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Former GM Polian agrees with fake GM Salguero (sometimes)

OK, so I'm not really an NFL general manager and have never even played one on TV. I have seen my share of Dolphins general manager moves that I agreed with and disagreed with and, I must say, I've been right about as often as they have.

(Actually more so, but don't want to brag. Fact is if I'd been Miami's GM Drew Brees would have been the QB and not Daunte Culpepper, Anquan Boldin would have been on the team and not Brandon Marshall, Hakeem Nicks would have been on the team and not Vontae Davis, Vince Wilfork would have been on the team and not Vernon Carey, Jimmy Graham would be on the team instead of John Jerry, and Chad Henne would have been replaced in 2011 instead of 2012 because I knew after 2010 he didn't have it. I also never would have cut Shelton Quarles, never would have signed Jake Grove and never would have traded up for Daniel Thomas because I thought DeMarco Murray was better. I also would have traded away two first-round picks and a second for Robert Griffin III instead of drafting Ryan Tannehill. Oh, I've also had misses. I would have picked Brady Quinn instead of Ted Ginn Jr. and I would have traded for Kyle Orton.)

Having said all that, I don't really know anything because I only go by what I see with my own eyes on TV or in practice. I do not study tape because, well, nobody's ever asked me to.

But I admit it felt good recently when I read former six-time NFL executive of the year Bill Polian, the architect of Super Bowl teams in Buffalo, Carolina and Indianapolis, run down his grades for some members of the coming free agent class on ESPN.com.

Polian apparently prepares for free agency by categorizing UFAs by grade. A is for starting caliber players worthy of big starter money. B is for guys he'd sign but only if the contract makes sense for the team. C is for players he'd sign for low salary and short terms with low bonuses.

And immediately apprentice Salguero would have a philosophical disagreement with Master GM Polian. Apprentice GM Salguero believes free agency is dangerous enough without roaming into the weeds signing C players. I don't give bonuses to C players. Veterans with a couple of years left in the tank can sign for minimum in Miami because there are no state taxes and the weather is great (after September) and the coaching staff is professional and and we have a chance to make the playoffs because the Jets and Bills stink and that should be four wins right there.

Otherwise, I'm putting young guys on the team and asking the coaches to do their jobs, which is to develop them.

Apprentice GM Salguero uses free agency to make bounding leaps that help the team significantly, tangibly. Apprentice GM Salguero uses free agency sparingly but sparklingly. In other words, I'm not going to use the resource unless the resource sets off a nuclear blast in my division or fills a great need with a star player that the draft will not immediately provide.

Apprentice GM Salguero also believes free agency is for keeping your own best players because you know them better than anyone but also for reshuffling the deck so to speak so I do not sign my own mediocre players just because I'm comfortable with them. Free agency is for getting signficantly better, not keeping the status quo.

I believe when you re-sign one of your own mediocre guys, you are losing value because he is likely to continue performing at the same mediocre level he has been except he's now doing it for a higher salary. Nope, I don't play that with guys that are merely mediocre because I don't want to pay more for continuing to be 7-9. I'll pay more for better player. But paying more for the same caliber of play is losing ground. Am I making myself understood?

(GM Salguero could've been a writer).

To wit:

Master GM Polian graded several players we all have an interest in discussing. I'm going to tell you what he said and remind you how I feel about those players. Then you'll see where we agree and disagree.

The master GM grades Pittsburgh receiver Mike Wallace with an A.

"Wallace is a good route runner, has good instincts and typically has good hands, but he's small and you worry about injury," Polian said. "Inconsistency in the past also is a concern. Pittsburgh didn't reach a deal with him, which will make some teams wary, but this league is always looking for WRs with speed who can take the top off a defense -- and he can do that." Wallcegoes

The apprentice GM agrees with the Mike Wallace grade. He is an A. Indeed, I see him as an A-plus. If you've spent five seconds on this blog, you know this is the one free agent I would sign were I running the Dolphins.

