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Dolphins talk contract with Bush's representation

It's been an on-going drama (among fans) this offseason whether the Dolphins want running back Reggie Bush back or not. And part of the narrative is that the team has not shown Bush any love because they didn't offer the former Heisman Trophy winner a contract during the season or even in the weeks after the season.

Guess what?

In the last week the Dolphins and Bush's agent Joel Segal discussed a deal for Bush.

So there is interest by the Dolphins to retain Bush.

But how intense is that interest?

As I have reported and is apparently confirmed by Miami's approach, the Dolphins have a price set for Bush. The team wants Bush. But the Dolphins want Bush at their price.

What does that mean?

It means the Dolphins are comfortable with the idea of having Lamar Miller take the reins as the lead back. Bush, according to general manager Jeff Ireland, is seemingly more suited to a third-down spot or some role slotted as a receiver.

"You’d love to have his skill set on the football team," Ireland said. "I mean Reggie has a unique set of skill sets.  He’s been a receiver, he’s been a primary running back.  So I definitely see a role for that type of skill set."

How Bush would be used exactly is a coaching question. Whether he'll be available to be used is a personnel question and on that front the personnel department's price point for Bush doesn't seem to quite rise to the $5 million per year Bush has been averaging the past couple of seasons -- not when he's not certain of being the lead back.

Bush, meanwhile, obviously wants a raise.

So where does that leave everyone?

Well, the Dolphins are interested in Bush. To a degree. His representation is interested in getting Bush back to Miami -- but only if the price is right for them.

Seems they have more talking to do or will need the market to help set parameters for Bush's next deal.

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WNPs,

Come on man! Are you calling THAT an injury? That's stretching the truth a bit, no? guys have injuries like that every week. I bet he wouldn't have even missed a game.

playmakers, it's OBVIOUS. ireland was, is & shall always be the issue! between FA & the draft, you have to find more than 1-2 pieces a year which is Irelands track record!

In 5 years, I can count the good moves Ireland has made on 2 hands & a few of them was while Parcells was calling the shots. So, just like Ireland is immune to some fanboys for the bad picks of the tuna era, he is also immune from the good ones.

The phins are going NOWHERE with Ireland. Even the draft 2 years ago that everyone thought was a home room essentially involved ONE good pick(pouncey).

YIPPE! At the pace of success Ireland has set, Miami will be relevant again in 2045.

Not happening. Barring a complete collapse or sale of the team Ireland is the GM for life in Miami. Sounds crazy right??? That's b/c it is but true nonetheless.

Posted by: We Need Playmakers | February 22, 2013 at 09:51 AM
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Sure hope you're wrong WNP.

Yeah, they can't let Flacco walk. This is what happens, you can only surround a QB with a strong supporting cast for so long. Sooner or later - he has to become the focal point because you have to dedicate almost 20% of the cap to him. Now, it's up to Flacco to see if he can continue his evolution and not simply be part of the team - but the leader like the other top QBs, Mannings, Brady, ben, Brees ...

Team has no choice ... sink or swim...

If it was me, I'd only tag Flacco at the $14 mil mark and if someone wants to offer me two firsts for him then great....I start over.

Craig,

Really??? You FINALLY have a good starting QB (not elite) who is still young & you'd trade him for two first round picks to avoid paying him & start over??? That makes sense to you??? Two first round picks mean sh#t.

And yes, Bush is best served as our Percy harvin or Wes WElker - at a much cheaper price ... make it so ... even at $5-6 mill - that would be cheap compared to those other two.

I'm pretty new to the board, but wanted to offer my suggestions on FA and the 1st Rd and get people's take:

1 - Sign Wallace even at a bloated 11 mil if that's what it takes

2 - Let Hartline go and get Jennings for around 8 mil. Figure Hartline will be at least 6 mil. I'd MUCH rather have Wallace and Jennings at 19 mil than Wallace and Hartline at 17 mil.

