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The cost of doing business ain't cheap

Let's put aside the fanciful talk of adding this guy and re-signing that guy for a moment and consider what all this stuff is going to cost, shall we?

Let me scare you right off the bat:

If the Dolphins want to add an elite wide receiver this offseason in free agency -- assuming one is even available -- it is going to cost around $9-$11 million per season. That's according to former NFL agent and salary cap expert Joel Corry,  who now writes about NFL contracts and the salary cap for the National Football Post.

"The high end UFA WRs will be looking at Vincent Jackson's 5-year, $55,555,555 deal ($26M GTD) as a benchmark," Corry tweeted to me on Thursday.

That is $11 million a year, folks.

Obviously, there are two things at play that must be stipulated.

That price is for a Vincent Jackson-type wide receiver. The player asking for that money must offer that enormous amount of talent. Jackson caught 72 passes for 1,384 yards (a whopping 19.2 yards per catch) and eight TDs in 2012. I'm not certain anyone on the market rises to that level of ability.

Jackson is a deep threat all day long and he also happens to be 6-5 and 230 pounds. (Yeah, amazing).

And the $11 million is the starting asking price. It is not necessarily the final price.

While any elite wide receiver on the market may want $11, I'm sure most will be talked off that skyscrapper ledge to a much lower floor. I'd say, and this is a conservative estimate, the elite wide receiver on the market this year will get around $10 million per season and it'll fall sharply from there. Remember, Wes Welker made $9.55 million under a franchise tag in 2012 and would cost $11.4 million if tagged in 2013 -- which is unlikely.

By the way, the cost of doing business in the wide receiver market won't be cheap for the Dolphins even if they stick with what they got. Pending free agent Brian Hartline, a No. 2 receiver, will be looking for $5-$6 million per year on the open market if he gets there.

Greg Jennings? He'll be hovering in the $8-$9 million annual range.

And the price at other positions won't be much cheaper.

Elite cornerbacks are expecting $10 million per season. Agents will be looking at Brandon Carr's five-year $50 million deal with Dallas and Jason McCourty's 5-year, $43 million deal to stay in Tennesee and see that as the numbers to shoot for.

So Carr is averaging $10 million a year while McCourty is averaging $8.6 million per year.

That's the zip code cornerback Sean Smith expects to inhabit at the start of free agency. And yes, he's likely going to free agency. I don't think the Dolphins will pay that kind of money for Smith. They see him as a good player who still has unmet potential. They do not see him as a game-changer or playmaker.

There are also questions about how Smith will react professionally once he gets paid. Will he cruise? Will he feel entitled? Will the work ethic suffer?

(Kindly post comments on whether you believe Sean Smith is worth $8.6 million per season in the appropriate section below).

That's the cost of doing business, folks.

The Dolphins will be lucky to re-sign Randy Starks for the $6 million a year Paul Soliai got in March of 2012. The Herald's Barry Jackson tells me the sides have opened talks but are not close.

I'll say.

I would imagine Starks will be the highest-paid DT on the team, seeing as he's the only one that's been to a couple of Pro Bowls. But I don't see how the Dolphins can pay him the $8 million per year that Vince Wilfork makes or certainly not the $12 million per year that Haloti Ngata makes.

So that might land him in the $7 million a year slot.

That might well be the cost of doing business.

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I guess armando has lifted the ban on OdinStench.

To Bad the blog was "FILTH FREE"

Odin was given a "time out" by Armando. He thinks others don't know that, but they do.

He is on probation here and will behave accordingly or it's bye bye time. At least under that name.

My opinion....give Harline the money. His trajectory is on the rise. Keep Starks at a reasonable salary. He is steady. Let Smith walk if he is looking for 8 million. Sign Wallace at the 10 million...The cost of going to after a position of need.

As for Jake Long....still would like to see Dolphins franchise him if he doesn't agree to long term deal. He is still young and very good....just not a top three. After franchising him a deal cannot be worked then trade him.

Jeff Ireland has a tough job this year in trying to put together a competitive team. While I'm sure you can disagree with the figures below, they are from previous posts here and probably for this exercise, close enough to allow arm-chair GMs to understand Ireland's difficulties.
$76M - 40 players currently under contract
$8M - Draft: 9 rookie signings
$6M - held in reserve for season 2013
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$90M - Total accounted for out of $127M 2013 salary cap - 49 players signed
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The Dolphins have 19 players on the roster of 40 currently signed (above) - all starters, incl K,P,LS,etc- that count against the cap with totals at $63M. That's $63M out of the $76M of currently signed players. That leaves 21 players sharing $13M. If we're not cutting any starters, that leaves a $13M pool of 21 players that Jeff Ireland CAN CUT to free up additional money.