Am I worried about Wallace's size? No, as he doesn't miss many games. Am I worried that Pittsburgh not signing him is a red flag? No, I'm celebrating their inability to sign an excellent playmaker. Look, I need a player that can take the top off the defense, give my offense big-play ability, and add speed to the roster. Wallace does those things. He'd be my No. 1 target in free agency. Period.

Next, master GM Polian tackles Jake Long and gives him an A grade.

"His reputation will make him an A player," Polian writes, "but he is an injury and age concern to me.  He is turning only 28 to start next season, but he already has played 74 games, making a long-term deal a risk. He's missed time the past two seasons as well. Someone will pay him, though."

Well, apprentice GM Salguero disagrees. With respect, of course.

I don't pay for reputation. I don't pay a player for what he was two or three years ago. I don't pay for Pro Bowls earned on name recognition. I pay for what I saw recently and what I'm projecting I'll see going forward. And I don't like what I'm seeing going forward for Jake Long. Yes, he's great to have on the team. Yes, he's a hard worker. Yes, he's good and fills a key position when he's healthy. But he's breaking down. He's played worse, not better the past two years. And in those last two years, he's been on injured reserve in December.

Apprentice Salguero's team will be making a playoff push in December and going to the postseason in January. Players with an A-grade are healthy and helping at that point, not watching from the injured reserve list. Remember, durability is a critical factor when judging players. And on that factor, Long is failing. Jake Long is a B player for me. If he wants to stay with Miami, he can be about team and town and play for $6-$8 million a year with no more than four years on the deal. I'd rather sign him for three years but you have to give up something to get something. If he's in it for the idea that "someone will pay him," as master Polian says, then go get paid elsewhere, bro. We want players that want to win and prove something, not those that are driven by getting paid. We paid you more than you really deserved in your last contract, based on what you delivered the final two years of the deal. Now it's time you help us out.

Otherwise, I'll move Jonathan Martin to left tackle and draft a right tackle in the second round and we'll have two young starters for one-quarter of the price it would require to pay Long. That will also free more money to spend on players that matter more -- playmakers.

Master GM Polian says Randy Starks is an A player.

"He's older, but he could be effective as an inside, space-eating 3-4 or power 4-3 kind of tackle," the master writes. "He had a very good year with Miami. This type of player is hard to find, so I imagine he'll have a market."

Apprentice Salguero agrees. Apprentice Salguero wants badly to keep Starks. He wants $8 million per year? How about $7.5 mill, Randy? Come on, buddy, you love South Florida. You don't pay state taxes. That big truck you drive is too beautiful to get all muddy and salty in the snow and sleet. Plus, we're going places as a team. You're agent played for the Dolphins. You're comfortable here. And did I mention no state income tax?

(Don't mock. New York for example has an 8.97% state income tax for folks in Starks' bracket. On $1 million, that's $89,700. If Starks is making $8 million per year, that's $717,600 more in his pocket every year if he stays in Florida. Over a four-year deal, that's $2.87 million more in his bank account that won't be there if he's playing for the Jets or Giants. In Ohio the upper rate is 5.97%, Illinois 5%, North Carolina 7.75%, Georgia, where former Dolphins DC Mike Nolan might like Starks, it's 6%. Louisiana, where the Saints defense needs upgrading, it's also 6%.)

Master GM Polian believes Ed Reed is an A player. Reed, you may recall, was tied to the Dolphins by some CBS report that speculated Miami would be interested. I don't believe that will be the case but maybe Jeff Ireland is desperate. Edreedhappy

Apprentice Salguero does not grade Ed Reed an A player. He's going to be 36 years old in September. He's going to return to Baltimore. He's coming off a Super Bowl championship so he's accomplished his biggest career goal other than going to the Hall of Fame.

I pay players with their goals ahead of them and who are 26 not 36. If New England wants him, go for it. The Dolphins are not at the same stage of development as the Pats. It would be a pleasure to make him guess wrong a couple of times and have Mike Wallace go over the top of him. Nothing against Reed. I love the guy. He's a U guy. I'm a U guy. But I'm more a W guy. That's more important to me.

I'd rather have Glover Quin for one-quarter the price. He's a tight end lockdown machine. He makes plays. He's also an upgrade over Chris Clemons.

Moving on.

