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Former GM Polian agrees with fake GM Salguero (sometimes)

OK, so I'm not really an NFL general manager and have never even played one on TV. I have seen my share of Dolphins general manager moves that I agreed with and disagreed with and, I must say, I've been right about as often as they have.

(Actually more so, but don't want to brag. Fact is if I'd been Miami's GM Drew Brees would have been the QB and not Daunte Culpepper, Anquan Boldin would have been on the team and not Brandon Marshall, Hakeem Nicks would have been on the team and not Vontae Davis, Vince Wilfork would have been on the team and not Vernon Carey, Jimmy Graham would be on the team instead of John Jerry, and Chad Henne would have been replaced in 2011 instead of 2012 because I knew after 2010 he didn't have it. I also never would have cut Shelton Quarles, never would have signed Jake Grove and never would have traded up for Daniel Thomas because I thought DeMarco Murray was better. I also would have traded away two first-round picks and a second for Robert Griffin III instead of drafting Ryan Tannehill. Oh, I've also had misses. I would have picked Brady Quinn instead of Ted Ginn Jr. and I would have traded for Kyle Orton.)

Having said all that, I don't really know anything because I only go by what I see with my own eyes on TV or in practice. I do not study tape because, well, nobody's ever asked me to.

But I admit it felt good recently when I read former six-time NFL executive of the year Bill Polian, the architect of Super Bowl teams in Buffalo, Carolina and Indianapolis, run down his grades for some members of the coming free agent class on ESPN.com.

Polian apparently prepares for free agency by categorizing UFAs by grade. A is for starting caliber players worthy of big starter money. B is for guys he'd sign but only if the contract makes sense for the team. C is for players he'd sign for low salary and short terms with low bonuses.

And immediately apprentice Salguero would have a philosophical disagreement with Master GM Polian. Apprentice GM Salguero believes free agency is dangerous enough without roaming into the weeds signing C players. I don't give bonuses to C players. Veterans with a couple of years left in the tank can sign for minimum in Miami because there are no state taxes and the weather is great (after September) and the coaching staff is professional and and we have a chance to make the playoffs because the Jets and Bills stink and that should be four wins right there.

Otherwise, I'm putting young guys on the team and asking the coaches to do their jobs, which is to develop them.

Apprentice GM Salguero uses free agency to make bounding leaps that help the team significantly, tangibly. Apprentice GM Salguero uses free agency sparingly but sparklingly. In other words, I'm not going to use the resource unless the resource sets off a nuclear blast in my division or fills a great need with a star player that the draft will not immediately provide.

Apprentice GM Salguero also believes free agency is for keeping your own best players because you know them better than anyone but also for reshuffling the deck so to speak so I do not sign my own mediocre players just because I'm comfortable with them. Free agency is for getting signficantly better, not keeping the status quo.

I believe when you re-sign one of your own mediocre guys, you are losing value because he is likely to continue performing at the same mediocre level he has been except he's now doing it for a higher salary. Nope, I don't play that with guys that are merely mediocre because I don't want to pay more for continuing to be 7-9. I'll pay more for better player. But paying more for the same caliber of play is losing ground. Am I making myself understood?

(GM Salguero could've been a writer).

To wit:

Master GM Polian graded several players we all have an interest in discussing. I'm going to tell you what he said and remind you how I feel about those players. Then you'll see where we agree and disagree.

The master GM grades Pittsburgh receiver Mike Wallace with an A.

"Wallace is a good route runner, has good instincts and typically has good hands, but he's small and you worry about injury," Polian said. "Inconsistency in the past also is a concern. Pittsburgh didn't reach a deal with him, which will make some teams wary, but this league is always looking for WRs with speed who can take the top off a defense -- and he can do that." Wallcegoes

The apprentice GM agrees with the Mike Wallace grade. He is an A. Indeed, I see him as an A-plus. If you've spent five seconds on this blog, you know this is the one free agent I would sign were I running the Dolphins.

Am I worried about Wallace's size? No, as he doesn't miss many games. Am I worried that Pittsburgh not signing him is a red flag? No, I'm celebrating their inability to sign an excellent playmaker. Look, I need a player that can take the top off the defense, give my offense big-play ability, and add speed to the roster. Wallace does those things. He'd be my No. 1 target in free agency. Period.

Next, master GM Polian tackles Jake Long and gives him an A grade.