3 - Let Bush walk. The money goes into the WRs and a pass rusher. You have to gamble on Miller. And RBs by nature can be found pretty much anywhere in the draft for cheap.

4 - Take TE Zach Ertz with the 12th pick. I don't care if it's too early for him. Just get him. The rookie wage scale is so much better now, it's worth it.

With this, you're looking at a completely new offense. I'm done worrying about the o-line. Get some weapons on offense and maybe defenses will pull back a bit on the rush.

Mark,

Ozzie's a smart guy. I believe he'll sign Flacco to the lower figure and dare teams to give up two firsts and let him rebuild his team. They'll take another run at a championship in 3-5 years. They've accomplished their goal and he's on record as saying 'we won't make the same mistakes we made after winning in 2000'. Translation: We're not going to overpay for our vets and we'll start the rebuild NOW.

I'm not saying just let Flacco walk away but I believe it would be a really dumb move to tie him for years at $100 mil+. I believe it's a contract they'd regret for a long time. We'll see how he plays it.

Matty,

Interesting approach. Not bad.

I still think you're going to have to do something with the OL. And we need a CB, a S and a pass rusher too. But your plan's OK.

The Fins are better Drafting a RB in the second round than spending $$$$ on Bush a la Stepfan Taylor or Giovani Bernard. I think Bernard is going to be a great RB in the NFL.

"Come on man! Are you calling THAT an injury? That's stretching the truth a bit, no? guys have injuries like that every week. I bet he wouldn't have even missed a game."

Craig,

From Ireland's press conference. Two guys that were injured were Marshall & Patterson. Who else is there???

On bringing back experienced corners and how it affects the Sean Smith negotiations) - “We have some guys, I don’t know where you see a leverage or not, we have a guy that was injured and two guys that were injured that ended up one didn’t finish the season and one we end of claiming, Dimitri (Patterson). So Sean started almost every single game he’s been since 2008. Having that continuity back with Sean is important but we’ll have to see how that thing goes.”

Go stare at your watch collection & do some more pilates you shallow cupcake.

Craig = CLUELESS

His quote was obviously transcribed very poorly to this blog. Lots of errors throughout the interview.

Craig, given how much Flacco makes right now, they can afford to franchise him this year and next year and still be paying him market value. However, if you think $20M a year is insane, it's not for him. I think we had this discussion, I think we both agreed that he's about the 6th or 7th best qb - or thereabouts?? Well, for 2013, ben is the 5th highest at just under $20M. The market bears that is how much he should be paid given his results - strange as it is - that't the market. So Ozzie can be as smart as a whip but when that's the price, that's the price.

Thanks for the feedback Craig M.

I agree we have those other holes and am banking on a either a decent corner in the 2nd or a FA. I just don't know enough to know who's available and at what cost. Best case scenario, in my view, would be a trade back in the 1st and still get the TE.

Regarding O-line, ugh, it just sucks that Jake Long's talent and health have regressed. I have to say let him walk at 10 mil plus and pray we can get a gem in the 2nd or 3rd.

As far as WR salaries discussed earlier, $14M for Jennings is beyond stupid. That would make him the 2nd highest paid WR. Miles Austin is 10th at about $8m for 2013 - I think that's a nice comparable to Jennings.

Wallace, $11m sounds about right - it would put him in the top 5 for next year probably around 4th. Not really the 4th best receiver but there will be a lot of suitors and he will be paid highly in the open market.

"Sure hope you're wrong WNP. "

Cocoa,

So do I but since he was kept to rebuild with a new HC & a rookie QB why would Ross all of a sudden change direction??? Ross had a chance to completely 'clean house' & start over from scratch BUT he didn't. Why??? No f#cking idea.

Mark,

I disagree. Ozzie's on of the best in the game and he didn't get that way just simply following the rules and doing what everyone else would do. My guess is he's already thinking of ways around this. I think he has options here and I think he's spent a lot of time weighing them all. I don't believe it's just as simple as handing Flaco $0 mil for the next 5-6 years. It's what the Saints did and I think it will also impede them from getting to where they need to get to.

