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Former GM Polian agrees with fake GM Salguero (sometimes)

OK, so I'm not really an NFL general manager and have never even played one on TV. I have seen my share of Dolphins general manager moves that I agreed with and disagreed with and, I must say, I've been right about as often as they have.

(Actually more so, but don't want to brag. Fact is if I'd been Miami's GM Drew Brees would have been the QB and not Daunte Culpepper, Anquan Boldin would have been on the team and not Brandon Marshall, Hakeem Nicks would have been on the team and not Vontae Davis, Vince Wilfork would have been on the team and not Vernon Carey, Jimmy Graham would be on the team instead of John Jerry, and Chad Henne would have been replaced in 2011 instead of 2012 because I knew after 2010 he didn't have it. I also never would have cut Shelton Quarles, never would have signed Jake Grove and never would have traded up for Daniel Thomas because I thought DeMarco Murray was better. I also would have traded away two first-round picks and a second for Robert Griffin III instead of drafting Ryan Tannehill. Oh, I've also had misses. I would have picked Brady Quinn instead of Ted Ginn Jr. and I would have traded for Kyle Orton.)

Having said all that, I don't really know anything because I only go by what I see with my own eyes on TV or in practice. I do not study tape because, well, nobody's ever asked me to.

But I admit it felt good recently when I read former six-time NFL executive of the year Bill Polian, the architect of Super Bowl teams in Buffalo, Carolina and Indianapolis, run down his grades for some members of the coming free agent class on ESPN.com.

Polian apparently prepares for free agency by categorizing UFAs by grade. A is for starting caliber players worthy of big starter money. B is for guys he'd sign but only if the contract makes sense for the team. C is for players he'd sign for low salary and short terms with low bonuses.

And immediately apprentice Salguero would have a philosophical disagreement with Master GM Polian. Apprentice GM Salguero believes free agency is dangerous enough without roaming into the weeds signing C players. I don't give bonuses to C players. Veterans with a couple of years left in the tank can sign for minimum in Miami because there are no state taxes and the weather is great (after September) and the coaching staff is professional and and we have a chance to make the playoffs because the Jets and Bills stink and that should be four wins right there.

Otherwise, I'm putting young guys on the team and asking the coaches to do their jobs, which is to develop them.

Apprentice GM Salguero uses free agency to make bounding leaps that help the team significantly, tangibly. Apprentice GM Salguero uses free agency sparingly but sparklingly. In other words, I'm not going to use the resource unless the resource sets off a nuclear blast in my division or fills a great need with a star player that the draft will not immediately provide.

Apprentice GM Salguero also believes free agency is for keeping your own best players because you know them better than anyone but also for reshuffling the deck so to speak so I do not sign my own mediocre players just because I'm comfortable with them. Free agency is for getting signficantly better, not keeping the status quo.

I believe when you re-sign one of your own mediocre guys, you are losing value because he is likely to continue performing at the same mediocre level he has been except he's now doing it for a higher salary. Nope, I don't play that with guys that are merely mediocre because I don't want to pay more for continuing to be 7-9. I'll pay more for better player. But paying more for the same caliber of play is losing ground. Am I making myself understood?

(GM Salguero could've been a writer).

To wit:

Master GM Polian graded several players we all have an interest in discussing. I'm going to tell you what he said and remind you how I feel about those players. Then you'll see where we agree and disagree.

The master GM grades Pittsburgh receiver Mike Wallace with an A.

"Wallace is a good route runner, has good instincts and typically has good hands, but he's small and you worry about injury," Polian said. "Inconsistency in the past also is a concern. Pittsburgh didn't reach a deal with him, which will make some teams wary, but this league is always looking for WRs with speed who can take the top off a defense -- and he can do that." Wallcegoes

The apprentice GM agrees with the Mike Wallace grade. He is an A. Indeed, I see him as an A-plus. If you've spent five seconds on this blog, you know this is the one free agent I would sign were I running the Dolphins.