"His reputation will make him an A player," Polian writes, "but he is an injury and age concern to me.  He is turning only 28 to start next season, but he already has played 74 games, making a long-term deal a risk. He's missed time the past two seasons as well. Someone will pay him, though."

Well, apprentice GM Salguero disagrees. With respect, of course.

I don't pay for reputation. I don't pay a player for what he was two or three years ago. I don't pay for Pro Bowls earned on name recognition. I pay for what I saw recently and what I'm projecting I'll see going forward. And I don't like what I'm seeing going forward for Jake Long. Yes, he's great to have on the team. Yes, he's a hard worker. Yes, he's good and fills a key position when he's healthy. But he's breaking down. He's played worse, not better the past two years. And in those last two years, he's been on injured reserve in December.

Apprentice Salguero's team will be making a playoff push in December and going to the postseason in January. Players with an A-grade are healthy and helping at that point, not watching from the injured reserve list. Remember, durability is a critical factor when judging players. And on that factor, Long is failing. Jake Long is a B player for me. If he wants to stay with Miami, he can be about team and town and play for $6-$8 million a year with no more than four years on the deal. I'd rather sign him for three years but you have to give up something to get something. If he's in it for the idea that "someone will pay him," as master Polian says, then go get paid elsewhere, bro. We want players that want to win and prove something, not those that are driven by getting paid. We paid you more than you really deserved in your last contract, based on what you delivered the final two years of the deal. Now it's time you help us out.

Otherwise, I'll move Jonathan Martin to left tackle and draft a right tackle in the second round and we'll have two young starters for one-quarter of the price it would require to pay Long. That will also free more money to spend on players that matter more -- playmakers.

Master GM Polian says Randy Starks is an A player.

"He's older, but he could be effective as an inside, space-eating 3-4 or power 4-3 kind of tackle," the master writes. "He had a very good year with Miami. This type of player is hard to find, so I imagine he'll have a market."

Apprentice Salguero agrees. Apprentice Salguero wants badly to keep Starks. He wants $8 million per year? How about $7.5 mill, Randy? Come on, buddy, you love South Florida. You don't pay state taxes. That big truck you drive is too beautiful to get all muddy and salty in the snow and sleet. Plus, we're going places as a team. You're agent played for the Dolphins. You're comfortable here. And did I mention no state income tax?

(Don't mock. New York for example has an 8.97% state income tax for folks in Starks' bracket. On $1 million, that's $89,700. If Starks is making $8 million per year, that's $717,600 more in his pocket every year if he stays in Florida. Over a four-year deal, that's $2.87 million more in his bank account that won't be there if he's playing for the Jets or Giants. In Ohio the upper rate is 5.97%, Illinois 5%, North Carolina 7.75%, Georgia, where former Dolphins DC Mike Nolan might like Starks, it's 6%. Louisiana, where the Saints defense needs upgrading, it's also 6%.)

Master GM Polian believes Ed Reed is an A player. Reed, you may recall, was tied to the Dolphins by some CBS report that speculated Miami would be interested. I don't believe that will be the case but maybe Jeff Ireland is desperate. Edreedhappy

Apprentice Salguero does not grade Ed Reed an A player. He's going to be 36 years old in September. He's going to return to Baltimore. He's coming off a Super Bowl championship so he's accomplished his biggest career goal other than going to the Hall of Fame.

I pay players with their goals ahead of them and who are 26 not 36. If New England wants him, go for it. The Dolphins are not at the same stage of development as the Pats. It would be a pleasure to make him guess wrong a couple of times and have Mike Wallace go over the top of him. Nothing against Reed. I love the guy. He's a U guy. I'm a U guy. But I'm more a W guy. That's more important to me.

I'd rather have Glover Quin for one-quarter the price. He's a tight end lockdown machine. He makes plays. He's also an upgrade over Chris Clemons.

Moving on.

Master GM Polian grades Reggie Bush. He gives the Dolphins leading rusher of the past two years a B grade.

"He's a name, but at this stage in his career, he's a third-down guy," Polian writes.

Apprentice Salguero agrees. My starter next year is Lamar Miller who is 218 pounds compared to 202 for Bush and who runs a 4.39 compared to a 4.49 for Bush. So I'm going bigger, stronger, faster, cheaper. Less experienced? Yes, but that will be forgotten by November.

By the way, if Bush wants to remain with the Dolphins,I'm thrilled. He gets a two-year deal worth about $3 million total. And the deal comes with the understanding that he is the third-down back and no longer the starter. Why?

