. Now when you combine that with the fact that 90% of our roster have been here less than 3 years then it's understandable why this team hasen't reached it's potential yet. THIS UPCOMING YEAR IS THE YEAR TO TRULY JUDGE JEFF IRELAND BY.


Yeah I'm noticing a bit of revisionist history going on with these overthrows to Hartline.

Every day the number goes up, pretty soon we will hear "Hartline would have had 15 tds if Tannehill hit him instead of overthrowing".

Lets be honest, there were maybe 3 or 4 overthrows at the most. I'm talking Hartline wide open ball clearly over his head.

Posted by: Phins78 | January 06, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Phins78,

Let's be honest...

I've been here and haven't noticed anyone claiming Hartline's td numbers would go beyond that handfull of over/underthows...

A little revisionist history on your part?


hartline will be resigned no worries on that one

I would like to make ONE retraction....

Earlier in the season....I questioned Dansby's integrity in regards to his bicep injury.....

After seeing Ray Lewis wearing a similar device......and other players who have said they have simlar injuries wearing that kind of device.....

I think I owe Dansby an apology.....

clearly his play was affected by his injury....and clearly he showed his dedication to the FINS and football by playing thru such a painful injury....

« 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... 13 14 »

The comments to this entry are closed.