So, to attack free agency (19 ex-Dolphins + other teams) Ireland has the $37M left after the $90M previously accounted for (49 players signed, incl all draftees) and he has the $13M pool money from 21 players that he can cut without losing starters.

Will the team want the 8 RFAs and Exclusive rights players back? (S Jonathon Amaya, TE Jeron Mastrud, CB Bryan McCann, WR Marlon Moore, LB Austin Spitler, OT Patrick Brown, QB Pat Devlin & CB R.J. Stanford). Some of these guys can be signed from the $13M pool money of non-starters because the team will have to cut many to get to the 53-man roster.

Let's say that leaves the $37M for 11 Dolphin UFAs: RB Reggie Bush- $4.5M, S Chris Clemons- $1.5M, S Tyrone Culver- 1.0M, TE Anthony Fasano- 3.5M, G/T Nate Garner- $1.5M, WR Brian Hartline- $5M, LT Jake Long- $9M, DT Tony McDaniel- $3M, QB Matt Moore- $3.5M, CB Sean Smith- $6M & DT Randy Starks- $6.5M. It would take $45M to sign all these Dolphin UFAs at my discounted "best guess."

The balance left after signing any of the above Dolphin UFAs can be used for other teams free agents.

LMAO@JefFirescuMyHero's "Woodshed" remark.You meant with CraigM,right?

The funniest thing I heard all year is the possibility of paying Sean Smith to a $9m per yr contract. I'd rather cut him, Patterson, Marshall, and Carroll and put a big offer out to Revis. No, I don't think Revis is a reality but I would honestly go crazy and pay Revis before I would ever pay Smith this type of money. Smith is not an elite CB and keeping him around assuming he will become one is craziness.

I understand rookie CB's are not ideal. But I am all aboard for using our draft picks in rounds 1 & 2 to sign best available CB's and start over. This CB unit is the biggest weakness on the team. Signing two top level prospects and committing to their development is not a bad move for Miami. The position is very costly as the players' contracts develop over time. So, unless the team really believes in their CB's they should cut them after the rookie contracts and reinvest in new ones.

Or....they find ways to bring in proven veterans. This year they could look at other Free Agents or use the extra draft picks as trade bait. Not sure if there are other solid CB's in Revis' position? Maybe a proven vet is entering the last year of their contract...Can the fins offer a #2 draft pick to trade for them?

Any or all of these options should be explored but PLEASE DO NOT RESIGN SEAN SMITH TO A BIG MONEY DEAL.

i was a big Starks fan at the beginning of they year. He seemed more dynamic and impactful then. But I just get the sense that his second half numbers slid off. I would love to sign him but paying $6m knowing you have Odrick, Shelby and McDaniels (sign him for backup money)....I'd rather spend $6m on Finley.

Moving Odrick to the inside DT full-time makes sense to me. Give Vernon a shot to convert to DE like Wake did. I would also look to add DE in the draft.

Vincent Jackson was the prize WR Free Agent and the Fins didn't land him. Big mistake. Instead they screwed up the Marshall transaction. Instead they didn't use a #1 or #2 pick on a WR. They settled for mediocre talent. Yes, Hartline had a great year but he is NEVER going to be a world class WR in the NFL. Ye, he is a good possession receiver and yes, he is probably worth resigning for $5m per year. But C'Mon Ireland, step up and go after Wallace. Use the Smith/Starks money and go get us Wallace He is someone defenders will need to truly respect and worry about. He will make Bess, Hartline and any TE's on this team better.

Here is a somewhat crazy thought....Let Pat Devlin be your #2 QB. Let Moore go and don't invest any additional $'s in a Vet back up. Lets go young at QB and go all in with THILL for the next 3 seasons. Let Devlin develop further as the #2. The extra reps all season would do him really well. He did some solid work in pre-season and Philbin seems to like the kid. I'd use a #6 or #7 draft pick to pick up a young QB to slot into #3 QB position and reinvest the extra QB money to resign Bush or Long.

Bush and Long are really worth keeping.....IF.....they don't break your bank. One way to avoid that is to find ways to squeeze extra money to invest in their signings. I really think using Moore's $ to sign Bush or Long makes a lot of sense.