Because I want my starting RB to average more than 60 yards per game rushing. And I think Miller can do that. If the Lions, or Jets or Giants think Bush can do better than that and pay him bigtime, then God bless, Reggie. Loved having you.

What about Packers WR Greg Jennings? Well, master Polian grades him a B player.

"Jennings will be a big name, but this is the classic question mark: How much do you pay a guy who will turn 30 at the start of the 2013 season and is coming off of two injury-plagued seasons?"

Apprentice Salguero is troubled here.

So Long is an A player despite being injured the past two seasons, but Jennings is a B player because he's been injured the past two seasons? I get that Long is two years younger. Master Polian should understand that Jennings doesn't crash into a 300-pound defensive end or chase speedy 3-4 LBs every play like Long does.

Anyway, I don't necessarily want Jennings but may have to chase Jenning depending on how well I do with Wallace. If I land Wallace, I don't really need Jennings -- particularly not for the $7-$8 million per year he thinks he's worth.

If I land Wallace, I speak to Jennings and see if he'll come to Miami for $5-$6 million per year. He does that, I sign him. He gets a better offer elsewhere, I re-sign Brian Hartline. They both get a better offer elsewhere, I think about adding Martellus Bennett as my tight end -- someone who will be thrilled to get $4-$5 million per year, I suspect. (This one would require GM Salguero to stare into Bennett's soul for an entire day to see what's in there because I have worries about this guy's makeup.) Master Polian rates Bennett an A player.

And failing all that, I keep searching and get ready to draft somebody and maybe two somebodies. I'm also drafting a tight end because Michael Egnew ain't it, brother.

Oh, on the topic of TEs, master GM Polian grades Anthony Fasano a B player.

"Receiving and speed aren't his strong suits, but he can block. As a solid, all-around guy, he'll get the job done,' the master writes.

To which apprentice Salguero says, "meh."

I'd sign him. I wouldn't pay him, if you get the drift. I make sure I go into 2013 with Fasano either off the team or as my backup tight end. If he's my starter again, I suck because I didn't upgrade the position. If he's Jeff Ireland's starter again, then Ireland really sucks because he didn't upgrade the position for the fifth consecutive year. (Nothing personal, Jeff, but good God man open your eyes to the importance of seam-stretching, redzone-playmaking TEs!)

Did you notice a couple of prominent Dolphins free agents -- Chirs Clemons, Sean Smith -- are not on the list of Polian's A, B or C players? So did I. There's a reason.

[BLOG NOTE: Check back later for a post about Miami cornerback Sean Smith. You must not miss it.]

 

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Ireland will be fired after this year, its been proven he doesnt know WTF to do. Im not sure why you guys are so juiced up about this offseason

Pleases don't get YG started today JS... he is making good football posts and we don't need anyone getting him off track
Thanks

Everyone wants to annoint Miller as the starter? Why? I don't like Bush as our every down back either, primarily because his inside running is dismal.
But when has Miller ever shown the balls to take on the big boys and plow through em? He's dodged, spun, and out ran linemen and LBs. Nice skils, but same as Bush. Weight only factors in if you use it to your advantage, which he hasn't so far.
I don't get the projection.

And another question, since when is Bush a 4.49 runner? I thought he was one of the faster guys in the league? I'm not saying Mando is wrong, just this is the first I heard of that.

JS... Miller makes one cut and goes. Bush dances and hopes for a hole. That, price, and age are teh difference.

Actually you did, but I won't try to explain how it happened.

As far as signing their FA's back well, that all depends on the CASH they want.

Armando, you wouldn't have gotten RGIII for two first rounders and a second. It was THREE first rounders and a second and the 'Skins picks were higher. So you'd have to up the ante. What the 'Skins got him for was the MINIMUM offer on the table. Who knows how high it would have gotten had we been in the bidding. I have a funny feeling that Synder would not have been outbid for RGIII.

You also never would have ended up with Wake, have traded for Bush or added Matt Moore as your QB.

So with all that being said Armando, I'll stick with Jeff Ireland rather than you making the decisions, respectfully of course.

Posted by: Craig M | February 08, 2013 at 12:46 PM

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Agreed, Craig, and somewhat surprised Armando made such a basic error about RG3. The Dolphins simply could not match what the Skins gave up and besides that, Salguero posted that he would have offered even LESS.

Makes no sense at all.

