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The cost of doing business ain't cheap

Let's put aside the fanciful talk of adding this guy and re-signing that guy for a moment and consider what all this stuff is going to cost, shall we?

Let me scare you right off the bat:

If the Dolphins want to add an elite wide receiver this offseason in free agency -- assuming one is even available -- it is going to cost around $9-$11 million per season. That's according to former NFL agent and salary cap expert Joel Corry,  who now writes about NFL contracts and the salary cap for the National Football Post.

"The high end UFA WRs will be looking at Vincent Jackson's 5-year, $55,555,555 deal ($26M GTD) as a benchmark," Corry tweeted to me on Thursday.

That is $11 million a year, folks.

Obviously, there are two things at play that must be stipulated.

That price is for a Vincent Jackson-type wide receiver. The player asking for that money must offer that enormous amount of talent. Jackson caught 72 passes for 1,384 yards (a whopping 19.2 yards per catch) and eight TDs in 2012. I'm not certain anyone on the market rises to that level of ability.

Jackson is a deep threat all day long and he also happens to be 6-5 and 230 pounds. (Yeah, amazing).

And the $11 million is the starting asking price. It is not necessarily the final price.

While any elite wide receiver on the market may want $11, I'm sure most will be talked off that skyscrapper ledge to a much lower floor. I'd say, and this is a conservative estimate, the elite wide receiver on the market this year will get around $10 million per season and it'll fall sharply from there. Remember, Wes Welker made $9.55 million under a franchise tag in 2012 and would cost $11.4 million if tagged in 2013 -- which is unlikely.

By the way, the cost of doing business in the wide receiver market won't be cheap for the Dolphins even if they stick with what they got. Pending free agent Brian Hartline, a No. 2 receiver, will be looking for $5-$6 million per year on the open market if he gets there.

Greg Jennings? He'll be hovering in the $8-$9 million annual range.

And the price at other positions won't be much cheaper.

Elite cornerbacks are expecting $10 million per season. Agents will be looking at Brandon Carr's five-year $50 million deal with Dallas and Jason McCourty's 5-year, $43 million deal to stay in Tennesee and see that as the numbers to shoot for.

So Carr is averaging $10 million a year while McCourty is averaging $8.6 million per year.

That's the zip code cornerback Sean Smith expects to inhabit at the start of free agency. And yes, he's likely going to free agency. I don't think the Dolphins will pay that kind of money for Smith. They see him as a good player who still has unmet potential. They do not see him as a game-changer or playmaker.

There are also questions about how Smith will react professionally once he gets paid. Will he cruise? Will he feel entitled? Will the work ethic suffer?

(Kindly post comments on whether you believe Sean Smith is worth $8.6 million per season in the appropriate section below).

That's the cost of doing business, folks.

The Dolphins will be lucky to re-sign Randy Starks for the $6 million a year Paul Soliai got in March of 2012. The Herald's Barry Jackson tells me the sides have opened talks but are not close.

I'll say.

I would imagine Starks will be the highest-paid DT on the team, seeing as he's the only one that's been to a couple of Pro Bowls. But I don't see how the Dolphins can pay him the $8 million per year that Vince Wilfork makes or certainly not the $12 million per year that Haloti Ngata makes.

So that might land him in the $7 million a year slot.

That might well be the cost of doing business.


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I came back to see if Craig answered me and saw your question. I have noticed you have been using it a lot, how many times have you reposted it? Thanks! I'll explain once since you are too ignorant to understand.

The post was a self defacing joke. I had an hour of free time, came in here and left multiple football related posts but then had to leave. I thanked everyone for allowing me to leave my droppings meaning I was making fun of my own opinions. Breathe in the aroma meant I was leaving you with crappy opinions you had to smell (read) after I left.

I know you were mad Armando publicly spanked you but using my post as some sort of example as to supposed filth is reaching, even for you. It's not worth even talking about but feel free to keep reposting it. You have received a tremendous response from the writer and other posters. Good luck, God bless you.

We can start over ,all of our sins will be cleansed

It's like when you banged an ugly fat girl

Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports Long is believed to be seeking “at least $10 million a year” and the Fins are “pessimistic” about their chances of retaining him.
Posted by: Bye Mr. Long | January 27, 2013 at 05:01 PM

Disappointing, yet fine with me. If $10 million gets us some better talent and an improved record then I won't be the least bit upset. Potential HOF LG who (maybe) deserved $10 million a year is now worth about $6 million with a lot of risk. Johnathon Martin welcome to LG.