Master GM Polian grades Reggie Bush. He gives the Dolphins leading rusher of the past two years a B grade.

"He's a name, but at this stage in his career, he's a third-down guy," Polian writes.

Apprentice Salguero agrees. My starter next year is Lamar Miller who is 218 pounds compared to 202 for Bush and who runs a 4.39 compared to a 4.49 for Bush. So I'm going bigger, stronger, faster, cheaper. Less experienced? Yes, but that will be forgotten by November.

By the way, if Bush wants to remain with the Dolphins,I'm thrilled. He gets a two-year deal worth about $3 million total. And the deal comes with the understanding that he is the third-down back and no longer the starter. Why?

Because I want my starting RB to average more than 60 yards per game rushing. And I think Miller can do that. If the Lions, or Jets or Giants think Bush can do better than that and pay him bigtime, then God bless, Reggie. Loved having you.

What about Packers WR Greg Jennings? Well, master Polian grades him a B player.

"Jennings will be a big name, but this is the classic question mark: How much do you pay a guy who will turn 30 at the start of the 2013 season and is coming off of two injury-plagued seasons?"

Apprentice Salguero is troubled here.

So Long is an A player despite being injured the past two seasons, but Jennings is a B player because he's been injured the past two seasons? I get that Long is two years younger. Master Polian should understand that Jennings doesn't crash into a 300-pound defensive end or chase speedy 3-4 LBs every play like Long does.

Anyway, I don't necessarily want Jennings but may have to chase Jenning depending on how well I do with Wallace. If I land Wallace, I don't really need Jennings -- particularly not for the $7-$8 million per year he thinks he's worth.

If I land Wallace, I speak to Jennings and see if he'll come to Miami for $5-$6 million per year. He does that, I sign him. He gets a better offer elsewhere, I re-sign Brian Hartline. They both get a better offer elsewhere, I think about adding Martellus Bennett as my tight end -- someone who will be thrilled to get $4-$5 million per year, I suspect. (This one would require GM Salguero to stare into Bennett's soul for an entire day to see what's in there because I have worries about this guy's makeup.) Master Polian rates Bennett an A player.

And failing all that, I keep searching and get ready to draft somebody and maybe two somebodies. I'm also drafting a tight end because Michael Egnew ain't it, brother.

Oh, on the topic of TEs, master GM Polian grades Anthony Fasano a B player.

"Receiving and speed aren't his strong suits, but he can block. As a solid, all-around guy, he'll get the job done,' the master writes.

To which apprentice Salguero says, "meh."

I'd sign him. I wouldn't pay him, if you get the drift. I make sure I go into 2013 with Fasano either off the team or as my backup tight end. If he's my starter again, I suck because I didn't upgrade the position. If he's Jeff Ireland's starter again, then Ireland really sucks because he didn't upgrade the position for the fifth consecutive year. (Nothing personal, Jeff, but good God man open your eyes to the importance of seam-stretching, redzone-playmaking TEs!)

Did you notice a couple of prominent Dolphins free agents -- Chirs Clemons, Sean Smith -- are not on the list of Polian's A, B or C players? So did I. There's a reason.

[BLOG NOTE: Check back later for a post about Miami cornerback Sean Smith. You must not miss it.]

 

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Thanks, JS.

Look guys, don't misunderstand. I'm not beating my chest boasting I'd be a great GM. I'm just like you with the exception that I can watch practices and do attend all the games from a great vantage point. I also get to talk to people around the league.

Otherwise, I'm just a guy.

But I've been out there on some guys and I have an approach I would take. Is it perfect? No! But is it easy to dismiss because it makes no sense or has no logic or is based on fantasy? No way.

By the way, the Dolphins do read my blog. Jeff Ireland has told me as much. He knows I wouldn't pay big money for Jake Long. We discussed it. He knows I want Mike Wallace. Coaches and players also read this stuff. Even people that leave this team and go to other teams read this blog -- again, based on what they've told me. So my hope is maybe I plant a seed about a possible direction to take.

The rest obviously is up to them.