Bush or Long makes THILL better. They make TD's happen. They make the offense better. Paying the Moore money to Moore or another vet QB backup doesn't do that much for us. The value of that is the difference between Moore and Devlin in the 1 or 2 games a year they actually play if THILL is injured.

I see #1 Weasel in Montreal is at it again. First he says on here REPEATEDLY 'I'm done with you dude', but he obviously can't leave me alone. There he is again, posting continuously about me. Remind anyone of T'eo's behaviour? Yeah, strange stuff.

And then he tells me, 'I've got a life', but there he is again, on a Friday night, when most people are out (who actually have a life) hammering away on nonsensical post after non-sensical post. Is there ANYTHING you actually stick to dude? Anything you actually do what you say you're going to do?

Anyways, it would be great if you actually would be 'done' with me. You're a complete waste of breath for me and have ZERO original thoughts. Have a good weekend...

jpao,

I'm not getting your point aboout Revis. You want the team to trade for him and then commit to that salary? Why? What do you think it would cost to get him? Why are we trading picks for an aging vet? And $16 mil a year? No thanks. I'm fine with adding guys in FA or the draft but unlike you I don't believe the answer is to draft guys in the first or second. I think we can add other ways, like getting a good pass rusher in there and a safety. Would make all the difference in the world. I'd go with Patterson, Marshall and Carroll and add another vet. Problem solved for now. Like you, I'm a no on Smith.

Also, the Dolphins didn't make a mistake not signing VJax last year. With what money? they has NO cap room. There wasn't a chance they were going to be able to get into a bidding war with TB or anyone else. This year? Different story.

Revis is the best defensive player in football but Ross is way too cheap to pay for him....or any other top players.

Harml, Revis may well be the best but I doubt any team would be willing to pay his salar(as it stands) or pay the number of/high pick(s) it woul take IMO.

Now we have some salary cap room(thanks to Irelands restructuring etc) we will see how 'cheap' he is if the RIGHT players become available.
Me, I'll take him on his word that he'll spend whatever it takes on the right players if they become available, untill I see any different

I have no problem adding free agents but don't get crazy . I can see paying for a wideout like Jennings for 8-9 mil Wallace for 10 mil and maybe a te for 4 mil but that's about it other than that I look for value guys we certainly need to add a veteran presence at the playmaker positions.but the draft is where it rally happens

I would not touch revis with a ten foot pole no way

Let the jets crash and burn baby

And if the player or players we like in round one are not there I have no problem trading back and acquire moe picks

It is time to load this roster with some young talent.this draft is super deep in 2nd round talent

Thats why no one goes to the games because we dont have a Revis, a Manning, or a Marino. No star players to go watch.

Just because you "have" money doesn't mean you should "waste" money. It's about business too! Look at the Jets for instance. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, had to laugh about the Jets. Anyway, they sold their souls over the last few years and now are a complete dumpster fire. I don't want Miami doing that. Here is what I would do with our current players, because I'm a computer guy so I KNOW how to run a football team:
-Try to restructure Dansby for 3 years and bring his ENORMOUS cap hit down a few million. He still has 3 years of solid football left. He's no Patrick Willis but he's very solid.
-Let Long walk. Too many injuries and no elite anymore.
-Cut Marshall and that ridiculous contract.
-Resign Starks ($7 mill), Bush ($4 mill), Hartline ($4 mill), and Smith ($5 mill and NO MORE). If he wants more than that, let him walk and draft a great CB first.
-Sign WR Jennings ($7 mill), TE Cook ($3 mill?), CB Cox ($6 mill). That's $36 million for those FAs, plus the few million Dansby will save.
DRAFT
1. Pass rusher
2. WR
2. CB
3. Guard
3. TE


Yeah Cam Wake wouldn't fit into that category. GREAT point Lincoln....

The way Ireland drafts its far better to trade our draft picks for established players. Lets trade for a Drew Brees or a Philip Rivers.

Tsunamis are no joke

Craig M, Wake is a nice player but people dont buy tickets to see Cam friggin Wake. lol

We shall succeed this year it will happen

Randy,

From a business standpoint the Jets have done way better then the Dolphins. Way more attendance and sellouts, more primetime games, plus 4 playoff games the last 4 years...

If you win people will come.thats the way it is dude

I THINK ALL OF YOU SHOULD YOUTUBE HARTLINE.

YOU MIGHT LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND THINK HE's ACTUALLY GOOD

Youtube shows just the HIGHLIGHTS and is not a fair evaluation of any player. They dont show the players bad plays.