So....

Bush = Progress stopper...

and...

Ireland does good inteviews...therfore he is a good GM....

It's to early for this sh@t.....

Keeping Irescum has cost Ross 200 million in lost revenue and value of the franchise.

....There has to be better reasoning as to why the team didn't use Bush in a more multi use role until the last 1/4 of the season. There has to be an explination that of course we will never hear, but something closer to the truth as to what happened.

Bush was kind of forced into the roll of everydown back 2 years ago. I think Thomas was drafted to take the brundt of the carries. Obviously injury in his rookie year kind of put a kink in that plan. And he is just a bit better then bad, a little less then average. We didn't know that then(I know a lot of you will say "I did". But in reality the team didn't) So Bush had to carry the mail

Last year is a bit more of a mystery. But, Bush was coming off a big year. We did have a rookie quarterback, and I'm sure the idea was commit to the run. A recipe that when we did, it resulted in wins. Anyway..Little dump offs to the running back seem fairly simple. In theory, and on Tv..But a lot of it is recognition from the quarterback. Do you think there is a reason we saw Bush catch more balls toward the end of the year?

Well what about screens?? Why didn't we run more screen plays? There has to be a reason for this right? Was it that we just stunk at it? all teams run screen plays, not all of them do it well. Perhaps we just didn't have the ability to give the playcaller confidence that a screen play would be the right call. When was the last time Miami was a good screen team? 2008? I can't remember.

Anyway back to Bush. I don't know what his demands are, or where the team is at as far as an offer. I wouldn't say his skill set is unique. in fact tons of backs catch balls out of the backfield(a lot more then Reggie has the last 2 years) and a lot of backs run for more yards. All of them are mismatches when used correctly, and I'm sure there are some that are hard workers. I just think we have been so average that even Bush's average is elevated to something we can't live without. I understand he was our best offensive player last year. But think about that for a second. We sucked hairy transvestite balls last year on offense. No playmaker(with the exception of Tanny) is untouchable here, or must be brought back.

I understand if the team wants to..I just don't think he is a must sign.

Kris,

I never said that. If you read what I said properly I said 'now he needs to make it happen'.

Don't misinterpret my comments.

As far as WR salaries discussed earlier, $14M for Jennings is beyond stupid. That would make him the 2nd highest paid WR. Miles Austin is 10th at about $8m for 2013 - I think that's a nice comparable to Jennings.

Wallace, $11m sounds about right - it would put him in the top 5 for next year probably around 4th. Not really the 4th best receiver but there will be a lot of suitors and he will be paid highly in the open market.

Mark,

I think your price tags make sense BUT every year in FA you see a number that shocks you. Last year was Vincent Jackson. Extremely good player (major talent) but the Bucs signed him when he was 29 & after he played 7 seasons with the Chargers. This is also a guy who sat out half a season & has had two DUI's. Would you have given him $26 Million guaranteed??? Too risky for my blood. How about that contract that Santonio Holmes got a couple of years ago??? Looks like a terrible deal now.

Craig, Flacco will get paid. in case you haven't noticed, there are not enough QBs to go around. So although they have the option to franchise him for the next two years, I personally think the smart thing is to pay him. haha, some people may think what you just said is arrogant. Ozzie is one of the best so he would do what you would do and not pay him??? Funny dude. Flacco is a consensus top 6 or 7 qb. And just like divorces, QBs have two things in common ... they are expensive and they are worth it.

I don't think the Ravens are too anxious to return to the days of Elvis Grbac anytime soon.

Hey look at me, I have a movado & a rolex.

Do I seem more important now?

Kris, not you (I know where you stand), but I wonder if some others on here would rather Ireland fail so they can be right than he succeeds and they have to begrudgingly admit they were wrong.