I just wanted to point out, Armando, that state income tax is determined in the state of the game played. Therefore only 8 games qualify. Maybe a couple more for road games played in states with no state income tax. Most states that do levy an income tax will make you pay their tax on your whole income if you reside in that state and just credit you taxes paid to other states. So if you live in North Carolina and play in Miami, NC will tax all of your income and only credit you back taxes actually charged in another state. A Miami player has to file a state return for each state he plays in because he earns income there if they have an income tax.

Ex CPA who did several sports athletes returns.

LOL, if Ireland reads your blog Armando then he knows by know eveeyone thinks hes done a lousey job so far and if the Dolphins dont greatly improve he'll be fired next year. Armando, that blog you wrote about Ireland personal life was that a favor to him?? Interesting

I have been critical of Long for the past 2 season's...with my favorute line being "there 5 teams that have won the SB....and none of them have "ALL WORLD" Jake Long paying for them"....

but as this thing really comes to a close....I think we/Ireland has to have a better plan than Martin being his back-up...altho....I have a feeling he (Ireland) doesn't....

Kris,

I have a feeling Ireland doesn't know what the hell he's doing either. The two players I like best in this draft are Dee Milliner & Eric Fisher. Both guys may very well be gone by the time we're on the board but Fisher is going to be a really good LT in the NFL. He plays with a toughness & nasty streak that Martin just doesn't have. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to believe that Martin might only be a soft, finesse type of OT in the mold of Vernon Carey.

After that I like DeAndre Hopkins, Zach Ertz, & Jacob Lacey.

Ireland is very well aware what fans think, Just Saying.

As for the "blog" you say I wrote. I wrote an entire column that appeared in the newspaper on his kids and wife and him. It was not a favor. It was a good story and I'm glad Rachel and Jeff Ireland shared it with me first.

Mando, I never thought I could be convinced that getting Homles was a good idea. But your scenario and the way it may have played out would have been much better than what actually happened.

A lot of this FA talk is also contingent on those guys actually wanting to come to Miami to play. Big time FAs usually have options. Unless you pull a Buffalo and offer a redonkulous contract to the player before giving them the chance to go anywhere else. Because regardless of where you re it's probably pretty tough to turn down 96Mil, 50 of which is guaranteed.

I can only hope that Jeff Ireland reads blog....

WOudn't be surprised if he sits @ his desk and trolls me on slow days...

Hey Jeff....take your _ _ _ _ beaters off the keyboard....and use those _ _ _ _ suckers that you got...and sweet talk us some quality FA for a reasonable price....

No more Dez Bryant or Ryan Clark incident....in the event that you do have one....even if its due to no fault of your own....if this happens....

kindly...

"FIRE YOURSELF".....

thanks

Some good columns lately by Armando. Curious though about the business side right now. First time in 18 years in South Florida have I seen Lower Bowl Season Tickets available to the Public. The fact people did not upgrade from the upper decks sorta has me shocked. Hopefully the Fins will have a huge FA and Draft and start filling that Stadium with Dolphin Fans again.

If Jeff does read these comments my advice to him would be to do what you think are the right things to do. Regardless of what other folks may say. You are the man making the shots and it's your arse on the line. If you are going to go down then do it the way you thought was the right way. Sink or swim, at the end of the day you can only blame or credit yourself, as it should be.

So scourt,

Three years in, as the 16th pick in the draft, Brandon Graham's getting SIX sacks a year. You telling me that's a good pick? Come on, man!! This blog would be going NUTS if that was what we were getting out of the 16th pick in the draft. Guys would be RIPPING Ireland for another 'bust'.

The fastest 40 I ever read on reggie was a 4.44.His quickness agility and change of direction skills are how he makes his living. Travis minor had quicks and catching skills and thats it. losing ricky then boston was crazy back then.Miami HAS to sign wallace. Teams just bunch up our O. He brings a measure of respect. And wallace made a living catching passes from a mobile strong armed qb who is accurate on the run.Sound familiar? And wallace's stats cant transfer over why? Bess pulls guys away underneath as will a new te and matthews stepping up. Plus philbin will pick up a new wr toy somewhere along the way.

What about Danny Amendola (speed) & Jennings? Just throwing it out there, maybe the poor man's Wallace?

