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The possibilities for a modernized Sun Life

These are the renderings of the new Sun Life Stadium, assuming state and local politicians agree with the Dolphins that an update is needed and are willing to pay some of the costs in the form of tax rebates or a bed tax increase:

Rendering 1

And this:

Rendering 2

And this:

Rendering 3 (Dolphins Side View)

So ... what do you think?

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Looks much better than it is now.

Like I said in the last blog, sign me up! Out of towner here perfectly willing to fork over some money every year to help with the renovation. It will be a minimal cost to tax payers if anything at all. They already have plans to find the money elsewhere so I'm not exactly sure what the problem is here besides jealousy of the rich possibly getting richer. A notion that goes against everything America is built on by the way. If you're against capitalism you're probably in the wrong country.

Now look at that freakin stadium and tell me you don't get excited about the possibilities!!!!!! Can you imagine the noise that would be generated from the seats being so close? There are so many benefits for the team and surrounding area I can't even begin to list them, it would take too long. Make it happen!!!!!!

Mark I reposted your comment about (I have to say it nicer apparently because they deleted my last post) "ladies of the night" , in this blog. It was the first post and is now gone. Apparently that kind of talk is okay for the middle pages of the blog but not in the first comment.

Seriously, you guys at the Herald are out of your minds. Do you see some of the things that get posted in this blog? All I typed was the other word for call girl and you guys delete it? HAVE YOU SEEN THE COMMENTS IN HERE?!

They deleted my post and then made oscar's the first post of the blog. I guess his was less offensive because he didn't use the "H" word. lmao

Okay, I'm off it. It's just funny to me and I'm really curious as to the rationale. I understand it wasn't a comment about the new stadium but since when does anyone talk about Armandos stories? It seems at times I'm one of the only people in here who actually take the time to read Mandos pieces and comment on them! I've even pointed it out in the past. Oh well, like I said, I'm done with it.

But that is a beautiful stadium. I would be a proud Dolphin fan if this is what we got. Any word on when the project would be completed if it is approved?

"I'm in NY State. I will happily give $10 a year to upgrade Miami's stadium. Seriously, I would sign something and they could automatically deduct it from my check book every year. I don't live there and would see no benefits except for my team finally playing in a real stadium and not an old baseball field with seats no where near the playing surface. A nice billowing sail like canopy would be awesome. State of the art and would benefit fans and players. Sign me up, I'll pay my share and then some."

Phins78,

Agreed. I like the idea of improving the stadium & moving the fans closer to the field. However the product on the field is not good enough. Not even close. I'd be willing to pay even more if we started getting some play makers & became more than a expansion team.

Maybe this team would be better off if it were a public company that was owned by the shareholders (like the Packers) than one ego-maniacal billionaire who knows as much about football as I do about marine biology.

Mando,

I think the 3rd picture looks the most life-like--still empty even after they put half a billion dollars into it.

While I think it should be a boon for the local economy by hosting Bowl games & SB's thus attracting more tourism which is great as a Dolphin fan--what I want & what we need are better players.

I think the tax money is going to come from the right place and Ross is nowhere near the crook Loria is. An upgrade to Sunlife means an upgrade for the Hurricanes as well. Lower the price to park and no increase to ticket prices for the next 2 years and I might be okay with this deal. I was against the Marlins deal from the start and do hope no one shows up and absolutely embarrasses the Marlins and the city of Miami for that shoddy deal. I do like this one better though.

I think it could attract more people coupled with a strong team.

Just sold my car last week (2008 Honda Accord, for $10,500), and was going to use the money for personal stuff, but after reading about this press conference I decided to donate the money to Ross and the Dolphins to fund for the stadium upgrades (it actually says on the check "For Stadium Upgrades). I mailed it just a half hour ago to Dolphins headquarters. That is how passionate I am about getting these new upgrades. I will continue to give money any way I can.