I do agree with him about Wallace, however. Tannehill has no shot to excel until he has a legitimate deep threat and is released from the shackles of this constricted offense.

Just do not understand why so many here think if we add wallace all of a sudden Hartline and Bess tds will shoot thru the roof.

Hartline/Bess were #1 and #2 wrs last season. Both only had 1 td. Both should have had at least 5tds a piece when they were 1st and 2nd option all season long.

You guys have gotten far to use to seeing us move up and down the field on occasion and now think that's "real football". I think you've also forgotten its all about crossing that "final chalked white line".

Its called the "ENDZONE" fellas. Lest you long forget. BTW, and how often does Hartline/Bess cross that final chalked line? About as often as one wins the lottery in a year. ONE TIME!

CommonSense..
I WISH Miller did that, but he dances a bit too. And cringes when cantact comes.
Not a Bush fan, not a Miller fan either. Either is fine on 3rd down, but I'd like a more solid back for every down. Any of those 3 guys the Saints have would be ideal. Surely the Saints don't need them all?
Chris Ivory maybe?

I would also add that RG3---for all his marvelous skills and great leadership qualities--is already (sadly) well along the way to the injury-plagued career many predicted for him.

I have a feeling he will be among the top "what could have been" players of all time when all is said and done. Hope I'm wrong. He's a delight to watch play.

I LOVE Bush's work ethic and leadership but Chris Ivory would be a pretty sweet addition to the back field. I would certainly let Bush walk for Ivory.

I prefer that type of RB as well. I see the Miller/Bush style as a compliment. Unfortunately the Dolphins don't have that power RB. Though they seem to be pretty easy to pickup. Ivory is decent, rather just draft someone in the later rounds.

Though I think you are underestimating Miller and I hope I'm right :)

Armando.....

excellent work if I may say so....

2 and a half years ago I posted the question....should we trade Jake Long.....nobody (exceptt maybe DC) wanted to hear of it....

now we are facing a possibilty of him leaving and getting zippy in return...seems like that is the book on the FINS...draft them HIGH...trade them low...or not @ all....

I haven't been a fan of Jake Longs play for quite some time....but as I posted to CommonSense earlier...if Martin plays LT for a full year...I think he will be eaten alive....

So if Long would come back as a (B) player...I say welcome aboard....and lets get this man some playoff wins....

I wish I won the lottery once a year....

Boy, do I get so confused with some of you socalled fans here. You cry every year about not making the playoffs. Yet want to keep wr's that dont score points. WTH gives?

Arent you aware that in order to make the playoffs its imminent to be able to score point? I guess if you were nfl dc's you would waste your game prep week game planning for the great Brian Hartline.

Im a hardcore dolfan and only want to see this team restored to glory. From reading some of the post here, it seems many are fine with 8-8, 7-9. Thats what your posts are reading.

jrs,

Good points on RGIII. REALLY, REALLY like this kid but I just don't see him lasting in the NFL. It's a shame. cause he's a great talent.

I'll also add, there's very little I like about Armando's plan. Probably not a surprise. He doesn't like Ireland. I don't feel nearly as strong about him. He's frustrated and wants IMMEDIATE results. I get that. I don't making my living following this team and I know at the end of the day Armando just wants a winner. We all do. I'd just take a much more systematic approach on it. I get the feeling Armando just wants ONE great season. He'd trade all this mediocrity for what it feels like what the Ravens are going through right now. I want the team to be competitive EVERY year. Different approaches.

Craig please tell me what fantasy you are basing the statement that I never would have gotten Cameron Wake?

I would have gotten Wake AND Armon Armstead instead of letting him go to the Patriots. And I would have gotten CB Brandon Browner who worked out with Wake the same time he was down here but eventually went to Seattle because Miami didn't offer anything.

And the reason I would have added all those guys is because Miami's search for CFL talent was a 2008 Bill Parcells mandate, not a Jeff Ireland mandate. And it was the scouts that presented those names, not JI. And it was Parcells that said, "Do it already," on Wake and no one else.

Facts are amazing.

(Oh, you are right, I wouldn't have traded for Bush. I would not have signed Moore. So two solid players that I would have replaced with two other guys. Team went 6-10, 7-9 with them. Team would have probably gone 6-10 and 7-9 without them. Big Whoop.)

Respectfully.