I could care less about Ireland, but I DO want the Dolphins to become a professional football team again. So if that means I have to hope for Ireland's success, than so be it.

I never said that. If you read what I said properly I said 'now he needs to make it happen'.

Don't misinterpret my comments.

Craig,

What's he been waiting for??? He's been GM for five seasons & this if his 6th off season. I guess his first three years he just sat around & waited for Parcells to make a decision. I don't buy that. For example--the trade for Marshall was 100% his. No way would Parcells trade for a 'diva' WR. Never. Not if his life depended on it.

I'm sorry but his previous drafts don't exactly instill confidence among the fan base.

Mark,

I see a scenario where the Ravens will franchise him this year and next. I don't believe they'll tie their hands to the tune of $100mil+. Just my feeling. We both agree he's probably the 6th or 7th best QB out there but he rose in the ranks based on his playoff run. I actually think guys like Luck will pass him in next to no time. I don't believe a year or two from now he'll by the 6th or 7th best QB.

Anyways, if he's THAT good, let's see how he does minus some of the defensive stalwarts, a couple of guys on the OL and minus Boldin. I think we'll have different feelings about Flacco a year from now.

And now start the Rumors, I heard it from Somebody, He heard it while going around. My take is to forget them and concentrate on the #s better.


haha, some people may think what you just said is arrogant.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | February 22, 2013 at 11:02 AM

he is arrogant so it makes sense that it would sound that way.

In my opinion; not resigning Hartline, getting both FA receivers Jennings $8M and Wallace $11M. Then not resigning Long, drafting an OT in the first round. Then going after a TE in FA. Then going defense with the draft for a safety, CB and pass rusher.

"Kris, not you (I know where you stand), but I wonder if some others on here would rather Ireland fail so they can be right than he succeeds and they have to begrudgingly admit they were wrong.

I could care less about Ireland, but I DO want the Dolphins to become a professional football team again. So if that means I have to hope for Ireland's success, than so be it."

DC,

Any fan that doesn't want Ireland or Philbin or Tannehill or anyone associated with this franchise for that matter to succeed is either a complete imbecile &/or someone who is mentally ill.

DC @11:04am,

That's EXACTLY right. There's guys on here who want to see Ireland fail, rather than the Dolphins win. Sad but true.

WNPs,

Not going to debate you on Ireland. I'm clear how you and others feel about him. I've stated my case. I'm not here to change your mind.

In my opinion; not resigning Hartline, getting both FA receivers Jennings $8M and Wallace $11M. Then not resigning Long, drafting an OT in the first round. Then going after a TE in FA. Then going defense with the draft for a safety, CB and pass rusher.

Promichael,

Do you think that's REALLY going to happen??? It's Jeff Ireland.

sucked hairy transvestite balls ... hahaa. strong statement .. and accurate.

The Bush misuse I just never misunderstood. There was a major Qb aid there that they just didn't use until very late.

WNP, true re: jackson. I agree Wallace will be overpaid. Frankly I think $11M is already overpaying - to put it into context - that would give him more than Larry Fitz. Wouldn't be surprised if the number goes north of $11m either. And that Santonio contract $12.5M for 2013. That's just Tannebaum not caring about the jets future. he was fired for good reason. Awful cap manager.

WNPs @11:11am,

Sounds like you just described half the guys who post here.

"That's EXACTLY right. There's guys on here who want to see Ireland fail, rather than the Dolphins win. Sad but true.

WNPs,

Not going to debate you on Ireland. I'm clear how you and others feel about him. I've stated my case. I'm not here to change your mind."

Craig,

I don't WANT him to fail. I just have ZERO confidence in his decision making.

Promichael,

I'm on board with that approach, but I'm not sure about a TE in FA. Maybe a trade for Finley? Unless he's released of course. But ultimately, I'd love to find that next great TE in the draft. Young, hungry player to grow with the team.

...Where do most of you see this offense next year? It is impossible to say now because we don't know what our personel will be. But gut feeling.