Harmel,

It's New York. FAR better sports city. Would you like to debate that point? Far bigger population and far easier to fill the stadiums. Much better economy. Which part of this aren't you getting?

So from a business standpoint, you'd rather be the Jets, with all that money tied up in Sanchez, Holmes and Revis? Far enough bud....to each their own.

I mean even bad players look great on youtube.

Lincoln,

You're right. Paying to watch a CB like Revis play is so exciting...

If the team were to start winning again the fans would come out.

From the blog about Revis o the Dolphins and Armando wrote >> After all, the Dolphins need help at corner back because they traded away Vontae Davis, and Sean Smith is going to be a free agent, and Richard Marshall was a free agency bust in 2012 due to a back injury. <<

Am I missing something here? I mean did it truly matter that we traded away Vontae and Smith is a FA?

They BOTH Su ck ed and dont let the door hit them in the _ _ - as they walk out and get into thier Beemers and drive away.

The fins have always stunk it up at the corners. We can NOT stop anyone and all of a sudden if they get a luckey million to one good game we phrase them as being soooo gooddd.

Good is not enough. This entire originazation is based on bad.

Winers are GREAT and if we continue with the thinking that WOW... we almost won that one, hence we will never change and always hope for something.

Until we rid Ireland from this team we will continue to be what we are.

Craig,


No doubt NY has a much bigger population but they also have way more sports teams. 3 NBA, 3 NHL, 2 MLB, 2 NFL. My point was just that the Jets have been more profitable then the cheapskate Fins the last 4 years.

Losing high draft picks for whatever reason is a sorry state of affairs. Vontae Davis, maybe Sean Smith, Chad Henne, Pat White, maybe Jake Long, Philip Merling, probably D Thomas, Michael Egnew. Who is left?

Sebastion Vollmer for example is probably gonna cost more than you shoud pay for a RT but a lot less than Long but would the tandom of Martin and Vollmer get it done?

The LT market doen't look good. Clady will probably be franchised and with Andy Reid onboard now in KC, Brandon Albert is not likely going anywhere either.

Shula, agreed. And it doesnt look like Tannehill or Martin are definite keepers either.

Dolfan Rick,

Not sure about Albert. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs pick a LT first overall. I think the Chiefs are in the same boat as us. Are they going to break the bank for their LT? I believe teams like the Bears, Cards and Colts may drive up the price of LTs. We'll see.

Sebastion Vollmer for example is probably gonna cost more than you shoud pay for a RT but a lot less than Long but would the tandom of Martin and Vollmer get it done?

The LT market doen't look good. Clady will probably be franchised and with Andy Reid onboard now in KC, Brandon Albert is not likely going anywhere either.

Posted by: Dolfan Rick | January 26, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Somehow the first half of this post was wiped out. I was basically looking at other options if we can't get the Long deal done.

CB is perplexing as well. If we don't resign Sean Smith are we going to go into the season with Marshall, Patterson and a rookie as are possible starters?

Hey Fools,

Revis had an ACL injury. The chances he returns back to his old form are very. very slim. What AP did was a rare feat but he is a freak of nature.

Revis is damaged goods.

Craig M

Wake up. Why are you responding to Lincoln? Haven't you figured out he is PriceMaster, TheSMF, WordsBond and a bunch of other names always talking about load swallowing???

Some of you have the memory of a fly.


No doubt NY has a much bigger population but they also have way more sports teams. 3 NBA, 3 NHL, 2 MLB, 2 NFL. My point was just that the Jets have been more profitable then the cheapskate Fins the last 4 years.
Posted by: Harmel | January 26, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Technically: NY has 1 NFL team, the bills, the others: they play in NJ.

Now, if you're strictly going to NYC since Buffalo is no where near NYC and doesn't get nearly the same market, then NYC has: 2 NBA, 2 NHL, 2 MLB with another NHL team in NJ nearby and other 2 NFL teams 20min outside NYC

But this is just nitpicking

I havent totally given up on Tannehill yet although I was dissapointed that even Russel Wilson was far better.

Ill trade a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Revis in a heartbeat. Now...they'll ask for a 1st+ or even multiple 1sts. Nope I'll pass on that...

Russell Wilson plays on a real football team. Tannehill plays on a 3rd string practice squad. The whole team stinks and is going nowhere soon.

I'm not sure why Tannehill is getting all the grief. I'm feeling pretty optismistic about the qb position.

Its LT,CB,WR, and TE that I'm worried about and where are we going to get our TD's without Reggie Bush.