CS,
I'd love for Miller to "get it" and turn into Ray Rice, but his DNA may not let him. Guys with great moves and speed have spent their whole career in HS and college being able to run around everyone. It's usually worked. So you get to the NFL, and Uh OH, D-linemen and LBS are FAST. Gotta adapt. Might be hard though... good power runners love contact.
We'll see if he can.
Bush tried, he really did... he's just a lightweight. Physical limitations there.

I'd still rather upgrade the RB position. And I'm ok with drafting. Just reluctant to go top round for something that seems to be available in FA.

But I admit I do really like Stepfan Taylor - a lot.

I'm also worried about Miller but not on hitting and coming out of the hole, he has great vision and strenght. Pass protecting. I did not see the required willingness in him to pick up a blitzing LB like Reggie did. Might be a matter of technique but Hmm...

Kris,

I'm terrified of Martin at LT too. It's funny all the 'Martin will be just fine at LT once he adds some muscle' guys will run and hide when the plan doesn't work out. I think we're about to find out just how important a good LT is to your team. Hope I'm wrong but that's what I see happening.

To this point in the off season...Ireland has kept his _ _ _ _ sucker closed....and not tipped his hand...

I hope it continues thru the draft....

I want to read about CLOSED deals....not woulds...coulds...shouldas.....

Time to rebuild FINS pride....

Lamar Miller should be fine. 218 lbs isnt a small back. Im sure Miller will be hard at it in the weight room this offseason.

In 2013, I expect to see a 218 to 225 lb rb, who will have better ability to break some tackles, with 4.33 speed to take it to the house.

But remember, the oline has to be addressed this offseason. Or it wont matter if Adrian Petersen was our rb.

YG
I think what some folks are trying to say that some of the average player we have currently on the team might not be so average if we added playmaker talent around them. And instead of trying to fill 15 holes we fill 5 and hope that raises the play of the rest of the players. No one will have a team riddled with All Pro players.
A medium done steak is just a medium done steak until you add some spices to it.

Armando,

I'm simply pointing out you ONLY mentioned the moves you would have mae had you been GM. There were ones you would have missed out on.

Those were only off the top of my head. Trying to bring a little BALANCE to your comments.

Respectfully

having Wallace makes the defense back up. no more 11 guys within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage, and also having Jennings, Hartlin, Bess and a tight end threat all working underneath with Miller running the ball gets me pumped to buy tickets!

Mando,
BTW I thought I was the only one holding a grudge about taking D. Thomas over D. Murray. I nearly came unglued during the draft when it happened. Glad to see I have company.

I'm still mad at Ireland over that.

JS... Miller makes one cut and goes. Bush dances and hopes for a hole. That, price, and age are teh difference.

Common Sense,

Agreed but that still doesn't mean he's a starting RB. He only had 51 carries last year so it's a pretty big gamble. In short--We just don't know yet.

Remember when Travis Minor was anointed the starting RB after Ricky retired??? That was a f#cking train wreck. Big difference between being a change of pace back & a lead back.

you can really upgrade offense via free agency. better to upgrade defensed through draft!

Mando, appreciate the excellent reading today. Also like the approach. Makes tons of sense all the way around.

Also appreciate you mixing it up with us "civilians."
Seems to me Dolphins fans have been beat down so long, they forgot what a good football team looks like.

And I laugh when some on here say I wanna take the slow and steady approach. We've been taking that POS approach for a decade! Where has it gotten us?

No. where.

Armando,

I also noticed you didn't comment on the fact it was THREE first round picks and a second for RGIII and that if we'd have offered that it STILL wouldn't have been enough to get it done. Care to take another run at that one? Your right, 'facts are amazing'.

Or how about the fact you wanted Brandon Graham as a Dolphin? Any comments on that one?

Respectfully.

You must remember that Philbin wants to establish OL zone blocking where only 1 cut runners do well. Lamar Miller is the perfect back for that. D. Thomas is also very fast thru the hole, when he can find it. Bush does not fit this scheme, unfortunately.

Playmakers, and CommonSense.

Only my opinion of course, but short and simple I haven't sen anything ut of Miller to suggest he's a lead back.
Skills, sure.
Speed, yep.
But he reminds me of Daniel Thomas in one way: LEARNING to hit through the line, present a hard target without a change of direction, and intiate contact on inevitible tackles. Miller and Thomas are both trying to learn that, and it's tough for guys who have spent their years running around everyone.

Like i said, just my opinion. It certainly would be more efficient and cost effect to have Miller blossom instead of seeking a replacement.