Wah, Wah! Cry me a f'ckin river. How much of Dee's 7-figure dollar salary will be used to fund this project?

didn't they spend $250 million on upgrades a few years ago? with that, plus this additional 400 million, they could have had close to enough for a brand-new stadium

in a few more years, they'll be saying there aren't enough luxury suites in the stadium

I think that looks tremendous and would give the Dolphins a first-rate home as well as improve the atmosphere greatly. Love the idea of fans getting rain protection while not giving up any heat advantage on the field.

This proposal is completely seperate from improving the team itself. Why on Earth do some of you act as if both things can't be done? That's ridiculous and one has nothing to do with the other. Grow up.

Stadium upgrades are always a good thing. Ross wants the stadium to be modern past his time of ownership.Says alot about what the Dolphins mean to him. And the only tax raised affects tourists only or as some here like to call them " out of town fans" .Sweet deal overall.

didn't they spend $250 million on upgrades a few years ago?

Posted by: rc | January 14, 2013 at 02:02 PM

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Nope. That was a PROPOSED upgrade that never happened.

Man, the amount of misinformation here is staggering.

I think it could attract more people coupled with a strong team.

Tannethrill,

Yeah well the new Cowboy stadium attracts more people BUT the team still sucks. Like Mike Singletary said, "I want winners!!!"

We have been accostumed to be on top of Players and Coaches, both Ours, and Theirs.

"Agreed. I like the idea of improving the stadium & moving the fans closer to the field. However the product on the field is not good enough."

I hear ya WHDP. Lets see what they can do in the off season. This is the first time in over a decade the team has had so many draft picks and money under the cap to spend. We have a chance to make a huge leap this year. This is it for Jeff Ireland, anything less than 9-7 and wild card game is a complete failure and he will be fired. Can't wait to see if he can prove us wrong and do the right thing for the team.

Also think of it this way. You're in Manhattan so have you heard about the whole thing that happened with the Islanders and how they're moving to Brooklyn?

Well in that story and for the last 6 years or so the team has had a horrible time attracting free agents. Yes they aren't a very good team but are in a rebuild like our phins. But whenever they try to lure a player they lose out to other teams that offer less money.

Of course part of it has to do with winning but a huge part is where the free agent wants to play. Do they want to play in a revamped state of the art facility or in one of the oldest places in the league where the fans might as well be in the parking lot.

No matter how big or small, that factors into a players decision. I'm just saying a player that looks at a new stadium, realizes the team has picks and cap money and is willing to improve the team any way they can, it all adds up.

Right now we're just a team with ammunition playing in a crappy stadium.

Whether or not the team being better attracts more fans is besides the point to me. Of course winning would attract more people. The fact of the matter is the team needs a new stadium and everyone knows it. It's nopt going to make the team automatically better, but it is going to help with our nonexistent home field advantage and it WILL be a better experience for paying customers. It WILL bring extra revenue to the area as it attracts more off season events and super bowls.

Saying they shouldn't get a new stadium because the team stinks is a very short sighted view to take imo.

"This proposal is completely seperate from improving the team itself. Why on Earth do some of you act as if both things can't be done? That's ridiculous and one has nothing to do with the other. Grow up."

Bill,

I don't think ANYONE is saying that both things can't get done. After watching the playoffs the last few weeks I'm just frustrated with the lack of talent on this roster. Yes I know we're rebuilding but our WR's, our TE's, & our CB's are all among the worst in the NFL.

You people are idiots.
Ross will borrower his share of the money not right a check for it. He will pass the cost of the renovation loan onto everyone that buys tickets. And so Stephen Ross will pay exactly zero of the cost himself.
Stephen Ross will still own the stadium and will claim 100% of the depreciation.
Depreciation + Revenue sharing = Big Profits

There is a reason that the Business School at Univ Mich is known as the Ross School of Business.

didn't they spend $250 million on upgrades a few years ago?