MiamiD20,

20 minutes away = same market

Russell Wilson had 91 less pass attempts than Ryan Tannehill
Wilson had 106 less yards than Tannehill
Wilson had 14 more TDs and 3 less picks

Obvious he had a much better season, question is: will defenses begin to cater to the way Wilson, Kaepernick, and RGIII play since they've never had to deal with this before? Or is the prototypical QB, like Tannehill, starting to fade.

Tannehill may be a bust, he may be ok, but I'd give it another 2 years before saying which QB is better

(Luck is already heads higher than all the aforementioned QBs)

MiamiD20,
20 minutes away = same market
Posted by: Harmel | January 26, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Yes, agreed

LINCOLN:

I AGFREE BUT THAT's MY POINT.

HE DOESN't HAVE ANY HIGHLIGHTS..

I AGREE BUT HE DOESN't HAVE ANY HIGHLIGHTS

I Don't Know About the Jets Being More Profitable?

They Just Built A Huge Stadium!! Which They Don't Even Own!!

They Are Way Over The Cap!!

Oh, and Did I Mention They Don't Own The Stadium!!

Doesn't Matter If You Have A Sellout Every Game!! If You Don't Own The Stadium!!

The Wayne H. Theory!!

But Thanks For Showing Your True Colors!! We All Know 1 of You 2 Was A Jets Fan!!

Oh, and The Law Of Averages!!

27+Million People In The NYC Area!!

Compared To 8+Million People In The Tri-County Area!!

So Just Off Of Corporate Tickets!! Met life Will Always be Half Full!!

Smith worth 8.6 mil?
Only in his mind, which more than occasionally seems to drift on Sundays.

There is no way I give Sean Smith that kind of money. I don't even really want him back. He is not a play maker. Jeff Irland has said the team needs play makers. They should have traded him along with Vonta Daivis. Go get one or twe CB / S in the Draft.

DASHI:

YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THE JETS DON't OWN THE STADIUM.

THEY WENT HALF WITH THE GIANTS.

T-Hill Sucks!!

Then What About Your Boy Matt Moore!!! (STFU!! U Ignoramus!!)

You Clowns Shouldn't Be Allowed To Speak!!

But I Get It!! You Clowns Want Instant Gratification Like A Crack Addict!!

Forget Real Life!! Forget Reality!!

Just Suck On The Devils D'ck!! And Talk Sh't!!

The stadium is empty because the fireland thing is real. Their are tons of people up here in Ohio who are boycotting their beloved Fins because of this dude.

It will take a ton of winning to change that.

Go Dolphins!! I think as always if they would just make five right decisions regarding players we are this close. My wife laughs at me when I say it. Been saying it since we started dating 14 years ago.

Go Dolphins! And if we can just make five right moves. HA.

And The Other Half With The City!!

The Jets Or The Giants Don't Own The Stadium!!

More Than $600 Mil Was Funded By The City!!

But No!!!!!

Your Right!!

A Lease MEANS YOU OWN!!

The Stadium Is Owned By The City!! And Leased To Giants And Jets!!

Who Gets The Money When They Have Concerts Or Other events?

What About The Concession Money!!

But Your Right!! The Jets And The Giants Own The Stadium!!

Sure Mr.Jet!!

From my earlier post: Bring back Bush ($4.5M) but only if coaches use him like NO did- no more between the tackles. Let Miller handle that after the OL is upgraded with OT (Jets RFA Austin Howard reserve LT 25 6'7" 325 $540K in 2012) and OG (Jets UFA Matt Slauson, G 26 Y/O 6'5" 315 $1.0M in 2012- or Steelers UFA Ramon Foster, G 27 Y/O 6'6" 325 $1.2M in 2012). Both Pitt & NY have cap troubles and Dolphins can easily sign these reserve guards & tackle for less than Long ($6M). Resign Nate Garner as backup ($1.5M) and Fasano ($3.5M). Sign Hartline ($5M). That's the offense @ $20.5M.

Sign Chris Clemons ($1.5M), Tyrone Culver (1.0M) & Starks ($6.5M). Use Odrick as DT in rotation. Cut all CBs except McCann and rework Patterson's contract ($3M). That's the defense @ $12M with additional savings of $1.6M from Patterson's contract and $5.6M from Marshall's. That $7.2M to add to the $5M left from signing Dolphin FAs. Get CB Keenan Lewis from Pitt ($3.5M). $9M or so remains for a big name WR (there's also $6M in reserve). All the bigger pieces are accounted for except a backup QB.

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