Craig, the man said he missed out on some moves. He said he would have taken Orton. He said he would have picked Quinn over Ginn although there was no right answer there.

And Brandon Graham is a starter at DE for the Eagles, my friend. He had 6 sacks or something like that this year.

I haven't been a fan of Jake Longs play for quite some time....but as I posted to CommonSense earlier...if Martin plays LT for a full year...I think he will be eaten alive....

Kris,

Whoever plays LT in 2013 needs to improve from last year. Neither Long or Martin did a good enough job. If Martin doesn't 'man up' this off season then Ireland might have missed another player.

bidniss,

Im not talking a team full completely riddled with "all-pros". Yaou cant keep a team like that together because of salary cap anyway.

I'm talking plain old "commonsense". If you have wr's that have been on your team 4-5yrs and their greatest "scoring season" is 3tds. How the hell can you feel great about that moving forward, not matter what talent you add with them.

Lets bring in Wallace, then watch Hartline still score no more than 1 to 4tds max. Bess still gets his 1 to 3 max tds. Wallace gets 5-7 tds max because most times he's game planned away.

Thjese still arent enough tds to make us any better than 7-9 to 9-7 max. But Im sure many here would think if we finished 8-8 in 2013, the team has taken a giant step forward.

And correct me if wrong, Armando. Didn't you ALSO rip the Dolphins at the time for not giving up a draft pick when the Steelers traded Santonio Holmes to the Jets. If you'd been GM we would have given up a pick for this cancer and be handcuffed to him for the tune of about $9 mil a year. So you would have made some 'apprentice' GM mistakes along the way too.

Curious...
Bush ran 4.33 at his official pro-day at USC for the draft.
Granted he's older now, but he fell .16 seconds?
That's big power-back range.
Where'd those #s come from?

Mando,

I would personally feel more confident with you as the GM headed into the offseason than Fireland

And the reason I would have added all those guys is because Miami's search for CFL talent was a 2008 Bill Parcells mandate, not a Jeff Ireland mandate. And it was the scouts that presented those names, not JI. And it was Parcells that said, "Do it already," on Wake and no one else.

Mando,

So Ireland was responsible for finding one playmaker (Reshad Jones) in five off seasons??? Please tell us why he still has a job...

WNP, True true. I like what I've seen, hopefully he can do it. Won't know until they try. Not saying I am against a backup plan, that backup plan to me would be a late 3rd/4th on RB pick.

Armando, I wouldn't have got Bush either. Why they didn't go after Sproles is beyond me. And that isn't hindsight I said it at the time.

Great discussion today!

This blog has really picked up since Mando banned the trolls. Anyway, my two cents is while I would not hire Armando as the GM, he has been on the record with dozens of moves that his readers all remember. And he hit as often if not more than the actual Dolphins GMs.

I don't know if that means Mando would be a good GM. But it definitely shows how terrible this team has been run for years and years and years and years.

That speaks for itself more than debating whether a great sportswriter would be a great GM too.

Shanahan always has good qb play. Not taking anything away from rg3 but Shanahan always gets his qb's to play well. Name one bad qb under shanahan? Anyway i would take T hill and 2 first round picks over rg3 who is already injured in first year and looks to be mike vick 2.0, and will continued to be injured. He had a concusion and a knee injury last year alone. Hopefully we can surround t hill with a couple of wr with those picks..

Mando,
Agree with Michael. Can't say I agree with you 100%, but I agree with Ireland almost 10%. Definite upgrade.

I get what you are saying YG. And I agree to an extent. I think the folks throwing these guys the balls is a big deal also. Henne, Moore then a rookie with 19 college starts. Welker didn't score squat TDs while here either but NE is a whole nuddah story, right? I know, extreme example. Look at Marshall for instance...throwning out his rookie year:

DEN '07-'09 = 23 TDs 7.6 avg
MIA '10-'11 = 9 TDs 4.5 avg
CHI '12 = 11

3 - 7 LESS TDs avg per year with a MIA QB

"Only my opinion of course, but short and simple I haven't sen anything ut of Miller to suggest he's a lead back.
Skills, sure.
Speed, yep.
But he reminds me of Daniel Thomas in one way: LEARNING to hit through the line, present a hard target without a change of direction, and intiate contact on inevitible tackles. Miller and Thomas are both trying to learn that, and it's tough for guys who have spent their years running around everyone.

Like i said, just my opinion. It certainly would be more efficient and cost effect to have Miller blossom instead of seeking a replacement."

