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Fans and media sometimes react faster than FOs

The most asked questions I'm getting on twitter lately are 1. When will the Dolphins new logo be announced and 2. Will the Dolphins be interested in trading for Percy Harvin?

Well, we know the answer to one of those questions.

The Dolphins have said they will unveil their new logo in April.

As to the second? I don't know. And the Dolphins probably don't know. And that is the point of this post.

The truth is that my years of covering the Dolphins and NFL have taught me that fans and media often move a whole lot faster on things than many NFL teams. And some NFL teams move even slower than others to the pace of, well, a snail.

So let's just say the Dolphins don't move super fast.

Only recently I shared with you the fact that while one side of the organization had already approved letting the stadium modernization plan go to a county referendum, there had been no discussion internally with the football side about what it might do to help matters by being more aggressive in free agency or trades. I don't know if that conversation has since happened. I don't know if it will happen. But I know that an organization that reacts quickly to things would have had the talk as part of the decision to take the issue to voters.

Let me share something else.

Last year, as Mike Wallace was holding out in Pittsburgh and the discussion here, on fan boards, on talk radio and on twitter was about whether the Steelers would possibly trade Wallace, I asked one Dolphins personnel official about the possibility.

"I don't know that he's even available," he told me.

It wasn't ignorance. It was just that this person expects to find out something from the source before not only acting but even thinking about the topic. Fans have the luxury of speculating, of dreaming out loud even.

Many personnel guys don't afford themselves that luxury. They act on facts. Thus they wait for those facts to become reality before considering them.

Another example?

Last year the Dolphins were among the first teams to work out Braylon Edwards. The team liked him. The team considered signing him. But as that consideration was happening, the Seattle Seahawks brought the guy in and signed him.

Now, the thoughtful approach ultimately worked for the Dolphins. Edwards was not a big factor for anyone in 2012. But the point I'm making is the Dolphins didn't really move fast on the issue.

They are systematic, it seems to me.

I was told (true or not) that I actually wrote about the Vontae Davis trade possibility to Indianapolis before the Dolphins started giving it strong consideration and the thing heated up. That's one reason, I was told, the possibility of such a deal was initially denied by the team. Apparently the media and fans were speculating on the idea before it became a serious negotiation.

It's not just the Dolphins and it's not just this organizational set of people. Dave Wannstedt's organization was slow. Don Shula's was extremely fast and aggressive.

So there are different reaction times for different front offices.

And that brings me to Harvin. I don't know this for a fact, but I would not be surprised if he hasn't been discussed yet by the Dolphins based on their recent history. If and when he actually is put on the trade market, I suppose the club will consider its options.

But with the combine, their own player signings and unrestricted free agency looming, I'm not betting that Miami personnel people are sitting around mulling Percy Harvin trade scenarios these days. That's not a bad thing. Indeed, if that's what the front office is doing, then something is amiss.

No, unless I miss my guess, there will be a systematic, calculated, slow approach to the idea of a Percy Harvin trade. And that scrutiny will come only if the player in truth is made available, which would be weeks or even months after the first mention of the possibility by fans and media.

So slow down.

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Something happened to Armando on his time-line. He only wants to talk Football on it now.

Oscar....does one feed a monkey?.....can't it simply eat what he eats...? Just wondering...they seem pretty resourceful creatures.....I mean higher order of primates , etc.

Seems to me too much trouble if you have to be feeding it three times a day....

You my excuse my brief absences but I'm preparing some American modified Bolognese sauce for my fettuchini.

Buster,

I think its 10 picks because I think we have two 7th rd'ers.

The Dolphin FO is always 3 years late.

Flipper, Are you ever going to over take Odin-Douche's record of 33 Hours?
Hey Odin, Tell us what kind of "HOTTIE" is headed over to your trailer.

Osar ...a modified Bolognese....what is that ? Burger king crumbles mixed with a jar of Ragu? :-)

YG, we have 9 picks right now. 2 7th rounders, but we traded away a 6th to the 49ers fromt his year to get Miller. We might get a compensatory pick though and end up with 10 in the end though.

okay..thanks YG...so at least 9 picks...and 2 in the 2nd round also , right?

Waiting to add the butter(not margarine)(don't be cheap) then the sofritto. No whole Italian plum tomatoes here, Buster,(no time) combination of tomato paste, H2O, and Gia Russa sauce.

ok Oscar...but where's the beef? Gia Russa has beef flavored sauce?

I know they have a pretty hearty Putanesca....

I do my own Putanesca, you know....rather good if i must self-critique

ok so YG....that would be four picks in the first 48....does that sound right?

no....not right Arcamedes.....4 in the first 76....

So we should do pretty well with that ratio......a 1 in 19 average

Ross should hire Kiper to do the Dolphin draft.

Actually, today , I'm using parts beef, part pork ground beef.