Posted by: rc | January 14, 2013 at 02:02 PM

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Nope. That was a PROPOSED upgrade that never happened.
Man, the amount of misinformation here is staggering.
Posted by: bill/pompano | January 14, 2013 at 02:05 PM

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misinformation huh?

so all the construction that was going on at the stadium in 2006 was imaginary?

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2006/07/03/story2.html?page=all

WHDP,
Why stop there?
The truth of the matter is that of the 35 players we have under contract only Pouncey and Wake have trade value.

Honestly, those pictures look like Joe Robbie would be a brand new stadium. Honestly, when it comes to Dolphin games I don't "mind" the stadium. When it comes to Hurricane games it does not have anywhere near the same feel to it as the OB did. I will never attend games in this stadium for the Canes. I am sorry I just can't do it.

We Have Draft Picks,

Point being the shade and getting in from rain but still being open air could get some people back in the seats.

Last I checked the Cowboys were playing for a division championship the last week of the season. I'd take that next season in a heartbeat regardless of record.

Have faith, things will start swinging back our way. Some things in life are just a matter of time.

And, broder, can Cubans be loud and disruptive!

Whether or not the team being better attracts more fans is besides the point to me. Of course winning would attract more people. The fact of the matter is the team needs a new stadium and everyone knows it. It's nopt going to make the team automatically better, but it is going to help with our nonexistent home field advantage and it WILL be a better experience for paying customers. It WILL bring extra revenue to the area as it attracts more off season events and super bowls.

Saying they shouldn't get a new stadium because the team stinks is a very short sighted view to take imo.

Phins78,

You're right. I'm just very frustrated watching teams like Seattle who have built their team the right way in three off seasons & three drafts with their GM & Pete Carroll. If you're a Seahwawk fan you have to be EXTREMELY happy with where that team is headed.

Plus I can't tell you how sick I am of watching NE be either very good or great EVERY season. This will be their 6th SB w/ Belichick & Brady. Enough already!!!

IMO, it's, a win-win situation all across the board. Its good for the city, the team, and the people of Miami. Just what the $400 millions will do in terms of job creation alone is like a huge "stimulus for the Miami area".

This just makes so much sense on so many levels. Going far beyond only football itself. It will be like an overall economic godsend and sure to be an economic shot in the arm.

We will help. We will feed the Tourists all these jineteras around here so they can bed them in those Hotel$.

"Last I checked the Cowboys were playing for a division championship the last week of the season. I'd take that next season in a heartbeat regardless of record.

Have faith, things will start swinging back our way. Some things in life are just a matter of time."

Tannethrill,

Not happening as long as Brady & Belichick are in NE. They're just so much better than we are in every SINGLE way. Yeah sure we can catch them on an off day & beat them BUT outside of the year that Brady got hurt they've been better than us for the last 11 seasons.

Will. The dolphin. Have. EYES!?!!?!????

Myself, Im beginning to enjoy the Pats become a "model of excellence" on the playing field. You dont have to be a fan of a team to be a fan of excellence.

The Pats are the blueprint for "ALL TEAMS" to follow that are looking to excell in the sport of professional football. Including our very own Dolphins.

Still, I miss those days of Shula in his prime when the Fins themselves were considered a "model excellence". However, no matter where that model of excellence appears, its not to be "envied". It's there to be enjoyed and duplicated.

I hope so Joe Mama, I hope so.

Here's one of the comments from a story on the stadium funding. Keep in mind this is from a person who lives near the stadium.

"The heck with that!

Why spend $400 million on a stadium located in shoddy Miami Gardens.

Let the place deteriorate and fall apart and in 40 years build a new stadium somewhere more interesting and safe."

Project would be complete in 2015 and they are asking tax payers to pay half. It would be such a small raise in your taxes but people are so stupid in this country they will believe they are funding the entire half (200 million) themselves.

And here is where it doesn't happen. Wait for it, wait for it, public outcry!!!! How dare he ask for money for something we all benefit from!