Am I worried about Wallace's size? No, as he doesn't miss many games. Am I worried that Pittsburgh not signing him is a red flag? No, I'm celebrating their inability to sign an excellent playmaker. Look, I need a player that can take the top off the defense, give my offense big-play ability, and add speed to the roster. Wallace does those things. He'd be my No. 1 target in free agency. Period.

Next, master GM Polian tackles Jake Long and gives him an A grade.

"His reputation will make him an A player," Polian writes, "but he is an injury and age concern to me.  He is turning only 28 to start next season, but he already has played 74 games, making a long-term deal a risk. He's missed time the past two seasons as well. Someone will pay him, though."

Well, apprentice GM Salguero disagrees. With respect, of course.

I don't pay for reputation. I don't pay a player for what he was two or three years ago. I don't pay for Pro Bowls earned on name recognition. I pay for what I saw recently and what I'm projecting I'll see going forward. And I don't like what I'm seeing going forward for Jake Long. Yes, he's great to have on the team. Yes, he's a hard worker. Yes, he's good and fills a key position when he's healthy. But he's breaking down. He's played worse, not better the past two years. And in those last two years, he's been on injured reserve in December.

Apprentice Salguero's team will be making a playoff push in December and going to the postseason in January. Players with an A-grade are healthy and helping at that point, not watching from the injured reserve list. Remember, durability is a critical factor when judging players. And on that factor, Long is failing. Jake Long is a B player for me. If he wants to stay with Miami, he can be about team and town and play for $6-$8 million a year with no more than four years on the deal. I'd rather sign him for three years but you have to give up something to get something. If he's in it for the idea that "someone will pay him," as master Polian says, then go get paid elsewhere, bro. We want players that want to win and prove something, not those that are driven by getting paid. We paid you more than you really deserved in your last contract, based on what you delivered the final two years of the deal. Now it's time you help us out.

Otherwise, I'll move Jonathan Martin to left tackle and draft a right tackle in the second round and we'll have two young starters for one-quarter of the price it would require to pay Long. That will also free more money to spend on players that matter more -- playmakers.

Master GM Polian says Randy Starks is an A player.

"He's older, but he could be effective as an inside, space-eating 3-4 or power 4-3 kind of tackle," the master writes. "He had a very good year with Miami. This type of player is hard to find, so I imagine he'll have a market."

Apprentice Salguero agrees. Apprentice Salguero wants badly to keep Starks. He wants $8 million per year? How about $7.5 mill, Randy? Come on, buddy, you love South Florida. You don't pay state taxes. That big truck you drive is too beautiful to get all muddy and salty in the snow and sleet. Plus, we're going places as a team. You're agent played for the Dolphins. You're comfortable here. And did I mention no state income tax?

(Don't mock. New York for example has an 8.97% state income tax for folks in Starks' bracket. On $1 million, that's $89,700. If Starks is making $8 million per year, that's $717,600 more in his pocket every year if he stays in Florida. Over a four-year deal, that's $2.87 million more in his bank account that won't be there if he's playing for the Jets or Giants. In Ohio the upper rate is 5.97%, Illinois 5%, North Carolina 7.75%, Georgia, where former Dolphins DC Mike Nolan might like Starks, it's 6%. Louisiana, where the Saints defense needs upgrading, it's also 6%.)

Master GM Polian believes Ed Reed is an A player. Reed, you may recall, was tied to the Dolphins by some CBS report that speculated Miami would be interested. I don't believe that will be the case but maybe Jeff Ireland is desperate. Edreedhappy

Apprentice Salguero does not grade Ed Reed an A player. He's going to be 36 years old in September. He's going to return to Baltimore. He's coming off a Super Bowl championship so he's accomplished his biggest career goal other than going to the Hall of Fame.

I pay players with their goals ahead of them and who are 26 not 36. If New England wants him, go for it. The Dolphins are not at the same stage of development as the Pats. It would be a pleasure to make him guess wrong a couple of times and have Mike Wallace go over the top of him. Nothing against Reed. I love the guy. He's a U guy. I'm a U guy. But I'm more a W guy. That's more important to me.