Here is mine..Reguardless of whether we sign a high profile free agent reciever or not(Btw just because Jennings is reportedly asking for 14 million doesn't mean he is going to get it).. I think this team is going to be commited to.......Running the football. Yup. Especially early in the year. This is just my gut here. But go look at the games where we won. Look at our run totals. (This is the same story for this team going bak 4 years, when we run the ball well..We win) Why should we shy away from this? Why can't this be our identity?

Don't confuse this for being Vanilla. You can have a dynamic offense and still be commited to the run. Also this idea that you have to be a pass first offense if you are a WCO is a myth. Total myth. Sure the "rules" of the WO read set up the run by passing the ball. but much like improve jazz. The WCO has taken off in a endless directions. The interpretation of this offense has evolved, and offshoots like the spread, and pistol born..Both have basic WCO rules as the basis for both offenses. Also..2 of the top rushing teams in the history of this league were WCO teams. Well they weren't "true" WCO teams? Whatever that means. Did we look like a WCO team last year? The 80's are long gone. Offensive football has no rules.

Anyway..Running the ball and Tannehill manages the games until he grows into a role where he can take games over. If he is asked to immedietly be the focus of this offense. I think it may turn into another very long season.

Craig, franchising a QB two years in a row may make financial sense but look what happened in NO when they tried to franchise Brees - he went apeshite. Qbs don't liek to be franchised. Doing it two years in a row may tear that team apart. Flacco may or may not be the 6th or 7th best in a couple of years, who knows? Rivers was firmly entrenched there at one point until he had too many kids and lost focus (joking) - actually it looks more like arm issues ...

Don't forget that some of the qbs ahead of Flacco will also regress. In two years Brees, Peyton, brady will all start falling back. So it's just as likely as not that Flacco holds his current ranking.

"Sounds like you just described half the guys who post here."

LOL@Craig. Not half. Some good posters on here. It's the people using different names & the homosexual troller that tend to water things down.

Craig M....

here is the DISCONNECT between you and reality....

NOBODY wants Ireland to fail...no REAL FAN anyway....

The problem is....HE HAS BEEN FAILING....going on 4 straight years now...


thus the ire and critisim he RIGHTLY gets from TRUE fans....

..@ 11:17..Improve jazz??? Improv.

...@11:03. I agree. I wish I could play Frogger on mine like the watch you have.

I'll have to wait and see how it all plays out, but Jeff Ireland is now operating like a guy who just had his job saved by Tannehill for a few years.

Kris,

I don't believe that's the case at all. I believe the problem with the fanbase is the last 20 years. Ireland just happens to be the guy in the pilot's seat right now.

And who's 'reality'? You mean 'perceived' reality, right?

"Craig, franchising a QB two years in a row may make financial sense but look what happened in NO when they tried to franchise Brees - he went apeshite. Qbs don't liek to be franchised. Doing it two years in a row may tear that team apart. Flacco may or may not be the 6th or 7th best in a couple of years, who knows? Rivers was firmly entrenched there at one point until he had too many kids and lost focus (joking) - actually it looks more like arm issues ...

Don't forget that some of the qbs ahead of Flacco will also regress. In two years Brees, Peyton, brady will all start falling back. So it's just as likely as not that Flacco holds his current ranking."

Mark,

Flacco has the Ravens by the b@lls & he knows it. Contrary to what Craig thinks they would never even consider trading him for two first round picks. Not even three. If Tannehill can become as good as Flacco I'll be pretty damn pleased. Tannehill doesn't need to be great like Andrew Luck will be--he just needs to be good.

"percieved" reality is an excellent use....yes...that is what I mean....

Ireland had a clean slate...he had the backing of "then" legend...and current HOFer Parcells...he has an owner that will BUY any player Ireland deems necessary...

and we still find ourselves in the midst of 4 years of losing...