Add that hole to our list though. RG/RT TE WR Secondary. Next year you can add LB and possibly DL depending on how that offseason goes. And if we really haven't improved maybe we're looking at another hole at QB. Not writing anything off and it's all fixable with this year's draft and FA

So go dolphins it's our time

Phins78. I hope you do not allow the truly clueless to chase you off this board. If we can agree on one thing it's this- this is a decent blog when we are actually talking football and wanting the best for our favorite team.

There are some that are knowledgeable on here. Unfortuntely, way too many wasted posts by imposters and frauds. Not nearly the quality as some former boards that I used to visit with some great fellow posters. That's why I stop by infrequently when a topic catches my attention.

Your facts can't be argued when coming to the Fins recent track record and Ireland's failure to land a receiver. The Fins lack playmakers across the board and remain irrelevant. Who is to blame for that? Collectively, everyone is to blame but the GM is ultimatley responsible to put a winning product on the field. Still waiting after all these years. Keep the faith brother

Craig, I wouldn't say that Ireland had any colossal misses at WR but that's mainly because be hasn't hit the dart board with a single WR let alone a bullseye

You people are so negative like a bunch of whiny babies

Craig you and I have been defending Ireland's first few years because Parcells was here. That means when making a case for Ireland we are not allowed to use players drafted or signed while he was here. Hartline was drafted while Parcells was here so that example can not be used for our discussion. Can't have it both ways.

I don't have time right now but will make a new list of failed WR drafted players and free agents and I will make sure you see it this time so we can further this discussion. Thanks for answering me and I'll get back to you on that as soon as I can.

Who cares if these players leave it can't get any worse

Fixable is a Sparano term which translates into UnFixable any time soon.

Long will go to NE and be a Pro Bowler for the next 8 years.

Philbin and Sherman have a great eye for talent.mainly skill players in case no one knew consider it our little secret douche bags

Screw long screw New England and most of all screw you.say la vee

The Phins will be fine .

Craig before I go I just read the end of your post and absolutely that's fair. So your stance is you are waiting to see if he can get a wr this season because you feel he had been concentrating on other holes the past two years. I know we've been over this before, just had a de ja vu! But I still want to repost the list because he has been bringing wrs in, all of which seem to be gone.

I guess my point is that there are wrs in the league that are taken in later rounds and contribute heavily. Philbin cut most of Irelands receivers before the season even started. No one picked them up. Clyde Gates was the only pick up and it was a team with more problems than we have that took him. GOT to go, I'll check back when I can.

Observing this great debate about Matt Flynn.

Whether he was wanted enough by the Fins to begin with, or whether they were outbid and he chose Seattle is all speculation.

But here are the facts fellas:

1) he WAS pursued in the FA chase for a QB by the Fins for better or worse
2) He cannot be judged for what he DID or DID not do. The Seahawks chose wisely in the draft. He got beat by a better guy who appears to be a star after one season. That doesn't make him dog crap. He hasn't started for an NFL team, so how do WE know if he's garbage or not??
3) If Tannehill pans out, it looks like a great move by Miami. If he does not, Flynn could have been our starting QB and the Fins could have chosen a top player, in particular a WR, to help our cause. Or the Fins could have drafted Russell Wilson instead of Tannehill and not be talking about any of this.

So what't the point in debating the issue?

At the end of the day it's about putting a winning formula on the field. There's no debating that the current regime can't seem to make that happen. But we still have Ireland, for better or worse. Let's agree on one thing- if he can't make it happen AGAIN this year, he's gotta go!

The discussion about Ireland's failure at picking WRs is pretty easy to figure out. Parcells pretty much hated WRs and did not value them as say a RT or LB. Ireland was trained by Parcells and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The same argument can be made about any of the 'skill' positions.

tvegas, thank you for the kind words. And I have pretty thick skin, I get upset from time to time with the nonsense but would never let a stranger dictate to me what I can and can't do. I enjoy talking to people like you and there are more than a few of you in here so I just read the names at the bottom first before reading the post. I noticed a post of mine from a couple of days ago and thought it was weird which is why I read and responded to the troublemaker. I couldn't believe someone was going back multiple posts to find something I said and use it today. Wasn't sure of the relevance at first but quickly noticed he was using it as a way to get under my skin? I think? I don't know, it's too crazy for me to even think about.

But I look forward to talking some Dolphins with you in the future and have a great night. Lets Go Dolphins!!!!!