I'd rather have Glover Quin for one-quarter the price. He's a tight end lockdown machine. He makes plays. He's also an upgrade over Chris Clemons.

Moving on.

Master GM Polian grades Reggie Bush. He gives the Dolphins leading rusher of the past two years a B grade.

"He's a name, but at this stage in his career, he's a third-down guy," Polian writes.

Apprentice Salguero agrees. My starter next year is Lamar Miller who is 218 pounds compared to 202 for Bush and who runs a 4.39 compared to a 4.49 for Bush. So I'm going bigger, stronger, faster, cheaper. Less experienced? Yes, but that will be forgotten by November.

By the way, if Bush wants to remain with the Dolphins,I'm thrilled. He gets a two-year deal worth about $3 million total. And the deal comes with the understanding that he is the third-down back and no longer the starter. Why?

Because I want my starting RB to average more than 60 yards per game rushing. And I think Miller can do that. If the Lions, or Jets or Giants think Bush can do better than that and pay him bigtime, then God bless, Reggie. Loved having you.

What about Packers WR Greg Jennings? Well, master Polian grades him a B player.

"Jennings will be a big name, but this is the classic question mark: How much do you pay a guy who will turn 30 at the start of the 2013 season and is coming off of two injury-plagued seasons?"

Apprentice Salguero is troubled here.

So Long is an A player despite being injured the past two seasons, but Jennings is a B player because he's been injured the past two seasons? I get that Long is two years younger. Master Polian should understand that Jennings doesn't crash into a 300-pound defensive end or chase speedy 3-4 LBs every play like Long does.

Anyway, I don't necessarily want Jennings but may have to chase Jenning depending on how well I do with Wallace. If I land Wallace, I don't really need Jennings -- particularly not for the $7-$8 million per year he thinks he's worth.

If I land Wallace, I speak to Jennings and see if he'll come to Miami for $5-$6 million per year. He does that, I sign him. He gets a better offer elsewhere, I re-sign Brian Hartline. They both get a better offer elsewhere, I think about adding Martellus Bennett as my tight end -- someone who will be thrilled to get $4-$5 million per year, I suspect. (This one would require GM Salguero to stare into Bennett's soul for an entire day to see what's in there because I have worries about this guy's makeup.) Master Polian rates Bennett an A player.

And failing all that, I keep searching and get ready to draft somebody and maybe two somebodies. I'm also drafting a tight end because Michael Egnew ain't it, brother.

Oh, on the topic of TEs, master GM Polian grades Anthony Fasano a B player.

"Receiving and speed aren't his strong suits, but he can block. As a solid, all-around guy, he'll get the job done,' the master writes.

To which apprentice Salguero says, "meh."

I'd sign him. I wouldn't pay him, if you get the drift. I make sure I go into 2013 with Fasano either off the team or as my backup tight end. If he's my starter again, I suck because I didn't upgrade the position. If he's Jeff Ireland's starter again, then Ireland really sucks because he didn't upgrade the position for the fifth consecutive year. (Nothing personal, Jeff, but good God man open your eyes to the importance of seam-stretching, redzone-playmaking TEs!)

Did you notice a couple of prominent Dolphins free agents -- Chirs Clemons, Sean Smith -- are not on the list of Polian's A, B or C players? So did I. There's a reason.

[BLOG NOTE: Check back later for a post about Miami cornerback Sean Smith. You must not miss it.]

 

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Some Bad Blood here.

Von Miller 18.5 sacks, 6 FF, OLB, 4-3 defense

Maybe you should teach John Fox something. After all he coached in a Super Bowl and you watch them on your 13 inch black and white TV in your trailer.

haha, Lardo Retardo thinks he's the next Bill Arnsparger.

Yesterdays Gown,

Did you get a new kittycat and name it Princess? Oh, she must be so precious!

Not relly Oscar, YG just suffers from the long term effects of post concussion syndrome. As you even said earlier, probably a sociopath, definitely has a criminal record as a result of some petty theft. Lives in a trailer. The bottom rung of society really.