JS,

Like Frank Gore does. Very good point but my concern is more about whether he can take the pounding of 200 plus carries. Obviously Thomas can't. We just don't know yet on Miller.

BTW--I do believe that Thigpen can help this offense if we utilize him @ RB or as a receiever. The kid has game-changing speed.

bidness...

excellent use stats to make you're point.....

Yes, Craig, I would have given up a fifth for Santonio Holmes just like he Jets did. And that would have rented him in 2010 for 12 games.

So you know what would have happened?

Nolan Carroll wouldn't be on the Dolphins.
And Brandon Marshall wouldn't have been on the team. And that would mean I would have had those two second round picks in 2010 and 2011.

As for the $9 million cancer, I wouldn't have that because Holmes was in the final year of his contract. He was a rental and nothing more. The Jets made the fatal mistake of paying the guy big money after 2010. I would never have paid Santonio Holmes big money for anything and neither would a majority of NFL teams. Mike Tannenbaum did and it is one reason he's fired.

You're not doing too well, bud.

Where is Taiwan? Where is Taiwan? My God!

YG, Hartline isn't the best WR in the world, but he does have chemistry with the rookie QB. I think you are over looking that. Honestly the first time the guy has had a legit QB to throw the ball to him as well.

bidNiss...

my apologies for the mis-spelling....

WNP, True true. I like what I've seen, hopefully he can do it. Won't know until they try. Not saying I am against a backup plan, that backup plan to me would be a late 3rd/4th on RB pick.

Armando, I wouldn't have got Bush either. Why they didn't go after Sproles is beyond me. And that isn't hindsight I said it at the time.

Common Sense,

Agreed on Sproles. Love that kid.

People killed me on Omar's blog when I said that I hated the move to get Bush. Way too much money for a RB that wasn't a starter & couldn't stay healthy. Then to give up a draft pick too??? Crazy.

It's all good Kris.

RG3 is no Mike Vick, intelligence or otherwise. He will bounce back.

"Yes, Craig, I would have given up a fifth for Santonio Holmes just like he Jets did. And that would have rented him in 2010 for 12 games.

So you know what would have happened?

Nolan Carroll wouldn't be on the Dolphins.
And Brandon Marshall wouldn't have been on the team. And that would mean I would have had those two second round picks in 2010 and 2011.

As for the $9 million cancer, I wouldn't have that because Holmes was in the final year of his contract. He was a rental and nothing more. The Jets made the fatal mistake of paying the guy big money after 2010. I would never have paid Santonio Holmes big money for anything and neither would a majority of NFL teams. Mike Tannenbaum did and it is one reason he's fired.

You're not doing too well, bud."

LOL@Mando!!! No Nolan Carroll??? Say it isn't so??? Ha!!!

WNP....

I have been critical of Long for the past 2 season's...with my favorute line being "there 5 teams that have won the SB....and none of them have "ALL WORLD" Jake Long paying for them"....

but as this thing really comes to a close....I think we/Ireland has to have a better plan than Martin being his back-up...altho....I have a feeling he (Ireland) doesn't....

I won't be unhappy to see Bush go elsewhere but I have not had a problem with seeing the man on the Dolphins the past couple years. Except for a few curious behind the line dance moves that I followed up with throwing a soft objext at the TV. He just tries to take every single play to teh bank, sometimes it works but often it does not.

Nobody is comparing RG3 to Vick. Not even sure why anyone would?

The issue is simply his health and ability to STAY healthy. Those are serious and legitimate questions that predated his arrival in the NFL.

If anyone thinks Fasano is a better player than Chris Clemons they don't watch much Dolphins football

YG, Hartline isn't the best WR in the world, but he does have chemistry with the rookie QB. I think you are over looking that. Honestly the first time the guy has had a legit QB to throw the ball to him as well.

Common Sense,

And he played through injuries this year. If we roll the dice on Jennings what happens if he get nicked up???

IMO--We need more than two guys who can catch the football. Add a Wallace or a Jennings but don't subtract Hartline. That's just dumb.

Many times, I don't get People's thinking here. Sproles couldn't tie Bush's R sneaker based on overall ability, blocking, running, catching, leading. My God!

The real question to ask is what will these young read option and pistol running QBs do if those schemes get buried out back beside the wildcat??
Ronnie Browns best year was under the Wildcat, each year following that?.... MEH. Big drops each year.

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