Nope, not going to happen in conservative FLA. The old bl;ue hairs will have their say and the project will not be approved. Tax payers will scream and yell that they will be living on the streets and won't pay a dime toward this project. They will vote no. The stadium will continue to deteriorate until Ross sells the team to someone who doesn't have enough money to refurbish it. That owner will then begin the process of finding a city to relocate to, possibly staying in Florida.

When they leave, tax payers will see an increase in their taxes. The increase will be more than if they had just helped update the old stadium. They will be punished in essence for the Dolphins moving because the team is no longer bringing in revenue to the area. Small business' will close up and that's all she wrote.

Happens all of the time and people never learn. Nice try Ross, no one cares about what the team does or brings to the community, only that you guys aren't good enough for them to vicariously live their lives through. Thanks for trying though.

This just in, tax payers in NY helped the NY Jets move into a new stadium. Must be because of their rich history of few division titles, one championship win and one Super Bowl.

..That stadium looks sweet. Modern, neccessary, and a total upgrade to the embarassment of a stadium the Phins call home now. If the stadium isn't renivated, the likely hood the next owner that buys the team will move it increases. It is the best thing for the franchise now, and in the future(If there is to be a future here in Miami)..

It is clear, and again no fault of the locals. That South Floridians do not care about supporting a team that is irrelevant. I can't blame them at all. We talk about it here a lot. There is just too many things the Miami area offers that beat going to a Dolphin game right now. This won't change automatically, as the team must improve. But unlike Baseball(I use this because the Marlins fans really showed out this year????) Unlike baseball. The 8 home games are events. The team has an easier opportunity to fill the seats in a more desireable setting then a baseball club. The less is more model is why the NFL is such a success. Having a place people want to go will sway some that may not go now, just because the stadium sucks so bad.

We Have Draft Picks,

All things must come to an end sooner or later. It'll be interesting if either try to succeed without one and other or if the two will exit the game together.

My guess is BB tries to extend his career beyond Brady and likely never reaches the heights he did with TB.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Brady retire out of nowhere, especially if he wins another SB. Wouldn't surprise me either to see him take a year off, struggle with Mallett and then return.

Does anyone notice how when a player leaves NE his career never improves but when a guy leaves the Dolphins they catch on & help other teams. I can actually name at least five players who were in the playoffs this year where that has happened.

But every single time NE cuts a player or trades a player away or NE decides not to re-sign a guy their career goes straight downhill. It's unbelievable....

They already have plans to find the money elsewhere so I'm not exactly sure what the problem is here besides jealousy of the rich possibly getting richer. A notion that goes against everything America is built on by the way. If you're against capitalism you're probably in the wrong country.

There are so many benefits for the team and surrounding area I can't even begin to list them,
Posted by: Phins78 | January 14, 2013 at 01:42 PM


This statement is completely illogical and false. First, they don't have plans to "find" the money elsewhere they are asking the govt to fork over $200 million. Whether it comes from hotel taxes, corporate taxes,sales tax, property tax or anywhere else, it is money that could be used in a hundred better ways. Instead of lining Ross's pockets it could be used to improve roads, schools, public health facilities, anything would be better.

Your second point is even more devoid of logic. This is so far from classic American "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" capitalism that they have managed to confuse you. Capitalism was not supposed to be rich men like Ross calling in $200 million favors to his local elected officials. Capitalism is finding out what the renovations are worth to the franchise, then borrowing the appropriate amount of money from investors, banks and the NFL. THESE KINDS OF INSIDER STADIUM DEALS FUNDED BY TAXPAYER MONEY DO NOT EVEN RESEMBLE CAPITALISM.

Your last point is wishful thinking and has been disproved by independent economic studies. The main beneficiaries of a new stadium (besides Ross and Goodell) will be a few large hotel chains that pay few state taxes and support very few jobs except housekeeping. A few local bars and restaurants will benefit but the impact will never equal the $200 million price tag. Local business would benefit much more if the tax money was used to spur local development. Or if it was used for tax cuts. Or if it was used as part of a comprehensive tourism campaign.