Oh yeah, Lardo Retardo 4 Ever, one more thing, LOL!!!

Ghetto trash.

Armando all I have to say is that your writing is very much appreciated. You bring the facts and make reading a pleasure. Not many people have such talent. Thank you for that!

Hell, you just throw your opinion down, here. You might look like a Fool sometimes, but if you want to, you will learn things. I know I have learned a lot of things, here.

I've learned that most of the posters here are totally clueless 99% of the time.

Sure this blog is all opinion. But that guy backs up his opinion with such stupidity and flat out factual mistakes.

Von Miller playes DE in a 4-3 - wrong

Alec Ogletree has doubtful cover skills - when it's what he is known for

and he curses people all the time doing it. I have no time for it.

In addition he made the mistake of making off colour jokes about such topics that should be off limits (mother, nationality, etc). I have no time for the guy.

useless trash.

Retardomongul @ Marcia In Toronto,

Its confirmed, Fox plays the 4-3 defense too. So did do we. Miller disappeared as a pass rusher against the Raven in this years playoffs, didnt he?

However, from looking at the Broncos defensive depth chart, either Fox blitzed Miller a lot or he used the "hybrid" 3-4 defense in passing situation. Because they do list a "NT" on the depth chart, but only 3 starting lb's.

Meaning exclusively their a 3-4 defense, that ruins a hybrid 4-3 possibly on sure passing downs. Educvate yourself idiot.

Retardomongul @ Marcia In Toronto,

Saying I wouldnt screw your mother because last time she got pregnant she had you, is tasteless? That isnt tasteless, thats a fact idiot! LOL...

Internet tough guy...

Only thing hybrid here is you. Part donkey, part idiot, all ghetto trash. People like you aren't even fit to clean my toilets.

Now you pull this hybrid defense out of thin air. hello moron, every team's depth chart has a 4-3 or 3-4 and an alternate formation on ESPN.

piece of dumb shite.

Any other things you'd like to pull out of your rotting putrid azzz today?

I gotta say, (and maybe I shouldn't), it IS funny when you two guys go off on each other. I actually think it's a show that could play well on the road (ie. there's money to be on it. If Charlie Sheen could make money take his schtick on the road, you two could also)

We're all just a bunch of really passionate fans and f8ck are very frustrated. Hopefully better days are ahead. In the meantime, have at it...LOL.

By the way, for what it's worth, Von Miller is ONE Hell of a player. He could play on my team any time.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | February 08, 2013 at 04:56 PM

Still I would never screw that 2 legged donkey that you call mother. LOL...

Mark,

Lots of snow there? I'm getting hard here. Doesn't look like it's going to be a very productive weekend. Damn I miss football.

Crig M is getting hard blogging with Mark? Figures!!

Mother comments are truly the tool ignorance.

And Lardo Retardo, you are the king of ignorance. A real loser in life. You ever do anything in life that remotely resembles an accomplishment? I don't mean your semi annual laundry day.

Go kill yourself you puke. I hope you die a painful death but considering your age and living conditions and your background the clock is ticking on you as we speak. You will most surely die blogging. how sad, that's your legacy, showing all here how truly stupid and ignorant you are.

On your tombstone it shall read,

Even fools are thought wise when they keep silent; with their mouths shut, they seem intelligent

Proverbs 17:28

It's a shame this moron couldn't follow that Proverb.

here lies Lardo Retardo 4 Ever, a fool of the highest level.

And when that day comes soon that you die, I hope someone notifies the bloggers where you lie (not that I know who would that be because you surely weren't ever able to develop a relationship with a woman to have a family and any other relative you have surely denies your association - maybe you can teach your cat to type???) so I can take a big heapin dump where you lie you breathing heap of shite

Everyone has their likes and dislikes, but for the life of me I can't figure how anyone would think Von Miller is anything but a franchise stud LB.
The Broncos play a Base 4-3, and Dumervil is their DE, not Miller, who is an LB. Maybe confusing the names?
Anyway, me personally, I'd trade any player on the Dolphins roster for Miller. Any day.
Dude is rare.