IMO...Ireland doesn't pay for the sins of the father....he just can't put a winning product on the feild...

Mark,

We'll disagree on this point. Flacco got hot at the right time....good for him. He is as you've said, likely the 6th or 7th best QB in the league, as a result of his hot streak. Can't take away from what he did. But there's nothing that says the Ravens HAVE to pay him what he's entitled to on a long-term deal. I believe if they do, he'll never see the end of that contract. If Ozzie does that, I'll be surprised. We can talk about this all day long, but I'm not a fan of that approach. To me he's not even in the same breath as Brady, Rodgers and Manning. That's just my opinion.

Kris,

We're about to find that out. It's put up or shut up time. BIG offseason for the guy. I like his confidence and he has a plan. Now he has to execute it. If he can't get it done and improve the onfield product (which he talked about in the interview), he'll be out of a job.

Ireland = Progress Reverser

In my opinion; not resigning Hartline, getting both FA receivers Jennings $8M and Wallace $11M. Then not resigning Long, drafting an OT in the first round. Then going after a TE in FA. Then going defense with the draft for a safety, CB and pass rusher.
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Not signing Long, Smith, Bush or Hartline allows this to happen and then being able to pick up in the third round another receiver.

I cant figure out why no one wants Boldin from the Ravens. The man catches everything. Hartline, Boldin and Bess would probably fix or WR at a cheaper cost.

I would go one of the Alabama linemen in the first.

And If Barkley is sitting their in the second round like they are saying on NFL network I would grab him.

I would also throw some money at Reed and Freeney from INdy. You put Freeney on the other side of wake and Reed over the top of any CB combination and you are going to be better and this could probably be done cheaper also than signing Smith.

Let Starks walk and hope that Odrick can sit on the other side of Feeney. If the Odrick thing does not work out you then fix it next draft. You might also be able to find somone in the fourth round for comp.

You give Long, Smith, Starks, and Bush their money then you are saying last years team was much improved and it wasn't. You are also saying we do not need a ton of new blood and we do in the worst way.

Smith and Starks for Reed and Freeney. upgrade
Longs and Bushes for Hartline and Boldin upgrade
You Hopefully get WArmack at 12 and have a very young tough line for the next five years.

IF you can get Barkley in the second the football gods are truely on our side.

You then only have to worry about TE/CB/RB. They say this years WR are not strong so we draft WR high next year and pick up another cast off after cuts.

Here is a name from the past that would come cheap. Ted Ginn. Use his speed to stretch the field. Mix him in with Boldin, Hartline and Bess and you can forgive the fact that he runs to the sideline. Crap he would be good just for kickoffs.

Flacco and Ryan are clearly the best young QB's in the NFL. I think both will be in the HOF.

promichael,

Doesn't sound like a bad plan. But the report out there this morning is that Jennings wants $14 a year. Not sure if there's any basis to that or not but to me that would be insane. What's your backup plan if that happens to be true?

We're about to find that out. It's put up or shut up time. BIG offseason for the guy. I like his confidence and he has a plan. Now he has to execute it. If he can't get it done and improve the onfield product (which he talked about in the interview), he'll be out of a job.

Craig,

You'd think that right??? I'm not so sure. I don't think he's going anywhere unless there's a complete collapse.

What is the current condition of Jonas Gray?

He was a beast his senior year at Notre Dame. Then his knee got crushed.

Signed as an undrafted free agent last year by Ireland, which I saw as a low cost gamble that made sense.

If he and Lamar Miller are ready to play then I would not pay Bush more than $3m per year to be a 3rd down back.

I agree WNP....

and that a collpase will most likely include a coaching change....and I don't want that....

Stephen Ross, the worst owner in sports?

"I cant figure out why no one wants Boldin from the Ravens. The man catches everything. Hartline, Boldin and Bess would probably fix or WR at a cheaper cost."

Shula71,

Boldin is still under contract & is not going anywhere. The Ravens are not a dumb team.

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