Mando Agree with all your signings but where it does not add up is there only so many draft picks and so much money to fill the holes on the roster. Wallace less draft picks you have around 30 million left and not draft picks work out see Egnew. The phins are not the goverement who can print more money or raise taxes to move forward.

Sure, Armando. All those iffy trades we have witnessed over the years past were done, not by unknowledgeable People, but by unscrupulous ones, IMO. Jeff Ireland has to know this and realize he's under a big magnifying Lens, 24/7. We are tired of Losing.

Know what is better than a SPEED WR? A Smart WR that can set up DBs, run prestine routes and has great body control.

WNP....

I RELLY don't want to use a 1st RD pick on a LT...I would much rather get a (B) status LT in FA...maybe we land another teams "Jake Long"...a very good player...who just needs a change of scenery....


As far as a draft oes...I follow the Mark in Toronto model...

Draft a Pass Rusher 1st....and then use that 2nd rd pick...and extra 3rd rd pick...get back into the 1st...and get the TE....

That soundsl like the most solid strategy to me...if we have any takers....

Ron, I'm a CA (now CPA) in Canada. man, hat US tax system is odd. You spend three hours playing a game in a different state and you are taxed outside of Florida.

Does that pertain to everyone .. i.e. if you need to travel to a different state for your company to visit an office/operation, you are taxed for that week by the other state?

Or is this a special clause for athletes??

I'm not a tax expert, my realm is corporate reporting and financial analysis. In Canada, everything gets funnelled by the federal system anyway ... provincial taxes are based on the amount of federal tax you pay based on your province of residence.


BTW--I do believe that Thigpen can help this offense if we utilize him @ RB or as a receiever. The kid has game-changing speed.

Posted by: We Need Playmakers | February 08, 2013 at 01:36 PM

I like Thigpen, and was hoping the same thing you are. But there must be a disconnect on his ability to run routes, separate, or even read zones for him to be clearly out of the mix at WR even when we were despeartely searching for hidden roster gems at that postion this season. Those are some of the reasons Clydes Gates got cut, so at least Thigpen has a needed skill in the return game.
But, yeah, I'll hope for that too.

Ireland reading Armando's blog entries and reading the comments section are entirely different things.

I seriously doubt he does anything more than occassionally skim this part, and most likely not even that.

But if some of you wamnt to think otherwise, enjoy the delusion!

bidness, Amandola is a good WR all around and he is fast. But if you haven't noticed our WR group NEEDS speed.

Craig, as a matter of fact, we have a D lineman who got 6 sacks last year playing out of position and half the people here ... including the author wanted to trade him for as little as a 3rd round pick.

Mark, I don't believe that Tax info is right. I think you get taxed where your employer is based out of. I worked for a place in NY that worked in CT, etc. I didn't pay CT taxes.

... and he's a more complete player than Graham due to his run stopping abilities.

WNPs,

REALLY surprised to hear your comments about Martin. I thought you were in his corner as a LT for this team. So if I'm reading things correctly, the only guy who seems to be on board with Martin as sure fire LT for this team is LOL. Do I have that correct?

By the way, I really like Fischer too. I think he's going to be a really good LT in this league and I'll be curious to see if Ireland takes him if he's still there. This blog is going to go BALLISTIC if we need another OL first round, with big holes at WR, CB and safety.

Good point @2:18. Had the same thought. Really don't get the Odrick hate, dude is solid. Why not get a pass rush OLB to put behind him or Wake on 3rd downs?

Reading the comments section of a blog is usually more enlightening (no offense) and entertaining than reading the actual blog itself. But thanks for telling us what Jeff Ireland does and does not do, glad you can relay the insider info.

CS, doesn't sound right to me either unless it's a special clause of some sort. I mean people travel all the time for work and don't have to file seperate returns.

Mark,

That's EXACTLY it. Now you've got guys like scourt saying 'he had six sacks last year and he's a starter'. How is it that other teams players get graded differently than the guys on this team? Guys would be going nuts on Ireland if that's what he got out of the 12th overall pick this year and rightly so.