Parts ground

okay..my Aunt used to do a 2 to 1 ratio for her meatbalss.....2 parts ground beef...1 part ground pork.....they were delish....she used to drop them in the sauce with a tablespoon....no frying at all

It will be goood...

she just added egg, fresh ground parsley...and some Italian flavored breadcrumbs.....salt and pepper....that was it

....of course it cooked in the sauce for like an hour and a half...but time was a luxury for her...today..everything is a 15 to 30 minute deal....

I don't pretend to compete with Natural Chefs. I'm obedient, I follow instructions, to a tee.

Scotty...Kiper..really...you think Ross is that inventive....?

That makes sense Oscar....but adventure is the spice of life, dude

You def wouldn't be a candidate for my Turkey Kilbasa gumbo then..lolololol

But when you follow a recipe to a tee(including size and depth of pans, Temp, other cooking variables) and the product does not come out good. you can conclude that whomever came up with that recipe is FOS and never to be read again.

LOLOLOLO...true..true..

Well...bon apertit....I'm out....laters

I'll wager anyone here that of Hartline's resigned it will take at least $7 million. Eve if its $6,999,999 and 99 cents. LOL...

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | February 13, 2013 at 08:21 PM
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I'll take that bet and you might as well pay up now.

Hartline's Agent opened negotiations by asking for 6 million. So, we can rest assured Ireland won't offer him any more than that(Hartlines Agent even had a 5 million dollar proposal that was more incentive laden).

You were **ALMOST** right about one thing. A 6 million dollar offer was on the table and turned down. Jeffy turned it down though, not Hartline or his agent.

Aren't you the guy that always rides people for not doing their research? (Barry Jackson, among others have reported the offer).

I think Hartline will get a "Fair Deal(for both parties)" right around 5 million with incentives.

There are some Master Chefs, that have never worked a day in their lives in any Restaurant or Bistro. They dedicate themselves exclusively to Teaching cooking, and they reproduse the same recipe thousands of times until they think it's perfect for most People, then they publish it. Those are the ones to follow if you pretend to know anything about cooking.

We try to follow the example of the Best of the very Best here, in anything.

YG went away. He hates Brightness.

There are Dark aspects to a Soul, same as Bright ones. Both valid. We wouldn't be here if it weren't for Both.

oscar,

Im back but Im going out again. Going to shoot a little pool and have a couple long islands. LOL...

You stand up over the ball now, you hear, YG , stand up over the ball.

Many are Lost because they ask Why, but the question should be When.

There are players with as good or better numbers than Harvin. One that comes to mind is Davone Bess. nuff said

One must learn to see Both sides. The Darkness hides the Light no differently than the Light hides the Darkness.

oscar, they found horse DNA (meat)in that Bolognese you are eating. Really. There is an article on the SS.

...Oscar.WTF are you talking about?? If you know how to cook, you develop your own style. Recipes are only guidelines. never the constant. That is what is drilled into every one of my cooks day one. Once you understand technique. You never need the assistance of a recipe to produce a dish again. The greatest cookbook ever published by Augustine Escoffier is a technique book..If you do not understand the technique, you will not understand the dish..

Oh, you mean the Darkness hides the Light now. Sure, they had the Advantage, at that Moment.

We propose a Brighter shade of Pale now. How about it.

Just read a report its believed Hartline is seeking a comtract similar to similar to the Laurent Robinson 5 yr $32.5 million contract. That's comes to slightly over $6.1 million a year if the report is correct.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | February 13, 2013 at 08:57 PM

YG is on top of the Game.

Posted by: oscar canosa | February 13, 2013 at 08:58 PM
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EUREKA!!!!

Barry Jackson reported this over two weeks ago - ROTFLMAO!

I copy/pasted excerpts here for the past two weeks as well - lol.

Anyways, now that you "broke" the story(lol), that's his **ASKING** price. You can bet that Jeffy will re-sign for slightly less. At least thats my best guess ;)

Yo Jeffy, is your momma a hooka?

Win 1st! Update logo later!!!!

Hartline not worth 6 million a year! But then IMO, no one is!

DOLPHINS DO NOT NEED ALWAYS GOT A HEADACHE OR ALWAYS A HEADACHE HARVIN! THE TEAM NEEDS TO MOVE FAST AND SIGN MIKE WALLACE. THE ONLY TWO TEAMS THAT CAN COMPETE WITH THE DOLPHINS CAP WISE HAPPEN TO BE CLEVELAND AND CINCY. THE COMPETITION WILL BE BOTH BUT GIVE HIM THE "PEYTON MANNING" TREATMENT AND TOP ANY OF THE OTHER OFFERS AND I THINK DOLPHINS GET HIM, BUT ONLY IF THE TEAM MOVE FAST AND SIGN HIM. HE'S 26 YEARS OLD AND CAN GIVE TANNEHILL TWO 1000 YARD RECEIVERS TO THROW TO. FORGET HARVIN!! RESIGN REGGIE BUSH AFTER SEEING WHAT OTHERS ARE ACTUALLY OFFERING! WHY? BECAUSE MILLER ISN'T READY YET AND THOMAS STAYS HURT. LIKE OR NOT WE NEED BUSH AND HE HAS PRODUCED HERE, TEAM HIM UP WITH WALLACE,HARTLINE AND GOOD TE WITH SPEED AND WATCH HIM RUSH FOR 1200 YARDS. DON'T LOSE TALENT ADD TALENT. TWO GOOD CORNERS AND A PASS RUSHER AND THIS TEAM WINS 10 GAMES PLUS NEXT YEAR!!!