Any alternative way to use the money would be more beneficial to the community than giving $200 million to line Stephen Ross's pockets.

the new logo: http://www.google.com/imgres?start=98&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1440&bih=719&tbm=isch&tbnid=EbUWptmXMyHspM:&imgrefurl=http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D4%26t%3D62826&docid=vCwkpGLcGFHjBM&itg=1&imgurl=http://cdn.toonvectors.com/images/2/24390/toonvectors-24390-460.jpg&w=460&h=460&ei=4130UJr7DIOy9gTX3oGgDQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=219&sig=107580416512940106936&page=4&tbnh=142&tbnw=142&ndsp=35&ved=1t:429,r:28,s:100,i:88&tx=39&ty=81

start loving Ross

You are forgetting your Os and using your Is and Es. Renivated, it is renovated.

That is beautiful. The current setup has to change and good for Ross for realizing this. He can't really change the on field product directly (other than hire the player personnel people) but he can do something about this - directly.

Cadillac. Regarding Ross' ownership of the Dolphins. Go to Forbes and check out how much money Ross has invested in the Dolphins so far and how much he has actually made. He has spent more money on this team and it's facilities than any other owner in ALL OF SPORTS in North America.

Whether or not that has translated to wins is besides the point. I'm sick of people misguiding others with supposed facts that aren't even true. It is a fact that Ross has spent more money than any owner in the 4 big sports. He is trying to improve this team and the experience for the fans. Yes he may be misguided attimes but people need to get off of this Ross is cheap bulls&^t because it's not true.

Now if people want to say Ross is a dumb football owner, Ross shouldn't be involved in the football side, or anything like that I agree. He has put his foot in his mouth on more than one occasion.

But Stephen Ross is a Dolphins fan and has been one since he went to high school in Miami. He does seem to genuinely care about the team and the fans, he just needs to get better at being in the background and letting the football people do their jobs.

It is a Certainty that you have not read much. From there, your whole Life.

the difference in Sun Life is we will have the versailles
instead of steak house

CadillacDeVille, this isn't baseball where there's revenue sharing for team that don't spend. There's a hard cap in the NFL plus a floor on the cap. In 2014 teams must spend at least 95% of the cap. That stadium has been depreciated years back, usually you amortize depreciation for 10 years, that stadium was built in 1987 so there is no depreciation deduction. As for loans you have to pay back loan at some point don't you have a mortgage. And if he wants to raise prices to help him earn back some of the money for renovation he's allowed, wouldn't you, or are you stupid.

Here's six--Wade Smith, Wes Welker, Rob Ninkovich, Kevin Vickerson, Erik Walden, & Chris Crocker have all had more success after they left Miami. I can't name ONE player for NE where that has happened...

BTW--Wade Smith was named to the Pro-Bowl this year

In this hell of a season, give me one more reason to be with you.

You say you'll be better. I keep waiting forever. You know I do.

And if he wants to raise prices to help him earn back some of the money for renovation he's allowed, wouldn't you, or are you stupid.

Mike,

Of course he can raise prices to help him earn back the money. He's the owner so he can't do whatever he wants BUT if he doesn't put a winning product on the field he's going to have to hire about 5000 stippers to give lap dances at that beautifully renovated stadium to keep the fans coming back.

..Omaximus. Good post. But I disagree with the last part of your post.

Those bed taxes create a ton of revenue. Millions, in fact on a conservative guess I bet over 60 million per year alone(and that is a low estimate). That is a decent chunk of change for a 7 percent tax on each room sold. Up to 9 percent in some areas. This money is meant to be spent on development of tourism in the area. It isn't for hospitals, or schools(I'm not debating if this is right or wrong, where the money can go. Just what the tax is designed for)..The stadium expansion definitley falls in this category. Lose as it may be, The team has every right to apply for this money. The idea is that in theory, it is out of town money that funds these programs. (We know that locals do not stay at these hotels at close to the same rate as tourists)

I think that's a lovely stadium to go 7-9 again!