Craig,
I would be among those who not only went ballisitc, but exploded as well.
Might fry my brain enough that i forgot who I was, and became a Jets fan, and painted my toes with peanut butter.

Armano, you'd be a huge improvement over Ireland.

Lives In Real WOrld....

find a poster who typed anything about Irelnd reading this blog....and then understand that you saw IF...and HOPE in all of those comments...that called a preface (look it up)....

and the CHANGE you're screen name AGAIN....and join those of us who mastered 5th grade READING COMPREHENSION....ok....see ya in a bit....

JS,

You'd fit right in with those other clown NTJ fans.....no question!

No way we are going to get to Luke Joeckel. But, sure, we can try for that other Team's OT.

Mark, I don't believe that Tax info is right. I think you get taxed where your employer is based out of. I worked for a place in NY that worked in CT, etc. I didn't pay CT taxes.

Posted by: CommonSense | February 08, 2013 at 02:19 PM

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Correct.

Players do not have to file seperate returns or pay differing tax rates based on where their road games are played.

The only variable would be for a Dolphins player whose PRIMARY residence was out-of-state then they would be subject to whatever that state's tax situation is. This does happen, but it is fairly rare.

Mark,

It's the 12th pick in the draft, you're on the clock....

And the guy you draft at 12 is?....

What I'm telling you, Craig M, is that you were a big defender of Jared Odrick a couple of blogs ago. You even mocked Mando for it among your comments for this post, which I think is in bad taste but that's just me.

Anway, Odrick had 5.5 sacks last year and you think he's a good player to have as a first-round investment.

But then you're pointing out Graham would have been a bad choice by Mando as a first-round investment even when he had the same amount of sacks in fewer games and had a couple of strip sacks that Odrick did not.

I judge your point lacking merit.

Actually, today Brandon Graham would be a better fit as a 4-3 end for the Dolphins than what Odrick is.

So few choices for so many needs...

Dear Kris,

"Ireland reading Armando's blog entries and reading the comments section are entirely different things.
I seriously doubt he does anything more than occassionally skim this part, and most likely not even that.
But if some of you wamnt to think otherwise, enjoy the delusion!
Posted by: Lives In Real World | February 08, 2013 at 02:16 PM"

Your welcome and apology accepted.

My nephew who is 6 can read some as well....but @ times he can't comprhend the words he just read....

hey Troll...are you my 6 year old nephew....and if you are....

get back to reading comprehension class....you can't afford to miss a second of that class....

and the CHANGE you're screen name AGAIN....and join those of us who mastered 5th grade READING COMPREHENSION....ok....see ya in a bit....

Posted by: Kris | February 08, 2013 at 02:25 PM

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You don't seem to have mastered 5th-grade spelling. It's 'your,' not 'you're.'

Thanks for playing, Einstein.

As a matter of fact, nowadays, EVERYBODY is under the Scope 24/7. Even Armando.

Ireand did say he reads Armando's column. So I'm sure he's seen the blog.

So that's a NO @ 2:31.....

YOU CAN'T find a post without IF or HOPE prefaced....

just so we are clear....

@ 2:30.....

WTF are you talking about....

Oscar and Craig (and Mark)

Apologies, you didn't ask... but I'm sort of nosing in on the who to draft 1st round question.
In order, whoever is left on the board from this group:

J. Jones OLB
D. Moore DE
B. Werner DE
B. Mingo OLB (*If he shows pass coverage skills at combine or somewhere. If not, ...pass)
D. Hopkins WR

Wow, even most of the comments on here today are interesting.

Great job Salguero.

Or as the canadian calls you 'the author of this blog.' What a joke.

We know Philbin reads the blogs too.

Ok I'll try and clarify. Yes, for many states its a "jock tax". California earns $60m/yr in jock taxes from nonresidents. Each state is different. Tennessee does not require visiting athletes to pay. There are several methods you can use to allocate but it's a percentage. So you don't pay 1/16 to NJ for the jets game. You count preseason and postseason as well. You cout duty days. Different allocations for practice days. Spring training/camp helps. Regular practice does not usually. Often states get withholding in your game check there and accounting methods can earn you refunds after the fact.