Looks like Lardo Retardo is channeling one of his lone friends on this planet. YG, going to have a conversation with "Canadien Bacon" liek you were with one of your other "friends" the other day?

Loser.

Yeah Craig, lots of snow and I'm just about to tap out for the week. It's time to just relax - hope the gf doesn't drive you nuts, haha

Lardo, go back to your 876th consecutive hour of blogging you cumdumpster

JS, lardo is a moron, have more strength than me and ignore him. he will die soon.

Which, by the way is the same reason I want J Jones. Absolutely a rare talent, and a future stud LB.

The reason I'm even mentioning him is that report YG posted, and which I posted a few days earlier. He may drop for medical reasons, and maybe other reasons. Warren Sapp dropped on draft day too. Ooops.

But Jones has been dominat ever snce his recoevry and return, with no significant injuries. I'd rather have a shooting star than a lingering healthy blob of mediocrity.

Choose who you want in your GM fantasies, but in mine, I'm choosing Jones.

Mark,
He's been civil to me today. So, as long as it remains, ...happy to chat.
But I hear ya.

It is so easy to write about players when all you are looking at is after the fact. If you had to make the disioions from the get go you make errors to. Stick to the newspaper the dolphins would be broke if you we're in charge.

go finsssssssss

Oh look, it's dusty "my posts are worthless" bottoms.

By the way, I'm an idiot and I like little boys and midgets.

Would Fins make Boldin an offer?

I still believe Kellen Winslow (has had a year to heal) and Revis need to be looked at.

Mr. Salguero.

Beautiful Post!!

Me And You Disagree On A lot Of Things!! But WOW!! Great Job!!

On The Post!

GM Salguero You Just Proved My Point!! Polian Is Old And Senile!! A Has Been!!

cant get revis, jets arent dealing him in div. boldin not right fit for us.winslow sucks

ALoco my pal, do you still have electric? How is your igloo?

Fins need to find a dual-threat QB in this draft for back up.

You can't blame Ireland or Parcells much for picking
Pat White. He had great stats in college and was the Senior Bowl MVP.

They would have been considered geniuses if he played like Russell Wilson (or any of the new dual threat QBs). Buy then again, he had the genius Henning at OC and Lee at QB coach who changed his mechanics (which were OK in college for abouy 63% completion percentage) behind him. Now both gone.

I still believe he should have been given another year. He's training for another chance at the NFL. We'll see if anyone gives him a tryout.

Boldin doesnt want to play for the hapless Fins unless he's paid triple anywhere else. Flacco to Tannehill? Lets stop kidding ourselves. He'll be more miserable then Marshall was with Henne.

Thats a problem. Its a catch 22. With an unknown HC, disliked GM, and poor playoff prospects, most FA's can find better situations. So we have to overpay or just take the ones no one else wants. And the second option produces little.

So, what's with the SS story? Rumors around that he is a goner.

Ireland says the goal is to add more firepower and score more points.

I guess this means he's bringing in two new olinemen and a new fg kicker.

Sup all you blogville types.

Glad to see Armando working his own blog here early...gratz Mando. No type n' drop drive by this time I see. Always cool to see you slumming it up with us common folk.

I am pretty much in agreement with most all you have said Mando. Of course we all have our tweeks and pet players. Much will and shall change even though no games will be played till after draft time.

Like mando say's I am ALL FOR getting a player that has ALREADY shown to be BLAZING fast, IN PADS, IN THE NFL! It is hard to have noticeable speed when running near other NFL players and Mike Wallace is that fast.

I know the chirps will come out about it's not ALL about speed and I get that argument. But if you can get a player that severely stretches the field..why not? Tannehill is still at a stage where he pulls the trigger better when there is separation. Wallace can accelerate past nearly anyone in the NFL in a footrace. He has Chris Johnson type speed. Like Carl "I race horses" Lewis type fast!

Tannehill OVERTHREW Fins receivers at least 10 times this past year. Some ended up being only a by a few inches or a foot or two. Wallace can be under those throws.