Stop drunk posting TK! Reggie Bush averages 60 yds a game and 30-40 usually come on one play. He can't run between the tackles and disappears in the red zone. All I ever hear is he is a pass catching threat! I only remember him dropping passes until he he went nuts against Buffalo the 2nd time. Wallace is overhyped. Doesn't have consistent hands and runs limited route trees. Big Ben gets him open a lot because he is able to shrug off tackles long enough for him to get open.

Egnew with T.Y. Hilton still not drafted. Every year it's the same thing. The teams that know how to draft find players & the teams that don't continue to struggle.

Posted by: We Need Playmakers | February 13, 2013 at 01:10 PM

OMG I thought I was the only one yelling for this, But happy he get to play with a good/great QB. Miami is a fool of an organization. All I have now are the Ravens but, with Ray and maybe ed leaving I feel hollow. Maybe Washington and Denver always liked them......(damn dolphins)

Egnew with T.Y. Hilton still not drafted. Every year it's the same thing. The teams that know how to draft find players & the teams that don't continue to struggle.
Posted by: We Need Playmakers | February 13, 2013 at 01:10 PM

I'm calling BS on this post, WNPs. The team that just went to the Super Bowl, the Niners, drafted a WR in the first round that had EXACTLY the same number of catches as Egnew this year....ZERO. Do they know how to draft?

If we were to STOP throwing draft picks aroudn like their candy in dumb trades and ACTUALLY spent some time researching and not having to hit on EVERY pick we'd be far better off. Belichick has been missing on draft picks for years. Doesn't seem to stop him from going to the playoffs every year.

Percy has to many headaches. Bush is the better ball player

NO, This is a home grow kid with a ton of up side and had the speed stretch a defense. He also been playing football since he was 4 unlike Gates. That was a poor miss not calling the whole draft bad but you shouldn't miss on players that are a car drive away. Played with TY Hilton was dominate, anyone he lined up against anyone. One thing I look for in a player is dominance, effort and character. Playing with TY I can tell you he had all three...(only thing you can question is the competition but when he lined up against Florida, Alabama, Kansas, Louisville, Iowa, and any-other team he was the one they tried to stop or get to the QB so they can get him the ball (hardly worked).

Posted by: Craig M | February 14, 2013 at 09:55 AM

HEY WOODSHED I AGREE MAN I DO NEED TO STOP DRINKING AND POSTING BUT WE NEED WALLACE SPEED. YES I KNOW HE RUNS LIMITED ROUTES BUT THOSE ROUTES HAS MADE HIM A 1000 YD RECEIVER IN AT LEAST 3 OF THE LAST 4 YEARS AND HE IS 26 YEARS OLD. HE KNOWS NFL CORNERS AND IS NOT A "TED GINN" TYPE WITH JUST SPEED AND NO ABILITY. THE GUY HAS PLAYED AND SCORED IN THE PLAYOFFS. WITH ROOKIE RECEIVERS THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THEY WILL BECOME GOOD PRO PLAYERS. THE ONLY THING IN A ROOKIE'S FAVOR IS YOUTH. THE DOLPHINS NEED A PROVEN SPEED GUY. ALSO WALLACE DOES NOT SPEND A LOT OF TIME HURT LIKE JENNINGS. HE BRINGS THAT HOME RUN ELEMENT TO THE TEAM THAT THE DOLPHINS LACK. GET HIM AND HARTLINE. AS FAR AS BUSH GOES WHO DO YOU REPLACE HIM WITH? MILLER ? MAYBE BUT NOT YET! THOMAS? HELL NO!! WE BOTH KNOW HE MAY NOT MAKE IT PASS OTA'S WITHOUT GETTING HURT! FOR THE RIGHT PRICE WE NEED BOTH BUSH AND LONG. AGAIN WE NEED TO ADD TALENT AND KEEP THE BEST TALENT WE ALREADY HAVE. TANNEHILL WILL NOT BE A ROOKIE NEXT YEAR AND HE NEEDS WEAPONS TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP. A GOOD PROVEN RUNNER(BUSH) A RELIABLE RECEIVER(HARTLINE) AND A DEEP THREAT(WALLACE) NOW YOUR PIECES ARE IN PLACE OFFENSIVELY TO ADD AND GET EVEN BETTER. OKAY NOW IT'S TIME FOR A DRINK !!!

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