You may not believe me but I've done returns for people on your fantasy team now. Lets just say 60% is in state and 40% is taxed by other states.

Also don't discount the fact that Florida and other states with no income tax have higher sales tax rates so that is effectively 3% compared to Georgia that has a 6% rate on income but less sales tax.

scourt,

First of all Jared Odrick was the 28th pick in the draft. Graham was what? The 13th pick? Big difference.

We were told by Armando and others that Graham was this pass rush beast that we HAD to have. He even wanted to adopt him (go back and check if you doubt me). He has 8.5 sacks in THREE years. So which part are you not getting? Which part are you defending?

I 'mocked' Armando and 'it's in bad taste'. Are you f-ing kidding me? It's a football blog? We share opinions. Where is it written that I have to accept what's written when I disagree with something? Do you need a blanket to cuddle with or something? I'll let you kiss Armando's a**. I'm here to talk football.

Finally, I think Odrick is a good player. I think he fills a need. Yes I thought Armando's idea to trade Odrick based on the money he makes, the fact he'd be good inside and the fact that his trade value wouldn't be high was RIDICULOUS. It's not a personal attack on Armando. I just HATED the idea.

Are you some kind of nutcase? When you stop frothing and turning crimson with rage you may see that I'm simply stating it's highly unlikely Jeff Ireland spends much (if any) time reading these posts. And, yes, I think it's delusional to think otherwise.

That upsets some folks? Well, too bad. Most ADULTS have more important things to get vexed about but I guess I should consider the venue here.

Froth away.

My draft board goes like this ...

Jarvis Jones
Damontre Moore
Barkevious Mingo
Bjoern Werner
Kenny Vaccaro
Dion Jordan
Dee Milliner
Eric Fisher
Alec Ogletree
Cordarelle Patterson

Of course this isn't scientific and based on gut but what the hey

scourt,

Thing is, seem many have forgotten, is Odrick was drafted in lieu of Soliai not working out. Then Soliai had his best season that year, while Odrick went down for the entire season in game 1 I think.

Bottomline, Odrick wasnt drafted to be a "sackmaster", he was originally drafted so Starks would replace Soliai at NT, and Odrick replaces Starks at 3-4 DE.

In the 3-4 D, the DE's arent drafted to be sackmasters. Its the job of the olb's to get the sacks. Now that we've switched to 4-3, the DE's jobs are to become sackmasters. Odrick's now playing completely out of position.

This is why Armando mentioned dangling him as tradebait. I agree on trading for a bottom 1st to 2nd rd pick. I dont agree with accepting a 3rd rd pick for him.

I could see players/FO reading the column. I doubt (and hope) they don't read the blog. In all honestly there are probably about 10 people that post things actually talking about football (minus a random here n there). Other than that it is just trolling and nonsense comments to get responses out of people.

Don't post the WHOLE page....cause that woudn't FITyou're BOGUS argument right....or is it MORE LIKELY that you coudn't COMPREHEND after the first line....yeah...that is most likely it....

any way...CHECK AND MATE.....again....
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verb (used with object)

5. to provide with or introduce by a preface.

6. to serve as a preface to.

If we could get a 3rd for Odrick...TAKE IT!!

Wow. You are a staggeringly bizarre individual.

And sorry to burst your bubble, but you come across more as a thoroughly forgettable loon than someone to respond seriously to.

But if I ever DO make that choice, I'm sure you'll be here. Not much else going on, is there?

Ciao.

Thanks for the update Ron. Didn't say I thought you were wrong, i was jsut trying to learn something. Appreciate the clarification. I know the govt puts special clauses in there for all kinds of crazy thigns. Special rules for clergy, artisits, etc.

Whats that me...something like 50-0 against you and all your names.....

If you know what good for you....you will quit....

but your probably to DUMB to know when to be embarrassed....

so now you can make up MORE names...

Me...i'm gonna go enjoy my life....works over....

Have a great weekend fellas....

It would be pretty interesting if Jeff Ireland ever came on here to post (under a different name of course). Maybe he's already here and we don't know it. Hmmmm......

Sean Smith update?

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