Wallace's numbers are solid as heck and if Philbin is copying GB's path they don't don't use a #1 go to 100-120 catch guy. Spread the ball around, create space with play design, hit the open guy stuff. Wallace can be a #1 guy in this type of offense.

Cheers,

I do not think Mike Wallace is the answer, Look, he's not been good enough or consistant enough for Pittsburg to keep him for what he will cost and Pittsburg does like to throw the ball down the field. Way too much money and commitment for a small speedster that cant't really create seperation or cath the ball. Lets start with a good TE give T Hill some other options. Devolop recieving corp with young QB.

As all of you have seen, Craig M cntinues to be a dork & bash anyone who disagrees with him.

Even the blog autor has exposed him here for what he is. An arrogant & egotistical blabbermouth.

When faced with the decision to address him, JUST SAY NAY!

Free agency- 1. sign 1 very good WR 2.sign 1 seam threat TE 3. Resign Hartline and it should be a fair as he only has had one decent season. 4. Resign Long, Bush, Starks, but only at the right prices. Starks is going to cash in- he's as good as gone. Odrick can be moved inside and Vernon can start at DE. Problem solved. Long is not going to get 12-15 million on the open market. If I m Ireland, I dont pay him more than 8 million. Move Martin to LT and possibly sign or draft a RT. RT are never considered premium and can be had reasonably. Problem solved. Lamar Miller will step in for Reggie Bush. Where does Reggie think he is going anyway? Problem solved.

Draft- 1. Secondary- both S and CB 2. DE pass rush specialist(s) 3. QB- one to groom if Philbin doesnt see the potential in Devlin 4.LB- we are in desperate need of depth.

I think we have to keep Burnett and Dansby on this roster though they are overpaid bc there is no depth. Next year, their contracts will be re-negociated or they will be cut.

Mando,I am in complete agreement with your grades--kudos!BTW,did you see the piece regarding free agents to be wary of,which aired on NFL Live Wednesday?Of the top ten to avoid three were Fins:Bush,Long,and Smith.

After Ireland screws up this off season we can join our fellow finatics with the "Fireland" campaign with our own "HIREMANDO". You are the bomb man!!!!!!

We keep saying "adios" to all the players who will command some sort of pay raise - so what now, Fins are turning into the Marlins??? If you want to win, you have to spend money, plain and simple!

"(Nothing personal, Jeff, but good God man open your eyes to the importance of seam-stretching, redzone-playmaking TEs!)"

Ireland recognizes the importance Armando, that's why he drafted Clay and Egnew. Unfortunately, both appear to be busts as this point.

Mando bringing his A game with this post. Good read.

Put another way: I'll take Wallace and give you anyone you want in the draft. Let's see who puts up bigger numbers the next two or three years. I love my chances.

Posted by: Armando Salguero | February 08, 2013 at 11:49 AM
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Well, if the drafted guy ends up with the Pats, 49'ers, Ravens, Colts, Seahawks, etc, and Wallace comes to the Fins (Tannehill) I'd prolly put my money on the rookie.

PERCY HARVIN and the Vikes not seeing eye to eye....we should go after this guy, I'm sure he'd love to return to FL!

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Has anyone considered a possible problem with trying to sign Mike Wallace - he wears #17, and so does our QB. OMG, will Wallace pay Tanny for his number? Will Tanny give it up? Tune in later for details on "As the Dolphin Turns!"

It would be a pleasure to make him guess wrong a couple of times and have Mike Wallace go over the top of him. Nothing against Reed. I love the guy. He's a U guy. I'm a U guy. But I'm more a W guy. That's more important to me.
lol, classic

I was wondering why you called yourself a fake GM. I think you are a liar! You would not trade 2 first round picks for Griffin before the draft.
You are a bandwagon hopper.
Prove to me where you said you would have done it before the draft and I would lobby for you to get a real GM job in the NFL.

Until then I think you are FOS. 99% of the folks out there thought Shanahan was crazy for trading all those picks for RG3, me included and as well as you.

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