Weak response Craig. I think you, among many here, couldn't wait to see the "cancer" Marshall leave the building. Even though he was undoubtably the only talented wideout this team has had in years,most Fins fans see him as a total bust. If you're going to defend Ireland soley on his two years as GM, Hartline wasn't his pick. Or if you want to credit him for that, he was picked in the same year that collosal bust Patrick Turner was drafted. The Pat White year, remember?

So, I ask you again, who in the heck as Ireland brought in worth a damn at receiver? Simple- NOBODY. And how many recievers have come an gone off the scrap heap since he's been here? TOO MANY TO COUNT!

Ireland cant pick his nose. Forget about a WR or a QB.

"Outside of that we have nothing to judge becuase he hasn't focussed his attention on this position high enough in the draft. So I think we have an 'undecided' if he can evaluate this position or not. "

Here's the other irony in your statement Craig. The fact that he has ignored the postition two years straight in the higher rounds in a PASSING League speaks volumes. By ignoring the postion he's dug his own grave. I would say that doesn't help your talent evaluation agrument much





Which WR would you have picked in the top rounds tvegas?

Blackmon looks average
Baldwin looks average

at best

There is nothing to debate about Matt Flynn. Philbin wanted him but that cheap SOB Ross wouldnt pay him. Seattle has 2 QB's better then anything on our roster.

Bye Zonkscum :)

Phins 78. No thank you necessary buddy. there are those that talk good football on this board. As much as I disagree wtih guys like Craig, he does have a passion for the Fins, which is why we're all here.

I get frustrated with guys that make blanket comments with no research, or guys like NJ who will defend the actions of a losing organization at any cost.

Newsflash to some newbies- less one surprise season under Parcells, the long time fans have been denied a winning tradition since Marino. Isn't that long enough to demand something better from the Front office?

Wake me up when this team is 8-0 in a regular season. That's the only way to be sure they have a winning record.

What's really sad is ppl think 7-9 is progress.

This team is stuck on a merry go round and everyone appears to enjoy being dizzy.

tvegas, why the name change?

..If I may join the debate. I think the point that Ireland cannot evaluate recievers is still undecided. There is more evidence on the side of he cannot, then on the side of he can. Evident by the fact that we have issues at the position. TE included. If you look at the players at these 2 positions he is responsible for. You could say his efforts have been so far not good enough. We wouldn't be having this debate otherwise.

The reason I say that labeling him as unable to find talent is that he is still here. We don't know who he will bring in, and how these players will contribute. If you have doubt, that is understandable. But IMO until Ireland is gone, or the tides turn. We have to judge him as incomplete.

..@ 5:50 The reason I say labeling him as unable to find talent may be unfair..

How many rebuilding years does one GM get in the NFL? We're stuck with Ireland next season and the season after that. So two more years.

Ross will allow Ireland's acorns to try an grow. Problem is these nuts will never grow into a tree.

Ireland found receiver talent in Dallas. He just hasn't focused on WR the last couple of years. I fault him for sitting too long on Moore and Wallace, it shouldn't take 3 seasons to know if they are keepers or not.

Hey Sparrow, back for more?

Dolphins fans can certainly look back at this offseason and think “what if?” While living in the past does nobody any goDolphins fans can certainly look back at this offseason and think “what if?” While living in the past does nobody any good, it certainly seems like the Dolphins would be in a much nicer situation right now with the combination of Flynn and Blackmon or Floyd, rather than Tannehill and Legedu Naanee or Davone Bess.

"Guys that disrupt the passer. Guys that disrupt the timing of a receiver in the route," Ireland said. "Guys that catch interceptions. Guys that knock down balls. Guys that score touchdowns. Guys that can pick up chunk yardage. Guys that can run after catch. Guys that can create big plays on their ability alone."

This is what Jeff Ireland is looking for this offseason.

So basically, we need a brand new team. Didn't we trade out of a high draft pick recently? Why didn't he address some of those needs then?

I was thinking if Long is so valuable why don't the Phins franchise him and then trade him?

..Rex. Good post @5:56

You are right. We had a good reciever in BM. I think one of the reasons the team got rid of him was internally the team believed they had guys that were ready to fill the void. It didn't work out. Roberto Wallace couldn't seperate, Neither could Clyde Gates. Flash forward to last years offseason, and the draft. We weren't going to spend cash on a premium free agent, and Wr wasn't explored until much later then most of us thought. Ireland should take some heat for perhaps over evaluating poor players, but it happens everywhere.

Also..Take into account thge team did not think that Tannehill would start the season. This may have been an oversight. But what sort of recievers do we need to match his skill set, and the scheme we want to run with him as quarterback as he develops? I'm not making excuses for Ireland. I'm just saying it would have been difficult to try and match his skill set to a group of players. Especially when it was Garrard who would have been the number one if he hadn't been injured.