You might get by in Real Space if you haven't read much, but on Internet, they will rip you apart.

I hope the stadium gets it`s financing. I come to a game most years and spend a week in the area. I certainly won`t care about the extra room tax.
The only thing I would want more would be better public transit to the stadium.

"Whether it comes from hotel taxes, corporate taxes,sales tax, property tax or anywhere else, it is money that could be used in a hundred better ways."

I wish you had schooled me using more facts than your opinions but it is what it is.

I agree that it could be used in better ways but who's making the decision in which ways the money gets used? Do you honestly think your politicians are going to use the money in better ways? There is already money there to be used so what are they doing with it?

And if they decide to not build the stadium you are saying they should take the money from those places you listed (bed tax ,etc.) anyway? And then use it for what programs? Do you know how little 200 million goes when you're stretching it out over many projects? What, new orange jump suits for prisoners cleaning roads, maybe a new pick up stick? And what else, you say roads? What does a portion of that money really do for your roads? Put new yellow lines in the middle? The government charges an arm and a leg for these services. What else did you mention,,,,schools?

Please, FLA has the worst education system in the country. So your local officials who have had years to remedy this problem have done nothing. Actually it's getting worse. So where are all of the tax dollars going now instead of into the schools? It's obvious they aren't trying to improve it now but you're saying if they raise some taxes now is the time they will certainly use it to help your area?

It seems that you're putting a lot of faith in your politicians. I'm sorry but at this time in our society those are the people I have the smallest amount of faith in.

Having a state of the art facility has helped most every area they are ever put into. And the notion that the area will never recoup 200 million in 25 years seems illogical to me. All of the events that come in and have to pay tax, all of the businesses that will generate more money from serving customers of the stadium, and all of the charities that benefit from the Miami Dolphins organization, you're saying that money generated in 25 years won't equal 200 million?

the NFL should guarantee the South Florida Community at leat one Super Bowl in the next 5 years IFF it aproves this deal.

Just THINK about the view we'll have watching our team go 3-and-out 10-12 times a game? AMAZING!!!

As a comparison I will use the Rams situation. They proposed something that would take years to renovate but would end up costing tax payers 300 million in the end. They said, keep in mind this is St. Louis, that the annual revenue from a refurbished stadium would be anywhere from 13 million to 26 million a year.

Lets say the surrounding areas of Dade make somewhere in the middle of that, just call it 20 mil a year for 25 years just for arguments sake.

That would be a profit of 300 million to the surrounding area.

At the low end it is a profit of 25 million. That's in St. Louis where not too many people plan family vacations around sporting events. I have to think Dades profits would be much higher considering the area and attractions, including a beautiful new stadium. You're talking millions upon millions of more people, more events, and more money.

Tannethrill,
Mallett will have as much success as Cassell did when Brady took a year off.
Tom Brady is not a magician.
Tom Brady has 6 seconds to throw (so do Rogers, Brees, Ryan). That is why Tom Brady does not need Wallace or Bowe or Jennings.
When you have 6 seconds to throw a short, white #1 receiver is all that you need.
When Tanne has 6 seconds to throw every time he drops back than Tanne will be the greatest QB of all time instead of Brady.

Omaximus it was really lucky you stopped by today to chat and I'm glad because I learned a couple of things. I don't agree with all of it but I see your point on some and see where I was wrong about a little. It's great to see new posters. Drop back once and a while and keep that name so I know who you are.

Guys,

I keep reading over and over again, 'I'd rather the team spend the money on the product on the field than the stadium'. Guys, the two thoughts aren't connected. There's salary cap in place. You can't spend more than tha cap on the players on the field. Ross has said REPEATEDLY that the money will be there to spend on players when needed. Do guys not believe this or something? Spending money on the players on the field hasn't been this franchises problem. Not drafting well, making dumb trades and not spending wisely in FA have been. I'm confident we're well positioned to start making some noise on the field.

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