Now they have a season of evaluation under their collective belts. And perhaps a better idea of what we need reciever wise to best match what Tannehill does well, and what he needs to get better.

"Which WR would you have picked in the top rounds tvegas?

Blackmon looks average
Baldwin looks average at best"

Let me help you out MiamiD20

Julio Jones, Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb, AJ Green, Kendall Wright, TY Hilton (absolute steal), Alshon Jeffery, Rueben Randle, Mohammed Sanu, Chris Givens.

Everyone of those guys have already contributed or showed more potential on the field than almost every WR on the Dolphins roster not named Bess or Hartline.
Could the Fins had all of them? Probably never AJ Green. But any other two of them would have looked good in a Fins uniform.

Btw, Blackmon was one of the most improved WR's in the league the second half of the season unless you were watching the CFL instead. I would have loved that pick if we didn't so desperately needed a QB. Just sayin'

I gotta believe Philbin was on board with letting Marshall go. Ireland isn't going to dump his most talented offensive player without his brand new coaches approval. He didn't want a me me me player getting in his qb's head. Cutler and Marshall may be good for each other...but they are not good for the team.

tvegas, why the name change?

The following is for Craig M the Clueless Canadian Moron. And anyone else who claimed Philbin didnt want Matt Flynn.

From PFT
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 27, 2012, 6:32 PM EST

Philbin said people who think the Dolphins didn’t pursue Flynn aggressively are wrong.

I think we made an aggressive push,” Philbin said. “We got him in here relatively quickly. Again, we had great meetings. Matt and I had some conversations, a number of conversations prior to his arrival to Miami. We had some subsequent ones after. He’d probably be able to give you better answer as to why he chose to go elsewhere.”

That aggressive push may have been hampered by the fact that the Dolphins first aggressively pushed for Peyton Manning, but Philbin said he’s not sure why Flynn picked the Seahawks.

Flynn’s decision to play for the Seahawks even though the Dolphins made an aggressive push — and even though Flynn already knows he can play well in Philbin’s offense — would seem to be another indication of the widespread perception that a whole lot of players just don’t want to play for the Dolphins right now.

tvegas, why the name change?

Posted by: ?

Not sure what you're referring to here. Never been a name change

Of course Ross low balling everyone is probably a factor also.

Shula 73,

So I just wanted to make sure I've got you on record on this one. You're saying you wish the Dolphins had spent big money on a career backup that draft a promising kid in the draft, at a fraction of the cost. I just want to make certain I've got it right when Tannehill starts playing well and all of a sudden you've jumped on the bandwagon.

Now idea how any of this is going to play out but drafting Tannehill and NOT signing Flynn was absolutely the right move AT THE TIME.

Craig M dont change the subject. You said Philbin didnrt want Flynn. That is your lie, idiot.


A lot of the guys you are referring to were first round picks over the last couple of years. Which pick over the last two years do you wish the team HADN'T made so you could get your WR. AJ Green anf Julio Jones? How do you figure the team was going to get one of them? Why don't you just throw Andrew Luck and RGIII in there too. Weak argument, man.....

I'm not saying anything about whats better or not better. You said Philbin didnt want Flynn. YOU LIE PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Craig M lies to fit his agenda. Clueless idiot. PROVEN!

What I said was the Dolphins decided against Flynn. YOU said Flynn turned the Dolphins down.

Is THIS what you wanted to debate?

There is no debate jackass

Shula 73,

Go have another drink, you old f8cking drunk!! You're a negative nellie. I made a mistake talking to you in the first place....you old f8cking loser!!

You're a debate....you're a debate as to whether you're a scumbag or just a drunk....

Done with you negative nellie....go suck it!!

Would Canadian Craig admit he was wrong like a man would? I didnt think so.

Craig the Clueless. PROVEN!!!

You're such a WEIRD dude!! All this need to be wrong all the time. What did you prove by your story that you posted? Tell me.

Philbin knowing Flynn better than Seattle, also knew he wasn't worth the high price tag. Philbin is a class guy, he is not going to say we thought Flynn was asking too much.

Flynn is a 7th round pick. That means for 6 rounds, 32 GM's passed on him. That is 192 picks minimum went before him. He doesn't have much of an arm.

I really don't know why any of you would expect much from him. It comes off as nothing more than some looking for another reason to bash the FO just for the sake of it.

Would Canadian Craig admit he was wrong like a man would? I didnt think so.

Posted by: Shula 73 | January 27, 2013 at 06:32 PM


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